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Kyroki Tirpellan
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Posted - 2005.01.19 23:23:00 -
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I recently purchased a Hawk class assault frigate. Not as good as the Harpy, that's propably true (though I haven't tried the Harpy yet) but that's not the point. I'm usually not the one to ask for fitting suggestions, but I'm not sure with this one and as there's currently no thread about them I decided to make one.
Current fitting:
3x 150mm Railgun II
1x Rocket Launcher + defenders
1x Medium Shield Booster II [gives 108 hp every 3 seconds]
2x Shield Hardeners
1x Named Cap Recharger
1x Power Diagnostics System
1x Overdrive Injector
Power: 52/52.5 MW
CPU 215.7/225 tf
As you can see I had severe problems with both power and CPU, hence the ODI. Any suggestions on how I can improve that setup? (It's for pvp in a group btw)
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2005.01.19 23:47:00 -
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sounds about right. only thing i'd suggest is to use another PDU instead of the OD. but since you know about PDUs, i guess youve considered this. i just like them, not for the powergrid, but for the cap and shields.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2005.01.20 00:03:00 -
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Either use named shield hardeners, a named tech 1 med shield booster, and use 2 power diags. Or drop for 3 125mm 2's and 2 pdus
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Posted - 2005.01.20 02:55:00 -
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Scrap it and get a harpy, sod the shield boost bonus, go for damage.
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Mallik Hendrake
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Posted - 2005.01.20 03:38:00 -
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The hawk hits like a girl. Take off the kid gloves and get a real ship.
3 x 150s will continually fail to do your job - it won't kill other frigates because it tracks almost as badly as a medium gun. If they're moving with high transversal you just won't hit. If you get really good launchers and launcher 5/missiles 5, 2 launchers and 2 125mm rails will probably churn out way more dot than you have (given your 25% rof bonus).
Still, the Hawk just does not have enough defensive Umph to make up for its absolutely crap damage compared to any other assault frig. My advise is to sell your Hawk, get a Harpy - play the Harpy for a few weeks and then come to grips with the fact that Caldari assault frigates are a sack of crap for anything except NPCing (and even there they play second fiddle to the Enyo or the Retribution). For the sake of reference I'm pretending the Minmatar frigs don't exist, though at least they can shield tank without active hardeners :P
I got my Retribution today and I am never, ever touching my Harpies again. Maybe I'll train for an enyo though :)
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.01.20 06:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Mallik Hendrake
The hawk hits like a girl. Take off the kid gloves and get a real ship.
3 x 150s will continually fail to do your job - it won't kill other frigates because it tracks almost as badly as a medium gun. If they're moving with high transversal you just won't hit. If you get really good launchers and launcher 5/missiles 5, 2 launchers and 2 125mm rails will probably churn out way more dot than you have (given your 25% rof bonus).
Still, the Hawk just does not have enough defensive Umph to make up for its absolutely crap damage compared to any other assault frig. My advise is to sell your Hawk, get a Harpy - play the Harpy for a few weeks and then come to grips with the fact that Caldari assault frigates are a sack of crap for anything except NPCing (and even there they play second fiddle to the Enyo or the Retribution). For the sake of reference I'm pretending the Minmatar frigs don't exist, though at least they can shield tank without active hardeners :P
I got my Retribution today and I am never, ever touching my Harpies again. Maybe I'll train for an enyo though :)
You must be joking, Harpy is just as good as an Enyo and probably better since it has more CPU and medslots for general pvp outfits, and can take alot more damage per second as with all shield boosting setups. And thats not even with a medium booster, which it can fit. And I personally enjoy hitting at 20km with antimatter. 
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.01.20 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 20/01/2005 08:46:52
I'm in my Hawk right now in fact, doing missions while I ***** the forums.  It's a damned defensive little Assault Ship, which IMO is a good thing. I can't afford to lose Assault Ships regularly, and I'm glad I chose one that is a bit more hardy than the other option, the Harpy. It isn't as big of a damage dealer as some of the other ships, but I could really care less. It performs great versus interceptors, frigates, and destroyers, and thats all I need. Here's my current setup.
High:
2x 'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher
2x named 150mm Rails (soon to be Tech 2)
Mid:
1 Medium CL-5 Shield Booster (Or a Medium T2 if you have an AB fitted)
1 'Anointed' I EM Ward Reinforcement activated shield hardner
1 1mn AB T2 or 1mn MWD (depends on whether I'm doing deadspace)
1 named Cap Recharger I
Low:
2x PDU
Naturally, this is a NPCing setup, and has room for improvement. I'm currently tight for PG on this setup, or I'd have everything I could Tech 2. I might yank a PDU for a MAPC in the future so I can fit all the Tech 2 stuff.
EDIT- Lastly, I'd also like to point out the price difference between the Hawk and the Harpy. The Hawk goes for around 14 million, the Harpy goes for around 21 million. Thats a 50% price difference. For a ship that pays out jack crap for insurance, thats important. Also, with the Harpy, that 21 million ISK frigate goes down easier than the 14 million ISK Hawk. So if you're on any sort of budget, the Hawk is a massively better deal. And it looks cooler than the Harpy.
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Jagaroth
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Posted - 2005.01.20 08:38:00 -
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I spent quite some time deciding which to get. Given my lack of funds in the end I couldn't justify the extra 11m isk for a Harpy. And besides, the Hawk has a much cooler colour scheme...
Also, I think the point with the Hawk is that it is not there to do masses of damage; it is there to support a fleet and survive the battle. That means you need to work on the assumption that one of your medium slots will have a webber/scrambler.
However, I haven't got much further than that as my agent keeps giving me unfair mission scenarios every time I take a new setup out for testing...
*note to self: save up for insurance...
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.01.20 14:45:00 -
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I'm going for a Hawk too, for PvP only (to make cash in missions, there are much better options unless you are frigateer at heart).
I'm thinking about this, would it do the job to kill interceptors ?
2 x light missile
2 x 125 mm
1 x Webber
1 x Scrambler
1 x EM hardener (everybody and his mother does EM damage nowadays)
1 x speed boost (probably AB but the tanking abilities allows for MWD if not against cruisers)
1 x damage mod
1 x tracking enhancer
I omited on purpose to throw named or tech II stuff in here since when you can fly that you obviously have the cash for good mods, and naming them is only bragging 
So, who has the experience hunting interceptors in assault frigates ?
Would that kind of setup kill one before it can flee ?
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Axle skye
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Posted - 2005.01.20 15:04:00 -
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I know you were looking for pvp setups, but never tried it in PVP. I find the Hawk to work quite well for PVE, esp. gurrista or serps. and there arn't any real good setup threads for it.
A couple of setups.
"basic"
2 150mm rails
2 sm launchers
2 passive hardeners (therm/kin for gurristas or Serps.)
1 t2 Sm shield booster
1 Tracking Computer
1 t2 mag stab.
1 t2 Tracking enhancer
- alternate set-ups
Passive shield tank (yep, thats right and it works)
2 rocket launchers
2 125mm rails
2 t2 shield extenders (1100+ shield pts)
1 M51 shield recharger
1 passive hardener
2 type D shield power relays.
Shield recharge rate 231 sec (need more skills to get it lower) .
Close range.(haven't used this in a while)
2 rocket launchers
2 ion/nuetron blasters or 125 mm rails.
1 Sm shield booster
2 hardeners
1 web.
2 ballistic mods.
it can spew rockets at about 2sec ROF.
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2005.01.20 15:51:00 -
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use a web on hawk. if u don't have web any ceptor will kill u, since 150mm rails won't hit him if he's close enough.
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Anjerrai Meloanis
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Posted - 2005.01.20 22:25:00 -
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get a small gistii shield booster, its worth the isk to tank an interceptor all day 1on1 heh...
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Jagaroth
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Posted - 2005.01.21 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jagaroth on 14/02/2005 22:20:46
Get decent named rocket launchers for that last setup and you should be shooting 1 rocket per second... and can switch to defenders.
My current setup is:
HIGH
2x named rockets
1 named light blaster
1 named small Nos or a second blaster
MEDIUM
1 small shield booster t2
1 Annointed ward (EM hardner)
1 EM amplifier (passive)
1 AB (mainly for travel) or 1 named webber
SMALL
1 PDU
1 Cap flux coil
I need to test the 4th high slot as I was having trouble keeping my cap up running the hardner, even with the flux coil. 
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.01.21 23:14:00 -
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Rockets are actually really good DoT, but I don't think I'd use em for PVP. Simply because you have to be at less than 10 km to use them which puts you in webbing range. Being webbed while in a frigate, even an Assault Ship, is never fun.
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Cowboy
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Posted - 2005.01.22 04:40:00 -
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Hawks and Harpys hmmmm. I fly both. I'll tell you this the hawk is underrated. Yes it does lack the punch and range of the Harpy, although I have killed both Harpys and Enyos while flyin in a Hawk. So the HAwk is not to be underestamated.
The only thing I would not put on a Hawk. 150mm rails, but then again thats just me
Buttom line with AFs. It boils down to pilot experience, skills and fighting style.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.01.22 04:52:00 -
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Reading some replies, I wonder if a scrambler is really needed on a Hawk ?
With only a webber, won't the opponent escape too easily ?
Against cruisers, the scrambler is not an option, but I don't see many cruisers in Pure Blind and Deklein, it's elite frigates, BSs and industrials with rarely a HAC.
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Gard Coran
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Posted - 2005.03.11 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cowboy
Hawks and Harpys hmmmm. I fly both. I'll tell you this the hawk is underrated. Yes it does lack the punch and range of the Harpy, although I have killed both Harpys and Enyos while flyin in a Hawk. So the HAwk is not to be underestamated.
I agree with Cowboy. The Hawk is not a Harpy but it's not supposed to be. It can be made to fly very effectively and tanks pretty well. Set up properly, it's a sweet little AF. Don't use 150mm rails because they track very poorly.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.03.11 04:26:00 -
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Oh! a resurrected thread 
I recently had some tests with corpmates both in a Harpy and Hawk.
In a Harpy, I didn't last long against Enyo, Wolff or Jaguar. I didn't even bother fighting against Amarr assault frigates, for obvious reasons: 0% resistance on shields is really painfull.
Then, I gave my Hawk a chance and won all fights I had lost in my Harpy for two reasons:
1¦ With 2 launchers, I could hit for the best damage type.
2¦ I can fit a Hawk with a medium shield booster II and still have a magnetic stabiliezr II and tracking enhancer II in lows.
Of course, a Harpy with a Gistii shield booster is incredibly resistant, but I don't see me flying a 70Mio frigate, especially the way I fight, which is not always reasonable according to my corpmates
Unfortunately, dog fights are very rare in Eve, and the Hawk lags behind the Harpy in most situations since missiles rarely hit, while 4 guns on a Harpy hit instantly and do more damage than light missiles.
So I find myself flying a Harpy most of the time, while the Hawk looks much nicer
Anyways, I'm not very fond on Caldari assault frigates, since they are incredibly sluggish and EM damage is overused at the moment (and shield tanking is not as good as armor tanking, excepted on a Wolf).
It is reasonable to expect light missiles go faster in a near future so they can catch fast frigates, and the Hawk would be worth flying in frigate squads as well as solo.
For fleet flights, we will have to see if the missile overhaul nerfs cruises/torpedoes against frigates or not, otherwise they will remain expensive toys...
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Marcus Alkhaar
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Posted - 2005.03.21 13:47:00 -
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Hawk PvE setup:
HI:
3x Neutron Blasters II, 1x Arbalest Rocket launcher (defenders or extra damage versus openent)
Mid:
Gistii AB
Gistii Small shield booster
Kin hardener (maybe you should get a Passive because it seems to take a bit of cap...)
X5 Webber (because you need to get in like 1,6 km and keep them were you can shoot them)
Low:
2x Power Diagnostic System (else you wont have enough grid to fit your stuff)
uhm.... Expensive setup? yeah!
3x neutron II (5,4 mil for 3 of them)
1x Arbalest (1,6 mil
Gistii AB (20 mil)
Gistii shield booster (30 mil)
Named Hardener (1,6 mil)
X5 webber (0.4 mil)
2x Power Diagnostic system (8 mil for, 4 mil for each of them)
and not to forget about the hawk (14 mil)
80 milion setup.... but I think it will be a funny setup, you can use it for gatecamping too web them HARD
you can do all lvl 3 missions in it (EM hardener for the drone mission)
lvl 4 missions you can support you friend who is sitting in a Raven
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Azmodaus
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Posted - 2005.06.05 18:33:00 -
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With my setup I go with 3 t2 125mm and 1 standard launcher. I find that with a t2 mag stab and t2 tracking enhancer on low's it does more damage than the seemingly standard 2 gun/2 launcher setup. However it comes at a price, you must settle with a t2 small shield booster on the mid slot.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.06.05 18:56:00 -
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The Hawk is a *missle* fighter, if your going to put 3 guns on it, buy a Harpy instead.
High: 2 x 150mm Railgun II's, 2 Arbalest Standards (Essential)
Mid: Small SB II, AB II, Web, Small Capacitor Booster II (With 75 Charges)
Lows: 2 Ballistic Controls
You can hold 5 charges in the booster and 10 more in the hold, which gives you good staying power. No other frigate, of *any* type, is going to break your tank before you destroy it or force it to flee
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.06.05 20:21:00 -
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Bazman, that's pretty much my exact setup, except I use cap 100 charges and a medium booster
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Moridin
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Posted - 2005.08.12 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 20/01/2005 08:46:52
I'm in my Hawk right now in fact, doing missions while I ***** the forums. It's a damned defensive little Assault Ship, which IMO is a good thing. I can't afford to lose Assault Ships regularly, and I'm glad I chose one that is a bit more hardy than the other option, the Harpy. It isn't as big of a damage dealer as some of the other ships, but I could really care less. It performs great versus interceptors, frigates, and destroyers, and thats all I need. Here's my current setup.
High:
2x 'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher
2x named 150mm Rails (soon to be Tech 2)
Mid:
1 Medium CL-5 Shield Booster (Or a Medium T2 if you have an AB fitted)
1 'Anointed' I EM Ward Reinforcement activated shield hardner
1 1mn AB T2 or 1mn MWD (depends on whether I'm doing deadspace)
1 named Cap Recharger I
Low:
2x PDU
Naturally, this is a NPCing setup, and has room for improvement. I'm currently tight for PG on this setup, or I'd have everything I could Tech 2. I might yank a PDU for a MAPC in the future so I can fit all the Tech 2 stuff.
EDIT- Lastly, I'd also like to point out the price difference between the Hawk and the Harpy. The Hawk goes for around 14 million, the Harpy goes for around 21 million. Thats a 50% price difference. For a ship that pays out jack crap for insurance, thats important. Also, with the Harpy, that 21 million ISK frigate goes down easier than the 14 million ISK Hawk. So if you're on any sort of budget, the Hawk is a massively better deal. And it looks cooler than the Harpy.
post missile patch. add RCU2 for 1 PDU.
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Lord Morkoth
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Posted - 2005.08.12 16:33:00 -
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i bet the hawk would never be able to pull this
off  . I found a commander spawn, warped in long and sniped the frigs so I wouldnt get webbed, killed one of his bs's and went in for the kill
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Epoch
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Posted - 2005.08.13 04:14:00 -
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Quote:
post missile patch. add RCU2 for 1 PDU.
yep, almost all the previous suggested setups wont work now.
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Forsch
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Posted - 2005.09.22 11:40:00 -
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Don't you guys use a scrambler on the hawk in pvp?
While I see that it can tank quite a bunch, the dmg output isn't that much that you can kill another AF before it can start to warp out, at least I would think.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2005.09.22 12:48:00 -
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Old threads ftw
My setup needs a minor change, had to downgrade to T2 125mm's to make it all fit. But the 125's are just backups to the missle pwnage you'll be handing out. Rapid Launch level 4 is also a must, you don't quite get the same rof as you did before patch though, I guess you could if you get Standard Launcher II's.
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Grrl
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Posted - 2005.09.22 14:49:00 -
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here's what I got on my hawk for doing missions.
high
2 150mm/125mm railgun II (I like the 150mm better so far, but both fit)
2 light missile launcher II
medium
1 1mn afterburner II
1 small shield booster II (gistii would be nice)
1 em hardner (named or tech II)
1 named cap recharger
low
2 power diagnostic system II
I don't find the dmg output to be all that bad. and it can tank real well.
powergrid is tight but advanced weapon upgrades lvl3 will make it fit.
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Cutter Slade
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Posted - 2005.10.19 14:13:00 -
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2 x 125mm T2
2 x arb standard
small shield booster T2
20k warp scrambler
active EM hardner
small shield extender (got best named fitted atm dont know if T2 will fit)
2 x PDU T2
Pick your damage with the standards.
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Justin Cody
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Posted - 2005.10.19 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Morkoth
i bet the hawk would never be able to pull this
off . I found a commander spawn, warped in long and sniped the frigs so I wouldnt get webbed, killed one of his bs's and went in for the kill
Sure it could...my statement in the affirmative has as much as yours does in teh negative ;)
I do fly a hawk and its a tough lil bugger...I use blasters tho (light neutron II's+2 rocket launchers)
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.10.19 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 19/10/2005 18:17:11
I couldn't bring myself to read this entire thread, but the fact that peopl euse rails etups on the Hawk, which is suppose to be a missile AF, just shows that something is very, very wrong with it.
For the love of god, give the hawk the same hislots as the harpy, but reversed. 4 launchers and a railgun would make it a very nice ship. I'd say give it a -cpu/grid bonus so it can fit assults like the manticore does cruise missiles, but an af with 4 assault launchers(and a railgun ) would be serious overkill.
I just don't see what the point is in having some uber tanking AF when you barely do more damage than a merlin.
edit: oops, didn't notice the date of the OP.
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Crellion
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Posted - 2005.10.19 22:16:00 -
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1) Signed for the abovee post
2) As matters stand hawk is not bad AFvAF but sux for all other things. Harpy is IMO better than any other AF for dmg dealing in frig fleets. No silly bussines of getting in range etc. In a crazy night in a gang with 2BS 2Raxs and my Harpy (I think) I ended up with 4 final blows (out of the 5 the gang got) 2 scorps and 2 ceptors in the same engagement. Harpy rocks for group - fleet - gate pvp. 1v1 and pve you dont need so much hp tanking but you need it sustained so trully it can run outof juice quickly and many AFs tank thermal and kinetic... so what? (it does pown the wolf though I think... might be wrong). It kills tech 1 frigs (tacklers in fleets sometimes) in 2 volleys (so 2.04 secs from gun activation) I love it.
3) the Hawk I am having trouble rationalising: Perhaps cause I am too noob to be really that interested in 1v1 AF fights -Hawk's main strength (still for that you need the gist SB so you d have to kill 10 AFs or something to get enough loot to justify it).
4) My take on the Hawk sometimes is this:
High: 2x150rails with Lead 2xLimos or better standards (low cap usage all roughly same range 20km)
Med:2x20km disruptors 1xSmall SbII 1x SensBoost II (High cap usage - 2okm range)
Low: 2xpdu (II) or 1xBCU - 1xMFSII
The point is a gate engagement tackler that has a bit higher scan resolution than an inty that has enough cap to run 2x20km scrams and stays alive much more than an inty when frigs are part of what you expect to jump through. It also hits as much as your average inty or a bit more (not intys though for that would change 1 scram for 1web). It is a viable alternative to an inty for "keep em here" tactic as opposed to "go get em tactic".
It is also likely to die if you lose the engagement and likely to get not a lot of glory on the killmails if you win but my inty corp and ally m8s offer so much that once in a while I like to go out with this and repay the favour.A group tool - not for the solo player.
As for the pure tank Hawk set up i know a pilot who was standing still taking fire from my Eagle anti-matter at optimal for close to 3 mins b4 breaking (I dont think he would have gone out at all if i hadnt come within the em lights assault 2x range in the end). Trust me thats a LOT of dmg 1 mill angel BSs die faster.
I still dont know how to use them properly but the above might provide some useful ideas.
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vecdran
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Posted - 2005.10.26 16:13:00 -
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Does anyone have a tried and tested Hawk setup? I'm looking to use one possibly for piratin, so it needs to be a general setup good against all ship types.
I've been debating blasters + rockets and a warp scrambler vs. rails and standard launchers and a warp jammer.
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Eldred Bonecrusher
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Posted - 2005.10.26 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: vecdran
Does anyone have a tried and tested Hawk setup? I'm looking to use one possibly for piratin, so it needs to be a general setup good against all ship types.
I've been debating blasters + rockets and a warp scrambler vs. rails and standard launchers and a warp jammer.
Did you even try reading the thread?
No, you didnt...go read it for an answer.
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vecdran
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Posted - 2005.10.26 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: vecdran on 26/10/2005 17:03:24
Originally by: Eldred Bonecrusher
Originally by: vecdran
Does anyone have a tried and tested Hawk setup? I'm looking to use one possibly for piratin, so it needs to be a general setup good against all ship types.
I've been debating blasters + rockets and a warp scrambler vs. rails and standard launchers and a warp jammer.
Did you even try reading the thread?
No, you didnt...go read it for an answer.
I see a bunch of mission running setups and several people posting hypothetical PvP setups. Oh, and a single AF vs. AF setup, which is not what I am after.
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Icesail
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Posted - 2005.10.26 20:11:00 -
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My Hawk setup, for whats worth it.... (STICKER SHOCK WARNING)
Highs - 3 x 125 T2, 1 Arby Light Missile Launcher
Mids - 1 Giist Small Shield Booster, 1 Eut Cap recharger, 1 amp, 1 Giist AB
Lows - 2 Mags Stabs II
125s track very well, with the Mags II you get a ROF of 2.1 secs on the guns, the missiles rof is 7 secs (put rockets and you get 1.8 secs on them).
If you replace a Mag II for a tracking mod, you should be able to get away with putting T2 150s and still track well enough to hit fast frigates (have not tried that one yet)
With the shield boosting bonus, you get almost 100 shield every 2 secs (pretty hard to break that tank)
This setup works pretty good for NPC (great solo complex runner), since they usualy do not run away :) but it does have some issues when pvp (unless its a tournament).
A Hawk is the perfect partner ship for a Harpy (when npcing). Have the Hawk tank, and have the harpy in gank mode :)
BTW, I totaly love the hawk.
Icesail
Icesail
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vecdran
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Posted - 2005.10.26 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Icesail
Edited by: Icesail on 26/10/2005 20:26:13
My Hawk setup, for whats worth it.... (STICKER SHOCK WARNING)
Highs - 3 x 125 T2, 1 Arby Light Missile Launcher (or Dread rocket launcher)
Mids - 1 Giist Small Shield Booster, 1 amp, 1 Giist AB, 1 Eut Cap recharger (or warp scrambler if you PVP solo, or webber if someone else scrambling)
Lows - 2 Mags Stabs II
If you are soloing pvp you could replace the Eut cap recharger for a warp scrambler (or the other one I can never remember the name). You may need to replace the missiles for rockets if you do that though (cpu issues)
125s track very well, with the Mags II you get a ROF of 2.1 secs on the guns, the missiles rof is 7 secs (put rockets and you get 1.8 secs on them).
If you replace a Mag II for a tracking mod, you may be able to get away with putting T2 150s and still track well enough to hit fast frigates (have not tried that one yet)
With the shield boosting bonus, you get almost 100 shield every 2 secs (pretty hard to break that tank). You can replace the amp for a EM hardner if you need, and still get 57 shield every 2 secs for a cost of 12 cap. If you have crystal implants it will higher.
BTW, I totaly love the hawk.
Side Note. Since you get no damage bonuses for the hybrid guns, try putting some arts or autocannons on the highs (with emp ammo) and Giros II on the lows. Element of suprize is half the battle.
Icesail
Thanks for the ideas.
I won't be putting Gistii gear on my Hawk, I'm going to be using it as a disposable PvP ship. I'll keep my Gistii stuff on my Harpy ;)
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2005.10.27 01:35:00 -
[38]
Originally by: vecdran
Does anyone have a tried and tested Hawk setup? I'm looking to use one possibly for piratin, so it needs to be a general setup good against all ship types.
I've been debating blasters + rockets and a warp scrambler vs. rails and standard launchers and a warp jammer.
For pvp I would say the hawk isn't fast and agile enough to use blasters. It got the highest mass of all assault frigates and considering all AFs have high mass to start that is really bad.
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2005.10.27 02:02:00 -
[39]
One thing to note is that the Hawk got really boosted by the missile changes. The sig factors now applied to missiles have no effect on standard light missiles since they are already on the bottom of the scale. But with the new missile skills, light missiles can shoot off more rapidly, travel much farther, do more damage and fly much faster than ever before.
The proper setup for the Hawk is to make the missiles the main armament. I would just put a pair of 125mm rails for secondary armament, but put a couple of the best launchers you can find. Train up your missile skills.
The medium shield booster will drain you quickly. Get a small shield booster II instead. For missions, I would put a small cold gas afterburner or AB II. Even an assault with an afterburner gets considerable less hits than an assault without one.
Put two power diagnostics in the bottom slots.
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2005.10.27 04:35:00 -
[40]
how bout:
2 t2 125 rails, 1 t2 small nos, 1 t2 small energy neutralizer
1 gistii a type small shield booster, gistii a type afterburner, webber, scrambler,
2 t2 magnetic field stabs or 1 and a t2 PDU
haha i would smoke ya rax with this setup
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2005.10.27 04:36:00 -
[41]
or maybe not ya rax but i would smoke somethin
or maybe its I been smokin something
who the **** knows
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vecdran
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Posted - 2005.10.27 06:30:00 -
[42]
Edited by: vecdran on 27/10/2005 06:29:52
Yeah you'd be smoking something. Weed, because you are using a Gistii sb and ab for PvP.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.10.27 08:22:00 -
[43]
Originally by: vecdran
Edited by: vecdran on 27/10/2005 06:29:52
Yeah you'd be smoking something. Weed, because you are using a Gistii sb and ab for PvP.
On a setup with only 2 125mm IIs for damage I might add.
-Electrofreak
Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula |
000Hunter000
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Posted - 2005.11.03 15:11:00 -
[44]
Hm, looking for a mission setup myself for a hawk, atm i can't be bothered to get me a harpy (+ it's got sentimental value cause it used to be my merlin untill i upgraded it )
What i found sofar is a discussion between fitting 150 or 125mm T2 rails... which is better? atm i got 2 standard arbie launchers and 2x T2 150mm, T2 small Shieldbooster and named EM hardner and a named explosive passive hardner (25%) which can also be switched for any of the other damage types (more EM?)
So this will be purely for missions!!!
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vecdran
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Posted - 2005.11.03 15:54:00 -
[45]
Originally by: 000Hunter000
Hm, looking for a mission setup myself for a hawk, atm i can't be bothered to get me a harpy (+ it's got sentimental value cause it used to be my merlin untill i upgraded it )
What i found sofar is a discussion between fitting 150 or 125mm T2 rails... which is better? atm i got 2 standard arbie launchers and 2x T2 150mm, T2 small Shieldbooster and named EM hardner and a named explosive passive hardner (25%) which can also be switched for any of the other damage types (more EM?)
So this will be purely for missions!!!
150's will cut it ok against lvl 3 missions, but they'll have trouble tracking the really fast drones and webbing frigates, and they're crap in PvP. 125's are easier to fit also.
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Spurgo
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Posted - 2005.11.28 13:30:00 -
[46]
I use this ship for pvp (not alone) and i have this fitting:
2 rocket launcher tec2
2 125 tec2
1 annoy EM ward
1 small shield booster 2
1 ab 120%
1 X5 enervator
2 Pdu tec2
With this fitting i can easily tank any other af or inty and hit at 10 kms in optimal range.
The rof on rockets is amazyn (1.7 sec) so is theyr dmg output, like a DoT.
The 125t2 can track almost anything.
With the new passive shield tankin skill i think this Af will become more and more popular!
Surely if CCP will put 4 launcher on this baby we will have the BEST af for sure! But also 3 launchers will fit well for me :)
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Phoenicia
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Posted - 2005.11.28 15:23:00 -
[47]
Here's something to consider in pvp: With two Signal Amplifier II's in the lows, you have near-inty lockspeed.
Heavy Tackler anyone?
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Juryrig
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Posted - 2005.12.24 09:00:00 -
[48]
Ok, so I'm looking to outfit a Hawk for small PvP Frig gangs, and I have two questions: 1)How essential is an AB? Can you do without it or not? 2)What's better for PvP tanking? An EM hardener,an all-encompassing shield hardener, or a shield boost amplifier? Anyways, here's what I thinking of:
High:
2 named standard missile launchers (I can't use t2 yet)
2 150mm t2 rails
Med:
1 small t2 Shield booster
1 shield hardener
1 AB
1 t2 Multispectral target jammer
Low:
1 PDU
1 Ballistic Control
***(haven't gotten the hawk yet, so I'm not sure this will all fit)
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Bumbe
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Posted - 2006.01.05 20:36:00 -
[49]
what do you think about this outfitt.
high
2 rockets tec II
2 blasters/nos
med
2passiv EM hardner
1gistii small shield booster
1 webb/ab/MWD
low
2 dmg mods/power diagnostic systems
you will have high dmg, very nice tank, and you can kill ceptors(if you have webb)
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J Dubbs
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Posted - 2006.01.05 20:55:00 -
[50]
yeah i used hawks for a while for npc.
high- 3x small Anode nutron blaster + free slot (i know, i know)
mid - clarity ward sb thing, EM ward, cheap web, cheap AB.
low - 2x Mag stabs.
cost me about 16m isk total so its fairly disposable. could kill the 500k BS's easily. even managed to kill a 6m isk shadow serp in it (took like 40mins though)
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2006.01.05 21:10:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Juryrig
snippity
Ab is a waste of a slot if you ask me.
My advice would be to forget about tanking and devote all of your mids to ew. Tanking wont help your gang as much especially when you might not even be targeted.
Actually my advice is to sell your hawk and buy 2 black birds.
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SavageThrash
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Posted - 2006.01.06 04:09:00 -
[52]
Heres my setup
3 light neutron t2 (or 125 mm rails)
1 gisti sb
1 hardner
afterburner
caprecharger
2 t2 pdu
and a launcher if you can fit it
This thing tanks like a beast i just turn my tank on and fly all day with it, i can tank multiple raven with it using the small gisti. Great for npc adn takign out any inty that gets to close with teh blaster. I tanked a wolf all day and he tanked me, both using faction tanks.
Although when comign agaisnt bigger targets you gotta watch out. Espically for nossing ships. Nos = Dead fast.
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TRAW sunspot
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:44:00 -
[53]
hey,
I just have one question, can an assault frig kill a BS in pvp ?
And if so what caldari assault frig would be able and with what setup ?
greets
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TRAW sunspot
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Posted - 2006.03.18 01:13:00 -
[54]
any help please ?
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.03.18 06:18:00 -
[55]
Technically, yes, an AF can kill a BS in PVP.
Realisticly, it's only going to happen if the BS pilot is a newbie, and doesn't have a large nos, droneskills, or frig/cruiser weapons/web to hit you with. If they have any of the above, you're most likely going to lose.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran  |
Ally Poo
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 10:16:00 -
[56]
Ok, maybe i thought i would re-open this since the hawks changed after the new patch, and heres my set up. this works for NPCing and as well a little team PvP. Dont work so well solo.
Highs: 4x 'Malkuth' Standards
Small Nos I
Meds: Medium Shield Booster II
Shield Hardener I
'Langour' Webber
Lows: Reactor Control Unit II
Co-Processor II
Sleep is for the Dead. |
CheneysGun
Caldari
The Phoenix Rising
Free Space Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.05 12:17:00 -
[57]
New to hawk so I thought I would bump to get more newer setup info.
erutangiS |
Isolda Kargil
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Posted - 2006.08.05 23:58:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Isolda Kargil on 05/08/2006 23:58:20
Hawk
Standard Missile Launcher II [50xPiranha Precision Light Missile]
Standard Missile Launcher II [50xSabretooth Precision Light Missile]
Standard Missile Launcher II [50xFlameburst Precision Light Missile]
Standard Missile Launcher II [50xBloodclaw Precision Light Missile]
75mm Gatling Rail II [200xSpike S]
1MN Afterburner II
Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array
'Anointed' I EM Ward Reinforcement
Ballistic Control System II
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
997 shield, 6.65/s, E/T/K/Ex=55/82/73/64
430 armor, E/T/K/Ex=65/88/67/21
300.0 cap, +7.97/s, -10.307/s
553.3181818181818 m/s
80 DPS on struct thereabouts
It's not made for solo-pvp. But its good to scare away interceptors.
TBH, I'd take an Ishkur or Enyo over this any day.
-Isolda
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Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
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Posted - 2006.08.06 00:10:00 -
[59]
4 arbalest rocket launchers
1 small nos
1 1MN MWD II
1 Gistii A-type small shield booster
1 magnetic scattering field II
1 fleeting warp scrambler
1 ballistic control system II
1 PDU II
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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Lumberjackhammer
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Posted - 2006.10.27 22:39:00 -
[60]
4 tech 2 rocket launchers
1 tech 2 small shield booster
2 tech 2 passive hardners
1 cap recharger
2 BCU tech 2
works well as a mission runner, requires alot of fitting skills tho, another version is to fit a tech 2 medium shield extenderm drop the booster, and use hardners for the specific type of enemy, good enough passive tank, and you can also fit a target painter with that and go all tech 2 ammo, around 155 dps
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General Grevous
Caldari
Skiddies of Doom
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Posted - 2007.07.24 13:58:00 -
[61]
ok well i used to run a similar kinda setup on my ratting ship but here is my input but this is only hypiothetical until i get home from work.
Highs
4 standard launcher 2's Load all variants of t2 light missiles
1 small nos (if fits)
Meds
Sheild Booster II
Ionic sheild boost amp
em Passive hardner
Webber/Scrambler (where situ is needed)
Lows
2 x Pdu II
test it out. try to use t2 or best named where possible.
Noob since november 05 |
Vina
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.24 14:06:00 -
[62]
dud you necro'd a year old thread.
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Captain N8Hellyea
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Posted - 2007.08.04 20:25:00 -
[63]
The stock recharge and resist's of a hawk are really good, if ya use T2 hardeners and Purger rigs, your gonna tank very well for along time
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Iota Mordu
RAND Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.04 20:48:00 -
[64]
This fits with good fitting skills and a healthy wallet:
4x Standard Missile Launcher II
1x (offline) Small Remote Armor Repair System
1x Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
1x Warp Disruptor II
1x Gistii A-Type Afterburner
1x Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster
2x Power Diagnostic Unit II
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ricohalo
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Posted - 2007.08.30 18:49:00 -
[65]
I am confused, call me a noob but I keep reading how people are puttin Rails on a Hawk. Given that the Hawk gets missile bonuses not rail bonuses and the Harpy gets rail bonuses, one would think you should put more missiles on a Hawk than rails. Again call me what you will but personaly if a ship gets bonuses for a specific weapon I will fit more of that weapon to max out the bonuses.
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Iota Mordu
RAND Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.30 18:51:00 -
[66]
Originally by: ricohalo
I am confused, call me a noob but I keep reading how people are puttin Rails on a Hawk. Given that the Hawk gets missile bonuses not rail bonuses and the Harpy gets rail bonuses, one would think you should put more missiles on a Hawk than rails. Again call me what you will but personaly if a ship gets bonuses for a specific weapon I will fit more of that weapon to max out the bonuses.
Take a look at the dates of the posts. Back then it had rail bonuses and different slot layout.
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