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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2005.01.20 11:06:00 -
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Apologies to all who've mentioned it before, but why this has not been done already is beyond logic.
Problem:
 You jam someone in secure space, you get Concordoken'd and lose SS (hostile act)
You dampen someone in secure space, you get Concordoken'd and lose SS (hostile act)
You do either to a ship during sanctioned war and it dies before you hit it (usually missiles) = you get nothing (no hostile act)
I believe the above is the same for webbing, scrambling, and NOS'ing, but in those cases you are almost always in range for missiles to hit (and added to the kill). Regardless, I think the above is something that is easily fixable.
Solution:
Add EW ships that actively target and engage an enemy with EW, or...
Eliminate EW from being classified as a act of aggression
Obviously, the former makes much more sense. Please discuss and/or sign.
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.01.20 11:14:00 -
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I'd rather have the second option.
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Synthemesc
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Posted - 2005.01.20 11:14:00 -
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Signed.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.01.20 11:23:00 -
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My corp mate has my full support in this. It's absurd that CONCORD can shoot you for these 'agressive acts' but won't recognize the part you play in a kill.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.01.20 11:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Latex Mistress
Add EW ships that actively target and engage an enemy with EW
Makes sense
Signed
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Damajink
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Posted - 2005.01.20 11:38:00 -
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Abraham Azadian
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Posted - 2005.01.20 11:40:00 -
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/me licks Latex's boots ... oops that's not the thread's subject 
I fully support the EW in killmails, being an either an EW ***** or a tackler monkey I rarely get onto killmails although I spend hours assisting my damage dealing corpmates.
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Hygelac
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Posted - 2005.01.20 11:43:00 -
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Damned Straight!
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Kulach
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Posted - 2005.01.20 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
My corp mate has my full support in this. It's absurd that CONCORD can shoot you for these 'agressive acts' but won't recognize the part you play in a kill.
Sums up the argument. Case closed!
Signed
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2005.01.20 11:44:00 -
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signed.
I'm a Calli BS pilot, so of course i find myself in a scorp a good few times EW'ing from range, but have been know to flirt with bouts of frigateering, and in both cases not getting on the kill mail just makes baby jesus cry that much harder 
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.01.20 11:54:00 -
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Agreed.
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Weebear
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:02:00 -
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Signed.
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Selthae
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:07:00 -
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Signed
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SamuraiJack
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Latex Mistress
Solution:
Add EW ships that actively target and engage an enemy with EW, or...
Eliminate EW from being classified as a act of aggression
Obviously, the former makes much more sense. Please discuss and/or sign.
Right. Point one: Signed.
Point 2: EW cannot be removed as aggression as these means you can jam/web/scramble someone without fear of concord and hence "grief" them.
Point 3: Kill mail EW'ness good! 
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Sephrim Nageal
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:12:00 -
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agreed. Ew is agression so make it tag to the kill mails. under weapon used put the EW module used.
Even tho I am a carebear I realize this.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:12:00 -
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Those were made hostile acts because people would have a mate not in corp jam/dampen/web etc while others in corp and at war with you attacked. Meaning you couldn't kill off the one doing EW without getting CONCORD after you, but they could take part in an attack against you.
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Prothos
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: Prothos on 20/01/2005 12:16:08
Signed.
As long as its done in a way that gould not be exploited.
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:17:00 -
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Signored!~ EW 4 teh kill mails!
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Evie Longblade
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:22:00 -
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Signed, add EW to killmails.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Those were made hostile acts because people would have a mate not in corp jam/dampen/web etc while others in corp and at war with you attacked. Meaning you couldn't kill off the one doing EW without getting CONCORD after you, but they could take part in an attack against you.
I know. I remember those days. Regardless, it is a hostile act and CONCORD will WTFPWN your ship if you do it. Furthermore, the only reason to scramble/web/jam/dampen someone is... because your intent is to kill them.
CONCORD makes no distinction between if I accidentlly blast a noob shuttle with a Medium Neutron blaster or if I web a stargate. Even as absurd and useless an action as webbing a stargate is, the sentry guns still blow you up.
So if I have to deal with the risk of getting blown up over something as silly as webbing a stargate, if your intent is to kill a target and you use the modules on your ship to accomplish this task, then you should be on the kill mail.
Right?
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Tapal
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:29:00 -
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signed
EW on killmails please
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Danks
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:32:00 -
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Signed. Please add.
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Karmic
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:35:00 -
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Yup add ew acts to the kill mail pls mr dev.
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:38:00 -
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signed !
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:40:00 -
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In most cases, Electronic warfare is more important in battle than the big guns that take out the target.
Without a warp scrambler, the enemy will get away, without ECM I might die before we can take out the target.
ECM, Dampening, Warpscrambling should get you on the killmail, period.
ANY action deemed hostile by CONCORD should put you on the killmail.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:55:00 -
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signed.
Originally by: Graelyn
"We're at war with you, and you FIRED on us! I am so telling CONCORD!"
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Sivona
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:58:00 -
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Completely agree, ECM is a critical part of warfare that often makes the difference between a winning and losing a battle its a hostile act so why not on the killmails?
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The Chef
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Posted - 2005.01.20 12:58:00 -
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Sounds like a nice idea, although personally I would rather
1) Not see "drones" appearing as the ship used when your drone gets the final blow
2) Have all the "weapon used" fields contain what weapon was actually used, rather than "unknown" for all but the final blower.
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Peter Kallesoee
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Posted - 2005.01.20 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Peter Kallesoee on 20/01/2005 13:01:07
Signed, add EW to killmails.
Andreas Kallesoee, i can see my alt is the last one registede here 
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CYVOK
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Posted - 2005.01.20 13:10:00 -
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I will weigh in heavily on this issue. One of the things CLS does for its members pay a bounty on killed enemies. However the only "fair" way to do this is by use of the kill mail system, unfortunatly none of the tacklers ever end up on the kill mails and so are not reconized for their effort in the battle.
Signed on behalf of my entire Corp.
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