and is ******* with my head on a day to day basis.

Your new system is making everything harder and is ******* with my head on a day to day basis. please bring back the old until you have taken the crappy bugs and "features" out of your new broken system. ty

Your new system is making everything harder and is ******* with my head on a day to day basis. please bring back the old until you have taken the crappy bugs and "features" out of your new broken system. ty

Is there any way to get it to always open the items hangar when I dock rather than have to do it manually every flipping time? I have given up hoping that other things can be fixed, but a simple thing where when I dock there is a window for my ship's cargo hold and a window for my items hangar without having to jump through a set of hoops would be nice to have back.

It's a bit fragile, like most parts of the new UI and I've had it forget itself on me on a couple of times, butGǪ

GǪI've found that any specific hangar that you shift-click-open to have it exist in its own window and leave open when you undock will re-open automatically when you dock. For the most part, this will hold true between logins as well, with the current ship cargo being the main exception (but it was already flaky before the new inventory so I can't blame it entirely for that oneGǪ).

Basically, the entire trick when the uninventory is to never ever use the GÇ£primaryGÇ¥ inventory window unless you really really have to. Always use shift-clicked windows and if you need a new inventory open, just fold out the tree view, and shift-click open the inventory from there (with the new GÇ£always new windowGÇ¥ option set, no shift is needed). As with the old inventory, stacking them up will help with getting them to consistently open in the right spot as well. Over all, this strategy will very closely replicate the old UI these days and provide nearly all the benefits of that system.

Personally, I only ever use the primary inventory window (the one you get when you click the inventory button in the NeoCom) to show the tree view, and I've shrunk it down as much as possible to minimise how much actual inventory is shown GÇö I'm only interested in the tree view. From there, I can open anything I'm interested in and having a quick, but still reasonably small, drop target for quick moves.

No go away, I like this new one.

I want tabs.

Shift-click, stack'em up. All old things are made new again.

Well, that's an annoying thing to have to do everytime you open a corporate hangar array at a pos.

Oh, on the subject of shift-clicking, I would also love a "always shift click" option as a setting somewhere.

It's a bit fragile, like most parts of the new UI and I've had it forget itself on me on a couple of times, butGǪ

GǪI've found that any specific hangar that you shift-click-open to have it exist in its own window and leave open when you undock will re-open automatically when you dock. For the most part, this will hold true between logins as well, with the current ship cargo being the main exception (but it was already flaky before the new inventory so I can't blame it entirely for that oneGǪ).

Basically, the entire trick when the uninventory is to never ever use the GÇ£primaryGÇ¥ inventory window unless you really really have to. Always use shift-clicked windows and if you need a new inventory open, just fold out the tree view, and shift-click open the inventory from there (with the new GÇ£always new windowGÇ¥ option set, no shift is needed). As with the old inventory, stacking them up will help with getting them to consistently open in the right spot as well. Over all, this strategy will very closely replicate the old UI these days and provide nearly all the benefits of that system.

Personally, I only ever use the primary inventory window (the one you get when you click the inventory button in the NeoCom) to show the tree view, and I've shrunk it down as much as possible to minimise how much actual inventory is shown GÇö I'm only interested in the tree view. From there, I can open anything I'm interested in and having a quick, but still reasonably small, drop target for quick moves.

There is no way in hell CCP wil go back to the old inventory system.

However, there is no reason for them not to keep working on the new one until works properly.

With the new GÇ£always open in new windowGÇ¥ option, I'm actually beginning to see the end of this dip in functionality.

To my view, there are three main things that remain: the ability to drag holds to the NeoCom to give us back the direct-access buttons; the ability to treat any type of corp hangar as a single entity; and better GÇ£memoryGÇ¥ for windows in terms of location and individual view settings.

GǪand some further performance tuning.

I agree. It works just fine now, but could be a lot better. Faster, for one.

'Always open in new window' was the one major quantifiable fix I wanted. I'm so glad they listened to my moaning and wailing about it. It makes looting missions a snap rather than a chore.

New UI means less clicking and less redundant windows cluttering the screen. I keep the main window open and instead of opening hangars all the time, I just drag stuff to entries in the tree.

Using the tree to shuffle stuff between hangars was impossible in the old "system"

Yep, pretty much just like the Win8 vs Win7/XP/2K UI debacle.
New Inventory = Win 8
Old Inventory = Win 7/XP

The new UI meant a hell of a lot more clicking and more redundant windows cluttering the screen for me (simply because the whole GÇ£unifiedGÇ¥ bit means they are all redundant by definition, whereas they each had a specific purpose in the old UI) simply because it tries to serialise everything rather than let stuff run in parallel. Previously, I didn't have to keep opening hangars all the time because they were already open and immediately available in exactly the spot and size that was right for them.

The old UI was also less cluttered since you could just create a couple of stacks in pre-defined positions and have them be very very small. With the new UI, the general design-element bloat means that those windows have to be much bigger to provide the same information, and on top of that, there's the tree view to steal even more space from what you actually want to see whenever you have to use it.
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The old system had tabs, which were functionally equivalent and too up less screen real-estate to boot.

With the new GÇ£always open in new windowGÇ¥ option, I'm actually beginning to see the end of this dip in functionality.

To my view, there are three main things that remain: the ability to drag holds to the NeoCom to give us back the direct-access buttons; the ability to treat any type of corp hangar as a single entity; and better GÇ£memoryGÇ¥ for windows in terms of location and individual view settings.

GǪand some further performance tuning.

I like it. I like it a lot. Go away.

You know, our different opinions are probably mostly just results of different use cases. I live in a POS, where the hangars were not open when returning to them, and accessing them meant either switching to an overview tab, or clicking the arrays in space. Useful stuff like tabs couldn't be used, because you can't use containers in Corp Hangar Arrays like you can in stations.

as I said above, I recently merged the items and ships hangar into the station window (thingy) this helped a lot with the lack of that old feature, but it doesn't have the resizing the old one did.... and I can only have 1 tab open at the same time, so I have to switch between them a lot... :(

Tell you what, how about we keep the new system which is awesome and you just quit?

The new UI meant a hell of a lot more clicking and more redundant windows cluttering the screen for me (simply because the whole GÇ£unifiedGÇ¥ bit means they are all redundant by definition, whereas they each had a specific purpose in the old UI) simply because it tries to serialise everything rather than let stuff run in parallel. Previously, I didn't have to keep opening hangars all the time because they were already open and immediately available in exactly the spot and size that was right for them.

The old UI was also less cluttered since you could just create a couple of stacks in pre-defined positions and have them be very very small. With the new UI, the general design-element bloat means that those windows have to be much bigger to provide the same information, and on top of that, there's the tree view to steal even more space from what you actually want to see whenever you have to use it.

The old system had tabs, which were functionally equivalent and too up less screen real-estate to boot.

While things certainly have improved since launch, and while it's now possible to very closely make the uninventory behave like the old UI, is still shock-full of outright baffling design decisions in terms of redundant, inconsistent, unnecessary, bloated, misapplied, and outdated elements. This kind of UI was modern in 1986 GÇö these days, there are far better [whatever]-managers to duplicate than DOSSHELL.

The only really good improvement that has come out of it is the filtering ability, which is a nice extension from the limited meta/tech/type/group sorting we had beforeGǪ but even the filters are clumsily integrated and require far more clicking and folding and scrolling to use than should be necessary.

I think they are hoping with time that ppl will stop complaining and will just go away, Guess not...



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This kind of UI was modern in 1986 GÇö these days, there are far better [whatever]-managers to duplicate than DOSSHELL.

it wont go away, every time I open inventory i feel anger for a man who created this ****, then i shout on TS about this stupid inventory and say lots of bad words about how i hate it.... but later it cools down a bit when im hear from my mates that im not only one struggling with this bullshit

tell me... who from devs created this "inventory" ill make a woodoo doll or smth...

Your new system is making everything harder and is ******* with my head on a day to day basis. please bring back the old until you have taken the crappy bugs and "features" out of your new broken system. ty

Arguably the new inventory system is better, but was it worth the change? (I think the two systems were about equal.) Seems like it created a lot of angst for little benefit.