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Mortrius
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Posted - 2011.01.08 13:53:00 -
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I started the game as Gallente, and have been building up my turret and drone skills, in addition to armor skills of course. Now, I'm looking at cross-training into another race for more versatility in ship selection for PvP Ops. I was thinking Amarr or Minmitar, but I don't know what would be best in the long run for small gang/fleet ops.
Any suggestions would be great!
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Kyo Haku
Minmatar
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.08 14:00:00 -
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Minmatar have arguably (sp?) the best frig/cruiser lineup, and most definitely the best destroyer. Most small gangs will use cruiser and below, but you will find the occasional bc.
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2011.01.08 14:04:00 -
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Minmatar, because then you get not only all the awesome Minmatar ships, you are also able to fly the Angel ships (Dramiel, Cynabal, Machariel) and the Serpentis ships (Daredevil, Vigilant, Vindicator) which are all pretty awesome, even though the Serpentis ones have similar issues to normal Gallente ships.
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Leyalor Esperence
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.01.08 14:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Bibbleibble
Minmatar, because then you get not only all the awesome Minmatar ships, you are also able to fly the Angel ships (Dramiel, Cynabal, Machariel) and the Serpentis ships (Daredevil, Vigilant, Vindicator) which are all pretty awesome, even though the Serpentis ones have similar issues to normal Gallente ships.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.01.08 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kyo Haku
Minmatar have arguably (sp?) the best frig/cruiser lineup, and most definitely the best destroyer.
Agreed on the destroyer and cruisers. As far as frigates go, gallente has definitely a lot more best-in-class than minmatar.
If looking for cruiser and down, go crosstrain minmatar to get a sweet selection of ships. If battlecruiser and up, go crosstrain amarr. Either way you should have a solid skill base with gallente for both, minmatar prolly gonna require a little bit more though.
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2011.01.08 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Leyalor Esperence
Originally by: Bibbleibble
Minmatar, because then you get not only all the awesome Minmatar ships, you are also able to fly the Angel ships (Dramiel, Cynabal, Machariel) and the Serpentis ships (Daredevil, Vigilant, Vindicator) which are all pretty awesome, even though the Serpentis ones have similar issues to normal Gallente ships.
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That. Amarr are boring race to fly too.
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2011.01.08 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan
Originally by: Kyo Haku
Minmatar have arguably (sp?) the best frig/cruiser lineup, and most definitely the best destroyer.
Agreed on the destroyer and cruisers. As far as frigates go, gallente has definitely a lot more best-in-class than minmatar.
If looking for cruiser and down, go crosstrain minmatar to get a sweet selection of ships. If battlecruiser and up, go crosstrain amarr. Either way you should have a solid skill base with gallente for both, minmatar prolly gonna require a little bit more though.
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Rifter > Tristan
Vigil makes for a cheap tackler, while the Incursus makes for a gank frig. I find myself more in a vigil than in an Incursus
Keres might beat Hyena, but still is an EAF
Comet is better then a Firetail
Jaguar is about equal to an Ishkur
Wolf is far better than an Enyo
Hound beats Nemesis
Taranis probably beats the claw, but not by a very large margin
Ares and Stilletto are about equal.
Cheetah is probably the best covops at covopsing, and, though ugly, beats the Helios in looks
So, 2 wins for gallente, 4 for Minmatar, and 4 ties.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.08 15:18:00 -
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Depends what you're looking for and how you define "good".
Amarr is very easy to train for since they share almost all the support and secondary skills: they armour tank, they use turrets, they like drones, they have the odd missile ship. You need the ship skills and the laser turret skills and that's about it (wellà and other leadership and ewar skills, if you're going down that road).
Minmatar offers you more fun stuff, and arguably has better ships atm, but training for that will require you to branch out a bit more. You can still use your turret support skills, but will occasionally have to use missiles more, and you'll need to get your shield tanking up to snuff (and, of course, other leadership and ewar skills).
So, Amarr: easy, but less rewarding ù Minmatar, slightly more work, but more rewarding.
Pick your poison. 
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2011.01.08 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kyo Haku
Agreed on the destroyer and cruisers. As far as frigates go, gallente has definitely a lot more best-in-class than minmatar.
I was referring to this bit. I agree that Amarr has some nice things as well, especially the Crusader, Sentinel, Sac and Curse.
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Seraph Castillon
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.08 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Zilberfrid
Stuff
So, 2 wins for gallente, 4 for Minmatar, and 4 ties.
You're not really comparing the right T1 Frigs there ... and your basic math isn't very good either, count again.
All in all it doesn't matter. Both have good frig line-ups and the two pirate frigates you unlock by training Min/Gal are the best in the game.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.01.08 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Zilberfrid
Comet is better then a Firetail
Depends, in general I'd say yes. Firetail is vastly underappreciated though.
Originally by: Zilberfrid
Jaguar is about equal to an Ishkur
Wolf is far better than an Enyo
Ishkur beats Jaguar hands down, while also outclassing the other two.
Wolf and Enyo is a close tie, though no reason to fly either if you can fly Ishkur.
Originally by: Zilberfrid
Ares and Stilletto are about equal.
Stiletto is easily first here.
Originally by: Zilberfrid
Cheetah is probably the best covops at covopsing, and, though ugly, beats the Helios in looks
Cheetah got nothing on the Helios as a combat prober. Dunno about looks, should be cloaked ideally but both kinda look terrible.
Adding in pirate faction, there is the best frigate in game that qualifies as gallente although it requires both racial skills.
As far as counting goes, that is 3 minmatar, 6 gallente, the rest ties.
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2011.01.08 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Seraph Castillon
Originally by: Zilberfrid
Stuff
So, 2 wins for gallente, 4 for Minmatar, and 4 ties.
You're not really comparing the right T1 Frigs there ... and your basic math isn't very good either, count again.
All in all it doesn't matter. Both have good frig line-ups and the two pirate frigates you unlock by training Min/Gal are the best in the game.
Whoops, I missed a spot, I see now. But not comparing the right t1 frigs, are there others worth mentioning then? The Atron never did much good in my opinion, and the breacher has few uses as well. Should I compare mining frigs or t1 scanning frigs, or rookie ships?
I agree the frig lineups are both good, and could be convinced they are about equal, but I see difficulty in seeing Gallente frigs better then the Minmatar lineup.
Frigs I use from the Gallente side: Ishkur, Taranis, Comet
Frigs I use from the Minmatar side: Rifter, Vigil, Jaguar, Hound
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Larofeticus
The Program
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.08 23:42:00 -
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For the specific situation of cross-training away from Gallente, I suggest amarr.
Arbitrator quickly, Curse and pilgrim next. All use drones and not lasers, and have nice ewar to them. Good against roaming drams/vagabonds/cynnibals that are pretty common. Guardian also is nice.
Then you can train lasers and fill out the rest of the amarr lineup.
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DarkAegix
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Posted - 2011.01.08 23:50:00 -
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Minmatar. FOTM for a few years.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2011.01.09 00:20:00 -
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Minmatar.
Amazing small gang ships in pretty much every size/class, and their battleships are now in great shape.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.09 10:38:00 -
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peopl will say minmatar, but if you are looking for a challange, I would either continue to try to make gallente work (and refine those skills further - I know as a 7 year old pilot that there are always skills to refine - even after 100 mil sp, I still manage to train skills and still only fly one race).
Overall, if you are not training for angel/serp ships spacifically, I would either stick it out with Gallente or train something that is not FOTM.
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Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.09 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Rip Minner on 09/01/2011 10:49:43
Any race that do's not use Hybird weapons will be a upgrade for you.
But it is the overwelling majority and there right in say Min is the best upgrade for what your asking for.
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.09 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Larofeticus
For the specific situation of cross-training away from Gallente, I suggest amarr.
Arbitrator quickly, Curse and pilgrim next. All use drones and not lasers, and have nice ewar to them. Good against roaming drams/vagabonds/cynnibals that are pretty common. Guardian also is nice.
Then you can train lasers and fill out the rest of the amarr lineup.
This is want I did too. I'm loving it. But I did do Galete/Caldire then Amarr. Sometimes I wish I would have skiped Caldire but missile skills I picked up there also go well with Amarr.
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Bibosikus
Gallente
Universal Moose Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.09 11:24:00 -
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From someone who was in your position (about two years ago..):
I had Gal F/C/BS to 5 and guns to support them, plus HAC 5 because I do love the Ishtar. At this point I had about 30m SP I think.
I remapped into int/mem for a year and maxed up every support skill including shields because I knew I'd be using them sooner or later.
Then I remapped to perc/will and cross-trained Minmatar, got frig and cruiser to 4 then built up the projectile skills to support them. Then I went back to finish level 5 cruiser & frig, and the specialist gunnery skills up to 4.
Then I did the same for Amarr. Then I trained some basic missile skills and trained Caldari frig & cruiser to 5.
I didn't bother with BS because a) I love cruiser hulls and b) they take a lot longer to get up to decent spec. Although I will probably so them at some time because I won't train Caps on this toon (just my preference).
If you remap to perc/will, it takes about 22 days to train racial frig & cruiser to 5 from scratch. Level 5 ofc unlocks all those lovely T2/3 ships. It will also take about 40 days to get the relevant small & medium T2 gunnery specialisation skills to level 4.
A lot of people grimace at cross-training, but I say boo to them. It offers variety, a chance to try different styles of piloting, and gives you lots of versatility. I go with the popualar vote of Minmatar first. But don't give up on Amarr - it has without doubt the best pvp Recon ship in the game (Curse), the best Logistics (Guardian) and ofc a bit further down the line that awesome monster the Damnation. Plus imo the Prophecy is the best-looking cruiser in the game :)
Good luck
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Joss56
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.01.09 14:36:00 -
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I would advise you minmatar.
They're in god mode at almost any situation
Same skils, same person different ship but the fun factor takes sense flying matar with ships and guns that realy work fine witch is not the case of gallente ones.
It's exactly what i'm doing and not ready to regret it, just the time i spent training hybrids and galletne ships.
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Edgar Berberos
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Posted - 2011.01.09 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Edgar Berberos on 09/01/2011 18:22:21
Get them all! But for now, go caldari as you have the hybrid skills anyway. That being said, minmatar is pretty cool and fun. Easy fittings and they get better with good core skills.
edit: And remember, it only takes racial cruiser III (few days) to fly battlecruisers. So, train BC V.
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Theodoric Darkwind
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Posted - 2011.01.10 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Theodoric Darkwind on 10/01/2011 00:19:55
why crosstrain caldari first? all the good caldari ships are missile boats which would require training up missiles too (given how few gallenge ships have any launchers).
imho crosstrain minmatar, you have the basic gunnery skills already, min has some great ships like the rifter, also lets you get into angel ships like the dram, cynnibal and eventually the machariel if you stick it out. you would need to train up shield skills too, or stick with min ships that armor tank.
also helps if you want to slap projectile turrets on your gallente stuff given the sad state of hybrids.
amarr wouldn;t be a bad choice either, but you would want really good cap skills, you should already have the drone and armor tanking skills from gallente
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Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar
Instapop Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.10 00:26:00 -
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Another vote for Minmatar. I'm crosstraining Gallente (for pirate ships).
After training the Minmatar stuff to fly what you want, consider doing a bit with the Caldari since you already have the gun skills and after training for Minmatar, probably have some missile skills. Specifically for the Drake and Falcon.
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Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.01.10 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Leyalor Esperence
Originally by: Bibbleibble
Minmatar, because then you get not only all the awesome Minmatar ships, you are also able to fly the Angel ships (Dramiel, Cynabal, Machariel) and the Serpentis ships (Daredevil, Vigilant, Vindicator) which are all pretty awesome, even though the Serpentis ones have similar issues to normal Gallente ships.
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That. Amarr are boring race to fly too.
I must say my favorite ship by far to fly is a Nano'd shield zealot (with heavy pulses) Curse and Pilgrim are fairly awesome as well. While the T1 frig and cruiser lineup is a bit lackluster (except for the Arbitrator which is an fantastic t1 cr, also alot of fun to fly) Their T2 selection is phenominal.
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