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Selene Asteria	Posted - 2011.01.08 18:21:00 - [1] I am curious on the development of the new mmo World of darkness. There is Nothing on the web about it...other then it's "there" . Could any anyone here throw us a bone? Although I'm surprised, given all that fans have given to C.C.P when it comes to ideas.......that there isn't a public forum for WOD...for idea sharing and such. I guess my question really is.... could you give us a taste?... Is C.C.P proud of what they have so far?.... Is it a larger challenge then expected? Will it be a single world? Are you going to target Twilight fans? or adult sadist's?
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.01.08 18:22:00 - [2] Will probably be moved to OOPE.. support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.08 18:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Selene Asteria Are you going to target Twilight fans? They don't have to ù those will come regardlessà àand then everyone else can target them. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.01.08 18:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Selene Asteria Are you going to target Twilight fans? They don't have to ù those will come regardlessà àand then everyone else can target them. Vampirebears? Twilightbears? support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Shaalira D'arc	Posted - 2011.01.08 18:47:00 - [5] Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Selene Asteria Are you going to target Twilight fans? They don't have to ù those will come regardlessà àand then everyone else can target them. Vampirebears? Twilightbears? Glittervamps
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.01.08 18:49:00 - [6] Originally by: Shaalira D'arc Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Selene Asteria Are you going to target Twilight fans? They don't have to ù those will come regardlessà àand then everyone else can target them. Vampirebears? Twilightbears? Glittervamps Probably doesn't matter how they're called I guess.. as there will be a way to pod/grief them support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Hounds of Anarchy	Posted - 2011.01.08 18:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Shaalira D'arc Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Selene Asteria Are you going to target Twilight fans? They don't have to ù those will come regardlessà àand then everyone else can target them. Vampirebears? Twilightbears? Glittervamps Toreador --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.08 19:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Grimpak Toreador Now that' just mean! àI just can't decide which of the two you're being mean against. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Kaahles Fulcrum Weapon Systems Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.08 19:16:00 - [9] Although there is no real official information out there based on how CCP's game design philosophy is by now I go out on a limb here with some predictions of mine. Originally by: Selene Asteria Will it be a single world? Given that they have a lot of experience in operating large clusters for online games and they stated several times that they don't like sharded worlds I guess so yes. Originally by: Selene Asteria could you give us a taste? Since CCP is generally pretty evil in matters of teasing my guess will be that they show some early stuff at fanfest either this year or next year and than tease you a little more and then give you some real information. Prediction here from me: We won't see the game until late 2012 / early 2013. Doing good games takes a lot of time. Originally by: Selene Asteria Are you going to target Twilight fans? or adult sadist's? As stated before. They'll come anyhow but I think they won't stay long. The setting has a crapload of potential for a very dark, harsh and brutal world. Ah 16+ or maybe even 18+ target audience combined with a single-world sandbox thingy and some real nice PVP / PVE mechanics + boobs and blood sucking would be so awesome. I'd totally try that out even though I don't like vampires in particular. [quote?Selene Asteria]Is it a larger challenge then expected? If they go for the single world thingy I bet one of the issues will be latency for players from all over the globe. Such a games PVP mechanics usually respond much more drastic to stuff like that than games with EVE's design. But I really can't wait to see more on that. Especially since EVE is currently still suffering from code "sins" from early design back when CCP started. Things they definitely won't repeat with the experience they have now. Another reason why I'm exited about what they pull off in the end with that project. ----------------------------- OMG THE SKY IS FALLING! Contract me all your stuff so I can save it!
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Hounds of Anarchy	Posted - 2011.01.08 19:17:00 - [10] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Grimpak Toreador Now that' just mean! àI just can't decide which of the two you're being mean against. now don't tell me that the twilight fans won't roll toreador and be disappointed that they don't glitter at sunlight --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.08 19:20:00 - [11] Originally by: Grimpak now don't tell me that the twilight fans won't roll toreador and be disappointed that they don't glitter at sunlight I can certainly see them rolling Toreadorà I'm not so sure about the disappointment, though, but I guess that depends on whether "***ing explode" counts as glittering. Then again, our GM always liked to overemphasise the pyrotechnics of it all. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki*
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Hounds of Anarchy	Posted - 2011.01.08 19:23:00 - [12] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Grimpak now don't tell me that the twilight fans won't roll toreador and be disappointed that they don't glitter at sunlight I can certainly see them rolling Toreadorà I'm not so sure about the disappointment, though, but I guess that depends on whether "**ing explode" counts as glittering. Then again, our GM always liked to overemphasise the pyrotechnics of it all. well yeah, fireworks can be glittter for some --- Quote:** The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.01.08 20:52:00 - [13] WOD = EvE without spaceships and with Vampires (hopefully) Originally by: Kool StoryBro <--- Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed. Random forum moments <0>
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.01.08 21:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Kalle Demos WOD = EvE without spaceships and with Vampires (hopefully) No. It makes no sense to do the same game twice. CCP will utilize some lessons they learned from EVE and put it to good use, but they will try to cater to a totally different audience.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.01.08 21:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Grimpak Toreador If that's the case I'm going in as a Malkavian to truly mess the heads up. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Corcyrus Endymion Caldari Excessum Corporation Excessum Gaming	Posted - 2011.01.08 22:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Originally by: Kalle Demos WOD = EvE without spaceships and with Vampires (hopefully) No. It makes no sense to do the same game twice. CCP will utilize some lessons they learned from EVE and put it to good use, but they will try to cater to a totally different audience. Yes and it makes a whole lot sense to make something entirely different with which they have zero experience and that will most likely then compete in one of the most cutthroat gaming markets currently out there.
Dr Karsun Gallente Coffee Lovers Brewing Club	Posted - 2011.01.08 22:29:00 - [17] WOD-online -> blood, death, gore, class, goth clothes, guns, sex, drugs, alkohol, great cars, class, class, class and even more class, great job, great graphics, amazing plot... 100k subscribers that criticize the game and force progress of all its aspects. Twilight online -> shiny fairies without wings saying they are vampires, kissing censored since it's more than perverse. 500k subscribers paying ten times more per month for each account after a month of its existance, no proress of the game at all. Now... WOD takes so long to develop because the audience is completely different. You catch my drift?
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2011.01.08 23:46:00 - [18] For now it seems CCP has adopted the policy that White Wolf is the channel for WoD MMO news. Which is why the teaser trailer for WoD was shown at the WoD "fanfest". Don't think there even is an official video, just a recording from the showing. Why White Wolf and not CCP I don't know, but probably because there are more females in WoD than in EVE, the White Wolf website is acutally for end-users, as opposed to the CCP website, and of course WoD is originally a White Wholf and not a CCP / White Wolf IP.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Hounds of Anarchy	Posted - 2011.01.08 23:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Serge Bastana Originally by: Grimpak Toreador If that's the case I'm going in as a Malkavian to truly mess the heads up. Brujah is much more simple: bash skulls --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2011.01.08 23:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Corcyrus Endymion Yes and it makes a whole lot sense to make something entirely different with which they have zero experience and that will most likely then compete in one of the most cutthroat gaming markets currently out there. Yeah, instead of cannibalizing their current userbase, it makes perfect sense. You know, just like Dust is a console game which they have no experience with and it will compete in THE most cutthroat segment, console FPS. They have to grow their userbase, not spend millions of dollars doing the same thing for the same people with a different skin.

Madame Gorgeous	Posted - 2011.01.09 01:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Serge Bastana Originally by: Grimpak Toreador If that's the case I'm going in as a Malkavian to truly mess the heads up. Brujah is much more simple: bash skulls Nosferatu would serve you better, looking at your face
Vabjekf Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.09 02:00:00 - [22] I hope they let me be a ghost. Wraith the oblivion was much more interesting/unique than the generic vampire crap.
Yoji Yimbo Gallente Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.09 02:22:00 - [23] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Serge Bastana Originally by: Grimpak Toreador If that's the case I'm going in as a Malkavian to truly mess the heads up. Brujah is much more simple: bash skulls or with a Gangrel, sinking claws in their sparkly hides :)
Anubis Xian Word Bearers of Chaos	Posted - 2011.01.09 04:48:00 - [24] I just want Thaumaturgy to not suck. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
caka ringrawer	Posted - 2011.01.09 04:59:00 - [25] Adult sadist,please......if so,Id sub to both EVE and WOD......
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.01.09 05:13:00 - [26] What makes people believe it's going to be "EVE with vampires and werewolves?" They already have an EVE why make another? Granted i'm speculating just the same which makes me no better. But lets not have another Dark Fail, or Fail Bane, etc. Perhaps i'm jaded on the Fantasy MMO kinda thing.
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Solar Nexus. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2011.01.09 05:15:00 - [27] Last I heard WoD was in the Pre-Alpha stage or pretty much planning stage. So because of this there isn't really any news because they have nothing set to release. As far as twilight they also stated previously that its geared more towards the VTM for those who know what that is. Its more a dark urban underground scene then a glitter Emo twilight feel. Though if they stick to this or not is a different story.
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Solar Nexus. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2011.01.09 05:23:00 - [28] Originally by: Blacksquirrel What makes people believe it's going to be "EVE with vampires and werewolves?" They already have an EVE why make another? Granted i'm speculating just the same which makes me no better. But lets not have another Dark Fail, or Fail Bane, etc. Perhaps i'm jaded on the Fantasy MMO kinda thing. CCP has a strange thing for being in niche markets(even though Dust kindof throws that off), While it is a fantasy based MMO it also lies within a niche since its about vampires and urban setting. Where as most MMOS are D&D style of fantasy. Also having it as 2 seperate MMOs allows them to in a sense control 2 markets with the highest profit platform of gaming which is MMORPGs.
PTang	Posted - 2011.01.09 05:32:00 - [29] wasn't the off hand rumor/what a whitewolf exc wanted, permi death? with Xp going to your family, and be spent on any character you wish? people in thread need to understand the system for the mmo is allready is place other than some tweaks, it's been around for over 10 years, and someone stated pretty much, they want to stay true to a pen and paper mmorpg. permideath would not be twilight friendly. but oh god, if they deliver permideath, it will be amazing.
Tagera	Posted - 2011.01.09 06:30:00 - [30] Originally by: PTang wasn't the off hand rumor/what a whitewolf exc wanted, permi death? with Xp going to your family, and be spent on any character you wish? people in thread need to understand the system for the mmo is allready is place other than some tweaks, it's been around for over 10 years, and someone stated pretty much, they want to stay true to a pen and paper mmorpg. permideath would not be twilight friendly. but oh god, if they deliver permideath, it will be amazing. I've heard rumor of that. And it's being Masquerade 3rd edition based. So none of this namby pamby Requiem crap. Oh, and yeah. I agree with the above guy who said Malkavian. Always fun to play the loonies.


CCP Dropbear	Posted - 2011.01.09 06:47:00 - [31] Edited by: CCP Dropbear on 09/01/2011 06:49:05 WoD info. Disclaimer: I don't work on WoD. I'm just throwing you guys the info that is already public and "out there" as a service to you, our beloved EVE players. I can't give any information beyond what's there (because I don't know it). I just figured putting this out there is better than letting people speculate without the basic information already provided. -- Originally by: CCP Explorer What could possibly go (more) wrong?

Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.01.09 06:59:00 - [32] Originally by: CCP Dropbear WoD info. Disclaimer: I don't work on WoD. I'm just throwing you guys the info that is already public and "out there" as a service to you, our beloved EVE players. I can't give any information beyond what's there (because I don't know it). I just figured putting this out there is better than letting people speculate without the basic information already provided. How's the Lore-In-Game project coming forward? support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Karn Velora	Posted - 2011.01.09 07:22:00 - [33] So much hate for the Toreadors... Sure, I suppose they ain't Brujas, but if you just look a little bit deeper, you'll find that they are quite capable of holding their own in situations other than beauty pageants. Think of them like... a Vengence assault ship: tearing people to shreads is all good, but that's no reason not to look good while doing it. Toreadors can certainly be pretty to look at, but they don't really qualify as "nice", by any standard other than possibly a comparison with the other clans in wod.
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.01.09 07:27:00 - [34] Three inter-connected playstyles: ôSandbox,ö ôThemepark,ö and ôCoffee Shop.ö Whats a Themepark / Coffee Shop type game? Originally by: Kool StoryBro <--- Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed. Random forum moments <0>
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2011.01.09 07:33:00 - [35] Edited by: Pohbis on 09/01/2011 07:36:52 Edited by: Pohbis on 09/01/2011 07:35:50 Originally by: Kalle Demos Three inter-connected playstyles: ôSandbox,ö ôThemepark,ö and ôCoffee Shop.ö Whats a Themepark / Coffee Shop type game? Themeparks are scripted content. Stuff like dungeons/raids ( every fantasy MMO out there ), public quests (WAR), Jabba's Palace (SWG) etc. You go there, hop in the trolley and enjoy the ride. Coffe Shop. "Chat room" with ambience. Second Life etc. So you go to the Succubus Club, use your EMO power to bite some EMO-chick neck, then sit in the VIP lounge and circlejerk with your undead friends about how all the NPC chicks "dig you". So basically buit-in CAOD?
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.01.09 08:06:00 - [36] Edited by: Halcyon Ingenium on 09/01/2011 08:13:15 Originally by: Ayane Some of the stories that come out of EVE are truly frightening Hear that ladies and gents, we're so famous we're in-famous!
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.01.09 08:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Pohbis Edited by: Pohbis on 09/01/2011 07:44:16 Edited by: Pohbis on 09/01/2011 07:37:06 Originally by: Kalle Demos Three inter-connected playstyles: ôSandbox,ö ôThemepark,ö and ôCoffee Shop.ö Whats a Themepark / Coffee Shop type game? Themeparks are scripted content. Stuff like dungeons/raids ( every fantasy MMO out there ), public quests (WAR), Jabba's Palace (SWG) and Incursions (EVE), etc. You go there, hop in the trolley and enjoy the ride. Coffe Shop. "Chat room" with ambience. Second Life etc. So you go to the Succubus Club, use your EMO power to bite some EMO-chick neck, then sit in the VIP lounge and circlejerk with your undead friends about how all the NPC chicks "dig you". So basically in-game CAOD? Yeah was reading how the politics would be rich in WOD too I see myself quitting EVE for WOD tbh, a little ironic imo I do hope it comes out in 2012 though Originally by: Kool StoryBro <--- Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed. Random forum moments <0>
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.01.09 08:14:00 - [38] I won't quit EVE for it, but I will definitely have a smile of joy when I can play a Euthanatos and go hunting Edwards.
Hiram Alexander Caldari Holdfast Industries	Posted - 2011.01.09 08:32:00 - [39] If they have perma-death, or a perma-death server, I'd be right in there... Damn tootin'... Nosferatu'd right up. I'm not normally a griefer in any game, but hells-yeah I'd pay for that laugh.....!!! --HA HD Character Creation Videos - http://www.youtube.com/user/LexHiram?feature=mhsn
Baneken Gallente School of the Unseen	Posted - 2011.01.09 08:37:00 - [40] As long as they don't copy the nad parts from OWOD like 'invisible blender'; a vampire (city gangrels mostly) with protean, obfuscate, celerity and potence disciplines ... http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.09 08:51:00 - [41] Originally by: Baneken As long as they don't copy the nad parts from OWOD like 'invisible blender'; a vampire (city gangrels mostly) with protean, obfuscate, celerity and potence disciplines ... Whaatà True Brujah was awesome! And by awesome I mean stupid. And by stupid I mean I seem to recall reading an conspiracy theory somewhere about how that entire module was basically an assassination attempt on the whole franchise. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.09 09:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Karn Velora So much hate for the Toreadors... Sure, I suppose they ain't Brujas, but if you just look a little bit deeper, you'll find that they are quite capable of holding their own in situations other than beauty pageants. Think of them like... a Vengence assault ship: tearing people to shreads is all good, but that's no reason not to look good while doing it. Toreadors can certainly be pretty to look at, but they don't really qualify as "nice", by any standard other than possibly a comparison with the other clans in wod. Toreador Disciplines: Presence = influence the behavior of any kind of creature, even those more powerful - good Celerity = faster reaction time and movement, more actions - good Auspex = seeing the unseen, up to emotions and thoughts - good A Toreador with Celerity is a decent fighting machine, Auspex and Presence are great in social activity And people thinking of Twilight should remember that even if Toreadors tend to be emo artists, a lot of them love the "artistry" of pain, blood and so on, hardly a bunch of nice guys/gals. About "safe" territory I will remember people of the existence of the Elysium in the Camarilla cities (meting halls where combat of use of powers is forbidden and, if detected, meet swift justice) and similar even if less stringent rules for the Sabbath and Anarchs. My only doubt is how CCP will manage perma death and give an aura of real power to the older, presumably NPC, vampires. As it will be a game without a Storyteller/moderator/GM [choose the definition you prefer] the difference in powers between players will not be too large as it will imbalance the game, but then killing a player will become very easy and low cost if a long time player can be killed by 10 just rolled Bruja attacking as a swarm. Who care if 9 of them die, they will be re-rolled next minute and the older character would have been destroyed. Even playing a Childe (son) of the older vampire with most of his Xp will not be the same thing, especially if it happen with an high frequency. On the other hand make that almost impossible and the game will risk becoming stale very fast. Hard to balance.
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2011.01.09 09:52:00 - [43] Edited by: Jagga Spikes on 09/01/2011 09:52:58 i wonder if there will be mass combat. 100+ vampires (or any other super-types) in one place just doesn't seem right. edit: hopefully, there will be some kind of dire consequence for massing up. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Killitt	Posted - 2011.01.09 09:56:00 - [44] Originally by: Jagga Spikes Edited by: Jagga Spikes on 09/01/2011 09:52:58 i wonder if there will be mass combat. 100+ vampires (or any other super-types) in one place just doesn't seem right. edit: hopefully, there will be some kind of dire consequence for massing up. Looking like perma death......and god I hope so. Also this is a Vampire game...as evil as it gets... a mature rating shouldn't even be questioned.
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2011.01.09 10:12:00 - [45] i doubt there will be perma-death. to easy to abuse and too hard to balance. i was more thinking along "visibility meter". if one participates in massive gathering their visibility by other increases, which means hunters start attacking more often, and any service by peers becomes more expensive. basically, one becomes jinxed with troubles, unless they take effort to reduce their visibility. not unlike security rating in EVE. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
svetlana Constellation Guard	Posted - 2011.01.09 10:28:00 - [46] aren't vampires already perma-dead? "how do you kill that which has no life?'
Anubis Xian Word Bearers of Chaos	Posted - 2011.01.09 10:34:00 - [47] It might be Permadeath in the Highlander sense rather than the Final Destination sense. It might also be intertwined with the Masquerade. When you violate the Masquerade your Final Death may happen... or something like that. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.01.09 11:31:00 - [48] Originally by: Anubis Xian It might be Permadeath in the Highlander sense rather than the Final Destination sense. It might also be intertwined with the Masquerade. When you violate the Masquerade your Final Death may happen... or something like that. At the very least violation of the Masquerade would have to equal a heavy standing loss with all Camarilla allied vampires and vampire clans.
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2011.01.09 11:39:00 - [49] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Originally by: Anubis Xian It might be Permadeath in the Highlander sense rather than the Final Destination sense. It might also be intertwined with the Masquerade. When you violate the Masquerade your Final Death may happen... or something like that. At the very least violation of the Masquerade would have to equal a heavy standing loss with all Camarilla allied vampires and vampire clans. and don't forget putting you on radar for mages, werewolves, hunters, and just about anyone else. and not in a good way. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Gecko O'Bac Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.09 12:02:00 - [50] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Grimpak Toreador Now that' just mean! àI just can't decide which of the two you're being mean against. The best has yet to come... Wait until a Glittervamp fan encounters a Nosferatu... Hilarity ensues :D (Or better yet, and god please make this happen, if garou are playable, what happens when a glittervamp meets a WoD werewolf :D)

Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.01.09 12:04:00 - [51] Originally by: Jagga Spikes Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Originally by: Anubis Xian It might be Permadeath in the Highlander sense rather than the Final Destination sense. It might also be intertwined with the Masquerade. When you violate the Masquerade your Final Death may happen... or something like that. At the very least violation of the Masquerade would have to equal a heavy standing loss with all Camarilla allied vampires and vampire clans. and don't forget putting you on radar for mages, werewolves, hunters, and just about anyone else. and not in a good way. Definitely would have to put you on the ****-dar. No question.
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2011.01.09 12:06:00 - [52] Originally by: Gecko O'Bac Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Grimpak Toreador Now that' just mean! àI just can't decide which of the two you're being mean against. The best has yet to come... Wait until a Glittervamp fan encounters a Nosferatu... Hilarity ensues :D (Or better yet, and god please make this happen, if garou are playable, what happens when a glittervamp meets a WoD werewolf :D) fun :) at least for the proper-minded garou ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.09 12:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Gecko O'Bac (Or better yet, and god please make this happen, if garou are playable, what happens when a glittervamp meets a WoD werewolf :D) "Chunky salsa" comes to mindà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Gecko O'Bac Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.01.09 12:23:00 - [54] Originally by: Jagga Spikes i doubt there will be perma-death. to easy to abuse and too hard to balance. i was more thinking along "visibility meter". if one participates in massive gathering their visibility by other increases, which means hunters start attacking more often, and any service by peers becomes more expensive. basically, one becomes jinxed with troubles, unless they take effort to reduce their visibility. not unlike security rating in EVE. This actually sound like a very good idea... Npc ambushes in any moment, any place. Sounds even worth trying to gain volountarily for the challenge... Problem will be dealing with death... IIRC there's nothing akin resurrection in WoD (though most "characters" have supernatural resilience and healing abilities), but once you're down basically nothing can save your ass (and it's arguable that in most cases even your "allies", especially in the vampire side, would kick you in the ribs if you get downed...)
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.01.09 12:29:00 - [55] Originally by: Gecko O'Bac Originally by: Jagga Spikes i doubt there will be perma-death. to easy to abuse and too hard to balance. i was more thinking along "visibility meter". if one participates in massive gathering their visibility by other increases, which means hunters start attacking more often, and any service by peers becomes more expensive. basically, one becomes jinxed with troubles, unless they take effort to reduce their visibility. not unlike security rating in EVE. This actually sound like a very good idea... Npc ambushes in any moment, any place. Sounds even worth trying to gain volountarily for the challenge... Problem will be dealing with death... IIRC there's nothing akin resurrection in WoD (though most "characters" have supernatural resilience and healing abilities), but once you're down basically nothing can save your ass (and it's arguable that in most cases even your "allies", especially in the vampire side, would kick you in the ribs if you get downed...) The vampires would be the hardest to hand wave resurrection with story telling, for the reasons you mention. With Garou and Magi it is a matter of reincarnation, or at least some last minute rescue revival. With Vamps it would be open season, especially if your a low generation and helpless, then it becomes all you can eat.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.09 16:34:00 - [56] Edited by: Jada Maroo on 09/01/2011 16:34:59 Anyone expecting this game to be as cutthroat as Eve is going to end up sorely disappointed. This is CCP's chance at a mass market game with an untapped and wildly popular genre and they are not going to waste the opportunity by catering to the kinds of people who are attracted to Eve's griefing mechanics. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the way people play Eve -- I have two accounts here -- but if you're in the MMO business and you have a golden opportunity like World of Darkness you don't look at Eve and say "I want to limit it to those kinds of people." Words like "social" and "more accessible" are very telling. As a role player I'm actually looking forward to it. I hope the vampires-only bit is only talking about supernatural creatures... because I really look forward to playing a human Hunter.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.09 16:44:00 - [57] Edited by: Tippia on 09/01/2011 16:45:28 àspeaking of which, where's my Call of Cthulhu MMO? At least there, death would be easy to handle: if your character goes die or reads to many runes, you lose some rather irrelevant skills and instead pick up the story as old uncle Herb from the same dynasty of far-too-nosy investigators. Originally by: Jada Maroo Anyone expecting this game to be as cutthroat as Eve is going to end up sorely disappointed. This is CCP's chance at a mass market game with an untapped and wildly popular genre and they are not going to waste the opportunity by catering to the kinds of people who are attracted to Eve's griefing mechanics. The thing is, people are having those expectations less because it's CCP and more because that's how the IP works ù if they want to draw on the World of Darkness crowd and properly represent the world, they'll need to create something that's far more cut-throat than EVE could ever hope to beà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tagera	Posted - 2011.01.09 16:45:00 - [58] Well hopefully they add in Humanity. Exactly in the pen and paper after killing a human your humanity drops bit by bit until the Beast overtakes you...then it's Final Death. Oh, and some diablerie would be nice. Drink older vampires blood until they die, gain their abilities. Even though it's very very illegal according to Camarilla law.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.09 17:01:00 - [59] Edited by: Jada Maroo on 09/01/2011 17:01:44 Originally by: Tippia The thing is, people are having those expectations less because it's CCP and more because that's how the IP works ù if they want to draw on the World of Darkness crowd and properly represent the world, they'll need to create something that's far more cut-throat than EVE could ever hope to beà I understand what you're saying I'm just cautioning not to get your hopes up because it will never happen. You are not going to see permadeath in World of Darkness. There will be some added bit of lore that explains why your vampire is brought back to the world. Some sort of curse (or blessing from their POV) that doesn't allow these special vampires to be totally vanquished. I'm a fan of the setting but I wouldn't play any MMO that went the permadeath route, nor would much of anyone. Can you imagine permadeath + Goons? Hilarious? Yes. Is it gonna happen? Zero chance.
PTang	Posted - 2011.01.09 19:32:00 - [60] Originally by: Jada Maroo Edited by: Jada Maroo on 09/01/2011 17:01:44 Originally by: Tippia The thing is, people are having those expectations less because it's CCP and more because that's how the IP works ù if they want to draw on the World of Darkness crowd and properly represent the world, they'll need to create something that's far more cut-throat than EVE could ever hope to beà I understand what you're saying I'm just cautioning not to get your hopes up because it will never happen. You are not going to see permadeath in World of Darkness. There will be some added bit of lore that explains why your vampire is brought back to the world. Some sort of curse (or blessing from their POV) that doesn't allow these special vampires to be totally vanquished. I'm a fan of the setting but I wouldn't play any MMO that went the permadeath route, nor would much of anyone. Can you imagine permadeath + Goons? Hilarious? Yes. Is it gonna happen? Zero chance. ok here is your main failing, sure the CEO of CCP went to watch over the project in atlanta, and sure a lot of CCP artist and prgramers went too. but all in all, the game is not being made by CCP, it's being made by Whitewolf. And anyone that has played This game PnP, and I mean the fact that every single college in america has a group of 50+ people larping it, know s that it's a social game, with little combat, but it's also more cut throat and dark than eve at the same time. And it's all because of permideath. Just the fact you'll never come back seems ok at 1st but then you're like, f that, unless there is a really good reason to risk it. I don't know if it would work in a mmo, but keep in mind Whitewlf is makig World of Darkness, and CCP just happen to buy that company years ago.

Killitt	Posted - 2011.01.09 20:04:00 - [61] It's already been said that at the White Wolf fan fest ..when asked about perma death... the devs smiled. This is going to be an adults game....I think perma death is highly likely.
Madame Gorgeous	Posted - 2011.01.09 21:19:00 - [62] So far there has been alot of talk of the camarilla clans. Since I'm just familiar with the cardgame VtES I'm wondering if there is any room for the sabbat in the ruleset. I mean camarilla in all it's glory but don't you think their traditions and elysiums and stuff are abit too.. civil?
Comrade Tsukae	Posted - 2011.01.09 22:17:00 - [63] Love WOD and glad they chose VtM over VtR(though I like this game too). I will not go near the game if it lacks permadeath. I can in no way see any of the game working properly with the setting unless their is some real permadeath.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.10 01:01:00 - [64] Edited by: Jada Maroo on 10/01/2011 01:06:50 Originally by: Comrade Tsukae I will not go near the game if it lacks permadeath. Don't take this as criticism of you because I don't mean it that way but... people like you are a tiny minority. The vast MMO audience at large won't even go near a game with permadeath. I love the setting and I wouldn't waste my time with a free trial. Literally the only way another player can "permadeath" you in Eve is to hack your account and reprocess your main. Yet look how much of Eve's population stays in high sec just to avoid a loss of implants and ships, let alone a character. And we're supposed to be infamous and hard core. If Eve implemented permadeath tomorrow it would have a drastically smaller player base than it has now, which is already a niche. Can you imagine a dedicated group of griefers (goons ) set loose in a permadeath environment? And what would happen if you lagged out and died? In a small group setting with a dedicated gamemaster, permadeath can work. On an MMO, it just can't function.
PTang	Posted - 2011.01.10 01:17:00 - [65] Edited by: PTang on 10/01/2011 01:19:23 jada, you are not the target playerbase. Whitewolf allready has a loyal following of about 3 million players (number of books sold, if even 10% of them were to play WoD it would be a crazy amount of income for CCP. Those 3 million people have been playing a game with permi-death for over 10 years, and enjoying it just fine, what would change in video game form? edit: I read the rest of your post blush you're right lag and not having a game master would be hard to balance, I still wouldn't write it off yet. Yo wouldn't lose experience or money if you died anyways, just like in WoD now, your experience is tied to the player not the character, Meaning ganking people might not be profitable as it take an amount of xp to make a throw away character. I think it's possible but it would require whitewolf to think WAY out side the box.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.10 01:29:00 - [66] Part of me almost hopes it has permadeath because between Eve, The Old Republic and hopefully (ONE DAY!) The Secret World I really don't know how I'd have time for it.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.01.10 01:46:00 - [67] I don't know anything about the IP, but I do know about CCP products and CCP marketing. CCP is a company that seems to revel in making niche products. I don't doubt them making the more niche choice for a second.
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.01.10 07:49:00 - [68] How exactly would permadeath work in a game, I mean I know what it is from Diablo 2 but how would it work in lets say EVE for example? Originally by: Kool StoryBro <--- Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed. Random forum moments <0>
Comrade Tsukae	Posted - 2011.01.10 08:00:00 - [69] Originally by: Jada Maroo Edited by: Jada Maroo on 10/01/2011 01:06:50 Originally by: Comrade Tsukae I will not go near the game if it lacks permadeath. Don't take this as criticism of you because I don't mean it that way but... people like you are a tiny minority. The vast MMO audience at large won't even go near a game with permadeath. I love the setting and I wouldn't waste my time with a free trial. Literally the only way another player can "permadeath" you in Eve is to hack your account and reprocess your main. Yet look how much of Eve's population stays in high sec just to avoid a loss of implants and ships, let alone a character. And we're supposed to be infamous and hard core. If Eve implemented permadeath tomorrow it would have a drastically smaller player base than it has now, which is already a niche. Can you imagine a dedicated group of griefers (goons ) set loose in a permadeath environment? And what would happen if you lagged out and died? In a small group setting with a dedicated gamemaster, permadeath can work. On an MMO, it just can't function. I understand I might be a minority, but it is the way I feel. Besides, I think this is the type of game permadeath would work well in. It is socially focused as opposed to combat focused. Yeah, there will be fighting, but that does not mean it will always be to the death or even happen that frequently. Oh, and I did not take your response as a criticism of me. We all got our preferences.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.01.10 08:02:00 - [70] Well, if you get to keep your xp, or just experience a slight loss, then it would be like rerolling a character, but with the penalty, at least that is what I surmise. I would like to think they would include the Sabbat, Black Spiral Dancers, and the Nephandi. They probably won't though. And not having permadeath isn't going to keep the GOONS out. Players are going to have to deal with them regardless of mechanics.

Anubis Xian Word Bearers of Chaos	Posted - 2011.01.10 08:44:00 - [71] I know how permadeath can work in any mainstream MMORPG, but that consultation is not free. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. CINA
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.01.10 08:54:00 - [72] Originally by: Anubis Xian I know how permadeath can work in any mainstream MMORPG, but that consultation is not free. Do you take naturals, like goats? support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
ArmyOfMe Pastry Productions Inc. Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.01.10 10:36:00 - [73] Originally by: Anubis Xian I just want Thaumaturgy to not suck. Amen brotha
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.01.10 11:00:00 - [74] Well, I guess I learned today that my character here, 'Jowen', is my 'Coffee Shop' character. I often end up spending more time chatting than anything else when he is logged on. I have long recognized that sometimes I like spending my night with having EVE as nothing more than "a chat channel with a fancy interface", I just never knew it had a name. In fact, I often miss this feature when playing other MMO's. Looks good that CCP is perfectly aware of this game aspect and plan to improve on it. Guess you could say Incarna is a step on this road too. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Kylira Ulfrinn Blackstaff Logistics	Posted - 2011.01.10 12:08:00 - [75] Are we forced to play some poncy camarilla vamp or will the sabbat be an option? Tzimisce > twilight
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.01.10 12:20:00 - [76] Originally by: Kylira Ulfrinn Are we forced to play some poncy camarilla vamp or will the sabbat be an option? Tzimisce > twilight They will need NPC badguys, I'm guessing sabbat will fill that role, or at least be one of the ones filling that role.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.10 12:48:00 - [77] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 10/01/2011 12:53:34 Originally by: PTang Yo wouldn't lose experience or money if you died anyways, just like in WoD now, your experience is tied to the player not the character, Meaning ganking people might not be profitable as it take an amount of xp to make a throw away character. I think it's possible but it would require whitewolf to think WAY out side the box. With my game master (PnP) if we die we will get most of our experience back, but not the contacts and status we had in the city and in our clan. Even if that wasn't an issue, "replacing" one of the characters in the gaming group once in the year (because the character die, become implayable for some reason or the player leave) is very different from each of them being killed an average of once a month by a mob of just rolled characters. That is a serious risk in a MMORPG. On the other side of the coin, WoD without perma-death would be another game. Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Well, if you get to keep your xp, or just experience a slight loss, then it would be like rerolling a character, but with the penalty, at least that is what I surmise. How many times you would reroll your character before leaving?
Forum Guy	Posted - 2011.01.10 13:20:00 - [78] Originally by: Venkul Mul WoD without perma-death would be another game. Imagine playing a game like WoW with perma-death where all servers were PvP. You would be lucky to get to level 10. A level 85 if there was such a thing under those conditions would be rare and could pretty much keep the rest of the population from playing effectively. I just think perma-death does not add much incentive to stay alive as you should not need any incentive to do that. Added incentive just means you don't trust yourself to play properly. All perma-death will do is give the real griefers a field day especially if they get organised. I certainly would not waste my time on a game that has perma-death. Also a lot of players that play MMOs are solo players. The reason they play MMOs is because the AI systems of games become quickly predictable and other people are the best way to add real unpredictability. Solo players just would not survive in a perma-death environment which means you are already restricting your potential player base numbers.
Killitt	Posted - 2011.01.11 03:33:00 - [79] Remember .... this is ccp. I seriously doubt there will be levels of any sort. Perma death will make the game much more imersive and force politics far more.... sure in a game like wow perma death would never work ..... but this won't be wow it will be world of darkness. I do agree with o.p however. There should be a forum up for wod. It would probably even start a pre coffee shop CCP wants.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.01.11 04:00:00 - [80] Originally by: Forum Guy All perma-death will do is give the real griefers a field day especially if they get organised. I certainly would not waste my time on a game that has perma-death. ... Solo players just would not survive in a perma-death environment which means you are already restricting your potential player base numbers. I'm torn between not wanting permadeath so that I can actually try out World of Darkness and wanting permadeath since I know it'll mean very few players, it will fail, and they can refocus on Eve.

Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.01.11 04:01:00 - [81] As long as theres no superweapons, like elite vampires that one shot everything and mechanics that favour skill rather than numbers. If the death mechanics are similiar to eve I dont think people would mind, but if its like wow, lol yeh then you may as well stop making the game. Originally by: Kool StoryBro <--- Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed. Random forum moments <0>
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.11 04:03:00 - [82] just please, oh please, don't make us wait to skill up. Make it so that we play to skill up, or something like it. I'm so bored waiting for cov. ops to train up...
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.01.11 05:50:00 - [83] Originally by: Selinate just please, oh please, don't make us wait to skill up. Make it so that we play to skill up, or something like it. I'm so bored waiting for cov. ops to train up... You are not BS V material... support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.11 07:24:00 - [84] Originally by: Forum Guy Imagine playing a game like WoW with perma-death where all servers were PvP. You would be lucky to get to level 10. A level 85 if there was such a thing under those conditions would be rare and could pretty much keep the rest of the population from playing effectively. And that's a good explanation why games such as WoW are fundamentally flawed.] ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.11 07:38:00 - [85] Perma death will work if: 1) it is extremely rare 2) require a meaningful effort and can't be done simply for lulz As achieving that in a MMORPG is very hard as building "throw away" characters generally is easy it will be very hard to find a acceptable balance. But a WoD game where the same guy constantly return from the grave and there is no risk of permanent loss is way different from the original game.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.01.11 08:09:00 - [86] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 11/01/2011 08:09:42 Hm.. with some replacing there.. Originally by: Venkul Mul ~~Perma death~~ Titans will work if: 1) it is extremely rare 2) require a meaningful effort and can't be done simply for lulz As achieving that in a MMORPG is very hard as building ~~"throw away" characters~~ Titans generally is easy it will be very hard to find an acceptable balance. snip Looks about right to me. CCP should be the most qualified for this task if you ask me. They at least have an idea what they try to achieve there.. support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
1600 RT	Posted - 2011.01.11 10:30:00 - [87] 1st i never played WOD but imho permadead in a mmo is possible as long it doesnt take you 6month to get to a point (char skill/exp) where you are competitive with the others. if the game its made in a way where players skills matter alot more than the character skills and these are not hard to get like some base skills + a couple of days to be competitive then permadeath could be possible. if the character evolution is similar to eve whee you can skill for years to be able to do something and you can losse it all with a single death i doubt someone would risk that much
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop	Posted - 2011.01.11 11:09:00 - [88] Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 11/01/2011 08:09:42 Hm.. with some replacing there.. Originally by: Venkul Mul ~~Perma death~~ Titans will work if: 1) it is extremely rare 2) require a meaningful effort and can't be done simply for lulz As achieving that in a MMORPG is very hard as building ~~"throw away" characters~~ Titans generally is easy it will be very hard to find an acceptable balance. snip Looks about right to me. CCP should be the most qualified for this task if you ask me. They at least have an idea what they try to achieve there.. character is not only power. power loss, yes. perma-death, not likely. i have no doubt CCP will make it worthwhile to run on edge, but a lot points to wide appeal. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Hounds of Anarchy	Posted - 2011.01.11 11:48:00 - [89] Originally by: 1600 RT 1st i never played WOD but imho permadead in a mmo is possible as long it doesnt take you 6month to get to a point (char skill/exp) where you are competitive with the others. if the game its made in a way where players skills matter alot more than the character skills and these are not hard to get like some base skills + a couple of days to be competitive then permadeath could be possible. if the character evolution is similar to eve whee you can skill for years to be able to do something and you can losse it all with a single death i doubt someone would risk that much Mortal online did it right on that department since the SP ceiling there is just 1000. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
M'ktakh	Posted - 2011.01.11 11:56:00 - [90] Originally by: Grimpak Mortal online did it right on that department since the SP ceiling there is just 1000. Very good idea. WoD is much more about social interaction, manipulation and power plays, and not third-gen munchkining (insert "What Moon?" joke here). The players should be neonates, newborn, fledling little creeps just coming to terms with their newfound exsistance and slowly moving up the rank ladder of the Camarilla (methinks its going to be Camarilla in base game, then sabbath/neutrals, then other WoD things). Your own supernatural powers ought to be quite weak. OTOH: how would you model the economy of WoD? We cant really set up blood farms above the sustainable level, or one would get whacked by the Sheriff.

Anubis Xian Word Bearers of Chaos	Posted - 2011.01.11 17:36:00 - [91] I want to be able to build a harem. Sort of like how you can in VTM:B with the Companion mod. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. CINA
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2011.01.11 17:38:00 - [92] Originally by: Tres Farmer Originally by: Selinate just please, oh please, don't make us wait to skill up. Make it so that we play to skill up, or something like it. I'm so bored waiting for cov. ops to train up... You are not BS V material... You're right, I have no desire to train up for marauders or capital ships.
Selene Asteria	Posted - 2011.01.11 19:18:00 - [93] I'd like to start off as human.....then being turned in game ....... I think this could open up many possibilities .
Erin Eraser	Posted - 2011.01.11 19:33:00 - [94] Whenever I read threads on this I think of the t.v. show charmed and dont look at the game at all. I was ex's sister always had charmed on in the house all the time and I wanted to kill myself Is this show going to be like charmed the tv show
Selene Asteria	Posted - 2011.01.11 19:53:00 - [95] Originally by: Erin Eraser Whenever I read threads on this I think of the t.v. show charmed and dont look at the game at all. I was ex's sister always had charmed on in the house all the time and I wanted to kill myself Is this show going to be like charmed the tv show All you have to do is watch the teaser vid they put out.....if your still not satisfied ,read a few eve chronicles.....ccp is one dark bunch. That being said..... this game needs to break the mold and be a true adults game.
Erin Eraser	Posted - 2011.01.11 19:57:00 - [96] Originally by: Selene Asteria Originally by: Erin Eraser Whenever I read threads on this I think of the t.v. show charmed and dont look at the game at all. I was ex's sister always had charmed on in the house all the time and I wanted to kill myself Is this show going to be like charmed the tv show All you have to do is watch the teaser vid they put out.....if your still not satisfied ,read a few eve chronicles.....ccp is one dark bunch. That being said..... this game needs to break the mold and be a true adults game. \ Looks pretty cool if's it's sandboxy/player created enough I'll def. play it. Also, lol at the guys shiny bald head in front of the camera
PsyBlade Caldari Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.01.11 20:36:00 - [97] I love all the Camarilla fans running around here and how they all want to be them. Assamite for life. I do hope it will be one world server, imagine travelling to london, new york or the likes and hunt there, imagine that you have to ask permission from a prince in a city. Or that the sabbat is sieging a city to wrestle it out of control from the cammie lovers. I say, bring the war! --- "Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive." Sun Tzu - Art of War
Medarr Amarr ZeroSec	Posted - 2011.01.11 21:37:00 - [98] I wonder if they have hooded robes, must have hoods.
Killitt	Posted - 2011.01.11 22:59:00 - [99] I wonder if it will be microtransactions or subscription ....seeing how dust is going to be micros.
Alsione Ailermane Amarr Incidental Damage -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.01.11 22:59:00 - [100] Originally by: PsyBlade I love all the Camarilla fans running around here and how they all want to be them. Assamite for life. I do hope it will be one world server, imagine travelling to london, new york or the likes and hunt there, imagine that you have to ask permission from a prince in a city. Or that the sabbat is sieging a city to wrestle it out of control from the cammie lovers. I say, bring the war! I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it is going to be centered around nWOD, not oWOD. WW even said that bloodlines was the last game that would use the oWOD systems and lore. This is sad to me as I LOVE oWOD and don't really care for the lore in nWOD, but will definitely play the title.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.11 23:04:00 - [101] Originally by: Alsione Ailermane I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it is going to be centered around nWOD, not oWOD. Nah. It's the classic setting from what they've said so far. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
PsyBlade Caldari Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.01.11 23:36:00 - [102] Originally by: Alsione Ailermane Originally by: PsyBlade I love all the Camarilla fans running around here and how they all want to be them. Assamite for life. I do hope it will be one world server, imagine travelling to london, new york or the likes and hunt there, imagine that you have to ask permission from a prince in a city. Or that the sabbat is sieging a city to wrestle it out of control from the cammie lovers. I say, bring the war! I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it is going to be centered around nWOD, not oWOD. WW even said that bloodlines was the last game that would use the oWOD systems and lore. This is sad to me as I LOVE oWOD and don't really care for the lore in nWOD, but will definitely play the title. it's going to be focused on the oWoD, check here and then look for the based on. WW got bought by CCP and they been working on the WoD setting for a while now. So my hopes will be. Full WoD setting, in due time with: Mages, Ghosts, hunters, KotE and Werewolves. if KotE comes in, I am so will be making a Devil Tiger and will be showing the silly Kindred the power of the Kue-Jin --- "Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive." Sun Tzu - Art of War
Alsione Ailermane Amarr Incidental Damage -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:06:00 - [103] Originally by: PsyBlade Originally by: Alsione Ailermane Originally by: PsyBlade I love all the Camarilla fans running around here and how they all want to be them. Assamite for life. I do hope it will be one world server, imagine travelling to london, new york or the likes and hunt there, imagine that you have to ask permission from a prince in a city. Or that the sabbat is sieging a city to wrestle it out of control from the cammie lovers. I say, bring the war! I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it is going to be centered around nWOD, not oWOD. WW even said that bloodlines was the last game that would use the oWOD systems and lore. This is sad to me as I LOVE oWOD and don't really care for the lore in nWOD, but will definitely play the title. it's going to be focused on the oWoD, check here and then look for the based on. WW got bought by CCP and they been working on the WoD setting for a while now. So my hopes will be. Full WoD setting, in due time with: Mages, Ghosts, hunters, KotE and Werewolves. if KotE comes in, I am so will be making a Devil Tiger and will be showing the silly Kindred the power of the Kue-Jin This makes me very happy to learn. oWOD is a million times better than nWOD.
PsyBlade Caldari Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.01.12 00:13:00 - [104] Originally by: Alsione Ailermane Originally by: PsyBlade Originally by: Alsione Ailermane Originally by: PsyBlade I love all the Camarilla fans running around here and how they all want to be them. Assamite for life. I do hope it will be one world server, imagine travelling to london, new york or the likes and hunt there, imagine that you have to ask permission from a prince in a city. Or that the sabbat is sieging a city to wrestle it out of control from the cammie lovers. I say, bring the war! I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it is going to be centered around nWOD, not oWOD. WW even said that bloodlines was the last game that would use the oWOD systems and lore. This is sad to me as I LOVE oWOD and don't really care for the lore in nWOD, but will definitely play the title. it's going to be focused on the oWoD, check here and then look for the based on. WW got bought by CCP and they been working on the WoD setting for a while now. So my hopes will be. Full WoD setting, in due time with: Mages, Ghosts, hunters, KotE and Werewolves. if KotE comes in, I am so will be making a Devil Tiger and will be showing the silly Kindred the power of the Kue-Jin This makes me very happy to learn. oWOD is a million times better than nWOD. Same here, been an old time oWoD player with the tabletop RPG (pulled some crazy stuff in there...) --- "Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive." Sun Tzu - Art of War
EnslaverOfMinmatar Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.01.12 01:15:00 - [105] When is the beta? uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
Selene Asteria	Posted - 2011.01.12 07:44:00 - [106] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar When is the beta? Supposedly a year from now.......but who knows......ccp says nothing... a little overboard on the silence if you asked me.
PsyBlade Caldari Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.01.12 09:24:00 - [107] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar When is the beta? There is a rumor they will be showcasing something at fanfest (hoping that since I will be there!) --- "Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive." Sun Tzu - Art of War
Selene Asteria	Posted - 2011.01.12 18:28:00 - [108] Originally by: PsyBlade Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar When is the beta? There is a rumor they will be showcasing something at fanfest (hoping that since I will be there!) That's exciting ...... hmm I wonder if future fanfest's will mix eve and wod. That's a frightening prospect. Haha
PsyBlade Caldari Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.01.12 19:19:00 - [109] Originally by: Selene Asteria Originally by: PsyBlade Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar When is the beta? There is a rumor they will be showcasing something at fanfest (hoping that since I will be there!) That's exciting ...... hmm I wonder if future fanfest's will mix eve and wod. That's a frightening prospect. Haha I can see it happening.... dude 1: And then I went into london, introduced myself to the prince and got hunted down dude 2: I dropped my cyno and cyno'ed in the titan to kill the other titan dude 1: erhm... spaceships in wod? dude! dude 2: gtfo of my fanfest! eve was first! dude 1: I use my obfuscate to get away... I think that sums it up... --- "Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive." Sun Tzu - Art of War
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2011.01.12 19:43:00 - [110] Originally by: CCP Dropbear WoD info. Originally by: The Evil Website Will be vampire-only to start. BAW!!! I was really looking forward to playing Garou, Gurahl, or (especially!) Corax. Huge disappointment for me. I'm still interested and I'll certainly give it a try anyway. Maybe Gangrel will be enough if there's some shape shifting involved. - "When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed." - CCP Big Dumb Object

Iraherag	Posted - 2011.01.12 21:39:00 - [111] So glad we are finally allowed to discuss other games in GD without getting it moved to OOPE...
Selene Asteria	Posted - 2011.01.12 22:46:00 - [112] Originally by: Iraherag So glad we are finally allowed to discuss other games in GD without getting it moved to OOPE... Look kids!....Debbie Downer's got a new avatar.
Iraherag	Posted - 2011.01.13 08:56:00 - [113] Originally by: Selene Asteria Originally by: Iraherag So glad we are finally allowed to discuss other games in GD without getting it moved to OOPE... BAWWWWWWW, someone was mean to me and my vampires... Oh don't you cry, my little girl. See, the GMs are nice and bend the forum rules a little bit for you. So you can still play with your nice and pretty dolls here on the EVE Online forums. Isn't that great?!
Selene Asteria	Posted - 2011.01.13 09:29:00 - [114] Originally by: Iraherag Originally by: Selene Asteria Originally by: Iraherag So glad we are finally allowed to discuss other games in GD without getting it moved to OOPE... BAWWWWWWW, someone was mean to me and my vampires... Oh don't you cry, my little girl. See, the GMs are nice and bend the forum rules a little bit for you. So you can still play with your nice and pretty dolls here on the EVE Online forums. Isn't that great?! Thanks for the bump?....and....seriously ...are you mad?
Kalle Demos Amarr Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2011.01.13 11:09:00 - [115] Originally by: Iraherag So glad we are finally allowed to discuss other games in GD without getting it moved to OOPE... WOD isnt just any other game, its the game that will kick EVE in the balls, I cant wait for it to come out tbh Originally by: Kool StoryBro <--- Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed. Random forum moments <0>
PsyBlade Caldari Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.01.13 18:03:00 - [116] Originally by: Iraherag Originally by: Selene Asteria Originally by: Iraherag So glad we are finally allowed to discuss other games in GD without getting it moved to OOPE... BAWWWWWWW, someone was mean to me and my vampires... Oh don't you cry, my little girl. See, the GMs are nice and bend the forum rules a little bit for you. So you can still play with your nice and pretty dolls here on the EVE Online forums. Isn't that great?! tumble... weed.... --- "Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive." Sun Tzu - Art of War
Sarmatiko	Posted - 2011.01.13 18:33:00 - [117] Please CCP can we have this WoD trailer in high-res in CCPGAMES youtube channel? Why not publish it in normal quality without bald head on the screen?
Wandom Wapist	Posted - 2011.01.13 18:38:00 - [118] Vampire loving emo homo's. Get out of this game....
Bhattran	Posted - 2011.01.13 18:48:00 - [119] Originally by: Wandom Wapist Vampire loving emo homo's. Get out of this game.... Don't you like twilight, everyone loves twilight and all vampires are twilight by default because of twilight. PS: Twilight. /me sparkles --WIS/Incarna/Ambulation where microtransactions come to play, and uh bars.--
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.01.13 18:48:00 - [120] Originally by: Wandom Wapist Vampire loving emo homo's. Get out of this game.... Not familiar with the IP, are you? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

PsyBlade Caldari Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.01.13 20:10:00 - [121] Originally by: Wandom Wapist Vampire loving emo homo's. Get out of this game.... calling WoD vampires emo... you be funny... ps. hope you enjoyed your monthly Twilight session! --- "Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive." Sun Tzu - Art of War
Dregar	Posted - 2011.01.13 20:31:00 - [122] Is this just going to be a Vampire/Garou game? I can't see how anyone could translate Mage rules into a computer game. If it's just leeches and dogs I'm going to skip this one. If Mages are going to be implemented, how could it be anything but set spells and abilities which are completely in the face of Mage's reality bending 'true magick'.
PsyBlade Caldari Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.01.14 15:59:00 - [123] Originally by: Dregar Is this just going to be a Vampire/Garou game? I can't see how anyone could translate Mage rules into a computer game. If it's just leeches and dogs I'm going to skip this one. If Mages are going to be implemented, how could it be anything but set spells and abilities which are completely in the face of Mage's reality bending 'true magick'. for the time being, only Kindred, that is all we know, but I wouldn't be surprised if they add more to it later on --- "Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive." Sun Tzu - Art of War
Faolan Fortune	Posted - 2011.01.14 17:24:00 - [124] I've only played VTMB, but that had me hooked for a long time. If WOD has that kinda of gritty atmosphere I'm definitely signing up for it. To see new mmo NOT based on WoW with actual adult elements would be refreshing to say the least.
PsyBlade Caldari Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.01.14 17:52:00 - [125] Originally by: Faolan Fortune I've only played VTMB, but that had me hooked for a long time. If WOD has that kinda of gritty atmosphere I'm definitely signing up for it. To see new mmo NOT based on WoW with actual adult elements would be refreshing to say the least. we need a gritty, dark mmo that isn't based around elves, dworves etc.... gimme oWoD! --- "Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive." Sun Tzu - Art of War
SebbyTheFreak Caldari Vagrant Troubadours of the Vast Expenses	Posted - 2011.01.16 06:50:00 - [126] Originally by: Corcyrus Endymion Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Originally by: Kalle Demos WOD = EvE without spaceships and with Vampires (hopefully) No. It makes no sense to do the same game twice. CCP will utilize some lessons they learned from EVE and put it to good use, but they will try to cater to a totally different audience. Yes and it makes a whole lot sense to make something entirely different with which they have zero experience and that will most likely then compete in one of the most cutthroat gaming markets currently out there. I know I'm replying to a post on page one... but it made me cringe hard enough to have to do something... "Because CCP had so much experience under their belt when they made their first and only game, EvE. What a terrible failure that was"
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.01.16 08:44:00 - [127] Originally by: Dregar Is this just going to be a Vampire/Garou game? I can't see how anyone could translate Mage rules into a computer game. If it's just leeches and dogs I'm going to skip this one. If Mages are going to be implemented, how could it be anything but set spells and abilities which are completely in the face of Mage's reality bending 'true magick'. You're telling me you never used a rote to save your ass? I call bull****.


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