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Fallan Fraud
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Posted - 2011.01.08 18:27:00 -
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With the old character creator. A person's race was largely up to which attributes he wanted. This later changed somewhat recently, I can't remember when the attribute system was made generic. For instance, if you wanted high perception for Caldari you went Achura. And Brutor for the matar was will power maybe and perception. These things obviously influenced which race people chose.
Even if a person was white they had to chose a black or asain character. Being that the Achura male looks like a timid 13 year old most people chose Achura females.
This whole thing led to a lot of black guys and asain women who were played by white men.
Now genetically we are predisposed to attribute attractive features to as a whole a set similar to ours. I wont get into which set is truly more attractive anyway. But presupposing that most of the people who play this game are white and very few other minorities in comparison. This racial user gap will be put front and center for all to see.
As in many, many more character with Caucasian features. Much, much less with other features.
How will this impact the game, when you will be able to presume for instance that a player is black by the way he created it?
Will these players be griefed more?
How will it effect fleet dynamics?
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Apo Lyptica
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Posted - 2011.01.08 18:33:00 -
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yes, because while im killing someone i look at the avatar first?
this dont matter, there are alot of asains/russians, but ive only personally met one black person in game... but why does it matter? we are all pixels on a screen, and the only racism in this game is against the gallente and caldari.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.01.08 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 08/01/2011 18:34:44
Originally by: Fallan Fraud Being that the Achura male looks like a timid 13 year old most people chose Achura females.
i think you forgot a '0' there. 
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Tom Fulleride
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.01.08 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Apo Lyptica yes, because while im killing someone i look at the avatar first?
However, he statistics on bloodline choice if we are allowed to reselect would be interesting to compare to that which we see now.
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Jaina Sunspot
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.08 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II also, all nerds like hawt asians (+ Natalie Portman and Summer Glau but these are not in EVE), so your theory has to be wrong.
Yeah Summer Glau is definatly Asian. 
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Master Hamster
Testing on Humans
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Posted - 2011.01.08 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Fallan Fraud when you will be able to presume for instance that a player is black by the way he created it? Will these players be griefed more?
Obviously yes due to dong envy.
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Kirtama Oinnatsu
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Posted - 2011.01.08 20:32:00 -
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With all these references to players, you seem to think that people only create characters based on what they really look like in real life?
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2011.01.08 20:42:00 -
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I just thought my guy looked cool. I dont look anything like him in rl. Theory disproved. Science ftw.
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Ryhss
Caldari 42nd Airborn
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Posted - 2011.01.08 20:51:00 -
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Does this mean more or less Lenny Kravitz avatars?
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Steve Celeste
Overdogs
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Posted - 2011.01.08 20:58:00 -
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Primary is the black guy!

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Jaina Sunspot
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.08 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jaina Sunspot on 08/01/2011 21:16:06
Originally by: Steve Celeste Primary is the black guy!

HR: How many years have you been a Fleet Commander with this Corperation? FC: About two year, look what is this about? HR: I have gotten a few complaints from some of your coworkers about your preformance. FC: What do you mean? I have an excellent record for success. HR: It isn't that, people are complaining about who you primary. FC: You mean ECM and Logi? HR: And it just happens that they all happen to be Black or Asian... FC: I honestly do not know what to tell you, I have been doing my job here for a long time and this is preposterous, I am not a racist. HR: I would like to believe you but your record just shows differently, we are gonna have to let you go. FC: This is Bull****! ----------------------- At an Enamy Outpost.
HR: I am here here to talk about your latest stratagy, what did you call it? FC: Put the Blacks and Asians out first. HR: Yes that... Great Job.
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Brutus King
Minmatar Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2011.01.08 21:32:00 -
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I look almost exactly like my portrait and I am persecuted both in-game and out.
On reflection, maybe I should get the hemerrhoids sorted out.
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Burtzum
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Posted - 2011.01.09 00:34:00 -
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I never cared to min-max my attributes back when race mattered. Even if I was making a fighting character I wouldn't choose Achura because they are Caldari and they look like big nosed dorks. I always chose Minmatar because I liked their personality the most. I could play a Gallente, but never Amarr or Caldari. Yeah, I actually read the descriptions of the races when making a character. And I usually put some points into Intelligence regardless, because I don't like having a "stupid character". Even if that meant my character actually is "stupid" since it isn't min-maxed. I'm just weird like that.
Then within Minmatar I always chose Sebiestor, partly due to their description, and partly due to the fact I could make a pasty bald dude that looks like Nosferatu or the bad guy from Farscape. I better be able to make a Sebiestor Nosferatu in the new character builder!
But uhh yeah, if they let us re-choose race I suspect there will be far less asian males, and less black people unless Brutor are the only ones with aviator shades. And unfortunately we will probably see even more boring crew-cut Caldari muscle heads. From what I've seen of the new Sebiestor they look like weird eggheaded Spocks so if allowed I may chose one of the other Minmatar races if I can't have a decent Nosferatu.
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Leando
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Posted - 2011.01.09 01:27:00 -
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does this mean the black dudes get big *****'s ??
If so then Im gonna become 1.
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Eduar
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Posted - 2011.01.09 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Leando does this mean the black dudes get big *****'s ??
If so then Im gonna become 1.
It is called a negroplasty. It's a good idea if you want to become tall and black. Otherwise I would not recommend it.
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.01.09 01:37:00 -
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Confirming, I will roam jita checking portraits, and if your hat is not poofy enough, I WILL kill you.
Gullible
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor Elite PWNED THEORY
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Posted - 2011.01.09 01:41:00 -
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.01.09 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Pancakes are an acceptable alternative assuming they are of the proper fluffiness.
Gullible
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Uzrial
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Posted - 2011.01.09 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Fallan Fraud With the old character creator. A person's race was largely up to which attributes he wanted. This later changed somewhat recently, I can't remember when the attribute system was made generic. For instance, if you wanted high perception for Caldari you went Achura. And Brutor for the matar was will power maybe and perception. These things obviously influenced which race people chose.
Even if a person was white they had to chose a black or asain character. Being that the Achura male looks like a timid 13 year old most people chose Achura females.
This whole thing led to a lot of black guys and asain women who were played by white men.
Now genetically we are predisposed to attribute attractive features to as a whole a set similar to ours. I wont get into which set is truly more attractive anyway. But presupposing that most of the people who play this game are white and very few other minorities in comparison. This racial user gap will be put front and center for all to see.
As in many, many more character with Caucasian features. Much, much less with other features.
How will this impact the game, when you will be able to presume for instance that a player is black by the way he created it?
Will these players be griefed more?
How will it effect fleet dynamics?
I'm sorry but this entire line of thought is fail. As a Medical Anthropologist student I really have to step in and say 'stop it'. You presuppose the majority of people in this game are white. What would you clarify as a majority? Sure China is out since they get their own server but that still leaves about 5.2 billion possibilities.
You also use the term 'Caucasian', this automatically tells me you have no idea what you are talking about since this isn't even a scientific term, and is used exclusively in a political context.
Finally there are no such things as 'race', people around the world simply possess varying degrees of skin color and pigmentation. Additionally, populations possess slight physical differences depending on their exact geographical origin (ie where they adapted). Now if you believe that humans were magically created and specific sub groups were created, well that's your own issue, but don't start mixing your spiritualistic stuff with observational science.
What is wrong with someone wanting to look different in a GAME? If this was a problem I think Blizzard would be out of business by now or everyone would just play as a human, but I digress. The mere fact that you would think people would grief others based the color of someones 'made-up' avatar speaks volumes about yourself. In your real life, do you constantly view people and judge their worth and abilities based on the color of their skin or slight variation in facial features. Just because you may does not mean the rest of us do.
"Negroid" "Mongoloid" "Caucasoid" these terms are baseless and no longer have any scientific use. CCP merely uses a very simple system to create separate factions or populations of people.
Failure has been achieved
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Alpheias
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Posted - 2011.01.09 05:36:00 -
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こんにちは!私がとても可愛いです! |
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Xyfu
Minmatar Applied Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.01.09 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias こんにちは!私がとても可愛いです!
CURSE YOU KANJI. _____ ^ That is a sig line. It should be there without me having to put one in. |

Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.09 08:02:00 -
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Not only am I black, I'm Haitian. Can you tell?
Does it matter?
It doesn't.
This thread is dumb please don't post again.
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Rachel Ironwill
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.09 08:33:00 -
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God forbid creating avatars that look different from what you really lokk like in real life!!
I've always been wondering why guys making male avatars that look no way like they are in real life has never been a problem, but when guys make female avatars there's always someone saying "OMG you're not a female!!" ... Have you ever heard something like "OMG you dont have a beard!!" or "OMG you're not blonde!!"
Race, sex, appearence.. it really doesn't matter, it's a game, he who griefs people because he presumes the person playing is somewhat different hasn't understood a thing at all.
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Baneken
Gallente School of the Unseen
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Posted - 2011.01.09 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Aiwha
Pancakes are an acceptable alternative assuming they are of the proper fluffiness.
you mean it's mouldy ?
Originally by: Alpheias こんにちは!私がとても可愛いです!
Google found 4,7mil hits for that phrase. 
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |

Xyfu
Minmatar Applied Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.01.09 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rachel Ironwill Edited by: Rachel Ironwill on 09/01/2011 08:40:32 God forbid creating avatars that look different from what you really lokk like in real life!!
I've always been wondering why guys making male avatars that look no way like they are in real life has never been a problem, but when guys make female avatars there's always someone saying "OMG you're not a female!!" ... Have you ever heard something like "OMG you dont have a beard!!" or "OMG you're not blonde!!"
Race, sex, appearence.. it really doesn't matter, it's a game, he who griefs people because he presumes the person playing is somewhat different hasn't understood a thing at all.
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I've been playing Dark Age of Camelot for a long time, I had like 10 different characters... was I going to make them look all the same?
Maybe some people consider avatars like a projection of themselves in the game, I consider avatars like toons I control.
Just skimread this, but I kinda understand both sides. On the one hand, yeah, I don't have a beard, (and I don't own aviators because I am not a pedophile), but on the other hand, I could grow a beard. I can't grow a vagina. _____ ^ That is a sig line. It should be there without me having to put one in. |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.01.09 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Xyfu
Originally by: Rachel Ironwill Edited by: Rachel Ironwill on 09/01/2011 08:40:32 God forbid creating avatars that look different from what you really lokk like in real life!!
I've always been wondering why guys making male avatars that look no way like they are in real life has never been a problem, but when guys make female avatars there's always someone saying "OMG you're not a female!!" ... Have you ever heard something like "OMG you dont have a beard!!" or "OMG you're not blonde!!"
Race, sex, appearence.. it really doesn't matter, it's a game, he who griefs people because he presumes the person playing is somewhat different hasn't understood a thing at all.
edit:
I've been playing Dark Age of Camelot for a long time, I had like 10 different characters... was I going to make them look all the same?
Maybe some people consider avatars like a projection of themselves in the game, I consider avatars like toons I control.
Just skimread this, but I kinda understand both sides. On the one hand, yeah, I don't have a beard, (and I don't own aviators because I am not a pedophile), but on the other hand, I could grow a beard. I can't grow a vagina.
Well, you may not have a vagina, but you do have a awful lot of sand.  |

Atirix
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Posted - 2011.01.09 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: "Uzrial" I'm sorry but this entire line of thought is fail. As a Medical Anthropologist student I really have to step in and say 'stop it'. You presuppose the majority of people in this game are white. What would you clarify as a majority? Sure China is out since they get their own server but that still leaves about 5.2 billion possibilities.
You also use the term 'Caucasian', this automatically tells me you have no idea what you are talking about since this isn't even a scientific term, and is used exclusively in a political context.
Finally there are no such things as 'race', people around the world simply possess varying degrees of skin color and pigmentation. Additionally, populations possess slight physical differences depending on their exact geographical origin (ie where they adapted). Now if you believe that humans were magically created and specific sub groups were created, well that's your own issue, but don't start mixing your spiritualistic stuff with observational science.
"Negroid" "Mongoloid" "Caucasoid" these terms are baseless and no longer have any scientific use. CCP merely uses a very simple system to create separate factions or populations of people.
Failure has been achieved
No way of knowing for sure, but I would definitely presuppose that the majority of people in this game are white. Considering the majority of players on tranquility are from the US which has a majority of "white" people. I think the UK and the rest of Europe (it's a continent, I know) is also a majority of Cauc-, I mean, "light skinned" people, too. I won't say Caucasian because I can only use scientific terms when talking to you apparently, even though the term has been used and widely recognized for decades.
No such thing as race? Really? Maybe to you. Maybe to your professor, not to the rest of the world who discriminate, hate and kill over this non existent thing called race.
I disagree with the op and this entire thread is epic fail, however your response is definitely on the same level as the op.
Maybe it's time to swallow some of that arrogance and realize you are still a "student".
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Yiffi
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Posted - 2011.01.09 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Uzrial I'm sorry but this entire line of thought is fail. As a Medical Anthropologist student I really have to step in and say 'stop it'. You presuppose the majority of people in this game are white. What would you clarify as a majority? Sure China is out since they get their own server but that still leaves about 5.2 billion possibilities.
You also use the term 'Caucasian', this automatically tells me you have no idea what you are talking about since this isn't even a scientific term, and is used exclusively in a political context.
Finally there are no such things as 'race', people around the world simply possess varying degrees of skin color and pigmentation. Additionally, populations possess slight physical differences depending on their exact geographical origin (ie where they adapted). Now if you believe that humans were magically created and specific sub groups were created, well that's your own issue, but don't start mixing your spiritualistic stuff with observational science.
What is wrong with someone wanting to look different in a GAME? If this was a problem I think Blizzard would be out of business by now or everyone would just play as a human, but I digress. The mere fact that you would think people would grief others based the color of someones 'made-up' avatar speaks volumes about yourself. In your real life, do you constantly view people and judge their worth and abilities based on the color of their skin or slight variation in facial features. Just because you may does not mean the rest of us do.
"Negroid" "Mongoloid" "Caucasoid" these terms are baseless and no longer have any scientific use. CCP merely uses a very simple system to create separate factions or populations of people.
Failure has been achieved
SomeoneÆs been a good little student and listened carefully to everything his Marxist teachers have taught. That being a bunch of political correct bull****.
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Lilja Maliddar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.09 13:18:00 -
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To sum the OPs opnion up: People are racists. Some may be, but I guess the majority couldnt care less during a heated fight...
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Uzrial
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Posted - 2011.01.09 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Uzrial on 09/01/2011 17:25:31 Edited by: Uzrial on 09/01/2011 17:21:32
Originally by: Atirix
Originally by: "Uzrial" I'm sorry but this entire line of thought is fail. As a Medical Anthropologist student I really have to step in and say 'stop it'. You presuppose the majority of people in this game are white. What would you clarify as a majority? Sure China is out since they get their own server but that still leaves about 5.2 billion possibilities.
You also use the term 'Caucasian', this automatically tells me you have no idea what you are talking about since this isn't even a scientific term, and is used exclusively in a political context.
Finally there are no such things as 'race', people around the world simply possess varying degrees of skin color and pigmentation. Additionally, populations possess slight physical differences depending on their exact geographical origin (ie where they adapted). Now if you believe that humans were magically created and specific sub groups were created, well that's your own issue, but don't start mixing your spiritualistic stuff with observational science.
"Negroid" "Mongoloid" "Caucasoid" these terms are baseless and no longer have any scientific use. CCP merely uses a very simple system to create separate factions or populations of people.
Failure has been achieved
No way of knowing for sure, but I would definitely presuppose that the majority of people in this game are white. Considering the majority of players on tranquility are from the US which has a majority of "white" people. I think the UK and the rest of Europe (it's a continent, I know) is also a majority of Cauc-, I mean, "light skinned" people, too. I won't say Caucasian because I can only use scientific terms when talking to you apparently, even though the term has been used and widely recognized for decades.
No such thing as race? Really? Maybe to you. Maybe to your professor, not to the rest of the world who discriminate, hate and kill over this non existent thing called race.
I disagree with the op and this entire thread is epic fail, however your response is definitely on the same level as the op.
Maybe it's time to swallow some of that arrogance and realize you are still a "student".
I had to edit my response. After a few minutes I realized it just isn't worth arguing about.
Peace I'm out
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StillBorn CrackBaby
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Posted - 2011.01.09 17:50:00 -
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I'd kiil myself before becoming a greasy Achura...
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Orpheus Terminus
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Posted - 2011.01.09 18:23:00 -
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It's related to social ingrouping and outgrouping. Also genetically people are attracted to traits similar to their own. This is for breeding. Of course this isn't 100% as the marxist anthropological dunce in this thread is probably attracted to glasses wearing goats named Karl.
Race exists, it effects people even if not consciously. It's a fact.
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Atra Hasis
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Posted - 2011.01.09 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Orpheus Terminus It's related to social ingrouping and outgrouping. Also genetically people are attracted to traits similar to their own. This is for breeding. Of course this isn't 100% as the marxist anthropological dunce in this thread is probably attracted to glasses wearing goats named Karl.
Race exists, it effects people even if not consciously. It's a fact.
Quoting wikipedia is not exactly the road to making a legit response. The guy may have been arrogant, but at least he's educated. So far people have just made fun of him and for being so. This actually underlines another problem in society; stigmatizing intelligent people. So why are all these people hating on some carebear student? Are they threatened that he is able to make a point without making fun of someone else?
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Orpheus Terminus
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Posted - 2011.01.09 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Atra Hasis
Originally by: Orpheus Terminus It's related to social ingrouping and outgrouping. Also genetically people are attracted to traits similar to their own. This is for breeding. Of course this isn't 100% as the marxist anthropological dunce in this thread is probably attracted to glasses wearing goats named Karl.
Race exists, it effects people even if not consciously. It's a fact.
Quoting wikipedia is not exactly the road to making a legit response. The guy may have been arrogant, but at least he's educated. So far people have just made fun of him and for being so. This actually underlines another problem in society; stigmatizing intelligent people. So why are all these people hating on some carebear student? Are they threatened that he is able to make a point without making fun of someone else?
It's because he pretty much word for word quoted liberal/marxist multi-cultural nonsense spouted in at least a few liberal arts courses in every single university which has an agenda he has no idea about and is effectively brain washed?
That's what makes him intelligent and educated?
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Uzrial
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Posted - 2011.01.09 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Uzrial on 09/01/2011 19:06:47 I'm not too sure exactly what you consider a liberal since I don't know where you're from thus I have no social-political backdrop to work with. If you are American though, and are comparing me to Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Karl Rove, or even Rush L., then you are damn right I'm liberal. I love people of every origin and culture. I support the gays and sexual expression. I have no hate, for I don't fear anything that is different than me. I don't smoke pot, but if you want to go ahead. I am no communist, though I am no capitalist. I do not subscribe to religion or any form of spiritualism and you know what? I love life. I choose not to create boundaries and restrictions on my viewpoints.
I have no idea what you mean by implying that all these schools have some sort of liberal marxist agenda, the undergraduate university I attended was actually a catholic school, which is the complete antithesis of what most would consider 'liberal'.
Peace man, no need for hate.
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Orpheus Terminus
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Posted - 2011.01.09 19:11:00 -
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stfu I don't care. I was mainly posting about what the OP was saying. Insulting you just came as second nature because I could already tell that I don't like you. And I'm probably not gonna like you no matter how many pull-ups or push-ups you do. All right, anybody who wants to pick on anybody in class, aim for him, 'cause I'm not watchin'.
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2011.01.09 19:23:00 -
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Who gives a **** your ships all blows up the same. 
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Anubis Xian
Word Bearers of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.09 19:44:00 -
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Actually people are physically attracted to traits different from their own, and not necessarily voluntarily. The body wants the strongest possible offspring so it is more natural following the rules of nature to breed with someone different than yourself. Only the social and cultural 'rules' were really standing in the way of this becoming widespread. Well and geographics.
Why do you think interethnic relations are only increasing?
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
CINA
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Orpheus Terminus
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Posted - 2011.01.09 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Orpheus Terminus on 09/01/2011 19:46:53
Originally by: Anubis Xian Actually people are physically attracted to traits different from their own, and not necessarily voluntarily. The body wants the strongest possible offspring so it is more natural following the rules of nature to breed with someone different than yourself. Only the social and cultural 'rules' were really standing in the way of this becoming widespread. Well and geographics.
Why do you think interethnic relations are only increasing?
****tier girls? 
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Burtzum
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Posted - 2011.01.10 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian Actually people are physically attracted to traits different from their own, and not necessarily voluntarily. The body wants the strongest possible offspring so it is more natural following the rules of nature to breed with someone different than yourself
That is an interesting theory, and seems to be mostly true for myself. Aside from me liking thin ladies and being very skinny myself, I generally find my own traits in women to be unattractive or at least boring. Examples being very pale skin, freckles, curly hair, brown hair, red hair, pinkish skin, hazel eyes. bleh.
When I construct female characters I generally avoid those traits too I think. But I usually just make female characters to use as an alt or just play with the character creator. For the characters I actually use I always make males, and strangely I often make them thin and pale or even take those traits to an extreme exaggeration. So they are a reflection of myself to some degree. Though in another MMO I play my main character is a dark black guy with a somewhat middle eastern name. I don't think I've ever tried to make a character that looks a lot like me. That would be boring.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.10 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias こんにちは!私がとても可愛いです!
こんにちは!私はとても可愛いです。
corrected your grammar. -----------
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2011.01.10 06:56:00 -
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Oh GOD!!!
If your theory is correct, and most people make characters similar to themselves, the game will be populated almost exclusively by dumpy, middle aged men with tans similar to that of a blind cave fish!!!
The horror... the horror... ===== My mission? To kill the enemy and break their toys SIR!!!. |
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