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Chowdown	Posted - 2005.01.20 23:14:00 - [31] Hmmm to address the question which so many pose, "Whats the difference between FA and Shinra? Despite the clear gap in class." Well its quite simple, we will not get u to spend half a day taking down a station, for BIG to rock on up and fire the last shot. We will not ask you to turn out your ships and fight against are enemies. The simple fact of the matter is this. We fight are own fights! Now watch this space I will now be flamed by 20 different corps from delve, PB, ETC. All with one thing in common, look at there corp description and it will say "FA trial corp". Jesus guys you have been FA trial corps for about 8 months. Ever get the impression you are being used. New Shinra Kill system, please be patient were still ironing out the finer points!!
qrac	Posted - 2005.01.20 23:17:00 - [32] Originally by: Centuria Originally by: empire nublette i'm sorry but you can't avoid getting into fights in 0.0 therefore my reasoning is logical. I could, if you guy's weren't so eager to shoot me. I would understand all this nonsense if a PBL or a PA guy had taken a NAP, but Whitelist Neutrals? - You are saying you are no better than any other pirate. This really is a sad day for me to see this. PA, proud alliance, a member admiting they'r piracy ways of life and continueing with his/her petty resoning. I bid you not to respond, nublette, as your resoning is not resone at all. And by what you say, you are litterly asking us to fight with Shrina? Someone else correct me if im wrong. just because it's an alt it doesn't have to be fa as for the discussion i wont comment anything but it's interesting when u find certain ppl's writing patterns familiar. ------------------------------------------- Insanes numquam moriuntur!
Edison Frisk	Posted - 2005.01.20 23:20:00 - [33] I promise you Tiberius that Delve is off limits to neutral corps. We were on the PBL Whitelist and had to pay the Fountain Pass of 5 Million a day to travel through that space. So it was a case of PB is in fact free space but to get to it you had to pay a toll. Even if you helped in the defence of the region this fee wasnt waived. The only ones to get the free pass through Delve was actual members of PBL and not PB residents not even those on the whitelist. And for a while now their recruiting programme has been closed so no could benefit from this FA gesture. May I make another point, it is common knowledge that Whitelisted corps had no obligation to help out in the defence of Period Basis and would not receive any guarantee that they would be protected if they did assist in protective duties. This was posted on the official PBL forums : You are correct that Whitelisted Corps should try to help defend Period Basis for all our benefit and it will certainly be noted that you help us. There is currently no obligation upon them to do this - and no obligation on PBL to defend such corps. Nuff said I think.
tastinn	Posted - 2005.01.20 23:21:00 - [34] Edited by: tastinn on 20/01/2005 23:25:48 Originally by: empire nublette Originally by: Centuria Originally by: empire nublette 1. if your corp can't fight u should stay in empire. 2. if somebody u consider a friend hands over stuff to an enemy of u do u still like this person? I must say, empire nublette, that your reasoning sounds to me quite empty. You are justifing your attacks on us with such petty claims. But as it has been said before - the resident's have not refined anything as the space is now your playground 'warzone'. Going about shooting dangerous looking haulers. Heh, and mr Frantik. You just advertised Shinra¦s offer world wide. In anycase, i really feel like FA wouldn't let us through the pipe if we were to retread. I further more feel like you are really making us help Shinra. Have you thought of that? i'm sorry but you can't avoid getting into fights in 0.0 therefore my reasoning is logical. Well we can fight npc's and fight our ways to safespots.... So i think we have every reason to be in 0,0 _______________________ The Collective
Aneu Angellus	Posted - 2005.01.20 23:30:00 - [35] Can i ask that people make sure they dont confuse Shinra with the ex-CA that are currently creating a new alliance... We are not working together, and have no ties apart from some friendships branching from member to member. Please make sure you are aware of this when you post. Aneu ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
Edison Frisk	Posted - 2005.01.20 23:36:00 - [36] Noted, Shinra are a seperate entity indeed. Good luck to VOTF in setting up your new alliance.
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2005.01.20 23:49:00 - [37] Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 20/01/2005 23:49:45 Originally by: Aneu Angellus Can i ask that people make sure they dont confuse Shinra with the ex-CA that are currently creating a new alliance... We are not working together, and have no ties apart from some friendships branching from member to member. Please make sure you are aware of this when you post. Aneu Shinra is just as EX-CA as VOTF and others are who share the known history. I dont see, except for trying to start a little flame war here again, any reason to mention this. All i can say about this current situation is that this is exactly what i meant about FA's attitude for months now, i do not except anything less from Shinra to deal with this situation. Goodluck Shinra. __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Chowdown	Posted - 2005.01.20 23:52:00 - [38] Edited by: Chowdown on 20/01/2005 23:52:57 Originally by: DREAMWORKS All i can say about this current situation is that this is exactly what i meant about FA's attitude for months now, i do not except anything less from Shinra to deal with this situation. Goodluck Shinra. /me tips hat New Shinra Kill system, please be patient were still ironing out the finer points!!
Edison Frisk	Posted - 2005.01.20 23:58:00 - [39] exactly lets get back on topic.....
Aneu Angellus	Posted - 2005.01.21 00:02:00 - [40] Originally by: DREAMWORKS Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 20/01/2005 23:49:45 Originally by: Aneu Angellus Can i ask that people make sure they dont confuse Shinra with the ex-CA that are currently creating a new alliance... We are not working together, and have no ties apart from some friendships branching from member to member. Please make sure you are aware of this when you post. Aneu Shinra is just as EX-CA as VOTF and others are who share the known history. I dont see, except for trying to start a little flame war here again, any reason to mention this. All i can say about this current situation is that this is exactly what i meant about FA's attitude for months now, i do not except anything less from Shinra to deal with this situation. Goodluck Shinra. My post was not meant as flame-bait. All it was meant as was people view shinra as part of the current coalition between xCA corporations... of which they are not. I have respect for shinra in what they are doing and good luck to them, but it saves me having to reply to PM after PM about shinra doing things... Aneu ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
Abdalion	Posted - 2005.01.21 00:07:00 - [41] Originally by: Edison Frisk exactly lets get back on topic..... Excellent idea. Please stay there too. Several off-topic posts deleted. -- I ♥ You.... Stolen from Eris®
Chowdown	Posted - 2005.01.21 00:08:00 - [42] Edited by: Chowdown on 21/01/2005 00:09:26 Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Edison Frisk exactly lets get back on topic..... Excellent idea. Please stay there too. Several off-topic posts deleted. You see dude we don't need u, we can moderate ourselves. P.S. Lall is drunk and apparently someone has "stolen his chair". Please delete all of the crap he spews from here on in. New Shinra Kill system, please be patient were still ironing out the finer points!!
Lallante	Posted - 2005.01.21 00:08:00 - [43] I Heart Dreamworks. Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Cabal Leader	Posted - 2005.01.21 00:09:00 - [44] Originally by: FraNtik NAP with Shinra means you can dock in TPAR station and refit and REFINE. Where is that 2% of minerals going? to Shinra. Hence, indirectly you are helping Shinra. So what we want is to stop you providing Shinra with resources. See the point here? Btw, I personally informed your corp of your KOS status. You knew what you were dealing with. With the Further intelligence from my spies just coming in.. Why play the high and mighty role. Why not just openly discuss your assault plans in the next few weeks. HA! like you and your top tecret allies classified attack plans could really stay hidden. word of advice check some of your own members they are the ones leaking the intelligence along with a few from your allies. More to come .
Lallante	Posted - 2005.01.21 02:37:00 - [45] He isnt here, we havnt seen him. We didnt BURN Him! Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
SithEwok	Posted - 2005.01.21 02:38:00 - [46] Edited by: SithEwok on 21/01/2005 02:55:17 Originally by: FraNtik What I read there is "come and mine for us" What in tarnation were they doing for you????? omg For you miners that are/were making FA rich.. If you cannot afford to fight either invaders or FA then dont. I agree with your decision to nap with the current power there. Its FA's problem. Let FA come and clear it out, their the ones makin the big bux. Do not spend your hard earned money to fight for an area you'll never own. I have seen how FA likes to control, and send in forces from afar, but they wont be there everyday. They do give up from time to time. Rage against the machine.
FoxHunt	Posted - 2005.01.21 02:56:00 - [47] This all seems vaguely familiar. "If laughter truly is the best medicine, then the story you told me just cleared up my Hepatitis."
Deacon Iscariut	Posted - 2005.01.21 03:41:00 - [48] Originally by: FoxHunt This all seems vaguely familiar. Yes it does, for the former members of DSMA. Great job Shinra. So far, a very impressive operation. I killed Kenny, You Bastard
Beringe	Posted - 2005.01.21 05:45:00 - [49] Although I'm not speaking as a JQA offical in this case, I believe JQA and FA have always been friendly. Same goes for our brother alliance, the 3rd Front. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Gavin Kineli	Posted - 2005.01.21 07:31:00 - [50] Originally by: Edison Frisk Shouldn't this be relayed in some official stance to the corporation via an evemail to the CEO, funny I don't see anything in my in box. Let me point out (since I send lots of evemails (40-50) every day), that sometimes even when you send an evemail, it's never received by the person. This happens to me at least once every day. Play The BIG Lottery!
Nooey	Posted - 2005.01.21 08:11:00 - [51] Edited by: Nooey on 21/01/2005 08:13:17 Originally by: Tiberius Caesar Edited by: Tiberius Caesar on 20/01/2005 23:08:41 Fountain would be best advised to just pull out of the area now. To a lot of us, we had reserved judgment of them and their dealings in this area. Now however they are being seen under a different light. I know I will be looking else where for my T2 items and outlets for any future bpo's I get. Add: Can I get a FA confermation or denial about charging neutrals 5M isk to travel the few jumps through Delve (look at map its manditory). This is unacceptable if true. I know I'm not FA. So this isn't 100% Confirmation. It's perhaps...99% Perhaps I'm missing something. I'm new to understanding alliances.
The Slavetrader	Posted - 2005.01.21 10:44:00 - [52] Originally by: KIAInkZ Edited by: KIAInkZ on 20/01/2005 21:58:52 CA being the bad guys is a common misconception, which we will forgive you for. Some inaccuracies in your post, firstly there is no CA, CA lost and disbanded due to external pressures causing internal bickering. Secondly R-K posts probably shouldnt contain alliance references as you'll probably run to another one when your friends get in trouble. The part that was correct was Bad Guys ....Bad at EVE yes
Darkrydar	Posted - 2005.01.21 10:49:00 - [53] Originally by: The Slavetrader Originally by: KIAInkZ Edited by: KIAInkZ on 20/01/2005 21:58:52 CA being the bad guys is a common misconception, which we will forgive you for. Some inaccuracies in your post, firstly there is no CA, CA lost and disbanded due to external pressures causing internal bickering. Secondly R-K posts probably shouldnt contain alliance references as you'll probably run to another one when your friends get in trouble. The part the part was correct was Bad Guys ....Bad at EVE yes I love a CFS Navy guy saing that CA members are bad at Eve. What does that make you? Seeing that you folded faster than an army tent.
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2005.01.21 11:05:00 - [54] Originally by: FraNtik NAP with Shinra means you can dock in TPAR station and refit and REFINE. Where is that 2% of minerals going? to Shinra. Hence, indirectly you are helping Shinra. So what we want is to stop you providing Shinra with resources. See the point here? Btw, I personally informed your corp of your KOS status. You knew what you were dealing with. Love that sig. Hate your politics. Reverend Necrona
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2005.01.21 11:07:00 - [55] Originally by: Lallante I Heart Dreamworks. Heart just isn't <3 Reverend Necrona
tastinn	Posted - 2005.01.21 11:22:00 - [56] Edited by: tastinn on 21/01/2005 11:22:00 Originally by: Beringe Although I'm not speaking as a JQA offical in this case, I believe JQA and FA have always been friendly. Same goes for our brother alliance, the 3rd Front. I am ex 3rd Front and My corp is on The KOS list.. Does that make me KOS to JQA and 3rd Front Alliance?? _______________________ The Collective
fugazii	Posted - 2005.01.21 11:40:00 - [57] Originally by: FraNtik NAP with Shinra means you can dock in TPAR station and refit and REFINE. Where is that 2% of minerals going? to Shinra. Hence, indirectly you are helping Shinra. So what we want is to stop you providing Shinra with resources. See the point here? Btw, I personally informed your corp of your KOS status. You knew what you were dealing with. what would be the point of providing fa w/resources? you guys dont fight to protect them. why would they have any loyalty to you guys, considering all you have done is blindly tax them. should learn from the past and not repeat yourself, treat your subjects as an equal, and they will stick by you when things turn sour. times are changing blobbing in yz isnt goin to save your territorys anymore, time for a new plan.
Shaun Ronin	Posted - 2005.01.21 11:51:00 - [58] Edited by: Shaun Ronin on 21/01/2005 16:32:27 /me remebers why he doesnt post here. /me reloads and simply waits
berge	Posted - 2005.01.21 11:56:00 - [59] Edison, all this situation created with the corporations that made NAP's with shinra is quite logical. It's a war and in times of war every means used to have an advantage (economical/strategical/military) is accepted as all the parts involved are seeking to get a final blow. Don't expect to be treated in a special way as your corp could (never said it does) provide aid (economical/intel) to our enemies. Don't whine and don't exepect to be treated otherwise as u never contacted a PBL member asking him how to react as you did in the first place when you have decided to come back in Period Basis region. All you are spanking around is FA did this/FA did that. Ask PBL first, see what they have to say then go public. I'll give you an example: my corp was neutral during the war between CFS and FA. Before i had decided that i have asked BOTH sides if this could be done. There were some rules stated and my haulers were scanned for both sides in order to see if my corpmates are not breaking the neutral status. And believe me i had no trouble in staying neutral. Don't foul yourself with cheap propaganda. It's a war and both sides are trying to control the region using every means available. Shinra tryied to get a NAP from all the inhabitants of the region in order to have little resistance. Don't keep your head down to the ground everytime as you'll be treated aswell in every region you'll go. As for the isk you have spent on passes... get real the pipe is never charged (never was - as i'm in this region for a long time). You want to say it that you choose to get trough FA space in order to avoid A2 chokepoint camped by the russians?! Of course in times of war casualties happens all the time but IF you have really care about your corporation you could asked and PBL member and i assure you that you could get an fair way out of this mess. The reason of you beeing KOS are trully your poor skills on getting a diplomatic touch to this issue. YOU are the CEO of your corp. Get your ass moving and start working for your corp. Don't expect other people to protect your interest's, cause it wont happen. For the future try NOT to involve in this members of other corps/alliances/organizations in the same situation as they are NOT. As you could see NO ONE shot down other corps for trying to protect their assets. From what i know you are the only corp in Period Basis region that has this problem now. Wake-up and start working for your corp m8 cause you are going to loose control of it soon. BTW: You where CFS before and correct me if i'm wrong, NO ONE denied you to return in the Period Basis region although FA (from their stands) could hunt you on the way there (not certainly in PBL space). So stop whining and get working! ------------------------------------------------ "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail!"
Amthrianius	Posted - 2005.01.21 11:58:00 - [60] paragraph's please.... ---------------

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