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Centuria	Posted - 2005.01.20 21:40:00 - [1] Greetings all, pilots. Firstly, I wrote this thread mostly to FA members, but please anyone who knows something - share your knowledge. Secondly, I ask those who post here not to flame. It is just something i do not care about. - Let's be civilized. Thirdly, English is not my native language, so please... :) ½!+ I would like to know how NAP is with FA and other Alliances. As I'v seen in locals, my corp has bin KOS listed for accepting the NAP with Shrina. Saying we aid them. What proof do you have that we do? Is the NAP a contract that tells you we are now comrades in arms with them? So far the only reson I'v heard about us being KOS listed, is because of the NAP. I feel this is a petty way to hit at the residents for being there. As a metaphor, you can think of us as the residents of the US. The goverment changes, for good or for ill, but we remain. When I said in locals 'this is our home' to a FA member he replied with: "WAS your home". + Resident:a person who lives in a particular place or who has his/her home there. IMHO this only pushes into the direction of suportiong Shrina. All we wanted was to be left neutrals. Shrina have done so, but FA have shot our ships. + So my question is: Is FA Aggressive towards ALL Enterprises that have NAP with Shrina. I'm talking about ALL the residents of Period of Basis and Xetic & SE? FA has put us in the posission either to leave basis, or be shot. Though I'm not entirely sure they'd cease fire if we would leave. ½!+ + My belifes had always been that FA were pretty good guys and CA were the 'bad guys'. But as we are being treated better by our old enemy than with our old friend, it really seems FA are pushing us to pickup arms agains them. Cheers. Centuria. Prophets of Old Terra. - Orginal Post - - working on a new sig - :)
Vacaburra	Posted - 2005.01.20 21:47:00 - [2] Now you can take a look at the CFS/UFS history with other eyes, even if it wasnt the same, some things are common.... eh ?
Sternburg Export	Posted - 2005.01.20 21:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Vacaburra Now you can take a look at the CFS/UFS history with other eyes, even if it wasnt the same, some things are common.... eh ? agreed ____________________________ [ 2005.03.31 20:53:50 ] (mining) Your Basic Miner perfectly strikes Veldspar Roid, wrecking for 20 Ore units.
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2005.01.20 21:59:00 - [4] Edited by: KIAInkZ on 20/01/2005 21:58:52 CA being the bad guys is a common misconception, which we will forgive you for. --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
FraNtik	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:00:00 - [5] NAP with Shinra means you can dock in TPAR station and refit and REFINE. Where is that 2% of minerals going? to Shinra. Hence, indirectly you are helping Shinra. So what we want is to stop you providing Shinra with resources. See the point here? Btw, I personally informed your corp of your KOS status. You knew what you were dealing with. ---------------------------------- FA's Bloodhound "You can warp, but you can't hide"
Sternburg Export	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:04:00 - [6] Edited by: Sternburg Export on 20/01/2005 22:05:07 Edited by: Sternburg Export on 20/01/2005 22:04:50 Originally by: FraNtik NAP with Shinra means you can dock in TPAR station and refit and REFINE. Where is that 2% of minerals going? to Shinra. Hence, indirectly you are helping Shinra. So what we want is to stop you providing Shinra with resources. See the point here? Btw, I personally informed your corp of your KOS status. You knew what you were dealing with. Why u don¦t send a "Big" (that means Blob) fleet to help them? i means it¦s ur station and "your" minerals? FA plays the same old game... i bet 1 isk: if shinra is gone, u¦ll send a 50 BS blob to retake "your" station from local corps :) ____________________________ [ 2005.03.31 20:53:50 ] (mining) Your Basic Miner perfectly strikes Veldspar Roid, wrecking for 20 Ore units.
Chucky	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:09:00 - [7] Actually FA are the good guys, CA, ex-CA or just frickin pirates will kill you or use you. But you let Shinra bytch ride you rather then fighting there presence. time for lame chat log [ 2005.01.19 20:44:01 ] Crewmen Redshirt > if u pay station tax, u are helpin shinra [ 2005.01.19 20:44:12 ] pshepherd > i haven't refined anything though [ 2005.01.19 20:44:18 ] Crewmen Redshirt > thats not neutral [ 2005.01.19 20:44:20 ] Indesin > gang please [ 2005.01.19 20:44:35 ] Crewmen Redshirt > can u dock? [ 2005.01.19 20:44:41 ] pshepherd > yes [ 2005.01.19 20:44:47 ] pshepherd > we agreed i wouldn't help either you or them [ 2005.01.19 20:45:09 ] pshepherd > same contract every miner accepted [ 2005.01.19 20:45:15 ] MindBender > if you are not fighting shinra then you get no passage [ 2005.01.19 20:45:16 ] Crewmen Redshirt > then stay in empire while we evict shinra [ 2005.01.19 20:45:20 ] pshepherd > we don't have the facilities to fight anyway [ 2005.01.19 20:45:54 ] MindBender > everyone can put a warp disrupter on a frig and fight [ 2005.01.19 20:46:23 ] EVE System > Channel changed [ 2005.01.19 20:48:57 ] EVE System > Channel changed [ 2005.01.19 20:48:57 ] MindBender > Like we said. if you not going to fight then stay in empire till it's over [ 2005.01.19 20:49:02 ] MindBender > out [ 2005.01.19 20:49:47 ] pshepherd > i just took 200 million worth of equipment through A2 (around 20 pirates) i'd prefer not going the same route =/ [ 2005.01.19 20:50:21 ] Crewmen Redshirt > lol [ 2005.01.19 20:50:43 ] Crewmen Redshirt > u think shinra and ru aren't in this toather? [ 2005.01.19 20:50:44 ] Shaun Ronin > why isnt FIX in a2 fightign atm? [ 2005.01.19 20:51:04 ] pshepherd > i've spotted about 4 FIX ships on route down here, several shinra / other pirates though [ 2005.01.19 20:51:29 ] pshepherd > FIX don't look like their doing much to be honest [ 2005.01.19 20:53:20 ] Crewmen Redshirt > kinda like ur corp? [ 2005.01.19 20:53:32 ] pshepherd > not really, bunch of carebears :) [ 2005.01.19 20:53:46 ] Crewmen Redshirt > in a covert ops [ 2005.01.19 20:53:48 ] pshepherd > i'm the only 0.0 miner we have [ 2005.01.19 20:54:01 ] pshepherd > this route is suicide.... for moving equipment covert = best [ 2005.01.19 20:54:17 ] pshepherd > got an apoc, covetor, bestower and mk5 dotted around PB [ 2005.01.19 20:54:20 ] Crewmen Redshirt > how do u refine? [ 2005.01.19 20:55:10 ] pshepherd > usually at the station when BIG is in control [ 2005.01.19 20:55:23 ] pshepherd > got around 8000 units of bistot / crokite just sitting there atm [ 2005.01.19 20:55:30 ] pshepherd > BIG have lower taxes :) [ 2005.01.19 20:55:50 ] Crewmen Redshirt > no **** sherlock [ 2005.01.19 20:56:04 ] pshepherd > =/ [ 2005.01.19 20:58:15 ] pshepherd > you guys gonna take back the station anytime soon? [ 2005.01.19 20:59:04 ] MindBender > gang invite please [ 2005.01.19 20:59:17 ] TownSaver > gang invite please [ 2005.01.19 20:59:21 ] Psyco Groupie > nice [ 2005.01.19 20:59:42 ] Crewmen Redshirt > Docking and undocking at a hostile station can only be consiered collaboraion by FA [ 2005.01.19 20:59:58 ] pshepherd > its just a station? =/ [ 2005.01.19 21:00:07 ] pshepherd > and we didn't know even if you guys would show up [ 2005.01.19 21:00:16 ] pshepherd > everyone else was "order to say nothing" [ 2005.01.19 21:00:34 ] Psyco Groupie > corridor safe? [ 2005.01.19 21:00:41 ] pshepherd > to empire, no [ 2005.01.19 21:00:48 ] EVE System > Channel changed ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.
Kayosoni	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:16:00 - [8] Wow, chucky, you're an idiot. ----------------------------------- Currently Playing Lineage 2 - Erica Server
Chucky	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:17:00 - [9] Interesting part [ 2005.01.19 20:54:20 ] Crewmen Redshirt > how do u refine? [ 2005.01.19 20:55:10 ] pshepherd > usually at the station when BIG is in control [ 2005.01.19 20:55:23 ] pshepherd > got around 8000 units of bistot / crokite just sitting there atm [ 2005.01.19 20:55:30 ] pshepherd > BIG have lower taxes :) [ 2005.01.19 20:55:50 ] Crewmen Redshirt > no **** sherlock [ 2005.01.19 20:56:04 ] pshepherd > =/ [ 2005.01.19 20:58:15 ] pshepherd > you guys gonna take back the station anytime soon? I'm sure your shinra masters will "forgive" you. And BIG guy for thinking Shinra would only charging 2% ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.
Edison Frisk	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:17:00 - [10] Frantik wrote: "Btw, I personally informed your corp of your KOS status." Shouldn't this be relayed in some official stance to the corporation via an evemail to the CEO, funny I don't see anything in my in box. I think the 2% refine tax helping Shinra is a little thin on the ground for a reason to place us on KOS. Oh they must be RAKING it in with all that ore I see being hauled in and out all day. Jeez!
Betty Boom	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:19:00 - [11] I am ShinRa and thats, how we learn, what a NAP is: NAP (Non-Agression-Pack) - A NAP is an agreement between to parties to respect the asset, ownership and interests of the other corp/alliance. A NAP never contains the status to be an allie or join compat ops. - asset : ships, mods, minerials, etc - ownership : player-owned-station, terretory etc - interests : travelling rights, mining rights etc English is not my native language too, so I stay out of interpretions :)
Black Mambo	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:19:00 - [12] You are better off with shinra You can always pack your bags and go mine in Ca space if what you want is peace and quiet.
Sc0rpion	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:19:00 - [13] Edited by: Sc0rpion on 20/01/2005 22:22:45 Originally by: Centuria My belifes had always been that FA were pretty good guys That was your first mistake. Your second mistake was to think FA would treat you any better than they treated the previous inhabitants of Period Basis. "The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously." -Freidrich Nietzche
Chucky	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:23:00 - [14] Originally by: Kayosoni Wow, chucky, you're an idiot. Wow, I have brain damage, now whats your excuse for being an idiot Kayosoni? ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.
Deth Raahn	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:23:00 - [15] Originally by: FraNtik NAP with Shinra means you can dock in TPAR station and refit and REFINE. Where is that 2% of minerals going? to Shinra. Hence, indirectly you are helping Shinra. So what we want is to stop you providing Shinra with resources. See the point here? What is the difference between aiding shinra and aiding FA by refining at station? Result is that any one of the two get the profit from it. And like mentioned earlier, we have as neutrals recieved better treatment from Shinra, than FA ever provided. "Evil depends of which side you look at it" And since FA didnt respect us being neutral habitants of TPAR, and started blowing ships up, only makes me think that Shinra is the less evil crowd. At least they respected us as neutrals as long as we didnt attack any Shinra. And if we did attack, well, we wouldnt be neutrals, wouldn't we. FA didnt even care to ask, they just looked at the non-shinra players docking and undocking and decided they were KOS. At this point Id rather refine for Shinra than FA. Wierd that old enemies treat one better than old friends. Quote: "The single individual can be of intelligence beyond understanding, but mankind in generel is like a flock of ignorant turkeys..."
Kayosoni	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:26:00 - [16] I'm turned on by girls with catears. ----------------------------------- Currently Playing Lineage 2 - Erica Server
FraNtik	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:28:00 - [17] Originally by: Betty Boom I am ShinRa and thats, how we learn, what a NAP is: NAP (Non-Agression-Pack) - A NAP is an agreement between to parties to respect the asset, ownership and interests of the other corp/alliance. A NAP never contains the status to be an allie or join compat ops. - asset : ships, mods, minerials, etc - ownership : player-owned-station, terretory etc - interests : travelling rights, mining rights etc English is not my native language too, so I stay out of interpretions :) Lallante keeps spamming TPAR local with this: "Shinra Controls TPAR. If your corp would like to use the Refinery at 2% and travel freely, contact me for a NAP" What I read there is "come and mine for us" ---------------------------------- FA's Bloodhound "You can warp, but you can't hide"
Chucky	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Black Mambo You are better off with shinra You can always pack your bags and go mine in Ca space if what you want is peace and quiet. If you believe this I got some arkanor locations in empire to sell you ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.
empire nublette	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:30:00 - [19] 1. if your corp can't fight u should stay in empire. 2. if somebody u consider a friend hands over stuff to an enemy of u do u still like this person?
Deth Raahn	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:32:00 - [20] Originally by: FraNtik Lallante keeps spamming TPAR local with this: "Shinra Controls TPAR. If your corp would like to use the Refinery at 2% and travel freely, contact me for a NAP" What I read there is "come and mine for us" Yea, but its in that case a pretty bad advertisement, cause only the ppl in local are hearing it, and most of them have all, before the attacks, been miners. Lallante is merely offering them to continue unharmed. I would understand your point if she announced it on globalchannel... Quote: "The single individual can be of intelligence beyond understanding, but mankind in generel is like a flock of ignorant turkeys..."
Arekuwa	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:35:00 - [21] Originally by: FraNtik What I read there is "come and mine for us" Which is different from what FA were advertising earlier how?
Melko	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:36:00 - [22] Originally by: Chucky Originally by: Black Mambo You are better off with shinra You can always pack your bags and go mine in Ca space if what you want is peace and quiet. If you believe this I got some arkanor locations in empire to sell you Actually it is very quiet...
Centuria	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:49:00 - [23] Originally by: empire nublette 1. if your corp can't fight u should stay in empire. 2. if somebody u consider a friend hands over stuff to an enemy of u do u still like this person? I must say, empire nublette, that your reasoning sounds to me quite empty. You are justifing your attacks on us with such petty claims. But as it has been said before - the resident's have not refined anything as the space is now your playground 'warzone'. Going about shooting dangerous looking haulers. Heh, and mr Frantik. You just advertised Shinra¦s offer world wide. In anycase, i really feel like FA wouldn't let us through the pipe if we were to retread. I further more feel like you are really making us help Shinra. Have you thought of that? - working on a new sig - :)
Darkrydar	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:50:00 - [24] I dont need to advertise how well FA is doing. They have two tactics. 1: Blob with 3X our numbers and get ganked in their safespots. 2: try the Chache gurrilla raid which has so far netted you a kestral kill and around 10 bs losses. I'd also like to tell everyone what other scam FA pulls on ppl. They claim that Period Basis is open space for freindly corps. But, they charge members 5M isk to pass through Delve, which is the only way non-SE members can come from. So, I submit to all the non-FA fanboys that FA are true pirates. They are taxing the spacelanes and seeking to make income from neutrals. Time will be the judge of us, but the eve community is beginng to open their eyes to the real FA.
Hast	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:54:00 - [25] Originally by: FraNtik Originally by: Betty Boom I am ShinRa and thats, how we learn, what a NAP is: NAP (Non-Agression-Pack) - A NAP is an agreement between to parties to respect the asset, ownership and interests of the other corp/alliance. A NAP never contains the status to be an allie or join compat ops. - asset : ships, mods, minerials, etc - ownership : player-owned-station, terretory etc - interests : travelling rights, mining rights etc English is not my native language too, so I stay out of interpretions :) Lallante keeps spamming TPAR local with this: "Shinra Controls TPAR. If your corp would like to use the Refinery at 2% and travel freely, contact me for a NAP" What I read there is "come and mine for us" Hi pot, meet mr kettle
empire nublette	Posted - 2005.01.20 22:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Centuria Originally by: empire nublette 1. if your corp can't fight u should stay in empire. 2. if somebody u consider a friend hands over stuff to an enemy of u do u still like this person? I must say, empire nublette, that your reasoning sounds to me quite empty. You are justifing your attacks on us with such petty claims. But as it has been said before - the resident's have not refined anything as the space is now your playground 'warzone'. Going about shooting dangerous looking haulers. Heh, and mr Frantik. You just advertised Shinra¦s offer world wide. In anycase, i really feel like FA wouldn't let us through the pipe if we were to retread. I further more feel like you are really making us help Shinra. Have you thought of that? i'm sorry but you can't avoid getting into fights in 0.0 therefore my reasoning is logical.
Demian Sky	Posted - 2005.01.20 23:03:00 - [27] Edited by: Demian Sky on 20/01/2005 23:08:53 Originally by: FraNtik Originally by: Betty Boom I am ShinRa and thats, how we learn, what a NAP is: NAP (Non-Agression-Pack) - A NAP is an agreement between to parties to respect the asset, ownership and interests of the other corp/alliance. A NAP never contains the status to be an allie or join compat ops. - asset : ships, mods, minerials, etc - ownership : player-owned-station, terretory etc - interests : travelling rights, mining rights etc English is not my native language too, so I stay out of interpretions :) Lallante keeps spamming TPAR local with this: "Shinra Controls TPAR. If your corp would like to use the Refinery at 2% and travel freely, contact me for a NAP" What I read there is "come and mine for us" 2%.... I mean... TWO PERCENT!!!! Oh, how Shinra is raking in the money! That whole 1.25 mil that the neutral corps are contributing to Shinra's coffers every day is just ENBEARABLE!! What a pathetic excuse--- but then again, FA has always been the fan of pathetic excuses... I remember back when we were in CFS, we accused BIG of using CFS and DSMA as work mules (5 percent tax). What was their response? "The five percent tax doesn't make us any money at all! We're just here to keep the area safe!" Oh, so a 5 percent tax is negligle (in times of prosperity and a lot of mining) but a 2 percent tax (when hardly a soul is mining) is suddenly a gold mine? Give me a break!! FA, stop masking your bloodlust with feeble excuses.
Centuria	Posted - 2005.01.20 23:05:00 - [28] Originally by: empire nublette i'm sorry but you can't avoid getting into fights in 0.0 therefore my reasoning is logical. I could, if you guy's weren't so eager to shoot me. I would understand all this nonsense if a PBL or a PA guy had taken a NAP, but Whitelist Neutrals? - You are saying you are no better than any other pirate. This really is a sad day for me to see this. PA, proud alliance, a member admiting they'r piracy ways of life and continueing with his/her petty resoning. I bid you not to respond, nublette, as your resoning is not resone at all. And by what you say, you are litterly asking us to fight with Shrina? Someone else correct me if im wrong. - working on a new sig - :)
Tiberius Caesar	Posted - 2005.01.20 23:06:00 - [29] Edited by: Tiberius Caesar on 20/01/2005 23:08:41 Fountain would be best advised to just pull out of the area now. To a lot of us, we had reserved judgment of them and their dealings in this area. Now however they are being seen under a different light. I know I will be looking else where for my T2 items and outlets for any future bpo's I get. Add: Can I get a FA confermation or denial about charging neutrals 5M isk to travel the few jumps through Delve (look at map its manditory). This is unacceptable if true.
Chucky	Posted - 2005.01.20 23:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Darkrydar I dont need to advertise how well FA is doing. They have two tactics. 1: Blob with 3X our numbers and get ganked in their safespots. 2: try the Chache gurrilla raid which has so far netted you a kestral kill and around 10 bs losses. I'd also like to tell everyone what other scam FA pulls on ppl. They claim that Period Basis is open space for freindly corps. But, they charge members 5M isk to pass through Delve, which is the only way non-SE members can come from. So, I submit to all the non-FA fanboys that FA are true pirates. They are taxing the spacelanes and seeking to make income from neutrals. Time will be the judge of us, but the eve community is beginng to open their eyes to the real FA. Ya, Iam a ebil pierat I think time already has been the judge of CA, it fell apart. What they are doing in PB will aswell ... you will see more and more marketing which in turn will bring you more players to torture.

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