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Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.01.09 12:00:00 - [1] Wow got best pvp, best pve, best... everything! The only thing eve players can be proud of is being unique snowflakes who dont play mainstream game oh and best griefing possibilities.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.01.09 13:59:00 - [2] Originally by: Foxgguy2001 we would likely get more residents who are just looking for some quick fun... How DARE they seek fun in eve!?!
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.01.09 19:05:00 - [3] Originally by: Drakarin This game was made for a specific niche, it wasn't created to be a clone of WoW in space. That's the only thing that keeps eve afloat, complete lack of competition
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.01.10 02:23:00 - [4] Originally by: Clementina Numbers of subscribers doesn't even mean as much as one might think. The proper way to measure a game is dollars per developer per month. Sheer number of subscribers is the way the ego is massaged, not the way money is made. I don't even know why we are talking about WoW and Eve, the clear winner is A Tale in the Desert, by eGenesis. No, number of subscribers means everything as it directly relates to money income. And when eve has 35k average online with 75k total subscriptions in comparison to 12kk active subscriptions of wow it tells that eve developers/management are not doing their job well, intended or not.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.01.10 10:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Terion Fierceglade sandbox play. "Sandbox" is a pretty word to describe lack of content.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.01.10 12:07:00 - [6] Originally by: Buck Marui So next time you decide to compare WoW to EVE, don't. Instead compare WoW to EVE, dust 514 and World of Darkness. EVE+dust+wod=75k subscriptions vs wow=12kk Originally by: Jaina Sunspot No it isn't which is why Activision Blizzard can throw Devs like candy at WOW. CCP doesn't have that, infact EVE is there only game that is finished out and making them money. You want an Activition Blizzard ammount of content, donate enough so CCP has the same budget. CCP: Total assets US$43,837,015 at 31 December 2008 Activision BlizzarsTotal assets US$13.7 billion FY 2009 Notice the small gap between the two companies, we will probably never have WOW level content. But since CCP like 90% of every other MMO do not have a increda rich parent company with years of experience accross multible genres, CCP does better then anyone would have thought. As much as money equals more content I'd like to point out that core game mechanincs don't cost a fortune to tweak. Things like removing griefing and scamming potential would attract a lot of people to eve, and more importantly KEEP them playing for more than 14 days of trial.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.01.10 13:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Buck Marui Originally by: Archbeholder Things like removing griefing and scamming potential would attract a lot of people to eve, and more importantly KEEP them playing for more than 14 days of trial. But we would lose well over 50 percent* of the current playerbase Again my point is, why attract these people to EVE and change the game to accomadate them when they can just aim for that demographic with an upcoming title? *arbitrary number based on people I know who play that would leave... roughly, you get the point. Ok let's say we lose those 50% of 300k(wikipedia to the rescue) and instead gain 500k more or so. 800k>300k ? Not to mention getting rid of those who enjoy/accept scamming griefing is always good for business.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.01.10 13:22:00 - [8] Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly Originally by: Minermemememe 350k subs compared to wow's 13 million? Bigger =! Better Or do you think Justin Bieber is the best thing to ever happen to music as well? I hardly doubt that 10 developers of eve can do better than 100 developers of wow And hey, those developers wont work for free and that's where high subs number helps out
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.01.11 06:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Nora Skuld LOL! Except losing precious time, there's no dire consequences to death. Afterall, aren't capsuleer immortal demi gods? The only people who suffers significant consequences are the carebears being suicide ganked in their pimped Golem. +1
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.01.11 11:41:00 - [10] Edited by: Archbeholder on 11/01/2011 11:40:54 Originally by: baltec1 As for WOW, you get a lot of go here, pick me 10 flowers, deliver here, go kill 10 critters, deliver meat to the cook, take my sammich to the pub landlord, go wipe out this camp of bandits who stole my glass of beer ect ect. EVE pve does feel more civilised ill give you that. Does THIS look like picking 10 flowers? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZJRHClFvU
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.01.11 13:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Joss56 Is this your exceptional perfect world? Dude, it's SANDBOX!!!111 So its totally ok
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.01.11 16:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Syn Callibri telling someone "you suck because you don't play EVE the way "I" think it should be played" or "EVE sucks because it doesn't cater to all of my "perfect" desires" makes those who say it the biggest "L"...losers of all. Originally by: Syn Callibri My advice, do all that EVE offers and HTFU. That makes you the biggest loser then.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.01.11 17:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Goose99 It's a net loss if one griefer makes more than one carebear end subscription. It's often a ratio of one to a few hundred, meaning those "people" your business makes money from will have to pay a subscription hundreds of times the sum for you to pull even. Eve is the only mmo like this for very good reasons. There is a price to be paid for going against conventional business practices, one that no other for-profit company is stupid enough to pay. I agree with every word. It almost seem that guy on top of CCP doesn't need money and is in charge simply for the kicks. As much as people blame bobby kotick and the likes, they know how to appease crowd.
Archbeholder	Posted - 2011.01.11 18:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Mashie Saldana It's funny how everyone said Star Trek Online would kill EVE, last I heard they are considering going F2P... The reason that most people didn't leave eve for sto is because sto is closer to the classic mmos with orcs&elves&dragons rather than starships. And even the upcoming star wars old republic will be focused on characters rather than starships so its all fine, CCP dont have to worry

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