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KhieIly
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Posted - 2005.01.21 02:25:00 -
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Edited by: KhieIly on 21/01/2005 02:54:40
Edited by: KhieIly on 21/01/2005 02:51:58
Edited by: KhieIly on 21/01/2005 02:51:01
Edited by: KhieIly on 21/01/2005 02:48:15
Edited by: KhieIly on 21/01/2005 02:46:04
Incoming Transmission: ààà.. Source: Constellation Transmittersàààà..
Region: Great Wildlandsà. System: E02-IKààà Station Transmitting: Thukker Mixàààà
The Foundation:
An association of corporations, that consist of corporations returning to their home land in the Great Wildlands, corporations that have been longtime residents in the Great Wildlands, and other corporations that have partnered for a productive Future for the Great Wildlands.
The Foundation is unlike the majority of alliances seen in eve today. We are a community w/ militia. Groups within The Foundation have their own long term goals. We are working together when we need it most; no council, no internal politics/gossip, just friends and future neighbors.
Our principle:
To work towards a productive and constructive future for all people of the Great Wildlands and surrounding areas through an open border policy for friends and allies of The Foundation, which will include mechanisms for developing diplomatic relations for inclusion to the Corporations operating in the Great Wildlands, whether they are living, traveling or trading in the region and surrounding areas. The Foundation and Associates will pursue the defense of this principle and the Great Wildlands in a vigorous and determined manner.
Our Formation:
Prior to the initial meeting we werenÆt united as The Foundation, just a group of corps and tribes returning home after a long exile at the hands of Curse and friends who turned out not to be friends at all. Others were residents, tribes, or corps that are mining and trading in the area, so have a vested interest in its future. We returned to find that Ca had fallen and a group of ex-ca were in the area (now known as ôThe Keiretsuö)
The Keiretsu (GWR at that time) were to have a meeting to which our representatives were invited, we went in hopes that we would all have the same goals for the Great Wildlands. Our plans were to move back home into the Great Wildlands, so we decided to attend to see if co-existence was possible. Our representatives found during the meeting that the only people with the same ideas and goals were the residents, the people trading in GW, the people who neighbored and were present. The Keiretsu had a whole different vision, one of closed space to all except their alliance, of non ca. not being ôallowedö to join. The Keiretsu leaders were clear that there was no compromise, it was their way or no way.
During the meeting we were told that we would have to turn our backs on two corps that had not only backed us during the ôwitch huntö of ca., but had left with us and been by our side through good and bad, this by the same people who allowed us to be sold out, now they want us to turn our backs on our friends as they did to us then. Corps who had joined us during our travels and had proved themselves honorable and loyal were told they would not be accepted because they were not ex-ca. The current residents and corps that are trading here were told the same. We remained and discussed our mutual ideas and hopes for this space.
Many of the things that are said now were either not stated, or have changed in light of the recent conflict.
The facts:
During the meeting the points of contention were
1. Who ôThe Keiretsuö would and would not accept (to us unacceptable, we will not turn our backs on our proven friends)
2. Closed or open space, (this is when the talks broke down and the Keiretsu leaders left the meeting, nothing was resolved, although the rest of the interested parties remained and continued talks while The Keiretsu camped the gate, this was the birth of The Foundation)
When ôThe Keiretsuö leaders left the meeting and stated, quote:
1) ô GW channel on CA TS"
2) ôAll non CA or (recently ex-CA) get out of GWö
3) ô22:50 - all not in our gang is KOSö. I have left names out so as not to point fingers but state fact, this is an exerpt from the local chat log.
These are the facts of the negotiation. The Foundation has had lengthy conversations with the leadership of The Keiretsu at later dates, that were frustrating and proved that any chance for co-existence was futile. The Keiretsu had made their decision, which was we either accept their demands or leave, and that the Great Wildlands is closed space to all except Keiretsu members and all others KOS.
Hence the birth of: The Foundation
We will not accept the idea of turning on friends.
We will not accept the idea of another ca in the Great Wildlands.
The KeiretsuÆs occupation of our home has proven hostile in intent, counterproductive in nature.
End Part I of Transmission..............
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KhieIly
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Posted - 2005.01.21 02:54:00 -
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Edited by: KhieIly on 21/01/2005 02:58:00
Edited by: KhieIly on 21/01/2005 02:57:25
Edited by: KhieIly on 21/01/2005 02:57:05
Transmission Part II............
The Foundation Associates:
[ALTZ] Alcatraz Inc
[BSC] British Space Corp
[EGCO] Eve Game Card Co
[G.RIM] Grim Reapers
[KTW] Knights of the Wild
[NGJ] Statecorp
[NGRU] Northern Guerilla Reaver Unit
[NMSC] Nemesis
[TOGCO]The Organ Grinder and Company
[USUCK] The DamNation
[WOLFN] WolfenRecon
If you are friendly/allied/NAP'd standings will be set accordingly. Please contact Foundation Diplomats to initiate talks.
All others standings will be neutral. We cannot assure the safety of NEUTRAL corporations in GWL at this time.
Ex-CA corporations not assisting Keiretsu are regarded as NEUTRAL to Foundation Members at this time and are encouraged to initiate talks with Foundation diplomats to secure long lasting partnerships.
Each corp in our group maintains their own list and ALL friendly fire incidents should be pursued through diplomatic contacts as soon as possible after the event.
Diplomatic contacts are: Noumena, Baltafett, or KhieIly
Current Hostile List:
Keiretsu:
7th legion
Aquilae Stellaris
Black Lotus Clan
CommonWealth Peacekeepers
CoreTech
Daikatana
Dental Drilling Corporation
GateKeepers
LoneStar Industries
M. Corp
Nomads
Pingo corp
Quasar Technologies
Red Fraction
Softice inc.
Space Wolves
The Black Widows
Other Hostiles:
Vesper Finis
CA:
Section XIII
IseCara Inc
Curse A11iance
LCdN Chevaliers Dragons Noirs
We are home, we are not leavingàà.
End of Transmissionàààààààààààààààààààààààààààà.
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Sir JoJo
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Posted - 2005.01.21 03:19:00 -
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GL whit it may u all have fun ;)
and may the force be whit u
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Hamish
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Posted - 2005.01.21 05:00:00 -
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 Quote:
Our principle:
To work towards a productive and constructive future for all people of the Great Wildlands and surrounding areas through an open border policy for friends and allies of The Foundation, which will include mechanisms for developing diplomatic relations for inclusion to the Corporations operating in the Great Wildlands, whether they are living, traveling or trading in the region and surrounding areas. The Foundation and Associates will pursue the defense of this principle and the Great Wildlands in a vigorous and determined manner.
Just to clarify this, is this an open border policy where it's only open to people on your list ?
The Hamish Saga - by HellGremlin |
The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.01.21 07:31:00 -
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/me thinks Foundation need some lucky charms. A lot of.
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Chowdown
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Posted - 2005.01.21 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Chowdown on 21/01/2005 10:50:31
Hmm yes I agree Ens, this is about to get heavy.
New Shinra Kill system, please be patient were still ironing out the finer points!! |
The Altmeister
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Posted - 2005.01.21 11:23:00 -
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I thnk Foundation should win this. Their PVP corps have been proven in the successful defence of FU and they are also top heavy in PVP'ers
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SniperXL
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Posted - 2005.01.21 11:41:00 -
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Shinra + Supremacy, now thats gotta sting a bit.
Hope the cement in them foundations is dry otherwise theres not going to be much but rubble.
Ouchie! |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2005.01.21 11:51:00 -
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It is about time to see someone in Great Wildlands with an open-borders policy. Like the representative of Ushra'Khan above I would like to ask what this means in practice. I understand that currently, when there is a war on, it is not possible to guarantee the safety of the neutrals in the area, but am I correct in my thinking that the idea is that in the future, if Foundation wins this struggle, also neutrals could come, go, and operate freely in GW?
If so, this is really great news.
((OOC: guys, this is an IC forum, read the sticky in the beginning and drop things like "PVP" etc.))
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Pareth Avedia
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Posted - 2005.01.21 12:28:00 -
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The Foundation is motivated by nothing more than revenge for the "wrongs" that were done to them by CA - that has been well documented in the past.
hint for all decent corps in foundation:
Don't let the one or two people in foundation that have a personal vendetta against CA / Foyle / whoever bring you down. Thats all in the past, and its those very people and attitudes that have prevented you from peace in GW and it will be these very same people that bring nothing but conflict to your door. |
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GodWin cadela
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Posted - 2005.01.21 12:29:00 -
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im looking forward to seeing the top pvp'ers of Foundation, sofar all ive seen is people who run when the fights are equal numbers, i remember a 40 on 40 where foundation ran into egbinger and we had to follow them there to get kills, and if you control the area why are the Keiretsu still there? just wondering where all the mighty pvp'ers are :-)
looking forward to meeting them 
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Velios
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Posted - 2005.01.21 12:31:00 -
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So will your borders be open to the Keiretsu then?  |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
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Posted - 2005.01.21 12:36:00 -
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If I am reading it right, the borders would also be open to Keiretsu, if Keiretsu agreed to their open-borders policy and a NAP... though of course that could be just sweet talk, and not that I see Keiretsu agreening to such in the near future, when all that was offered to Ushra'Khan was "you can come here, but you cannot be here or do anything here".
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GodWin cadela
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Posted - 2005.01.21 12:47:00 -
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Keiretsu do not support open border policy!
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Velios
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Posted - 2005.01.21 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: KhieIly
The facts:
During the meeting the points of contention were
1. Who ôThe Keiretsuö would and would not accept (to us unacceptable, we will not turn our backs on our proven friends
Well your "Facts" are not really in correct im afraid. In the initial meeting that I set up - ALL corps were invited and we had every intention of working with corps that had even been historic enemies such as [TOGCO]. It was the attitude of a few of your pilots (namely from [VIRII] towards us before we even got started that brought what should have been a new era in the history of GW to a grinding halt.
The Keiretsu had to go ahead with our vision, with or without you.
Originally by: KhieIly
Edited by: KhieIly on 21/01/2005 02:54:40
Edited by: KhieIly on 21/01/2005 02:51:58
Edited by: KhieIly on 21/01/2005 02:51:01
Edited by: KhieIly on 21/01/2005 02:48:15
Edited by: KhieIly on 21/01/2005 02:46:04
Seems you are not too sure of what you are writing here anyway.
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GodWin cadela
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Posted - 2005.01.21 12:52:00 -
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the ushra'khan have been given access to the area cause they have sent in a diplomatic crew and asked for access to the agents.
The Foundation came to Great Wildlands thinking they could just take an area where we former CA now Keiretsu have lived for months and months.
Thats the difference, we had a meeting with the foundation, but when they said the following words we had to stop "We the foundation will allow you guys to stay in Great Wildlands, under our terms and rules" and that was not acceptable for us, so we decided to fight :-)
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.01.21 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: GodWin cadela
The Foundation came to Great Wildlands thinking they could just take an area where we former CA now Keiretsu have lived for months and months.
...except that to the best of my knowledge, some of those Foundation corporations had lived in GW for as long or longer than your "months and months". Which sort of invalidates the Keiretsu solo claim on the region.
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Velios
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Posted - 2005.01.21 13:27:00 -
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We do not have a solo claim on the region - no one does. We just aim to regulate 0.0 GW so that it does not turn into a free for all. As I have stated on many occasions now. ALL foundation corps were invited to talks with us on their return from the shattered Fade Union in the hope of a new era for us all.
The rest is history.
** when I sat Free for all I mean that only respectable, non pirate corporations who would wish to contribute to the stability of the region and work closely with other corps dwelling there too. |
Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.01.21 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 21/01/2005 14:17:07
Originally by: Velios
We do not have a solo claim on the region - no one does. We just aim to regulate 0.0 GW so that it does not turn into a free for all.
Well, I read your offer to Ushra'Khan, which basically said "you can visit here, but you cannot live here and cannot actually do anything here". If that's the sort of offer that reflects your intent on "regulating 0.0" than I have to disagree with you here: you *are* trying for solo control of GW.
I can see trying to forbid POS construction - though even that should be negotiable in deeper 0.0. GW is huge. But trying to claim all mining rights for yourself goes way beyond reasonable, in my view. A reasonable deal would have something like "if we're mining in a system others should stay out, but mining in empty systems is ok". Most of GW was empty most of the time, even when CA was there. You're smaller than CA. Do the math.
In any case, this is all history now. I'm just providing a viewpoint here towards why some corporations view your claim on GW in a less than positive light.
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Charlena
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Posted - 2005.01.21 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: GodWin cadela
im looking forward to seeing the top pvp'ers of Foundation
LOL, your joking right? Mcalin thinks he's good, but he sucks. He is a terrible commander that always gets ppl (usually including himself) killed.
Foundations Corporations History:
Ca - Failed
Fade - Failed
Foundation - Failed
You got corps liked Egco (ebay) and British Space Corp (total rubbish). How can you expect to win?
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Tansien
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Posted - 2005.01.21 14:42:00 -
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They know they can't win, that's why they're trying to drag neutrals into the war on their side.
DonÆt listen to the lies the Foundation tells you, it will only lead you down the same path as they've been heading for a long time, and in the end, you will die with them.
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Fenix Rebirth
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Posted - 2005.01.21 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Fenix Rebirth on 21/01/2005 14:46:48
CA with Sushi!!! different establishment same menu I'm afraid. The invite to our Minmater friends was a joke to read. Come on in guys just dont touch. The GW corps that have lived in GW for such a long time being told to move by group of newcomers is insulting. It's counter productive to what GW has to offer both those returning home and those occupying the area.
At least the foundation offers a chance for people to enjoy the benifits in sharing the wealth of a huge area Pirates and exploiters excluded. The possibilities of GW becoming a massive trading hub is exciting to those with open minds and unfortunately the Japenese firm have the old school closed shop menatlity of CA. Nobody pretends it will be easy.....but it's possible.
TOGCO have been working towards this end for a considerable time increasing their manufacturing side the wealth is there for many people not just those that decide to leave CA and occupy other peoples homes... RL history has plenty of examples of this kind of despot behaviour in the past......and as history has proven the natives get restless and rise to the fight. To those of you in that Japanese firm we will always be there and you will never know exactly whats through the next gate.
I dont suffer from Insanity *I ENJOY EVERY FECKIN MINUTE OF IT* |
Velios
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Posted - 2005.01.21 14:58:00 -
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Come o Fenix, get real for a moment...
OK lets do it your way, bring every corp in Molden into GW, hek bring all the n00bs of Pator too and lets see what happens.
You must all be smoking something if you think this lovie attitude to 0.0 will allow for anything but anarchy and a haven for pirate gankers. 0.0 needs order! In the same way that Concord offer stability and rules to Empire life. |
Bill Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.01.21 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: The Altmeister
I thnk Foundation should win this. Their PVP corps have been proven in the successful defence of FU and they are also top heavy in PVP'ers
LOL Top heavy
So u mean when a friggat is killed all the Foundation BS Run like Little girls.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.01.21 15:02:00 -
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I wish Keiretsu and The Foundation wouldn't fight each other, as I consider myself to have friends on both sides.
I can't but help to think that it seems like you are fighting because of a misunderstanding. Maybe that is the case, maybe not, but nevertheless the odds of the fights to end and the possible misunderstanding to be cleared seems less likely by every day that goes by.
It is a sad war to hear about.
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Pareth Avedia
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Posted - 2005.01.21 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Bill Kheynes
Originally by: The Altmeister
I thnk Foundation should win this. Their PVP corps have been proven in the successful defence of FU and they are also top heavy in PVP'ers
LOL Top heavy
So u mean when a friggat is killed all the Foundation BS Run like Little girls.
I think it was meant to be a joke |
Harkan Ramientes
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Posted - 2005.01.21 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Fenix Rebirth
Edited by: Fenix Rebirth on 21/01/2005 14:46:48
CA with Sushi!!! different establishment same menu I'm afraid. The invite to our Minmater friends was a joke to read. Come on in guys just dont touch. The GW corps that have lived in GW for such a long time being told to move by group of newcomers is insulting. It's counter productive to what GW has to offer both those returning home and those occupying the area.
At least the foundation offers a chance for people to enjoy the benifits in sharing the wealth of a huge area Pirates and exploiters excluded. The possibilities of GW becoming a massive trading hub is exciting to those with open minds and unfortunately the Japenese firm have the old school closed shop menatlity of CA. Nobody pretends it will be easy.....but it's possible.
TOGCO have been working towards this end for a considerable time increasing their manufacturing side the wealth is there for many people not just those that decide to leave CA and occupy other peoples homes... RL history has plenty of examples of this kind of despot behaviour in the past......and as history has proven the natives get restless and rise to the fight. To those of you in that Japanese firm we will always be there and you will never know exactly whats through the next gate.
do you realize that a free open border would involve anarchy, no protection and despoiling? total freedom involves regularly the freedom to be killed
your attempt to revamp hate for CA may collect some sympathy but your request for total freedom is a death sentence for GW,unless you don't give a toss about GW and you're jumping in to justify your personal greed
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Velios
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Posted - 2005.01.21 15:16:00 -
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Well put Harkan! |
Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.01.21 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Charlena
Originally by: GodWin cadela
im looking forward to seeing the top pvp'ers of Foundation
LOL, your joking right? Mcalin thinks he's good, but he sucks. He is a terrible commander that always gets ppl (usually including himself) killed.
Foundations Corporations History:
Ca - Failed
Fade - Failed
Foundation - Failed
You got corps liked Egco (ebay) and British Space Corp (total rubbish). How can you expect to win?
With all due respect, can the Keiretsu members claim a better record?
By your own indication it would be:
CA - failed.
Shorter, I'll admit, but hardly better.
I can't claim to have met large numbers of PvPer's in my relatively short time in CA, but I saw enough to see combat pilots from many of the corps involved in this new conflict - both Keiretsu and Foundation.
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Maire Devylin
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Posted - 2005.01.21 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hamish
Just to clarify this, is this an open border policy where it's only open to people on your list ?
All the other rubbish (from everyone) in this thread disregarded:
It means, to me at least, if you are coming to GW with the intent of pirating or with the intention of disrupting the day to day life of the residents of GW, you will not be welcome there and will be met and asked to leave. If that fails, you will be met with gun ports open. If you are coming to GW to benefit from the region and you want to call GW home with the intention of working with people from other corporations in the spirit of progress and joined success, then you will be welcomed with open arms.
We are not the only people who will, as we do now, call GW home. I am here to, hopefully, help create a community where people co-exist in the same area in the spirit of friendship and, dare I say it, peace. Where we will work together to protect our home from those who wish to claim it as their own private space and who would dole out passage for ISK.
Wouldn't that be a strange thing...
Note: These are my personal opinions and thoughts.
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