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raukosen
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Posted - 2011.01.13 13:50:00 -
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There's so much **** to deal with when you do missions, I'm not ever going back to them. With a max skilled Tengu I could make around 50m/hr, sometimes a bit more, but it depends _a lot_ on the quality of the missions you get, and also the travel time to them.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.14 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: AristotleOnassis Edited by: AristotleOnassis on 13/01/2011 12:23:32 No its not FW.
Quote: L4 missions compared to 0.0 ratting
and NO. low sec missioning and Lv4 missions is NOT apples/oranges. it is APPLES AND APPLES. afterall, he is comparing with 0.0
Secondly. I use remote trading skills to put down my buy orders and changing orders. And i use RF Freight to move my stuff around. I use remote building skills to build my items.
In short, i spend no time gathering tags/materials, nor moving stuff, nor building stuff. It is all included in the isk/hour calculation.
What I can say?
You are deluding yourself if you refuse to account for the time spent.
"I use remote trading skills so it cost no time" No, it cost only a few minutes, but that is completely different from no time.
"RF Freight to move my stuff around" I don't know what you mean with RF freight but you either have a alt moving stuff with a freighter (an do you are spending your alt time and using 2 accounts) of you pay someone to move the stuff (and you still spend the time to create the contracts).
"I use remote skills to set up build orders" same thing as remote buy/sell.
Those two minutes for this, two minutes for that pile up. Refusing to account for that time make your numbers wrong.
And high sec and low sec aren't apples and apples. if you aren't doing FW the difference is smaller, but you still get some large bonus in LP and mission payout (both from the agent quality and the system sec status bonus).
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Yob tvay'matar
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Posted - 2011.01.14 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
You are deluding yourself if you refuse to account for the time spent.
"I use remote trading skills so it cost no time" No, it cost only a few minutes,
I don't know what you mean with RF freight but you either have a alt moving stuff with a freighter
"I use remote skills to set up build orders" same thing as remote buy/sell.
Those two minutes for this, two minutes for that pile up. Refusing to account for that time make your numbers wrong.
if you aren't doing FW the difference is smaller,
ROFL 4 times an idiot? There's really no hope for some.
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MinmatarCitizen 8927374455
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Posted - 2011.01.14 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
You are deluding yourself if you refuse to account for the time spent.
"I use remote trading skills so it cost no time" No, it cost only a few minutes,
I don't know what you mean with RF freight but you either have a alt moving stuff with a freighter
"I use remote skills to set up build orders" same thing as remote buy/sell.
Those two minutes for this, two minutes for that pile up. Refusing to account for that time make your numbers wrong.
if you aren't doing FW the difference is smaller,
ROFL 4 times an idiot? There's really no hope for some.
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Moneyhungryhoe
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Posted - 2011.01.14 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: AristotleOnassis
it took me 6-7 months of daily research to earn 200+m isk/hour consistently like i do today
Just a thought. Wasn't the opportunity cost too high? Had you put that much thought and time into trading and/or science&industry or WH wouldn't you make much more?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.14 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Yob tvay'matar
Originally by: Venkul Mul
You are deluding yourself if you refuse to account for the time spent.
"I use remote trading skills so it cost no time" No, it cost only a few minutes,
I don't know what you mean with RF freight but you either have a alt moving stuff with a freighter
"I use remote skills to set up build orders" same thing as remote buy/sell.
Those two minutes for this, two minutes for that pile up. Refusing to account for that time make your numbers wrong.
if you aren't doing FW the difference is smaller,
ROFL 4 times an idiot? There's really no hope for some.
Nice cut & paste to change what I was saying. You have cut "but you still get some large bonus in LP and mission payout (both from the agent quality and the system sec status bonus)." to make it say the opposite of what I was saying.
You are a lawyer in RL?
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AristotleOnassis
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Posted - 2011.01.14 11:28:00 -
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You are wrong
this is because, i can setup my buy orders while warping to the gate i can set a contract while warping to the gate i can build items while warping to the gate My "research" is also done by mission running.
Im only a bit more then half year into this game, yet ive accumulated 4 toons with 200 million SP, almost 400b worth of assets, toons and isk, and also without touching 0.0 gayness and politics.
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Devil tiger
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Posted - 2011.01.14 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: AristotleOnassis You are wrong
this is because, i can setup my buy orders while warping to the gate i can set a contract while warping to the gate i can build items while warping to the gate My "research" is also done by mission running.
Im only a bit more then half year into this game, yet ive accumulated 4 toons with 200 million SP, almost 400b worth of assets, toons and isk, and also without touching 0.0 gayness and politics.
I'd hate to nitpick but that isn't possible even in a year of non-stop grind, even if you do it with 4 toons combined unless you meant buying them from the Bazaar. And that would only account the skill points since max. skill point gain with optimal plan is around 20-25mill/year.
Honestly do the math before bragging. it saves you from a lot of embarrassment.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.01.14 11:49:00 -
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Not to mention, if you look him up ingame he has no standings, and in his contract history, he has sold a fitted Viator and some other misc items in 0.0. So much for "not getting involved in the gay politics of 0.0". So he is most likely trolling or bull****ting. ---
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AristotleOnassis
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Posted - 2011.01.14 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: AristotleOnassis on 14/01/2011 14:23:01 Edited by: AristotleOnassis on 14/01/2011 14:19:08 Nah. I started abit over a year ago as Frozean. Got in a raven in a month. Got a CNR 2 days after.
Bought a Nightmare/Machariel toon Bought a Nightmare, and a machariel Bought a tengu/Golem toon Bought a tengu and golem factioned for mission running Bought a pvp C/M/G sub-cap toon Bought 6 tengu's for mission running , 4 sets of talon implants and 4 +5's This toon is just a supercap holder for myself.
All within a year.
and yeah i simply bought all my toons and stuffs with trading/mission running/building.
I never bought a PLEX except when i started the game. Now i have some 50 plex's as i had some spare change of 160b and i thought its a good investment. All of you should buy PLEX ASAP before the price increases two folds, seriously, now!
and no. i havent stepped in 0.0 yet. its all my previous toon user did.
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salabeth
Caldari Planetary Colony Construction
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Posted - 2011.01.14 14:54:00 -
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^^ Seems extreme. But to each thier own for sure. I was off work yesterday and ran my L4 agent for most the day and made 186mil including loot and it felt like a good day. I try not to get caught up in isk/hr stuff..
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krokkofant
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Posted - 2011.01.14 16:11:00 -
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Your life sounds fun
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2011.01.16 03:37:00 -
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60m all in does sound about right for the station sanctum yes, assuming you run it solo, despawn it and salvage it like crazy.
However its more common to do it as a group (mutual defense is the theory), so that 60m will be split between the 2 - 4 people in the group (the fleet might be larger but split over all Haven/Sanctums) and you might have a dedicated Noctis or two loafing around as 'clean up crew'.
So you end up doing it McDonalds style, which is fine as a Haven takes all of 5min and the big station sanctum 10... carriers tend to make a bloody great mess of the rats, Thanatos's more so due to their bonuses. An hour of that and your wallet is quite happy. Since moving to an area with L5 upgraded systems I've not had the need to run an L4 mission (over a year FWIW), the ISK available is more than I can reasonably spend... actually scratch that I spent it like a fish drinks water but whatever.
Your problem will be the same one I face I think. I'm a carebear (I have 8" claws and am psychotic which helps) so I'll happily sanctum myself in to a stupor given the chance. But 0.0 living means you've got to do the needful, fleet up and defend the space, roam around and wave the e-peen... and yes, if you're in a pet alliance you've got to heed your masters call *bark bark*. Nothing wrong with being a pet, good kibble and they change the water bowel every day so *shrug*
So more profitable but more responsibilities. One offset of the responsibilities aspect is no ninja's. Which is a major boon to the ISK/hr calculations and the "need a new ahac fund".
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The Defector
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Posted - 2011.01.16 07:47:00 -
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Edited by: The Defector on 16/01/2011 07:51:32 On my main doing L4s I would say 50m an hr is average (According to my totals on EVEMission).
In .5 space I am getting,
3-5m missions reward 10-50m in bounties per mission 5-10m extra if I salvage And about 8.4k lp per mission
I can get above 50m an hr in bounties no problem if I really crank it.
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JASON W0RTHING
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Posted - 2011.01.16 20:38:00 -
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I have a nearly max skilled tengu and last week I made ~850m from 15 hours of mission running. I make 1850isk/lp. That's about 56.5m isk/hr. I'm sure I could probably improve upon that with better lp research and a max-skilled golem but honestly, I can't see most people breaking the 80m isk/hr mark.
Originally by: CCP Shadow What is thy bidd -- Wait. This thread, I have an irresistible urge to lock it for "being related to neither crime nor punishment."
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AristotleOnassis
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Posted - 2011.01.17 05:21:00 -
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Im not really surprised that most people except a select few knows how to mission run at 200m+ isk/hour.
Well, good luck i guess. Just bare in mind that these conversions exist, and i play only 10-20 hours every week to earn and liquidate millions of Lp worth of items
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The Defector
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Posted - 2011.01.18 05:47:00 -
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I don't calculate lp into my idk/hr calculation but its rather easy to get 2-3m per 1k lp. So thats another 16-25m per mission
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Jack Abramof
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: AristotleOnassis
utter BS
Let me remember you the original question : L4 missions compared to 0.0 ratting
I dont think the OP ( or anyone else for that matter ) is interested to hear how you made 160 billions in 1 year while meeting britney spear piloting a titan in Jita, how you managed to get a date and convinced her to give you a super cap because you re clearly so good at this game.
You never step foot in 0.0 and even less missioning, rating in there, so what is the point of your pst really ? Bad trolling ? mythomaniac ftl ? 12years old ? need a hug ?
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2011.01.19 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Spineker Edited by: Spineker on 13/01/2011 07:17:50 I have all those skills and more. I still call BS on 60m isk an hour in highsec. Maybe some people have not ran them in a while or they are inflating.
I love that most of this thread is absolute fact for a change from real high sec and null sec PVE'ers. Yes maybe some can run 60m in highsec but I can't and think it is a myth today.
For instance tonight I reved up my tengu and ran gurista extrav...took about 23 to 30 mins I lost track. I got 5400ish LP and about 10 million in bounties and 2.5ish in bonus and mission reward. I could have done it in 20 to 25 mins if I had blitzed the first pocket instead I killed all the rats and if I had not it would have taken 4 to 5 mins off the time if I had blitzed. But also removed 2.5 or more million isk.
So say in a fantasy world I got 3 GE in a role. Forget travel time, and if I blitzed to get 20 min mission time. Golem I take far longer for salvage etc.
Just pure blitz.
20 mins x 3 = 1 hour
7 to 9 million isk bounties 2.5 rewards
5400ish LP = 16200 LP 8 million bounty = 24m isk 7.5m isk rewards
1 hour of unheard of missions back to back 3xGE(will not happen) = 31.5m Isk (my average as I stated at the start of this thread and that is pushing the limit of reality)16.2k lp whatever you turn that into isk.
Not to mention I got 3 ( count them 3) courier missions tonight for 1 million each including bonus and maybe just maybe 3000 LP. Took at least an hour with travel and all that.
I may be able to cut a few minutes off in my Golem but not that much.People over rate LP considering the tags alone to buy a single Caldari Invul field is about 200+ million just gussing plus 72million isk plus 180k LP
100m isk an hour in high sec? LMAO I have ran them for years
I make about 120M an hour in high sec, running missions, in 0.8-1.0 space.
Only thing that bugs me is that some people can make twice as much and I know they can pull it off. I use only one char. I rarely ever loot and never ever salvage.
One thing is true though, it's basically a butchering of the PVE part of EVE, gameplay wise. It's not gameplay.
And what's this stuff about luck regarding as to what missions you get? You don't need a even a remotest bit of luck to do the best missions.
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Nanferr
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Posted - 2011.01.19 23:32:00 -
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Quote: 100m isk an hour in high sec? LMAO I have ran them for years
Running missions for years doesnt make you good
I only started playing abit over half a year ago, yet i can easily reach 240-300M isk/hour, even 400+++++ M isk/hour consistently over 20 hours of playing if i have the materials.
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Cyn0 A17
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Posted - 2011.01.19 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Cyn0 A17 on 19/01/2011 23:50:37
Originally by: Nanferr
Quote: 100m isk an hour in high sec? LMAO I have ran them for years
Running missions for years doesnt make you good
I only started playing abit over half a year ago, yet i can easily reach 240-300M isk/hour, even 400+++++ M isk/hour consistently over 20 hours of playing if i have the materials.
Are you counting trading and alts in that, or are you talking about running missions in lowsec?
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Nanferr
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Posted - 2011.01.19 23:58:00 -
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one toon. Low Risk-free lv 4 missions.
Topic was comparing lv 4 and 0.0. its only fair to pick the best lv 4.
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Salliene
Gallente Cowboys and Beach Bums
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Posted - 2011.01.20 17:11:00 -
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Does it really matter? 60m per hour versus 70m per hour? If you aren't running a POS or something else, what are you doing with all that money? You could buy a PLEX every month and have a hangar full of replacement Tengus, and that's just after the first week.
This is an honest question. I don't understand other than plexes what a high sec player would need anything more than a few hundred million.
Thanks!
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M4cr0 Min3r
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Posted - 2011.01.20 19:34:00 -
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Lots of BS and e-peen waving in this thread. No, you didn't get 200+mil per hour doing highsec level 4s sustainably on one char (random demand for lp items does not count - see sustainably).
Proof or STFU. Tho I'm guessing you will all cry "not giving out mah sekretz" to cover the lies.
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Red Raider
Caldari Evil Dead L.L.C. DEM0N HUNTERS
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Posted - 2011.01.20 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: M4cr0 Min3r Lots of BS and e-peen waving in this thread. No, you didn't get 200+mil per hour doing highsec level 4s sustainably on one char (random demand for lp items does not count - see sustainably).
Proof or STFU. Tho I'm guessing you will all cry "not giving out mah sekretz" to cover the lies.
Yep it is just someone who wants to brag about how much money they make ignoring the point entirely.
We don't want to know how much money you made doing PI while in transit, how much ammo you produced while in transit, how many BPC's you made while in transit, how much you made in datacore production during the hour, or how much your trading netted during the hour. None of those are running high sec lvl 4's. A solo miner could claim hundreds of millions in income doing the same thing but we all know that a solo miner isn't going to make that much mining in highsec per hour.
Also it doesn't even come close to mentioning your costs either. A person running 4's in an AC mach with Republic Fleet ammo may blast out a nice chunk of cash but they also slung a big chunk of cash down range at the same time.
As it is we already know that some of what the hundred million crowd says is BS simply because they also claimed to have magically found a way of gaining skill points at twice the rate of everyone else as well.
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Isch Gucke
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Posted - 2011.01.20 21:17:00 -
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In a LVL 4 Mission become you max 2.9 Million ISK in a Sanctum in 0.0 Space becomes you 40 Million ISK
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Sazkyen
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Posted - 2011.01.20 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Sazkyen on 20/01/2011 21:41:47
Originally by: Red Raider
Originally by: M4cr0 Min3r Lots of BS and e-peen waving in this thread. No, you didn't get 200+mil per hour doing highsec level 4s sustainably on one char (random demand for lp items does not count - see sustainably).
Proof or STFU. Tho I'm guessing you will all cry "not giving out mah sekretz" to cover the lies.
Yep it is just someone who wants to brag about how much money they make ignoring the point entirely.
We don't want to know how much money you made doing PI while in transit, how much ammo you produced while in transit, how many BPC's you made while in transit, how much you made in datacore production during the hour, or how much your trading netted during the hour. None of those are running high sec lvl 4's. A solo miner could claim hundreds of millions in income doing the same thing but we all know that a solo miner isn't going to make that much mining in highsec per hour.
Also it doesn't even come close to mentioning your costs either. A person running 4's in an AC mach with Republic Fleet ammo may blast out a nice chunk of cash but they also slung a big chunk of cash down range at the same time.
As it is we already know that some of what the hundred million crowd says is BS simply because they also claimed to have magically found a way of gaining skill points at twice the rate of everyone else as well.
Well, I don't make that much because I'm lazy to manage sales. But you can easily do around 120M.
Linkage to missioning sheet
Edit: now with header, doh
Also, missions are in completion order, no omited missions or any shenanigans like that.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2011.01.20 22:42:00 -
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Most people in 0.0 struggle to make 60mil per hour doing sanctum/haven anomaly. Small minority using carrier etc (high dps/tank) make more. I can easily make 60mil per hour running high sec missions. In low sec I can make 5x that per hour running lvl4 mission and that is low ball.
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Obedient Slavegirl
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Posted - 2011.01.21 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: ZeJesus Edited by: ZeJesus on 12/01/2011 12:18:00
I say that you are an effective mission runner (damage-dealing and management wise) if you can do an Extravaganza in about 15 mins on one account.
I always believed in the existence of extraterestrial life, now I know for sure. Cause only if u live on Pluto can u complete AE in 15 minutes, Pluto minutes that is, not Earth minutes.
Btw, next time u kill a frigate with barrage, check the bounty u get. Its less than what the ammo u spent on it cost.
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Aliaundrial Uno
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Posted - 2011.01.21 02:06:00 -
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You guys must be noobs I easily make 500m+ an hour doing level 3 missions in 0.5 sec. ****ing noobs.
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