Originally by: Culmen

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Edited by: Culmen on 12/01/2011 17:25:50
OK, first we got people blaming the Tea Baggers
Now their blaming video games.
Next they will be blaming Islam.

Can't we just all agree that there exist crazies who kill people because they are crazy?
And not because of any particular scape goat.

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Originally by: Zhim'Fufu

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Blame the mass media for painting the picture to our global neighbors that it is broken. Much like the completely biased reporting done so far on this story.

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Originally by: Vak'ran

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bawww

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Originally by: Ts'ao Ts'ao

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Democracy, freedom and equality..

correct?

So what about the congress womans freedom?
what about all those kids that die in those school shoot outs of days past, what happen to their freedom? and what did it perserve? nothing, infact it called a good part of the future generation.

No equality, so a poor guy who cannot afford a gun, is still equal to a guy who has a gun? yeah right

Sooner some sort of proper legislation comes into force that prevent any tom, **** or harry from owning a gun, there will always be this issue and many more will needlessly die

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Originally by: Jada Maroo

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"Mental health issues" could evolve to mean anything, and is too vague to base any law on. I don't know the laws of Arizona but in Texas there are certain specific mental conditions that are reported to the state and that forbid the purchase of a gun.

If Arizona has the same sort of law, which I suspect it does, then you can thank the Sheriff's office for not insisting on a mental examination in one of the many times they dealt with Loughner after his repeated death threats.

These people are dead because of the actions of one crazy person and the inaction and incompetence of Sherriff Dupnik's office. And how there could be a scheduled public event for a Congresswoman and he didn't have even one officer present is beyond me.

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Originally by: Jada Maroo

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Edited by: Jada Maroo on 13/01/2011 01:25:02

Originally by: baltec1

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The guy was refused entry into the army because of mental instability and got kicked out of college for the same reason. I would say selling a gun to someone with that kind of record is not in the best interest of the public.

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Unfit for the military and expulsion from college aren't legal standards for denying people their rights. But this man had a history of death threats and contact with the sheriff's department and that department didn't use any of those chances to mentally evaluate him.

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Originally by: Jada Maroo

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Edited by: Jada Maroo on 13/01/2011 17:21:22

Originally by: baltec1

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So are you seriously saying that its perfectly fine in letting these nutters continue to buy guns and go around shooting people because thier right to a gun is more important than public safety?

Not flaming man but thats what it sounds like you are saying.

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Military recruiters and college counsellors are not qualified to give a medically recognized mental diagnosis, and no one should be denied their Constitutional rights based on the opinion of either. But the sheriff's department had plenty of opportunities to bring him in for evaluation and didn't, which I suspect is why he's so eager to shift the blame.

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Originally by: Vabjekf

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People kill other people with non-guns all the time. People are making this about the gun because they are not satisfied with just making it about the person who did it.

People need to stop thinking they can change society with laws.

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Originally by: ivar R'dhak

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Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 14/01/2011 06:31:33

Originally by: baltec1

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So are you seriously saying that its perfectly fine in letting these nutters continue to buy guns and go around shooting people because thier right to a gun is more important than public safety?

Not flaming man but thats what it sounds like you are saying.

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So you¦re seriously saying it¦s okay for nutters like this hitting up some pimp for an illegal gun, while a good citizen should not be allowed to defend himself with appropriate force?

If just one aide had a concealed gun permit that little girl would probably still be alive.

Think about the children.

And yes, I¦m flaming so effing hard, because anti-gun law nuts like you just aren¦t able to grasp simple facts when they¦re outside of your ideology.

Thus a discussion rarely makes sense.

Ah, feeling better now.

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Originally by: Vabjekf

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They are in this case, since the movie is trying to create a believable atmosphere for the audience, the weight, importance, and significance which the movie asks you to place in a certain plot point should be somewhere around what the society which spawned it places on that thing.

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Originally by: Vabjekf

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Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran

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The UK managed to get through January without a mass shooting, even the whole previous year we only had one massacre and that guy owned his firearms lawfully.

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The UK is a lot smaller. Just how common do you think mass shootings are in the US?!

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Originally by: Vabjekf

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Is that what your news is telling you? I suppose we can leave it to them to find every little incident and blow it out of proportion to emphasize how much safer you are that the government has disarmed you.

I assure you those are statistically few compared to the gang related violence which is simply not interesting enough to report on i guess.

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Also knife crime is where you use a knife so it makes sense to call it a knife crime for the records. You cannot compare gun crime in the US to knife crime here, you have to go with knife crime vs knife crime statistics and the same with guns.

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Originally by: Vabjekf

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So you honestly do not see how removing guns could cause an increase in other sorts of weapons being used? Why do we need to compare things to the US when im talking about 'knife crimes' both before and after the UK got strict on guns. According to some official survey or another (TAKP, i have no idea what that means) '25% of people know someone who has been a victim of knife crime'. I certainly dont know anyone who has ever been stabbed, or shot for that matter. I know of one relative who was stabbed once, decades ago.

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Originally by: Vabjekf

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And here are some interesting statistics, speaking of schools.

In the US, a 2007 survey showed that 7% of teachers report having been threatened by students.

In the UK, a 2007 a survey found that 16% of teachers HAD BEEN ASSAULTED within the last 2 years.

Maybe UK schools are so violent there are no notable violent incidents that contrast business as usual

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Originally by: Nebulous

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Originally by: baltec1

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Boring stuff

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Yes but what does any of that have to do with the Apples Vs Oranges debate?

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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny

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Linkage

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Originally by: Marcus Henik

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Edited by: Marcus Henik on 16/01/2011 02:05:45
This site has some interesting numbers.

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Originally by: Herr Wilkus

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30,000 die in a year to firearms in the USA?

Seems high, but a very large % of them are young thugs killing other thugs over gang turf and drug markets. Violence in these areas tends to badly skew the data nationwide. Your average red-blooded NRA lifetime member tends to be far more responsible with firearms than the 'average American'.

States like New Hampshire or Wyoming that are mostly white and rural tend to have high rates of gun ownership, but relatively low rates of gun crime - go figure.

Sure, call me racist for bringing it up, but I get tired of people blaming stereotypical white American country boys and hunters for violence committed almost exclusively between gangs of minorities in the slums of LA.

If you could somehow take firearms away from these violence-prone racial groups - you'd see US gun crime rates crash overnight. Fact.

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