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CCP Fallout	Posted - 2011.01.14 16:43:00 - [1] Yes, yes they are, and CCP Soundwave has all the details in his newest dev blog. Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.14 16:46:00 - [2] first.
Maaxeru	Posted - 2011.01.14 16:47:00 - [3] Originally by: "CCP Soundwave" Keep your eye open for events and just generally things being a little ôout of placeö following the Incursion deployment. Sounds like most patches!
Aineko Macx	Posted - 2011.01.14 16:47:00 - [4] So, does this mean we should all stop flying freighters to avoid being lolganked by NPCs on gates in empire? ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation.
Cathrine Kenchov	Posted - 2011.01.14 17:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Aineko Macx So, does this mean we should all stop flying freighters to avoid being lolganked by NPCs on gates in empire? Sansha won't be camping high sec gates And CCP releasing content in a slow methodical fashion, instead of bull-rushing the server and breaking everything? Why I never....
adriaans Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak	Posted - 2011.01.14 17:10:00 - [6] I am still greatly dissapointed that soloing incursions does not yield any reward at all... I am more than capable of soloing several of them. Why does this matter? Well, my play time is very irregular spread and often at unusual times of the day AND I'm an outlaw.. random people gangs.. haha yeah likely.. Point is, I shouldn't NEED to log in my other 2 accounts as well (triple accounting in low-sec is very tedious) just to get a reward. Or.... I'll just go and buy 2-3 motherships and hotdrop on other gangs running incursions instead until you finally nerf those things tldr: -make incursions give reward to solo pilots -nerf motherships in low-sec -fix low-sec (still waiting on long promised dev blog!) (getting rid of chokepoints would be a good start, assembly hall has massive threads as well on the topic) --signature-- F.CS boost: Here Vid: Link
Red Raider Caldari Evil Dead L.L.C. DEM0N HUNTERS	Posted - 2011.01.14 17:12:00 - [7] I am pretty sure space zombies sing Never Gonna Give You Up and wear wolf sweaters while popping out of cakes carrying assualt rifles.
Mike deVoid Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2011.01.14 17:13:00 - [8] Incursion feature page says Jan 25th is when they start. http://www.eveonline.com/en/incursion/features
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.01.14 17:30:00 - [9] +1 to Soundwave -- Join BIG

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.01.14 17:36:00 - [10] 9000 Sansha's!!! Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

DmitryEKT Point of No Return Waterboard	Posted - 2011.01.14 17:37:00 - [11] Damn, Chribba sniped by IBC post by 1 post :(
Lirinas	Posted - 2011.01.14 17:52:00 - [12] Edited by: Lirinas on 14/01/2011 17:52:15 Interesting to know, and it'll be more interesting to watch how this all unfolds. The deployment of Apocrypha was very entertaining... hopefully this will help make-up for the mediocre expansions we've had since then. On that note, I've seen very little dev information on the new PI extractors. Those of us on Test Server (and the Test Server Feedback forum) have had many concerns with them and really want some Dev Response on how they're going to play-out.
Xercodo Amarr INESTO Task Force	Posted - 2011.01.14 18:00:00 - [13] Originally by: adriaans Or.... I'll just go and buy 2-3 motherships and hotdrop on other gangs running incursions instead until you finally nerf those things all low/null sec incursions sites are cyno jammed to prevent EXACTLY this -------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.14 18:10:00 - [14] Quote: On January 18, we will softly rub the hamsters in the server room till they fall asleep, prod them sweetly with foreign objects, and, if weÆre lucky, theyÆll wake up again with brand new content later that day. (If they donÆt, weÆll have to place the largest order ever for very small coffins. Sadface). Wow, and I thought I had a twisted sense of humour.
Drakthon Amarr Novus Praesidium Compello	Posted - 2011.01.14 18:11:00 - [15] I'm not sure about everyone else, but zombies coming out of my cake in lingerie just bothers me on a whole new level.
thatbloke Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.14 18:13:00 - [16] This is good and all... but where are the patch notes? Originally by: CCP Shadow I think we'd be better off with a troll shard.
Bad Tempered	Posted - 2011.01.14 18:19:00 - [17] While I generally prefer to be optimistic about upcoming new releases - this one has fail all over it - oh, unless you are in a good 0.0 alliance that is. Incursions in hs? terrible rewards - going to be a major pita for those not interested in incursions. Incursions in ls? HAHA - yeah... the tears are going to be sweet. Incursions in ws? nope - thankfully. So yeah - incursions seem to be yet another boon to 0.0 only. good intentioned surely - too bad that those who will benefit the most are a small subset of eve players. I have an (undoubtedly not unique) idea ccp - how about an expansion with NO new features? Where you focus on fixing the things that are broke? low-sec? fw? t3s in ws? towers? mother shps? invention? .... you can call it the non expansion expansion!
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2011.01.14 18:34:00 - [18] Quote: weÆll be opening it in what we hope is a spectacular-but-oh-so-carefully-staged manner Please carefully stage it in Jita Uedama Motsu, Arnon Dodixie Hek Amamake Rancer Rens Amarr Kor-Azor Maut PF-346 Deltole Kusomonmon K thx Bai
Amy Garzan Gallente	Posted - 2011.01.14 18:38:00 - [19] Is it just me or is the first paragraph so wrong... lol Looking forward to the greatness guys! -------------------------------------------------- 101010 The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.01.14 18:48:00 - [20] Originally by: thatbloke This is good and all... but where are the patch notes? Apparently the patch notes get released at about the same time the servers go down for the patch. This is: To help make sure they accurately reflect what is actually in the patch. To give players something to read and talk about while the entire universe does not exist, thus staving off withdrawal symptoms for an extra hour.
Erien Rand	Posted - 2011.01.14 18:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Red Raider I am pretty sure space zombies sing Never Gonna Give You Up and wear wolf sweaters while popping out of cakes carrying assualt rifles. You almost got is right...however,the Space Zombie theme song for this year is: 1st place- "I Want to Hold Your Hand" Runner Up- "Put Your Head on My Shoulders" Spot on with the Cakes, rifles and sweaters though....
Dungee Alstot	Posted - 2011.01.14 19:05:00 - [22] I can't wait to pleasure myself to the carebear tears this is going to bring.
Altaree The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.01.14 19:29:00 - [23] Edited by: Altaree on 14/01/2011 19:32:06 Originally by: Vincent Athena Originally by: thatbloke This is good and all... but where are the patch notes? Apparently the patch notes get released at about the same time the servers go down for the patch. This is: To help make sure they accurately reflect what is actually in the patch. To give players something to read and talk about while the entire universe does not exist, thus staving off withdrawal symptoms for an extra hour. OR 1) have secret stuff they REALLY want to surprise us with 2) have things they know players will object too and don't want to have a weekend drama bomb 3) can't be bothered to send out a patch note about the small fixes and save the cool stuff for launch day 4) really want to annoy the market speculators :) 5) Have a nice set of dev blogs ready to keep us busy this week My tinfoil hat is betting on #2... --Altaree
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.01.14 19:49:00 - [24] Looking forward to space zombies! This signature is useless, but it is red.
Xailia Unsteady Corporation	Posted - 2011.01.14 19:50:00 - [25] Space zombies! o/ "The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel."
Wolf Cry Gallente Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression	Posted - 2011.01.14 19:53:00 - [26] Space Zombies xD
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.01.14 21:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Quote: weÆll be opening it in what we hope is a spectacular-but-oh-so-carefully-staged manner Please carefully stage it in Jita Uedama Motsu, Arnon Dodixie Hek Amamake Rancer Rens Amarr Kor-Azor Maut PF-346 Deltole Kusomonmon K thx Bai something like that does indeed sound fun
Because''of''Falcon	Posted - 2011.01.14 21:32:00 - [28] ATTACK JITA!!
Yvx	Posted - 2011.01.14 22:11:00 - [29] Do space Zombies eat clowns?
Knug LiDi N00bFleeT	Posted - 2011.01.14 22:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Yvx Do space Zombies eat clowns? No, they taste funny.
0oO0oOoOo0o	Posted - 2011.01.14 22:40:00 - [31] Oh lol.Sanshas. I'm so intimidated. You know what, my CNR eats Sanshas for breakfast. Small Sanshas, medium Sanshas, big Sanshas, I kill dozens of them in level 4 missions. My Estamel missile launchers will **** them, there won't be any Sanshas left for anyone else, you kno ..
Manfred Rickenbocker Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.01.14 23:46:00 - [32] I, too, enjoy lulling hamsters to sleep and poking them with foreign objects. ------------------------ Peace through superior firepower: a guiding principle for uncertain times.
Louis deGuerre Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder	Posted - 2011.01.15 00:01:00 - [33] Someone mentioned cake ? ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
Don Dinero	Posted - 2011.01.15 00:13:00 - [34] Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o Oh lol.Sanshas. I'm so intimidated. You know what, my CNR eats Sanshas for breakfast. Small Sanshas, medium Sanshas, big Sanshas, I kill dozens of them in level 4 missions. My Estamel missile launchers will **** them, there won't be any Sanshas left for anyone else, you kno .. Please let me know when you'll be "killing sanshas" so I can salvage your carebear wreck.
David Carel Caldari Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.01.15 00:23:00 - [35] Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o Oh lol.Sanshas. I'm so intimidated. You know what, my CNR eats Sanshas for breakfast. Small Sanshas, medium Sanshas, big Sanshas, I kill dozens of them in level 4 missions. My Estamel missile launchers will **** them, there won't be any Sanshas left for anyone else, you kno .. You obviously never ran incursions. For Vanguard sites, 1000DPS tank was not enough. In a Tengu.
Colon Gravy	Posted - 2011.01.15 00:47:00 - [36] Wow this is great spikey ships going pew pew ...ya ya enhancement great....but when is walking stations or dust showing up .....the stick and carrot thing is getting old. Ive been playing this game for close to 4 years and it takes forever to get anything done in game. Dont get me wrong I think eve is the best mmo ive ever played but I would like to see whats been talked about for years happen.
Ron Fifer	Posted - 2011.01.15 01:15:00 - [37] I would like to get one thing straight, as far as hi-sec is concerned, will we be seeking sanshas in complexes and deep space or will they pop up in systems like motsu, jita, laah... Thanks
Ghost Hunter True Slave Foundations	Posted - 2011.01.15 02:13:00 - [38] For the love of Sansha I hope the actor controlled spawn points won't melt our faces off anymore. ah well, I'd do it anyway \o/ ______ True Slave Foundations Overseer A place of meeting
Master Hamster Testing on Humans	Posted - 2011.01.15 03:38:00 - [39] Whatever happens, DO NOT TOUCH THE HAMSTERS! Or else!
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.01.15 04:57:00 - [40] Originally by: Colon Gravy Wow this is great spikey ships going pew pew ...ya ya enhancement great....but when is walking stations or dust showing up .....the stick and carrot thing is getting old. Ive been playing this game for close to 4 years and it takes forever to get anything done in game. Dont get me wrong I think eve is the best mmo ive ever played but I would like to see whats been talked about for years happen. Doesn't seem so that the stick and carrot thing is getting old.. Also, wait for FF11 on news to the other stuff you're so interested in and will be disappointed in nonetheless @Soundwave, very nicely written Blog. Love the coffin-order part support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
MouthSetting 42	Posted - 2011.01.15 06:35:00 - [41] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Quote: weÆll be opening it in what we hope is a spectacular-but-oh-so-carefully-staged manner Please carefully stage it in Jita Uedama Motsu, Arnon Dodixie Hek Amamake Rancer Rens Amarr Kor-Azor Maut PF-346 Deltole Kusomonmon K thx Bai This is something that happens in my happiest dreams...
Wraithbane	Posted - 2011.01.15 06:47:00 - [42] Thanks for the warning guys. Given that I'm still with SWA, it looks like I'd be just risking expensive hardware during these incursions. That being the case, I think I'll take a couple of months off and wait until this blows over.
Cresalle	Posted - 2011.01.15 07:53:00 - [43] Originally by: Wraithbane Thanks for the warning guys. Given that I'm still with SWA, it looks like I'd be just risking expensive hardware during these incursions. That being the case, I think I'll take a couple of months off and wait until this blows over. It's not going to 'blow over'. This will be a permanent new system. According to conversations with the staff during tests on Sisi an incursion starts in a single system (any system that is not w-space) then spreads like a virus until it covers the whole constellation. Observations of the system in action show that any system under an incursion is penalized with the following: A tax paid to Concord on all bounties Reduced dps output from capsuleer ships Reduced damage resistances on capsuleer ships Cyno-jamming Capsuleers must conquer the incursion sites in a system in order to push back the steadily expanding incursion indicator (large colored progress bar under the system info). Once the bar hits zero the system is released. When the incursion is pressed back to a single system in the constellation and that system is at the point of being released the new mothership will spawn. When that ship is defeated the incursion ends. If the incursion is not completed for a long time (low occupancy area, no willing fleets, etc) then it will eventually disappear and cycle to a new location. The system penalties are in place to make it a huge PITA so that people who would not normally work together will find a reason to do so. Rewards for participating in incursions will include Concord LP which can be spent in the new Concord LP store. What items will exist in that store remains a point of speculation, but possibly the bpc for the new mothership will be listed there in the case that it is not dropped as loot. For anyone who has not participated in the testing, this is easily the most powerful and technologically advanced AI that has been seen in EVE. In the moderate and high level sites a single Sansha frigate could easily destroy a well tanked battleship in less than a minute. The amount of ehp the rats have is ridiculously high. They move and fight like sleepers but also make use of multiple forms of ewar. There is a much greater variety of rat type and each type specializes in a certain strategy of attack. The target-switching AI is far more advanced than that of sleepers, targetting priority is not random but is strategically based in order to select weak spots in the capsuleer fleet (such as logistics or support ships). A lot of people are going to die a lot of times before people start to get an idea of the sites and what the requirements are to complete them. Some of the sites demand a well composed fleet of 40-50 competent pilots in order to complete them. At any rate, I'll enjoy watching people die and generally get a kick out of this. I'll sneak into some of the crazy sites in a cloaky and then jack the loot from the last rat and swear up and down in local that it's a mothership bpc. Eventually once the dust has settled I may even participate in completing some sites just to see what's in the new LP store.
Shamefuldirty	Posted - 2011.01.15 08:18:00 - [44] Edited by: Shamefuldirty on 15/01/2011 08:18:42 sounds great, pitty as a new player I won't be able to take part in these huge battles. I will be able to of course, but i'll just die a lot......
Emeric Jadgoth	Posted - 2011.01.15 10:31:00 - [45] Originally by: Cresalle According to conversations with the staff during tests on Sisi an incursion starts in a single system (any system that is not w-space) then spreads like a virus until it covers the whole constellation. Observations of the system in action show that any system under an incursion is penalized with the following: A tax paid to Concord on all bounties Reduced dps output from capsuleer ships Reduced damage resistances on capsuleer ships Cyno-jamming Capsuleers must conquer the incursion sites in a system in order to push back the steadily expanding incursion indicator (large colored progress bar under the system info). Once the bar hits zero the system is released. When the incursion is pressed back to a single system in the constellation and that system is at the point of being released the new mothership will spawn. When that ship is defeated the incursion ends. If the incursion is not completed for a long time (low occupancy area, no willing fleets, etc) then it will eventually disappear and cycle to a new location. The system penalties are in place to make it a huge PITA so that people who would not normally work together will find a reason to do so. If that is the case, then it's bull****. Forcing people to play along to a scripted storyline and punish those who don't care for it by reducing income, DPS and resists? And what is the timeout? A day, a week, a month? This sounds like the stupid school teacher trying to get all the kids to play with everyone in the playground at recess. Never gonna work.
Ron Fifer	Posted - 2011.01.15 10:35:00 - [46] Originally by: Cresalle At any rate, I'll enjoy watching people die and generally get a kick out of this. I'll sneak into some of the crazy sites in a cloaky and then jack the loot from the last rat and swear up and down in local that it's a mothership bpc. Eventually once the dust has settled I may even participate in completing some sites just to see what's in the new LP store. LOL! Thanks for the feed bro. appreciated.
Shaalira D'arc	Posted - 2011.01.15 13:20:00 - [47] The Sansha, they are coming!
Fuel Technician	Posted - 2011.01.15 14:16:00 - [48] Scenario... I'm doing mordus lvl 4 and just agroed the whole of second room, tanks just holding and then an incursion kicks off..... question... does the reduction in resistances effect me? i'm hoping the answer is no otherwise i'm gonna have to park up the pimped up mission ship and use something a bit cheaper just in case!
Emeric Jadgoth	Posted - 2011.01.15 16:11:00 - [49] Originally by: Fuel Technician Scenario... I'm doing mordus lvl 4 and just agroed the whole of second room, tanks just holding and then an incursion kicks off..... question... does the reduction in resistances effect me? i'm hoping the answer is no otherwise i'm gonna have to park up the pimped up mission ship and use something a bit cheaper just in case! Then dig the cheap ship out. The answer is yes, to encourage you to take part in fighting the invasion. BS that.
mkmin	Posted - 2011.01.15 20:41:00 - [50] Originally by: Fuel Technician Scenario... I'm doing mordus lvl 4 and just agroed the whole of second room, tanks just holding and then an incursion kicks off..... question... does the reduction in resistances effect me? i'm hoping the answer is no otherwise i'm gonna have to park up the pimped up mission ship and use something a bit cheaper just in case! I'm guessing the incursions would kick in at downtime. And it probably means you'll need to get a fleet together to not fail the mission, and then either move systems or clear the incursion.
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2011.01.15 20:49:00 - [51] Originally by: mkmin I'm guessing the incursions would kick in at downtime. And it probably means you'll need to get a fleet together to not fail the mission, and then either move systems or clear the incursion. That would be my guess as well. Although an Incursion starting in Motsu at primetime would be...interessting. It would only matter in the very first system of an incursion, though. All other systems have advanced warning time.
Wraithbane	Posted - 2011.01.15 20:52:00 - [52] Oh well, then I guess I'll be moving on. I've always said that as long as I could run a few missions, mine a bit and collect battleships it was worth sticking around. Given their obvious attitude expressed in that video, its time to find another game. Forcing ones players to conform to ones Vision(tm) of how the game should be played, is more like Blizzards Ghostcrawler, than the EVE I've played for more than 5 years now. But people and companies change, and not always for the better. I wish you guys all the best.
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2011.01.16 01:58:00 - [53] Originally by: Wraithbane Oh well, then I guess I'll be moving on. I've always said that as long as I could run a few missions, mine a bit and collect battleships it was worth sticking around. Given their obvious attitude expressed in that video, its time to find another game. Oh noes , someone peed in your part of the sandbox. Just relocate to a system some 5 jumps away and keep doing the same boring stuff you did for the last 5 years.
Saul Caris	Posted - 2011.01.16 04:51:00 - [54] Originally by: Cresalle According to conversations with the staff during tests on Sisi an incursion starts in a single system (any system that is not w-space) then spreads like a virus until it covers the whole constellation. This bit needs dev confirmation. All the stuff I've read about Incursions previously indicated that an Incursion would be confined to a single system, from start to finish. I think that if these things are to have any relevance at all, they absolutely should spread from one initial 'infected' system through the entire constellation - but this is the first time I've seen it mentioned. Can any friendly ccp confirm this?
SwissChris1	Posted - 2011.01.16 06:20:00 - [55] Originally by: 0oO0oOoOo0o Oh lol.Sanshas. I'm so intimidated. You know what, my CNR eats Sanshas for breakfast. Small Sanshas, medium Sanshas, big Sanshas, I kill dozens of them in level 4 missions. My Estamel missile launchers will **** them, there won't be any Sanshas left for anyone else, you kno .. looool I can't wait to feed off all the carebear wrecks! Have you even been on sisi to try it out? A maxed nighthawk with dual webs could barely kill a sansha frigate at a vangard site with max incursion effects on the system.
Gazunda	Posted - 2011.01.16 10:05:00 - [56] Originally by: Cresalle Originally by: Wraithbane Thanks for the warning guys. Given that I'm still with SWA, it looks like I'd be just risking expensive hardware during these incursions. That being the case, I think I'll take a couple of months off and wait until this blows over. It's not going to 'blow over'. This will be a permanent new system. According to conversations with the staff during tests on Sisi an incursion starts in a single system (any system that is not w-space) then spreads like a virus until it covers the whole constellation. Observations of the system in action show that any system under an incursion is penalized with the following: A tax paid to Concord on all bounties Reduced dps output from capsuleer ships Reduced damage resistances on capsuleer ships Cyno-jamming Capsuleers must conquer the incursion sites in a system in order to push back the steadily expanding incursion indicator (large colored progress bar under the system info). Once the bar hits zero the system is released. When the incursion is pressed back to a single system in the constellation and that system is at the point of being released the new mothership will spawn. When that ship is defeated the incursion ends. If the incursion is not completed for a long time (low occupancy area, no willing fleets, etc) then it will eventually disappear and cycle to a new location. The system penalties are in place to make it a huge PITA so that people who would not normally work together will find a reason to do so. Rewards for participating in incursions will include Concord LP which can be spent in the new Concord LP store. What items will exist in that store remains a point of speculation, but possibly the bpc for the new mothership will be listed there in the case that it is not dropped as loot. For anyone who has not participated in the testing, this is easily the most powerful and technologically advanced AI that has been seen in EVE. In the moderate and high level sites a single Sansha frigate could easily destroy a well tanked battleship in less than a minute. The amount of ehp the rats have is ridiculously high. They move and fight like sleepers but also make use of multiple forms of ewar. There is a much greater variety of rat type and each type specializes in a certain strategy of attack. The target-switching AI is far more advanced than that of sleepers, targetting priority is not random but is strategically based in order to select weak spots in the capsuleer fleet (such as logistics or support ships). A lot of people are going to die a lot of times before people start to get an idea of the sites and what the requirements are to complete them. Some of the sites demand a well composed fleet of 40-50 competent pilots in order to complete them. At any rate, I'll enjoy watching people die and generally get a kick out of this. I'll sneak into some of the crazy sites in a cloaky and then jack the loot from the last rat and swear up and down in local that it's a mothership bpc. Eventually once the dust has settled I may even participate in completing some sites just to see what's in the new LP store. Well it now seems a complete waste of my time completing all the skill training if it means nothing now with this incursion up grade trying too get lots of people too work together in eve is a waste of time, I solo lvl 4 missions all the time with my alt and was happy enough doing that but if this is the case from now on where-bye my sp training means nothing then I've wasted 2yrs playing this game and its about time I moved on from here !!.
Daedalus II	Posted - 2011.01.16 11:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Gazunda Well it now seems a complete waste of my time completing all the skill training if it means nothing now with this incursion up grade trying too get lots of people too work together in eve is a waste of time, I solo lvl 4 missions all the time with my alt and was happy enough doing that but if this is the case from now on where-bye my sp training means nothing then I've wasted 2yrs playing this game and its about time I moved on from here !!. I'm going to make a corp for incursions, just to solve this problem. I've put an ad up in the recruitment center but haven't had much luck yet. But if you're in the euro TZ and 25+ age you are welcome to join: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1446170
Kronic Offender	Posted - 2011.01.17 00:29:00 - [58] Jump clones in different regions. When an incursion happens in your fav sys jump clone to another region, continue as before. That's if you don't wanna participate of course. I don't understand why some people are getting so worked up. Looking forward to changing my look too!
Lars Konrad	Posted - 2011.01.17 00:41:00 - [59] This uhh... kinda sounds like a giant nuisance to anyone not in a large, well-organized corp. I spend a lot of time soloing level 4 missions in Motsu. From what I'm reading here, I'm not going to be able to do that anymore. I don't see this concept of forced teamwork playing out very well - even in a system like Motsu, where there are enough pilots and decent ships to form a fleet. You can't force people to get along. I'll just log out until my bounties aren't taxed, my ship isn't nerfed and the system isn't filled with steroid zombies.
Izaac Newton	Posted - 2011.01.17 02:00:00 - [60] "toodles" hehe have your children taken over the remote at home?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVNaWdvU6wE /sigh
Bellatrix Khanista	Posted - 2011.01.17 06:15:00 - [61] Originally by: Cresalle It's not going to 'blow over'. This will be a permanent new system. According to conversations with the staff during tests on Sisi an incursion starts in a single system (any system that is not w-space) then spreads like a virus until it covers the whole constellation. Observations of the system in action show that any system under an incursion is penalized with the following: A tax paid to Concord on all bounties Reduced dps output from capsuleer ships Reduced damage resistances on capsuleer ships Cyno-jamming Capsuleers must conquer the incursion sites in a system in order to push back the steadily expanding incursion indicator (large colored progress bar under the system info). Once the bar hits zero the system is released. When the incursion is pressed back to a single system in the constellation and that system is at the point of being released the new mothership will spawn. When that ship is defeated the incursion ends. If the incursion is not completed for a long time (low occupancy area, no willing fleets, etc) then it will eventually disappear and cycle to a new location. *** The system penalties are in place to make it a huge PITA so that people who would not normally work together will find a reason to do so. ***** Rewards for participating in incursions will include Concord LP which can be spent in the new Concord LP store. What items will exist in that store remains a point of speculation, but possibly the bpc for the new mothership will be listed there in the case that it is not dropped as loot. Wow, CCP is trying really hard to lose my 2 accounts. I don't play that often and when I do, I do NOT want to be bothered with griefers and gankers, so I stick to high sec. I've ignored their NPC corp tax, which was designed to make me fodder for PvP. I've ignored their Wormholes, which is designed to make me fodder for PvP. I've ignored the carrots in low sec/null sec which are designed to make me fodder for PvP. Now they want me AGAIN to "group up" (join a corp, so I can be subjected to corp wars, etc) AGAIN. CCP: My 34 bucks a month is precariously close to staying in my pocket if this turns into a giant CF for "carebears" in high sec. And hell, I should be charging CONCORD taxes on bounties because of their failure to do their job.
Izaac Newton	Posted - 2011.01.17 06:48:00 - [62] This is clearly not the game for you then. oh well p.s why comment now about it you have had months to whine.
Monster Dude	Posted - 2011.01.17 09:40:00 - [63] Hey guys. I thought that sleepers did bring to us latest technologies... Or is it Sansha who has it? What's best Sansha or T3
Fuel Technician	Posted - 2011.01.17 10:28:00 - [64] right, I've dug out the cheap **** to mission with but have another question. how many Incursions will be active at any one time? the reason I'm asking is if it's more than one I can see large parts of hi sec becoming permanently Sansha owned. if all the players who stick to hi sec ( the majority )don't want to fleet up and counter the incursion and move to safer systems to carry on their activities then the incursion will grow till it's constellation wide. if this happens more than once and nobody challenges it we will end up with multiple hi sec constellations with nobody in them. personally i can't see a lot of hi sec players being interested in the incursions, they do their stuff and usually want to get on with it with the minimum of hassle, a war dec is the worst that can happen, griefers, ninja salvagers and suicide gankers also ruin their game time so what are they gonna make of Sanshas all over their systems. this will have a huge effect on the game economy if it happens in major trade hubs. looking forward interestingly!
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2011.01.17 10:31:00 - [65] GABBO IS COMING!!!! Who is Gabbo? Is this the new style? Seems everything has been called Incursions for months. Where are those patchnotes?
Tvon Algorr	Posted - 2011.01.17 12:42:00 - [66] I don't see what this brings to the game for miners and indies. You can call us carebears and drool over our misfortunes, but ultimately problems for miners will lead to shortages of everything and prices through the roof. If CCP has chosen to balance this unfortunate consequence of the incursion with uber loot, the collapse of the player economy is imminent, and with it the appeal of the game to thousands of players. You can laugh it off but the number of non-combat types here voicing their concerns should raise alarm.
Grideris Gallente Fleet Coordination Command Fleet Coordination Coalition	Posted - 2011.01.17 13:43:00 - [67] To all those preaching doom and gloom since you will be unable to remove these sites solo like you did Angel Extravaganza, pull yourself together and HTFU. Seriously, despite all the talk that EVE is a cold, cruel, hash world where everyone is out to steal all your ISK, there will be people organising those fleets to take down those systems if the reward is viable. And from the look of it, it should be. It will not kill you to have to work with others. So many people have an aversion to working with anyone else. -------------------------------- Lord Admiral, Fleet Coordination Coalition
Wolf Spyder	Posted - 2011.01.17 14:30:00 - [68] When will the patch notes be released?
Wolf Spyder	Posted - 2011.01.17 14:37:00 - [69] Originally by: Grideris To all those preaching doom and gloom since you will be unable to remove these sites solo like you did Angel Extravaganza, pull yourself together and HTFU. Seriously, despite all the talk that EVE is a cold, cruel, hash world where everyone is out to steal all your ISK, there will be people organizing those fleets to take down those systems if the reward is viable. And from the look of it, it should be. It will not kill you to have to work with others. So many people have an aversion to working with anyone else. It's not so much about it being an aversion to working with others. It having multiple options such as working solo that has also made Eve appealing to players. Depending on my mood at the time I like either or. If ccp is trying to force people to work together when or if they don't want to then that can cause people to want to leave the game and find something more suitable. I don't have a problem with working with others. But there are times when I like to be solo. Especially when it comes to gathering plex isk for next month. I just hope ccp dont try and turn the game in to a space age version of wow. I despise wow.
Mr Cleann Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.01.17 14:48:00 - [70] Wow, CCP is trying really hard to lose my 2 accounts. I don't play that often and when I do, I do NOT want to be bothered with griefers and gankers, so I stick to high sec. I've ignored their NPC corp tax, which was designed to make me fodder for PvP. I've ignored their Wormholes, which is designed to make me fodder for PvP. I've ignored the carrots in low sec/null sec which are designed to make me fodder for PvP. Now they want me AGAIN to "group up" (join a corp, so I can be subjected to corp wars, etc) AGAIN. CCP: My 34 bucks a month is precariously close to staying in my pocket if this turns into a giant CF for "care bears" in high sec. And hell, I should be charging CONCORD taxes on bounties because of their failure to do their job. All that you mention is apart of Eve. For the most part I do not have problems with none of that. However one of the reasons I started playing Eve was that 5 years ago it had something for everyone. It offered PvP, PvE, working solo or in groups, Manufacturing etc etc. If they force people out of that availability by trying to make player co operation mandatory in order to progress further. CCP might end up on the losing end with the game for a while. Until they rebuild some of their customer base. I like options, Not direction when it comes to mmo's. Although I am staying optimistic. As CCP hasn't let me down yet with their updates. Im hoping that all this doom and gloom about not being able to work solo if you want is nothing but rumor mill rhetoric. Be the kind of man that when your feet hit the floor each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, he's up!"
Khyara	Posted - 2011.01.17 15:05:00 - [71] Edited by: Khyara on 17/01/2011 15:06:15 Edited by: Khyara on 17/01/2011 15:05:52 I have a couple of concerns as well, but I suppose I have to see how it pans out. They are: [\list]PvP in and around incursion sites. I read another Dev blog which indicated that PvP could indeed happen in incursion sites. It wasnt clear whether that was low sec and null sec only, or whether when an incursion happens it opens it up for PVP in high-sec too. Ive done my fair share of PvP but quite frankly, I dont have the time for it (find a group, figure out which ships, form up, head out etc), nor will my ships be fitted for PvP if Im fighting the incursion site, and therefore Ill be a sitting duck. No thanks. [list] Loot. Random form-ups are fine, but you know exactly what will happen. Some duche will grab the only loot (since there are no bounties) and run off, and the vast majority of people will get exacly nothing for hours of work. This will quickly kill any spirit of "co-operation". This will most likely mean that people will only form up with their corp to ensure they dont get ripped off. As a result, you then need to sit around, wait for the right people to get online, spend 20 minutes trying to get people together, get the right ships fitted how you need them, assemble, get everyone organized, make the fleet move to the right location safely. Blah blah blah. Waste 2 hours just trying to get organized. No thanks, I dont have that kind of time avaialble to me. Im curious to see how it pans out, but quite frankly, I dont have enough hours to devote to this kind of game-play. If CCP could ensure that: 1) Im unlikely to get ganked running incursion sites, or in high sec they were secure, but possibly less ub3r of sites and 2) Could ensure that some duche isnt going to run off with the loot and that everyone will get a fair share, then it could actually work. Otherwise, its not going to very well.
Wraithbane	Posted - 2011.01.17 15:42:00 - [72] Originally by: Grideris To all those preaching doom and gloom since you will be unable to remove these sites solo like you did Angel Extravaganza, pull yourself together and HTFU. Seriously, despite all the talk that EVE is a cold, cruel, hash world where everyone is out to steal all your ISK, there will be people organising those fleets to take down those systems if the reward is viable. And from the look of it, it should be. It will not kill you to have to work with others. So many people have an aversion to working with anyone else. No preaching doom here. But after more than five years it would take a freighter to move my main base(or many, many trips with an expanded BII). Why should I be required to do that? Because some Dev or another at CCP got a wild hair, and after all of their previous attempts to force CareBears to conform to their Vision(tm) have failed, they have come up with the current version? That's WAY too close to the mentality of Ghostcrawler over at Blizzard's World of Warcraft for my taste. Contrary to what some of the PvP crowd may think, you are NOT the majority of the player base in EVE. Most of us have little or no interest in ganking, or getting ganked. We just run missions, mine, play the market or some combination, and want to be left alone to do that. After more than 5 years I'm still in SWA. Why? Because being in a player corp has too many down sides. I have no interest in corp drama, or war dec's for one. Just so long as CCP's various attempts at forcing people to play their way, didn't impact that, many of us remained in the game. Now that that's changing, I suspect many of us will be leaving to find another game to play. Its too bad, as all of these years CCP has always been an example I've pointed to as an indy game company that understood their player base. I guess that's changed as well. Success does tend to cloud some peoples vision. Oh well, Perpetuum looks like its going to be fun, and very EVE like. I'll see where that goes.
TD Dude	Posted - 2011.01.17 16:49:00 - [73] Have to agree with the other Carebears. We do what we do because it is what we chose it to be. Let us not forget the market for all the low sec and 0.0 "prizes", end up on carebear mission boats. I also do not wish to be told how I must play. I like to fly with my Alt and do what I feel. I have tons of friends and can fly with them whenever I like. The point being it is one I want, not having too. Other times I simply want to log on and grind a few missions. Carebears make Eve work, an all PvP world is not going to sustain a viable econmy. So we appeciate introducting new features and such, just don't try to dictate how I spend my time! To those PvE who thing Carebears are boring, well guess what, we could give a rats butt what you all think. Mind you most of many of my friends are low sec runners or pirates. To each his own, just dont tell me what I must do.
Emeric Jadgoth	Posted - 2011.01.17 20:26:00 - [74] Originally by: Mr Cleann All that you mention is apart of Eve. For the most part I do not have problems with none of that. However one of the reasons I started playing Eve was that 5 years ago it had something for everyone. It offered PvP, PvE, working solo or in groups, Manufacturing etc etc. If they force people out of that availability by trying to make player co operation mandatory in order to progress further. CCP might end up on the losing end with the game for a while. Until they rebuild some of their customer base. I like options, Not direction when it comes to mmo's. Although I am staying optimistic. As CCP hasn't let me down yet with their updates. Im hoping that all this doom and gloom about not being able to work solo if you want is nothing but rumor mill rhetoric. It won't be mandatory, but with 50% hits to dps and resists, it will make life a lot harder than normal. Something else I thought about, if you jump system to system to avoid an incursion, you'll have to be careful to not corner yourself so that you don't have to run the NPC gate camps repeatedly to get out.
Soldarius Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.01.18 06:02:00 - [75] Its unbelievable how pathetic all the squirming and crying is over this. This is Eve. HTFU. If you want to know how it works, log in to SiSi and try it. Its been there for months. But for those too lazy to do it, I will give you some info. Whatever sec status the system(s) incurred stays the same, therefore the engagement rules stay the same. An incurred system will have only a few changes: normally spawning rats are replaced by Sansha's rats (belt/gate), and incursion sites are now spawned and marked by warp-to beacons that appear in your overview, assuming you have them selected in your overview settings. Your combat abilities (dps/resists) are gimped. Bounties are gimped. Incurred systems are cyno-jammed. You do not have to stick around for this. You do not have to participate in any way. You will not be forced to do anything. Just go elsewhere. Hisec is still hisec. Losec is still losec. Nul is still nul. As far as I have seen, if rats would not normally spawn there, (hisec gates), Sansha's rats will not spawn there either, with the exception of the optional warp-to beacon sites. If you choose to try these sites or take on the rats, even the hisec belt rats, do so with caution. They are meant to be taken by coordinated fleets. This is not intended to be solo content, and your rewards for doing so will be crap. Rewards are mostly in the form of CONCORD LP. Originally by: CCP Shadow ...I cannot guarantee (my) sobriety or decency.
LordElfa Gallente Revan's Fist	Posted - 2011.01.18 10:30:00 - [76] The Sansha are nothing to the Minmitar, we've held of the Amarr, we'll show the door to the Sansha. ⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠
Enkill Eridos	Posted - 2011.01.18 13:22:00 - [77] This is exciting...I personally can't wait, I get that only a few will do this. Personally I feel that most of you naysayers are taking this way out of proportion. Everyone is worried about someone stabbing you in the back..that is only because you are in Empire...The place in EVE that politics are at its worst. I am going to play with other people, I am going to have fun because there isn't enough group activities...I don't like soloing I find it very boring...For those complaining about this mechanic I do need to point out one obvious thing. EVE Online is a MMO...MMO is an acronym for Massive Multiplay Online..Which means eventually you will be put in a situation to play with other people, and maybe make a friend or two gasp! Before you quit or get mad..see how it goes...The incursion thing may be a once in six months thing for your region. Considering the number of regions, constellations, and systems on the server. At least in the first few months you may only have one Incursion experience if you do not run away from it...I am going to try it out, because it makes EVE that much more interesting...For those that do not think that way, well nothing can stay the same forever. Bottom Line, if you want to play by yourself and not with others, don't play an MMO. Because so far every MMO so far has had a point where cooperative play is rewarded...If you don't want to play with other people and still want to play EVE, I suggest you start preparing for a sudden move to another region..Actually explore EVE a little, and not make it let's see how much ISK I can make per hour..That to me seems like a job, not a game.
Khyara	Posted - 2011.01.18 14:01:00 - [78] Personally Im interested. I'd like to try it out. It seems like an interesting mechanic. The only issue for me is time and the l00tz. Unfortunately I just dont have the time anymore to be in a 0.0 alliance (I was in several over the course of a few years), nor do I have the time to co-ordinate/form up fleets etc to take down sites like these. With that being said, I'd still like to check it out and see if fleet finder mechanics/being able to quickly find a fleet and get involved have gotten better with time.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2011.01.18 14:56:00 - [79] ... they're going to gimp our ships - AND throw uber rats at us ... right ... Does anyone who played Planetside remember BFRs? Remember how well that went? Gimping our ships - is bull **. Every now and then ... developers do something that is just ing stupid. I don't mind the uber rats - but - gimping my ship and THEN expecting me to go fight said uber rats? That's horse . You just don't buff the hell out of one side - and THEN nerf the out of the other. That's just stupid. Any time you use some damn game mechanic to try and FORCE players to behave in a certain way - it's a mistake. You just watch - this will not stand. Like all over buffs and over nerfs - it will change. I can't tell you what they'll do - but I can tell you this isn't going to last. This INSURES that the rats ALWAYS win - and people just won't do it. They'll try a few times but after consistently getting their butts kicked time, after time, after time ... they'll all go somewhere else - or just log until it's over. No. This particular aspect of this update - is a mistake. You just don't tell someone - "Hey! Drop your pants! Bend Over! We're going to give you a great big Sansha Surprise!" and have them put up with it. When you fight another player - his ship isn't gimped and your ship isn't gimped. The challenge is beating that other player on an even field. OK - so he brings other guys - well you can do that too. But - when the game just takes over, nerfs the ** out of your shp and then buffs the rats ... what's the point? It's like being made to fight Concord. Any one ever play a game where - to make it harder - they just let the game cheat? That's what this is. Oh well ... whatever ... you look at all the other things they've done ... like Exploration with all those different kinds of probes ... and PI the Unending Click Fest Of Boredom ... I'm sure there are any number of other examples - where the developers got all hot and bothered about some idea and over did it - then had to change things when the players just would NOT do it. Or ... any number of over buff/nerfs that had to be redone. THAT - is what is going to happen to THIS. . Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Abramul Gallente StarFleet Enterprises Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2011.01.18 16:27:00 - [80] Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk <Removed for brevity> Oh well ... whatever ... you look at all the other things they've done ... like Exploration with all those different kinds of probes ... and PI the Unending Click Fest Of Boredom ... I'm sure there are any number of other examples - where the developers got all hot and bothered about some idea and over did it - then had to change things when the players just would NOT do it. Or ... any number of over buff/nerfs that had to be redone. THAT - is what is going to happen to THIS. . Or, they might change the scanning system so there are only 3 types of probes (Apocrypha) and modify PI to reduce the clickfest (this last installment of Incursion). As far as penalizing resistances goes, this will hit T2 ships a lot harder than the T1 ships people will initially be using on incursions. Not sure what the exact numbers are; may even be that the highsec incursions only have a token penalty.
Enkill Eridos	Posted - 2011.01.18 16:29:00 - [81] Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk ... they're going to gimp our ships - AND throw uber rats at us ... right ... Does anyone who played Planetside remember BFRs? Remember how well that went? Gimping our ships - is bull **. Every now and then ... developers do something that is just ing stupid. I don't mind the uber rats - but - gimping my ship and THEN expecting me to go fight said uber rats? That's horse . You just don't buff the hell out of one side - and THEN nerf the out of the other. That's just stupid. Any time you use some damn game mechanic to try and FORCE players to behave in a certain way - it's a mistake. You just watch - this will not stand. Like all over buffs and over nerfs - it will change. I can't tell you what they'll do - but I can tell you this isn't going to last. This INSURES that the rats ALWAYS win - and people just won't do it. They'll try a few times but after consistently getting their butts kicked time, after time, after time ... they'll all go somewhere else - or just log until it's over. No. This particular aspect of this update - is a mistake. You just don't tell someone - "Hey! Drop your pants! Bend Over! We're going to give you a great big Sansha Surprise!" and have them put up with it. When you fight another player - his ship isn't gimped and your ship isn't gimped. The challenge is beating that other player on an even field. OK - so he brings other guys - well you can do that too. But - when the game just takes over, nerfs the ** out of your shp and then buffs the rats ... what's the point? It's like being made to fight Concord. Any one ever play a game where - to make it harder - they just let the game cheat? That's what this is. Oh well ... whatever ... you look at all the other things they've done ... like Exploration with all those different kinds of probes ... and PI the Unending Click Fest Of Boredom ... I'm sure there are any number of other examples - where the developers got all hot and bothered about some idea and over did it - then had to change things when the players just would NOT do it. Or ... any number of over buff/nerfs that had to be redone. THAT - is what is going to happen to THIS. . I do not think so...No one is forcing anyone to take part, there is actual consequences to your inaction though..You are blowing this way out of proportion anyway IMO. THIS is what is going to happen to THIS, in Empire (0.1 to 1.0) Eventually there will be people like you that do not agree with this, so player like you will probably move. Then there will be the people that like this idea. Corps will repurpose themselves to take part in these incursions. Eventually these Corps will join Alliances with similar goals. Now in this hypothetical situation, which I think is actually the most realistic. That is after the multitude of random fleets, may just create this new atmosphere of cooperation, that exists in sov 0.0 Some of these corps may go into low sec and NPC controlled 0.0. The players most affected by this I would think would be the alliances and corps in sov 0.0. Not only does this pose a security threat, the truth is pirates will go back into sov 0.0 some regions, constellations, and systems may change hands. Because most of the inhabitants of these systems are going to work together, like they already do. To make the Sansha go away, these incursions would make it easier for another corp, alliance, or collation lose space. Piracy in high-sec may be reduced because of the influx of corporations living in low sec spaces. The incursion features gives the pirates and other pvpers more targets in low sec and 0.0, thus leaving you alone in high-sec. I don't think this will end as badly as a lot of the cowardly inhabitants of EVE say it will.
Abramul Gallente StarFleet Enterprises Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:29:00 - [82] It's not the pirates/PvEers this may draw that's significant for nullsec powers, it's the fact that incursion systems will be cyno-jammed and jump bridges will be offline. As a result, groups that have been accustomed to using capitals for station and POS saves will be forced either to use subcapitals for defense, or to clear incursions before stuff comes out of reinforced, or to move capitals into sensitive systems before an incursion in an adjacent system spreads to them. I would expect that nullsec incursions will be biased in favor of starting in un/minimally-upgraded systems, but this may not be the case.
Macr0 GanKer	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:36:00 - [83] well when eve get boring can always go out jump in to a f18 and shoot some real missiles :)
Ezri VanDuen	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:44:00 - [84] Originally by: Knug LiDi Originally by: Yvx Do space Zombies eat clowns? No, they taste funny. best comment which I ever read here
Nashon666	Posted - 2011.01.18 19:22:00 - [85] So idk what is going on ehen i try to login it says to me incompatible (release) HELP!!!!! PLEASE
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2011.01.18 19:27:00 - [86] Originally by: Enkill Eridos Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk What I said ... THAT - is what is going to happen to THIS. . I do not think so...No one is forcing anyone to take part, there is actual consequences to your inaction though..You are blowing this way out of proportion anyway IMO. THIS is what is going to happen to THIS, in Empire (0.1 to 1.0) Eventually there will be people like you that do not agree with this, so player like you will probably move. Then there will be the people that like this idea. Corps will repurpose themselves to take part in these incursions. Eventually these Corps will join Alliances with similar goals. Now in this hypothetical situation, which I think is actually the most realistic. That is after the multitude of random fleets, may just create this new atmosphere of cooperation, that exists in sov 0.0 Some of these corps may go into low sec and NPC controlled 0.0. The players most affected by this I would think would be the alliances and corps in sov 0.0. Not only does this pose a security threat, the truth is pirates will go back into sov 0.0 some regions, constellations, and systems may change hands. Because most of the inhabitants of these systems are going to work together, like they already do. To make the Sansha go away, these incursions would make it easier for another corp, alliance, or collation lose space. Piracy in high-sec may be reduced because of the influx of corporations living in low sec spaces. The incursion features gives the pirates and other pvpers more targets in low sec and 0.0, thus leaving you alone in high-sec. I don't think this will end as badly as a lot of the cowardly inhabitants of EVE say it will. First off ... lets get past the "I'm brave and you're a coward part" - that's got nothing to **ing do with it. When I've seen the earlier live incursions - people swarmed to participate - me (to late) among them. But with these things being episodic and scattered - nothing like what you imagine is going to happen. These are "Events". That means they'll happen - and then go away - leaving the game just as it was before the Event. The Sansha's aren't going to declare Sovereignty. They aren't going to occupy our systems or conquer our stations. An Event will happen - and then it will end. It's an Incursion - not an Invasion. If it was an Invasion - THEN - the types of things you are imagining MIGHT happen. But as it is - people will not be changing their basic playing styles for this. I was kinda looking forward to this. But not now. I spent some real time thinking about how I was going to fit my ship, balancing my DPS/Tank and fittings vs. PG/CPU/Cap. I then paid good money for that ship and all it's modules - money I earned in real time - with time taken out of my RL to do so (by playing this game) - and I'm going to allow CCP to gimp the ship I spent so much time/money on and THEN send me off to get it blown up just because they want to exaggerate the power of the Sansha's? No. that. If I'm in PVP with another player - then he had to fit & pay for his ship too. Get gimped so I can be popped by a bunch of uber NPC's that are manufactured out of thin air? No. If they want me - and what I believe will be most players once they have a taste of taking a gimped ship into a fight with a bunch of uber rats - to participate - they'll drop gimping our ships. You are right about one thing though - I don't have to do it. I can log - or I can move - or I can go play one of my characters that isn't in the systems involved - and THAT is what I'm going to do. CCP can take this particular game mechanic and shove it up their ass. Don't ** with my ship. What this all is - is yet another of those "What were you thinking?" moments in computer game development. People like the idea of an event that enlivens normal play. No one likes getting their ship gimped. Flying a gimped ship - is not fun. . Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Zyress	Posted - 2011.01.18 20:13:00 - [87] I'm really looking forward to being in an incursion fleet and practicing fleet warfare against a pve opponent of significant strength. There are a few pvp mechanics that are going to make this quite susceptible to griefer fleets however and I think certainly from what I'm reading in here as a Sansha incursion is getting close to being eliminated will quickly evolve into a huge pvp battle with fleets of Ninjas trying to still the mothership drop. Should be quite interesting.
Draxind Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.01.18 22:30:00 - [88] Nice Work Guys
LinChow	Posted - 2011.01.19 01:22:00 - [89] Prediction: I see a whole lot of people cancelling their subscriptions once this crap starts. Being forced to play along with some *hole dev's idea of fun. A scripted storyline that we are being forced to take part in is bull**. I hope it bankrupts the company and the whole damn thing comes crashing down on their heads. Until then, I'll go sit in low-sec and wait for carebears to come in... at least i can get my pirating practice in.
Enkill Eridos	Posted - 2011.01.19 02:55:00 - [90] I don't see the big deal..CCP is allowing you to run away from the Incursion if you want to..I think most people are angry because they will not be able to solo these Incursions. If you like to do things repeatively alone, then that is fine. But don't think you are speaking for everyone else by saying this will destroy EVE. It will only destroy it for you, and your inability to adapt to a new unfavorable situation and overcome it...Also this does slightly offset the balance in sov. I never said Sansha was going to take it over. That doesn't stop the corporations and alliances from seeing a tactical advantage and try to take over a system that can not call in capital ship support. It seems like the whole server will be notified of this, and on the map the incursion area is listed. To me that is like painting a bullseye on that constellation. So now you have to fight these stronger rats, and players that want to take your system or constellation. This adds a whole new dynamic to the game, I will be keeping an open mind to this. ISK is easy to make and ships cost no real outside game money. You may not think it is fun to play with other people. That's fine, have a temper tantrum act like a child because things are not going your way. It really isn't your call or mine, this is the call of the company that OWNS the rights to this game. If they want to add things that add to a storyline, in a way the players can actually effect. They are free to do so, and if you leave then you can be replaced. So your choices are to experience this at least once, before you make your decision. Or rage quit without actually knowing if this mechanic will destroy your game play. Really think about it, pull up your in game map if you have to. Look at all of the systems and constellations. Then figure out the chances your system will be chosen. My guess is the high traffic areas will be the first to experience the incursions. There will be ganking and ninjaing..but it seems like only the incursions in low sec will have that supercarrier BPC. You have a chance to take part in the actual storyline of EVE, or you can choose to do your own thing. No where have I read that the "gimp" is server wide during an incursion. Just in the system or constellation it is happening. Go ragequit and find another game if you want..I will still have fun without you.
LinChow	Posted - 2011.01.19 04:56:00 - [91] Ranting removed. Spitfire
Selene Asteria Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.19 07:56:00 - [92] Originally by: Wraithbane Oh well, then I guess I'll be moving on. I've always said that as long as I could run a few missions, mine a bit and collect battleships it was worth sticking around. Given their obvious attitude expressed in that video, its time to find another game. Forcing ones players to conform to ones Vision(tm) of how the game should be played, is more like Blizzards Ghostcrawler, than the EVE I've played for more than 5 years now. But people and companies change, and not always for the better. I wish you guys all the best. Soo...your that whiney carebear I'm always hearing about . Good riddance to you, and all of your whining pathetic friends that made similar comments . You haven't even tried it yet ,and you want to quit. Your the guy that stays in noob corp to haul, you're the guy that jumps corps in a wardec.....your the reason I suicide gank. Booooo whoooooo
Selene Asteria Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.19 07:58:00 - [93] Originally by: LinChow Ranting removed. Spitfire ill warm a bottle for you , ya big baby.
Axl Borlara T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2011.01.19 16:15:00 - [94] PVE or missioning is currently easy. You can look up the mission and be told exactly what you will face and need to do. You can be told what ship to use and what fit. NPCs in missions are stupid, flimsy and do exactly what you expect. You don't need to think as everything is done for you. Maybe that's what you like. Now things are changing. Wormholes appeared with Sleeper NPCs which are much less predictable and much harder. Scared? Can't cope with thinking for yourself? Can't or won't adapt and learn? Stay out of the wormholes. Sansha will now be appearing in a system near you (at some point, and only temporarily). They are not best pleased. Sansha would appear to be even nastier than Sleepers. Same ideas apply. Adapt and learn (and work with other people! ). Or hide until the nastyness goes away. Or run. Or quit. You have a choice. You must decide for yourself. This may require thought. You might find that is a whole new experience...
Axl Borlara T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2011.01.19 16:20:00 - [95] Also, it doesn't take a lot to figure out what is likely to happen in future. There were stupid NPCs Clever NPCs came along but were kept away in their own space Really clever NPCs come along, right in normal space where you are, but only temporarily. At some point, all NPCs become clever. There are no stupid ones any more. What then?
Cynthissa Worm Nation Ash Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.19 17:08:00 - [96] ok so who is quitting? I'm asking because it would ba waste if your 5 year chars and theirs assets disappear... Therefore I'm happy to announce that I will take care of them. Just send me all your isks and logins to this account.... thank you and I wish you luck in your search for new game per aspera ad astra
Lex Avril	Posted - 2011.01.19 17:32:00 - [97] Originally by: Enkill Eridos ..I think most people are angry because they will not be able to solo these Incursions. .... that is not the case for me, I (a highsec carebear) was looking forward to the Incursions, beeing encouraged to fleet up with friends. so we did. we've tried a Vanguard on Singularity, with a cluster of 3 domis and couldn't stand 60 seconds that one cruiser and a couple of frigs. to me it also seems like another bone for 0.0 only
El Geo	Posted - 2011.01.19 17:45:00 - [98] confirming that scout are soloable, vanguard clearly are not - damn those things killed us off quicker than a class 5 wormhole lol better ai = better game i really cant see why people would quit becuase of incursion tbh, eves a great game BECUASE you can choose to stay in high sec and stay in an npc corp avoiding player based problems (your still never entirely safe) but my personal view is if they updated all of the npc AI and made missions more random i for one would actually be inclind to run them Ps. i dont like carebear tears, theyre too easy to earn
Pugzilla Black Amarr	Posted - 2011.01.19 20:54:00 - [99] Originally by: Because''of''Falcon ATTACK JITA!! I'll bring the popcorn and watch whilst cloaked. Pugz
Debrie	Posted - 2011.01.19 23:39:00 - [100] Edited by: Debrie on 19/01/2011 23:43:27 to everyone saying take your cash and go somewhere else if u dont wanna be forced into playing the way you never intended to play , you will end up playing with yourself in a very empty universe thats been the draw of this game to date , that it fits everyones playstyles solo , safe , low sec pirate and null corp alike , remove that option you remove part of the appeal that keeps players playing = loss of cash for CCP and less player interaction (market and otherwise , because of less players playing) for everyone else keep the crap outa .6 and above and it wont really impact even the care bears that we are (most of Eve players) while allowing those in high sec that wanna take part to take part , although only in .5's and lower :p remember the majority that play this game are carebears , drive them out , you wont have a game to play ....
Reasoned1 Gallente The Rising Stars Academy	Posted - 2011.01.20 04:00:00 - [101] Im looking forward to some incursions. Options are still available, stay docked, fly to another system, or join a large fleet and kick ass. Im inclined to try out the latter just for the fun of it. ************************************************************* The freedom of religion should exist in respect to anothers freedom from it.
WoAz Gallente Lubricous	Posted - 2011.01.20 05:27:00 - [102] Speaking for 90% of the EVE Population, please bring the Sanshas to Jita 4-4.
Malakari Amarr Defenders of Sovereignty Sovereign Navy	Posted - 2011.01.20 08:44:00 - [103] Originally by: WoAz Speaking for 90% of the EVE Population, please bring the Sanshas to Jita 4-4. I agree lol
Bill Pitt	Posted - 2011.01.20 11:30:00 - [104] Now I am a noob, and a bit of a high sec carebear and I have no problems with this. To create an artificial safe zone for mining to an empire wide attack makes no sense. RL brings up problems I don't like and deal with, I expect EVE to be the same.I may get blown to hell in this, but that has happened anyway with high sec law enforcement in place, so I'll just enjoy the ride and play the plot.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2011.01.20 11:35:00 - [105] Besides my disgust over gimping our ships - this whole influence thing is 180 degrees out from what EVE claims to be. CCP claims that EVE is a sand box - where you can do what ever you want. Then along comes Incursions - with the Influence Mechanic - that trys to force players to respond. So - in other words - you can play in your sand box - but if you don't come play in our little event when we hold one - we're going to make it difficult for you until you do. That is hypocrisy. That is exactly what EVE is NOT supposed to be. Oh ... and ... I'm waiting for the back story on this one ... lets see ... what is it that the Sanshas are doing that creates all this "Influence" - could it be ... *Magic? It sure sounds like - Magic*. "The Evil Sansha's showed up and the Constellation was crippled by the evil power emanating from them - until a noble band of capsuleers banded together and with the combined strength of their midiclorians ... I mean ... mana ... I mean ..." ... Can anyone say ... WoW ... . Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Fulmar Muse Fulmar's Anti-Caldari Club	Posted - 2011.01.20 12:27:00 - [106] Edited by: Fulmar Muse on 20/01/2011 12:34:52 I don't really get any of this "oh, look at you, you're a whinner, blah blah" Im playing internet spaceships, not friggin anti-customer develepors griefing game, (am I??) if i wanted some1 to tell me what to do, I go and tell a cop he was a big **ing head and flash my arse at his mother... Now, do something useful and bring the server out of downtime.. *****s to incursions!! (Edit) the only people who will like this are as follows - anti-carebears lol :-) - nullsec folk - power hungry devs - People who like to bend over Drinking your reading, yum :)
Capt Zulu	Posted - 2011.01.20 12:34:00 - [107] come on ccp i took the day off to play eve and its down i havent yet played and tested my new pics out yet step on it your alomost as bad as the council u pay them tax and they dont fix any pot holes!!!!!!
Xe'Cara'eos	Posted - 2011.01.20 12:56:00 - [108] OK - first off, YES, I am a bit of a carebear, but also a noob, and my system's so laggy, that PVP for me does not end well, unless my opponent's jammed, and has no drones. In short - for PVP - I need to be part of a blob. So - I made the best of this situation, I run lvl 1 missions (the only missions I can) in a dsetroyer, rather than a frig... I mine in WH's when other members of alliance are around, to keep me safe, I mine in High-sec, and manufacture stuff from the minerals that I get... This will hopefully allow me to throw more ships into PVP, which is fun, but not if you're always the first to die. Also - I can't fly anything better than frigate, or a Cov - I take either of these into a lvl 4 or a sleeper site... I'm f____d, so I don't do it - now tell me why I should try taking a ship into a sansha site for instant death? Now tell me what the incursions offer me? Nothing. I joined this game for the free-form style of play, and I see it being removed... If this doesn't become a little easier for the noob to take part in - I want out. Xe
Mangala Solaris Caldari Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.01.20 18:13:00 - [109] So when do the actual Incursions start? And I dont mean the stuff like Ashab overnight with "actors" and what not, I mean the various complexs and so on (scout etc)? Signature rotation removed for containing inappropriate signatures. Zymurgist
Collimator	Posted - 2011.01.21 10:15:00 - [110] I would be interested in an update on the start of incursions as well... When I open the journal I dont see anything in there... They are currently going on... or after Incursion 1.1.1 or after the 25th??? When does this effectively start ? thx
Mysterious Soldier	Posted - 2011.01.21 11:37:00 - [111] I'm looking forward to all this. I don't expect it to be easy or to even survive a incursion intact but my alliance is based in high sec and I'm sure we'll all be treating the incursions like a war. Organised fleet battles here we come! I think if you want to join an incursion go into the area and join a player made fleet. No point going it alone as you'll just die a horrible death and end up winging about it in Local.
Mysterious Soldier	Posted - 2011.01.21 12:04:00 - [112] Also, instead of treating the sansha as ncps; how about you treat them like real players and get some training on pvp. I'm new to the game and don't intend to live in high sec all my life. It's a safe place to grow up in but when i'm too big for my shoes i'll move on up to a bigger place. When dust comes out i'll be playing that too. I understand those veterans that find CCP changing for the worst but let us all see what happens first. You can still avoid the incursions from what I hear. Anyway, joining at least one could be helpful for you in terms of rewards. It' just a new storyline! Also, games will change with time, it's why they stay successful. EVE can't always be the same game forever. They need to keep up with the competition and everyone loyal needs to just accept that and make their own world out of it. Join the incursions or not, choice is yours and the sandbox exists; just has a few more fire ants crawling in the sand this time around. Burn the ants and you get your sandbox back. I hope the wingers take heed of this advice if they like their little world of harvesting ncps all day long. Help destroy the incursion and we get the game back to normal. Choice is yours people. Make it!
Cresalle	Posted - 2011.01.22 22:32:00 - [113] Edited by: Cresalle on 22/01/2011 22:32:23 Originally by: Debrie Edited by: Debrie on 19/01/2011 23:43:27 playing with yourself in a very empty universe Every day of my life, friend...
Wraithbane	Posted - 2011.01.23 05:17:00 - [114] Originally by: Selene Asteria Originally by: Wraithbane Oh well, then I guess I'll be moving on. I've always said that as long as I could run a few missions, mine a bit and collect battleships it was worth sticking around. Given their obvious attitude expressed in that video, its time to find another game. Forcing ones players to conform to ones Vision(tm) of how the game should be played, is more like Blizzards Ghostcrawler, than the EVE I've played for more than 5 years now. But people and companies change, and not always for the better. I wish you guys all the best. Soo...your that whiney carebear I'm always hearing about . Good riddance to you, and all of your whining pathetic friends that made similar comments . You haven't even tried it yet ,and you want to quit. Your the guy that stays in noob corp to haul, you're the guy that jumps corps in a wardec.....your the reason I suicide gank. Booooo whoooooo Chuckle... Calling me a CareBear shows just how far out of touch you are.^^ Reading comprehension doesn't appear to be your strong suit either. I clearly stated why I stayed in SWA. I don't like corp drama, and NPC corps can't be wardec'ed. I've never been in a player corp(check my stats), so your comment is nonsense. As for the rest, I see you have nothing constructive to bring to the conversation. Just more of the usual grade school mentality that we've come to expect from those who suicide gank. Its you and yours who are responsible for the evolution of Concord to what it is today. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot. Finally, I do not play games that dictate how I'm to play the game in this fashion. Over the last five plus years, CCP has been pretty good about letting people play in their own fashion. But with Incursions thats obviously changing. Oh well, there are many other games I can spend my time and money on.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.23 09:56:00 - [115] I too have some misgivings about CCP's latest ploy to force people to play the game one way. Though I look forward to the Sansha incursions with some excitement, it's a well-known public secret CCP prefers to see everyone PvP, and that they've long since given up on staying true to their sandbox model. Is that a good thing? It's obviously being cheered on by some folks. Turning all of EVE into a huge PvP zone may lose them customers, though (insert your gratuitous 'Good riddance!' comments here). Likely haulers/miners will stay docked up a for a while during incursions... only to quit the game soon thereafter (spinning in station is only fun for so long). Incursions may present some unforeseen problems (or forseseen, but ignored). Like what do high-sec haulers/miners/missioners do who don't have their corp based in high-sec? Or even near the system they're hauling? What, you think sending an email like this will work? "In system X. Please send 20 heavily armed ships to fight off incursions with me. Stop." Ain't gonna work. Corps will only get involved when a good portion of their members is affected; and if you don't happen to be in that particular system, you can kiss their help goodbye. Also a bit peeved about not getting individual rewards for fighting Sanshas solo. Way to motivate people to participate, CCP! Fleeting up with other players in system? Get real! You can't trust those people; and CCP provided nothing in the way of ensuring that you can. Working as intended, you say? Fine; but then don't expect people to fleet up with random players. Ain't gonna happpen. Now, if CCP changed things in such a way that fleet members can't target each other, then we might perhaps see some epic collaborative battles! Otherwise don't expect people to fleet up with random players. Ain't gonna happpen.
Starnap Concentrated Evil	Posted - 2011.01.23 14:27:00 - [116] Originally by: Ranka Mei Now, if CCP changed things in such a way that fleet members can't target each other, then we might perhaps see some epic collaborative battles! Otherwise don't expect people to fleet up with random players. Ain't gonna happpen. They already did. What game have you been playing these last couple years?
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.23 15:01:00 - [117] Originally by: Starnap Originally by: Ranka Mei Now, if CCP changed things in such a way that fleet members can't target each other, then we might perhaps see some epic collaborative battles! Otherwise don't expect people to fleet up with random players. Ain't gonna happpen. They already did. What game have you been playing these last couple years? What are you talking about, you silly man!? Of course fleet members can target and shoot each other! Good luck repping each other otherwise. They may get concorded when shooting you, but that never stopped a suicide ganker before.
shar Depran	Posted - 2011.03.07 16:24:00 - [118] Just finished an anal'isis of the recent incursion in Tenal and it revealed a few interesting facts if you exclude the almost universal reply of æAndÆ. 1, ratting/industry and mining was unaffected by the incursion in the area, members simply said sod it and moved outside the infected region. PI was unaffected. 2, for a number of days no attempt was made except by a few fools to tackle the problem, all but a few lost there shiny ships, shock/horror factor there I guess. 3, resolution was accomplished by outside parties invited in to clean house for free. I bet that you did not expect that slant on it did you. After this toons simply moved back into there preferred systems and continued as if nothing had happen. So CCP I would say based on this and conversations with the affected pilots, epic failure on your part yet again, suggest if your true aim was to make people leave the game a better idea would be to contract PL to infect the place, provide them with unlimited free ships set a time limit for occupation of three months and leave em to it. In reality the whole idea is half baked poorly thought out and has limited affect in infected systems as the psychology of the pilot cadre engaged in isk making in those systems causes them simply to move to a place they can continue to make isk, They need make no preparation for this nor is it hard for them to accomplish. They fully understand that in single ships they stand no chance of taking down a systems infection, CCP seeded ships are almost incapable of doing so, not enough resists, not enough DPS, in short not enough of anything useful unless you count numbers. If you put enough numbers into a system they become paralysed by lagg, loose there ships and all for nothing gained isk wise, most attempts are aborted quickly and the system is left unusable until an attempt is successful but pilots simply continue to play the game in other quarters. As for the incursions themselves again epic in failure, Ratting on a grand scale I heard one pilot put it, no isk to be made, silly points which few will ever realise into usable items and simple to accomplish for any organised Corp or Alliance, oh and the possibility of a single BP for the so called flying 'turd' is little incentive to even consider wasting time on the problem, pick up the phone and call the boys who can. So I would ask you yet again, what were you actually trying to achieve with this silly idea, seems you are hell bent on ignoring the problems already existent in the game electing instead to bloat it to unplayable proportions with ill thought out ideas devised by a bunch of immature script kiddies with to much time and money on there hands and zero comprehension of what makes eve pilots tick, suggest you rein them in for a month or two and divert there attention to solving the current rash of problems, then have them release a new game called maybe æI smoked hash today and thought of thisÆ. Best regards, disappointed.
SimoneIsGod	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:23:00 - [119] i love the incursions just wish there were move of them right now there is only 1 live incursion its in 0.0 and right now im looking at a 30 ship gate camp to get to it! for me the incursions are all about fleeting up with a bunch for friends going out and blowing stuff up normaly all on teamspeak and having a good time. Yes we could go roaming in lowsec looking for fights but the incursions make a nice change from this and involove the guys that arnt to keep on pvp So from me + 1 incursions just with there were more of them come on some hit the button!

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