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ManOfHonor	Posted - 2005.01.22 06:06:00 - [1] anyone got a nice PVP setup fr a Jag? jus got my 1st one an i cant wait to kick some arse with it (soon as i cough up the cash fr T2 guns also, im jus realy cheap) thanx ManOfHonor Roving Guns Ex-NORAD (finaly)
ManOfHonor	Posted - 2005.01.22 22:56:00 - [2] 103 reads but no replys! comon people!!! _____________________________ Honor Glory And Strength! Honor Above Self Glory For Self Strength Of Self (\_/) (^.^) (> <)
Karl Staf	Posted - 2005.01.22 23:23:00 - [3] have not had chanse to fly one myself, but somthing like this might work top: 3 280 one rocket launcher (whit defenders) med web caprecharger trackiong comp low: smal armor rep kinetic and explosiv hardener tech tow modules if possible _________ http://blades.stylii.com
Cattivo Freddo	Posted - 2005.01.22 23:25:00 - [4] I think its cos everyone wants to no how but no ones got the answer, i had a go at setting my one up but got annoyed so went and played with my Wolf.
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2005.01.23 01:16:00 - [5] Edited by: Shayla Sh'inlux on 23/01/2005 01:16:36 A got a two corpmates who can pilot Minmatar Assault ships and neither is very enthousiastic about either. I'd figure the Jag makes a good PvE ship considering you can actually shieldtank it pretty well and it's quite fast for an Assault ship. For PvP a 20km scrambler and 280's sound like a good idee, although you'd end up either being extremely vulnerablt to kinetic damage, or extremely slow. Neither look like a really good idea to me. Alternatively you can just be stubborn, fit a 20km scrambler, a tech II afterburner, a tracking computer and as many gyro's as you can fit. Maybe add in an armor plate and just kill whatever it is you want destroyed before you blow up. I dunno 'bout the wolf. It has good firepower, but lacks midslots to shieldtank or to trap and is impossible to armor tank due to the stupid resist spread and way low cpu. Sure, it handles Blood Raiders just fine, but that's about it. An Enyo, for example, has the same slot layout, but carries twice the firepower, can be armor tanked extremely well and doesn't really need a webber. In short, don't try to PvP with Minmatar Assaults, use a Wolf for killing Blood Raiders and a Jag for other forms of PvE ------------------------------------------------------- "Do you really think that's air you're breathing?"
Leshrac Shepherd	Posted - 2005.01.23 02:31:00 - [6] I run: Hi: 3x280mm II 1xStandard Launcher Med: 1xSmall Shield Booster II 1xStasis Webifier 1xT2 kinetic hardener (don't remember the name) Low: 2xPDU 1xTracking Enhancer II The bad news are that you usually have to rely on others to do the scrambling, The good news are that most standard frigs will be dead after the first volley. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
BrotherDeath	Posted - 2005.01.23 11:15:00 - [7] 3 150mm 2's 1 light launcher webber/war jammer, shield booster, MWD 2 Gyro 2's, 1 tracking enchancer 2. does excellent damage.
DaddyS	Posted - 2005.01.23 11:20:00 - [8] I bought myself a Jaguar yesterday and I am still trying to find a setup. That is what I used so far (I used tech I stuff to find the right setup - you might use named or tech II items): high: 3x250 mm + 1 standard launcher with light missiles med: webi, 20km scram, 1 MWD low: cap power relay, 1 armor hardener, 1 small repairer The bad news about it: I almost lost the Jaguar to a Kestrel when i tested the setup. The Kestrel used Thorn rockets (a damage type where the Jaguar is week). And I forgot to turn the hardener on (forgive me my this noob fault). So I would not say this is perfect setup. I am still playing around. Cheers DaddyS
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.01.23 11:28:00 - [9] Edited by: Grimpak on 23/01/2005 11:28:29 Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd I run: Hi: 3x280mm II 1xStandard Launcher Med: 1xSmall Shield Booster II 1xStasis Webifier 1xT2 kinetic hardener (don't remember the name) Low: 2xPDU 1xTracking Enhancer II The bad news are that you usually have to rely on others to do the scrambling, The good news are that most standard frigs will be dead after the first volley. ...almost as same as mine, only difference is the launcher (I have a rocket one) and the meds (1 named 1mn AB and a 20km scrammer here) oh and for those who are attempting to armour tank it: the wolf is better for that. jags are shield tankers. ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Ishan Shade	Posted - 2005.01.23 11:33:00 - [10] Edited by: Ishan Shade on 23/01/2005 11:34:43 Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Edited by: Shayla Sh'inlux on 23/01/2005 01:16:36 A got a two corpmates who can pilot Minmatar Assault ships and neither is very enthousiastic about either. ..... As being one of those corpmates, I have to correct you... I'm actually very happy with my Wolf! It can be armor tanked just fine for PvE and it will probably last a lot longer due to more cap. However it's no enyo, but that doesn't mean it's a bad ship. The enyo just has a better resistance spread, and uses hybrids instead of projectiles. my wolf setup As for the Jag, I think you should decide between building a shield tank with a possible scrambler or go allout EW. Edit: hhmm posted with wrong char.. dammit
slothe	Posted - 2005.01.23 19:24:00 - [11] Originally by: DaddyS I bought myself a Jaguar yesterday and I am still trying to find a setup. That is what I used so far (I used tech I stuff to find the right setup - you might use named or tech II items): high: 3x250 mm + 1 standard launcher with light missiles med: webi, 20km scram, 1 MWD low: cap power relay, 1 armor hardener, 1 small repairer The bad news about it: I almost lost the Jaguar to a Kestrel when i tested the setup. The Kestrel used Thorn rockets (a damage type where the Jaguar is week). And I forgot to turn the hardener on (forgive me my this noob fault). So I would not say this is perfect setup. I am still playing around. Cheers DaddyS this guy wasnt so lucky... 2005.01.20 21:09:00 Victim: Red Lantern Corporation: Black Omega Security Destroyed Type: Jaguar Solar System: 6-CZ49 System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: Octo (laid the final blow) Security Status: 4.4 Corporation: Millennium Ship Type: Kestrel Weapon Type: Thorn Rocket I Say hello on our forum @www.aserea.com or join our public channel ingame "MLM Public" http://www.khainestar.com/eve
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.01.23 20:25:00 - [12] Edited by: Grimpak on 23/01/2005 20:25:47 Originally by: slothe Originally by: DaddyS I bought myself a Jaguar yesterday and I am still trying to find a setup. That is what I used so far (I used tech I stuff to find the right setup - you might use named or tech II items): high: 3x250 mm + 1 standard launcher with light missiles med: webi, 20km scram, 1 MWD low: cap power relay, 1 armor hardener, 1 small repairer The bad news about it: I almost lost the Jaguar to a Kestrel when i tested the setup. The Kestrel used Thorn rockets (a damage type where the Jaguar is week). And I forgot to turn the hardener on (forgive me my this noob fault). So I would not say this is perfect setup. I am still playing around. Cheers DaddyS this guy wasnt so lucky... 2005.01.20 21:09:00 Victim: Red Lantern Corporation: Black Omega Security Destroyed Type: Jaguar Solar System: 6-CZ49 System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: Octo (laid the final blow) Security Status: 4.4 Corporation: Millennium Ship Type: Kestrel Weapon Type: Thorn Rocket I neither was I slothe Quote: Victim: Grimpak Corporation: The Company Destroyed Type: Jaguar Solar System: M2-CF1 System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: RagedyMan (laid the final blow) Security Status: 0.1 Corporation: Supremacy Ship Type: Harpy Weapon Type: Sabretooth Light Missile I Name: Red Lantern Security Status: 2.0 Corporation: Black Omega Security Ship Type: Cyclone Weapon Type: Unknown Warn Octo (he knows who I am) that she went down in a blaze of glory Payed her cost several times before she went down. ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.01.23 20:47:00 - [13] jaguar sux.....faught one in my enyo, had 70% armor when jaguar went down...and I didnt even had Explosive hardner... B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2005.01.23 20:55:00 - [14] I must say i have no faith in the minmatar assaults. Fought a wolf in my ishkur the other day, explosive hardener and small t2 rep for tanking, he was down in less than 10 seconds to my recollection, half hull, warped off, left me at 100% armour. I found this pretty pathetic to be brutal. __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.01.23 21:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Bad'Boy jaguar sux.....faught one in my enyo, had 70% armor when jaguar went down...and I didnt even had Explosive hardner... ..I wouldn't fight a caldari or gallente Afrig with a jag that's true. Still I grew pretty fond if it. Killed a crow and a malediction pretty easily with 280mm howies without using a web. ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.01.23 21:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Bad'Boy jaguar sux.....faught one in my enyo, had 70% armor when jaguar went down...and I didnt even had Explosive hardner... ..I wouldn't fight a caldari or gallente Afrig with a jag that's true. Still I grew pretty fond if it. Killed a crow and a malediction pretty easily with 280mm howies without using a web. I like the speed of that thing, was actuly thinking about training for one...but I got so many other skills I need.. B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.01.23 21:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Bad'Boy Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Bad'Boy jaguar sux.....faught one in my enyo, had 70% armor when jaguar went down...and I didnt even had Explosive hardner... ..I wouldn't fight a caldari or gallente Afrig with a jag that's true. Still I grew pretty fond if it. Killed a crow and a malediction pretty easily with 280mm howies without using a web. I like the speed of that thing, was actuly thinking about training for one...but I got so many other skills I need.. well.. the ship is worth it.. plus it's not that expensive, compared with the others ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Magorath	Posted - 2005.01.23 22:10:00 - [18] Minmatar assaults start to fall short when they fight Caldari and Gallente assaults. They do the job against all none elite frigs (bar kestrals) and most ceptors. The Jaguar is more of a support ship then a solo fighter.
Rexy	Posted - 2005.01.23 22:21:00 - [19] i wouldn't engage any AF in my jaguar or wolf , bar maybe another jag or wolf :). the gallente and amar frigs can tank the damage dealt by these things easily while easily penetrating the tank, if it exists at all, of a wolf/jag. All i want for cristmas is a typhoon with launcher rof bonus :)
Vicker Lahn'se	Posted - 2005.01.23 22:28:00 - [20] You people are having trouble because you're using it wrong. Why on earth do you put artillery on your frigates? The only use I can see for small artillery is if frigates are the only ships you can fly. I use tech2 200mm autocannons. 200mm autocannons operate at a closer range and have higher DOT than artillery. Combine this with a tech2 1MN afterburner and orbit at 2500m. Hardly anybody can hit a frigate moving this close and this fast. Personally, I'm a bigger fan of the Wolf, but the Jaguar would be better if you want the capabilities to tackle. For med slots on a Jaguar I would recommend: tech2 1MN afterburner, a small shield booster, and a warp inhibitor. Low slots, have a party, do what you want. Personally, tech2 gyrostabilizers turn me on. Some of you guys might prefer armor hardeners, though.
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.01.23 22:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se You people are having trouble because you're using it wrong. Why on earth do you put artillery on your frigates? The only use I can see for small artillery is if frigates are the only ships you can fly. I use tech2 200mm autocannons. 200mm autocannons operate at a closer range and have higher DOT than artillery. Combine this with a tech2 1MN afterburner and orbit at 2500m. Hardly anybody can hit a frigate moving this close and this fast. Personally, I'm a bigger fan of the Wolf, but the Jaguar would be better if you want the capabilities to tackle. For med slots on a Jaguar I would recommend: tech2 1MN afterburner, a small shield booster, and a warp inhibitor. Low slots, have a party, do what you want. Personally, tech2 gyrostabilizers turn me on. Some of you guys might prefer armor hardeners, though. erm... jags are made for artys... look at the bonuses... ------------------- Quote: Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.01.24 05:24:00 - [22] Edited by: Bad'Boy on 24/01/2005 05:24:18 Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se You people are having trouble because you're using it wrong. Why on earth do you put artillery on your frigates? The only use I can see for small artillery is if frigates are the only ships you can fly. I use tech2 200mm autocannons. 200mm autocannons operate at a closer range and have higher DOT than artillery. Combine this with a tech2 1MN afterburner and orbit at 2500m. Hardly anybody can hit a frigate moving this close and this fast. Personally, I'm a bigger fan of the Wolf, but the Jaguar would be better if you want the capabilities to tackle. For med slots on a Jaguar I would recommend: tech2 1MN afterburner, a small shield booster, and a warp inhibitor. Low slots, have a party, do what you want. Personally, tech2 gyrostabilizers turn me on. Some of you guys might prefer armor hardeners, though. thats like putting AB on taranis with blasters ... B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
DaddyS	Posted - 2005.01.24 07:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se You people are having trouble because you're using it wrong. Why on earth do you put artillery on your frigates? The only use I can see for small artillery is if frigates are the only ships you can fly. I use tech2 200mm autocannons. 200mm autocannons operate at a closer range and have higher DOT than artillery. Combine this with a tech2 1MN afterburner and orbit at 2500m. Hardly anybody can hit a frigate moving this close and this fast. Personally, I'm a bigger fan of the Wolf, but the Jaguar would be better if you want the capabilities to tackle. For med slots on a Jaguar I would recommend: tech2 1MN afterburner, a small shield booster, and a warp inhibitor. Low slots, have a party, do what you want. Personally, tech2 gyrostabilizers turn me on. Some of you guys might prefer armor hardeners, though. erm... jags are made for artys... look at the bonuses... Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% Small Projectile damage bonus, 15% EM and 10% Thermal resistance bonus to Shield and Armor per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% Small Projectile Turret optimal range and 5% Tracking Speed per le The bonuses are for small projectile turrets. So they work for artillery and autocannons. DaddyS
DaddyS	Posted - 2005.01.24 07:46:00 - [24] Originally by: slothe Originally by: DaddyS I bought myself a Jaguar yesterday and I am still trying to find a setup. That is what I used so far (I used tech I stuff to find the right setup - you might use named or tech II items): high: 3x250 mm + 1 standard launcher with light missiles med: webi, 20km scram, 1 MWD low: cap power relay, 1 armor hardener, 1 small repairer The bad news about it: I almost lost the Jaguar to a Kestrel when i tested the setup. The Kestrel used Thorn rockets (a damage type where the Jaguar is week). And I forgot to turn the hardener on (forgive me my this noob fault). So I would not say this is perfect setup. I am still playing around. Cheers DaddyS this guy wasnt so lucky... 2005.01.20 21:09:00 Victim: Red Lantern Corporation: Black Omega Security Destroyed Type: Jaguar Solar System: 6-CZ49 System Security Level: 0.0 Involved parties: Name: Octo (laid the final blow) Security Status: 4.4 Corporation: Millennium Ship Type: Kestrel Weapon Type: Thorn Rocket I I can imagine how the guy felt. When you loose a 15 Mil (including mods) ship to a Kestrel. I was in structure too when the Kestrel exploded. DaddyS
Illystin De'Vir	Posted - 2005.01.24 11:38:00 - [25] I was able to tank a geddon in my wolf.... havn't tried a Jaguar fully yet, but I'd recommend pretty much what everyone else has. 3x 250mm 1x Missle (Standard or Rocket) 1x AB 2, 1x 20km Scram, 1x Cap Recharger 2 1x t2 Small Armor Rep, 1x Armor Plate or Hardner, 1x Power Relay ----
unnamed hero	Posted - 2005.01.24 11:50:00 - [26] well jaguar is damn fastest af out there... with ab it goes 300m/s faster than other af... so use speed
DaddyS	Posted - 2005.01.24 11:56:00 - [27] Originally by: unnamed hero well jaguar is damn fastest af out there... with ab it goes 300m/s faster than other af... so use speed but when you go for speed why not using a MWD? the jag makes more than 2000m/s with a tech II MWD. it is damn hard to hit.
Rexy	Posted - 2005.01.24 13:45:00 - [28] 200mm's seem pointless n combat, a set of blaster will do more damage then :/ All i want for cristmas is a typhoon with launcher rof bonus :)
Vicker Lahn'se	Posted - 2005.01.24 16:38:00 - [29] Blasters only do kinetic and thermal damage.
ponieus	Posted - 2005.01.24 16:51:00 - [30] If i was to fly a Wolf I would never in my life put 280's on there.. Autocannons for the win.. bout got me arse handed to me buy a inty in my AS that was using autocannons..

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