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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.02.16 21:59:00 -
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Hey at 5% interest PER WEEK give them 2 billion and get a plex and change a month entirely passively.
Seems legit.
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Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2011.02.16 22:18:00 -
[32]
I am by no means advocating giving them any ISK, invest at your own risk basically. Yes I'm leary of local trade hubs and about %98 of it is all garbage, but once in a while there is a legit offering.
I also like to point out that a Goon giving advice and opinions on scams still makes me laugh, even if it is a Goon that is respectable. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others. |
Amdor Renevat
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Posted - 2011.02.16 22:24:00 -
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I saw the phaserinc add yesterday and gave it a read.
Really nice website, chocked full of buzzwords and synergy. However nowhere did I see anything that talked about what the heck they were actually doing to make money. If it's investing then I figured I'll eventually find something on this board I can throw some spare isk'ies at one day.
The other thing that made me go "hmmmm" was the interest rate. 5% a week sounds like an awful lot of return. That's 20% a month if my admittedly poor math skills are accurate. The only thing that I've see return at such a rate would be the MasCrem 'not a scam'.
So you've got flashy website, lots of key phrases, no real business plan, and a high interest rate. I'm admittedly new to investing, but something just doesn't seem quite right with this.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.16 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kneebone I also like to point out that a Goon giving advice and opinions on scams still makes me laugh, even if it is a Goon that is respectable.
Do you go to a doctor when you want to know something medical?
Do you go to a physicist when you want to understand physics?
Do you go to a hipster if you want to know why trucker hats are "ironic"?
Why is this different?
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Romulus IXI
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Posted - 2011.02.16 22:57:00 -
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This is a really tough issue with this game. If Phaser Inc. explains their business plan, someone else will do it with 5.5% interest and kill the plan. But I do agree that if Phaser Inc. wants to succeed, they must put up hard facts that can be verified by another, well notarized organization. Also hard to do.
I don't have nearly enough isk to warrant investing but was interested by the forum post and the responses.
If it's a scam, so be it and all the people who fall for it are screwed.
But if it's real, the people who extend their trust will surely profit.
Trust and respect are the most important asset is Eve and dreadfully hard to accrue. Best of luck Phaser Inc.
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egola
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.16 23:22:00 -
[36]
honestly surprised no one did a dummy account yet
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Seven Sins
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Posted - 2011.02.16 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: Seven Sins on 16/02/2011 23:30:09 I have recently invested a small amount to Phaser inc after having a nice chat with Mordor Exuel. If they are scammers then they are the best I have ever seen. From chatting with Mordor Exuel he came across as polite, honest and genuine. Not once did he come across as being pushy or trying to give a feel of a 'time limited' investment like all other scammers do. Hell I even waited 2 days after chatting to him to transfer my isk. Not once did he convo me or badger me to find out where it was.
Those that think attacking them with symantics, or picking holes in their gramatical structures.. gave me the best giggles while reading your posts. Take a step back, see how silly you are and then ask them constructive questions.
I believe in what they have to offer.
Good luck guys!
Sev
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.02.17 00:05:00 -
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My main concern would be the scalability of the matter. It gets exponentially harder to make isk the higher you go. What happens when they have 100 accounts for 1 billion? or a thousand?
It also has the potential to be the most epic, low effort scam ever. Put site together, set up spam bot, profit!
So who knows.
What's wrong with advertising in hubs? That a lot of messages in hubs are scams does not mean they all are.
I can see why he wouldn't advertise here though.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.17 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tutskii
I can see why he wouldn't advertise here though.
Yea. Me too. People might actually call him out on his horrible business plan, and laugh as he tried to collect "smart money".
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.17 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Kneebone I also like to point out that a Goon giving advice and opinions on scams still makes me laugh, even if it is a Goon that is respectable.
Do you go to a doctor when you want to know something medical?
Do you go to a physicist when you want to understand physics?
Do you go to a hipster if you want to know why trucker hats are "ironic"?
Why is this different?
The flaw in your argument is that none of those people are renowned for making their living through deception.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.17 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Jameson
Originally by: Kalrand
Do you go to a doctor when you want to know something medical?
Do you go to a physicist when you want to understand physics?
Do you go to a hipster if you want to know why trucker hats are "ironic"?
Why is this different?
The flaw in your argument is that none of those people are renowned for making their living through deception.
The flaw in your argument is that you completely missed my point.
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Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2011.02.17 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Nathan Jameson
Originally by: Kalrand
Do you go to a doctor when you want to know something medical?
Do you go to a physicist when you want to understand physics?
Do you go to a hipster if you want to know why trucker hats are "ironic"?
Why is this different?
The flaw in your argument is that none of those people are renowned for making their living through deception.
The flaw in your argument is that you completely missed my point.
It takes a scammer to spot a scammer! That being said it is 20Mil invested, hardly a bank breaker.
I also spoke with M and he seems a good cat, my "pirate scamming" sense didn't go off and I've had those for 2+ years and has served me well. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others. |
Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.17 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kneebone
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Nathan Jameson
Originally by: Kalrand
Do you go to a doctor when you want to know something medical?
Do you go to a physicist when you want to understand physics?
Do you go to a hipster if you want to know why trucker hats are "ironic"?
Why is this different?
The flaw in your argument is that none of those people are renowned for making their living through deception.
The flaw in your argument is that you completely missed my point.
It takes a scammer to spot a scammer! That being said it is 20Mil invested, hardly a bank breaker.
I also spoke with M and he seems a good cat, my "pirate scamming" sense didn't go off and I've had those for 2+ years and has served me well.
The flaw in that logic is that with only 20million isk invested he's not going to scam you, it's not worth the possible reputation bust compared with potentially getting you to invest more later. "Testing the waters" with a small amount of isk into something to see if it is a scam does not work if the scammer intends to continue pulling in more isk later, especially when he knows up front that your amount is a test.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar The Mighty 13th
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Posted - 2011.02.17 13:05:00 -
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Soooo, it's a scam. But it's not a scam, until it IS a scam?
Just want to make sure I understand.
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.17 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: KaarBaak
Soooo, it's a scam. But it's not a scam, until it IS a scam?
Just want to make sure I understand.
Someone offering you 20%/month, advertising in local in market hubs, and claiming to do what the people around here who "know a thing or two" say isn't going to work does not bode well for their long term prospects.
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Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2011.02.17 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123 The flaw in that logic is that with only 20million isk invested he's not going to scam you, it's not worth the possible reputation bust compared with potentially getting you to invest more later. "Testing the waters" with a small amount of isk into something to see if it is a scam does not work if the scammer intends to continue pulling in more isk later, especially when he knows up front that your amount is a test.
It covers some of my taxes and broker fees for the week. Even a lot of small amounts add up in the long run. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others. |
Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.17 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kneebone
Originally by: Caldariftw123 The flaw in that logic is that with only 20million isk invested he's not going to scam you, it's not worth the possible reputation bust compared with potentially getting you to invest more later. "Testing the waters" with a small amount of isk into something to see if it is a scam does not work if the scammer intends to continue pulling in more isk later, especially when he knows up front that your amount is a test.
It covers some of my taxes and broker fees for the week. Even a lot of small amounts add up in the long run.
Yeah that's fine, just saying as a test of his integrity it is meaningless .. but as a couple million isk now and then fine, that's nice and adds up I guess.
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carmo pereira
the muppets RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.02.17 15:10:00 -
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some questions:
1. what's the total ammount that you like to use? 5b, 10, 15b? 2. are you making week previews? is there a estimated % for current week, or not? (like a weekly goal). saying 5%fixed is not enough. 3. how you do the splits? according to the percentage of each one in the total "cake"? 4. is there a grace period for the new investors? like one week or something?
fyi i've set up a investment concept like this in the past. and if you don't make strict rules for others and for yourself, this is going to be a fail concept, not a "new investment concept".
you need to inform whats your idea thru the forum, not thru the webpage. that's one of the mainly principles of MD. "everything posted, everyone informed"
best regards. carmo
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Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted, and the problem is I do not know which half Lord Leverhulme 1851-1925, British founder of Unilever and philanthropist |
Eddie Lampert
Phaser Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.18 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Eddie Lampert on 18/02/2011 13:15:41 Edited by: Eddie Lampert on 18/02/2011 13:08:49
Originally by: carmo pereira
1. what's the total ammount that you like to use? 5b, 10, 15b?
Im not 100% sure what you ask here. I think you mean the total amount of all investments together. The answer is that we don't have a fixed amount defined. It depends on the number of traders in our corporations. If we expand our traders, we expand our trade budget and allow more and larger investments.
Originally by: carmo pereira
2. are you making week previews? is there a estimated % for current week, or not? (like a weekly goal). saying 5%fixed is not enough.
We do make week previews. Every week we balance all the results of the past week and set our goals for the coming weeks. The week after we review wether we reached our goals or not. We also update again our goals/targets for the next two/three weeks.
5% fixed interest is the interest we pay to our investors, always, every week. Therefor, of course, 5% wont be enough to keep phaser running. Simply because Phaser was designed to make profit. If we would have 5% profit on our trade activities, Phaser Inc would be pointless. We would only work for our investors, and wouldnt get any profit ourselves.
Originally by: carmo pereira
3. how you do the splits? according to the percentage of each one in the total "cake"?
Quite simple. Every one gets 5% interest, and if trading seems to go well we give a small extra percentage. There is no cake to be split. In your online account is visible the total balance of your investment with Phaser Inc. Interest is calculated on that balance.
Originally by: carmo pereira
4. is there a grace period for the new investors? like one week or something?
Grace period can be explained in multiple ways, im not sure which one you mean. But new investors will get interest from the day they start to invest. If that happens to be in the middle of a week, we calculate the interest percentage pro rata based on the days left in that week. On Monday, it will be set at 5%. An investor can withdraw his ISK at any point of time. If an investor wants his ISK back in the middle of a week, there is no interest that specific week. Withdrawal requests are not limited by any means, and will be processed within 24 hours.
This MD isnt started by Phaser Inc, so thats why there isnt a decent first post with all information.
En about the possibility of failing, we are very aware of that. The most most crucial thing whe worked on before we started was our Risk Assesment. We looked at this in a lot of ways. Risk of being scammed by traders who work for us, risk of bad trading weeks combined with very large withdrawals, risks of being attacked when flying a jump freighter, and getting wardecs etc etc.
We took measures to reduce those risks and we believe we are in good shape at the moment. Of course our risk profile is under constant monitoring. If anyone is interested in the measures taken I can describe them briefly later. ------------------------------------------------ Get at least 5% interest a week with Phaser Inc. |
Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2011.02.18 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Eddie Lampert
If anyone is interested in the measures taken I can describe them briefly later.
I guess this would be a good idea for at least two reasons: MD can see that you really put some measures in place (and spent some time thinking about possible problems/risks) and someone might spot out a hole in your security scenario which you are currently not aware of. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
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Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2011.02.22 21:35:00 -
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First weeks' payout reiceved as stated. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others. |
Khanid Voltar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.02.22 22:39:00 -
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Have invested 1B, will report back to MD on how it goes.
Its a bit of a gamble, but 1B is hardly a lot of isk these days and it will be interesting to see how it goes.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.22 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Khanid Voltar Have invested 1B, will report back to MD on how it goes.
Its a bit of a gamble, but 1B is hardly a lot of isk these days and it will be interesting to see how it goes.
Have you ever thought about buying KalBonds?
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Khanid Voltar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.02.22 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Khanid Voltar on 22/02/2011 22:59:38 Edited by: Khanid Voltar on 22/02/2011 22:59:15
Originally by: Kalrand
Have you ever thought about buying KalBonds?
Why, are they a gamble too?
Just kidding, you have evemail :).
[edit.] punctuation.
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Internet White Knight
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Posted - 2011.02.23 02:13:00 -
[55]
I can't believe nobody has said it yet.
"Mr Spock, set phasers to SCAM!" |
Vicious Cell
Amarr Black Dragon Crime Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.02 14:17:00 -
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This business is legit. People need to stop hating on him so much.
However, I do suggest that the company owners set up some sort of official forum thread. It would definitely help alleviate the suspicions a little bit. |
Firid Soulbane
Kickass inc Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.08 07:55:00 -
[57]
This is all just a bit too neat.
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CaptainSyler
Minmatar Dutch Power Boats
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Posted - 2011.03.08 10:11:00 -
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i saw one of them posting in Dodixie local, so want to tried it, i gave 10mil and a week later i get 1m 430k that is 4.3· intrest :)
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Companion Qube
Minmatar Electron Conservation Inc
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Posted - 2011.03.08 10:12:00 -
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I'm surprised no one has used the word ponzi yet. Whoever is running "phaser inc" is doing exactly the same thing Reithe did with Deison's Investment Fund. Sorry kids, if this is your first "investment" in eve you might as well kiss your money goodbye.
drunkpoasting best poasting |
Eddie Lampert
Phaser Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.08 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Eddie Lampert on 08/03/2011 22:55:03
Originally by: CaptainSyler i saw one of them posting in Dodixie local, so want to tried it, i gave 10mil and a week later i get 1m 430k that is 4.3· intrest :)
I take liberty here to add one thing. This 4.3% interest, to take CaptainSyler's post as an example, is caused by the fact a deposit(initial or additional) is done somewhere in the middle of the week.
In those cases we decide not to reserve the amount and wait to pay interest when a full week is completed. We recalculate the interest pro rato the days left in that week.
Im sure CaptainSyler didnt mean to complain about us or whatever, but still I felt Id better explain it before someone misunderstands the investment concept. ------------------------------------------------ Get at least 5% interest a week with Phaser Inc. |
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