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Lando Antilles
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Posted - 2011.04.02 20:20:00 -
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Speaking of Ponzi's...
Has anyone yet started an official Ponzi? Would such a business model we welcomed or derided by the community?
Assuming that it was clear to be a Ponzi from the beginning (acknowledged as such by the creators), how many generations of clients do you think would partake?
food for thought. ---------------------- My *locked* EVE CV |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.02 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lando Antilles Has anyone yet started an official Ponzi? Would such a business model we welcomed or derided by the community? Assuming that it was clear to be a Ponzi from the beginning (acknowledged as such by the creators), how many generations of clients do you think would partake?
Already been done. When the api first came out some guy ran an official Ponzi game site. People kept depositing and withdrawing (+interest) until the pot went empty. Then the game started anew.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Rasz Lin
Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Lando Antilles Has anyone yet started an official Ponzi? Would such a business model we welcomed or derided by the community? Assuming that it was clear to be a Ponzi from the beginning (acknowledged as such by the creators), how many generations of clients do you think would partake?
Already been done. When the api first came out some guy ran an official Ponzi game site. People kept depositing and withdrawing (+interest) until the pot went empty. Then the game started anew.
I think that one was called EBANK
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.04.03 17:34:00 -
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I'm one of the happy customers.
Deposited 100 Million ISK and yet have to become disappointed.
I once even got more than 5%, just as they stated.
To be honest, i believe this kind of scam will take at least half a year to a year ... that's why i'm partaking.
Given 100 Mill at 20%/week i get 5 Mill a week, which means it takes 20 Weeks until ROI.
Works for me.
It really doesn't matter if it's a scam ... ... as long as you get out soon enough. ^^
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00Payton00
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Posted - 2011.04.16 07:28:00 -
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The Idea makes sense, if you think about the EVE Market. The market is full of junk, and yes prices do fluctuate on that junk, but there is always a crapload of just random junk to buy and sell. Making 5-10% is probably less than average for an average joe in his freighter. Imagine if your funds to buy and sell were, well Infinite.
Combine this with an honest Guy and you have lots of free Plex, and lots of lost RL dollars for CCP. If he is an honest guy, I think CCP would have to figure a way to squash it.
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Khanid Voltar
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Posted - 2011.04.16 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: 00Payton00
Combine this with an honest Guy and you have lots of free Plex, and lots of lost RL dollars for CCP. If he is an honest guy, I think CCP would have to figure a way to squash it.
I think you are missing the point that in order for player A to buy a plex on the market, Player B has to have put it on the market for sale.
CCP lose zero RL dollars on the deal, as 2 plex have already been purchased via a GTC. If anything CCP actually gains from plex as there is an excess amount of unused Plex on the market at any one time; ergo plex = subscription paid up front. And unless they decide to withdraw Plex at some point in the future they will always be ahead.
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Liosa Rearl
Caldari The Lost Legion Bang Bang You're Dead
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:09:00 -
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I came across the advert while moving ****e on my alt.
I'm going to throw them 100 mil as soon as Eddie actually picks up my invite to convo so I can ask some personal questions T_T. I've been playing 4 years out haven't been scammed yet. And it doesn't smell like a scam.
So if i lose 100 mil? huh wassat? 1 hour of semi afk work? Heh, if you're too poor don't invest kids. If you spent more time playing instead of whining here, you'd make more isk to spend on whims like this. Only thing I'm worried about is that they limit the amount of people joining.
Cheers Liosa Rearl
"If you can't accept the fact that you're going to get shafted, quit the bloody game." |
Brock Nelson
Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:16:00 -
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Why did Led remove all of his messages from this thread? Kinda pointless given that its all saved on eve-search.com
Investor Relation | IPO Doc | BSAC SE Listing |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson Why did Led remove all of his messages from this thread? Kinda pointless given that its all saved on eve-search.com
I pointed out the same thing to him here. It seems for a day or so he got all emoraged out and starting nuking his own posts. Ironically he stopped doing it and went back to posting like nothing happened. I guess it is a good day when you get back on your meds.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Brock Nelson
Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:53:00 -
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WTB Led's bond/ipo or whatever scam he's coming out with
Investor Relation | IPO Doc | BSAC SE Listing |
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Angus McSpork
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.23 06:25:00 -
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Edited by: Angus McSpork on 23/04/2011 06:28:46 You know, I was gonna repost every reply Lederhosen or whatever posted in this thread until I realized I just didn't care..
If you *really* care have a read here: http://eve-search.com/thread/1449102
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.04.23 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson Why did Led remove all of his messages from this thread? Kinda pointless given that its all saved on eve-search.com
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1494032&page=1#6 |
Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.04.23 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral It seems for a day or so he got all emoraged out and starting nuking his own posts.
It's a gesture.
As is the fact that I did delete my bugreports, too.
I smile at bugs on a daily base now.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.23 11:56:00 -
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See what you did Brock? You spoke his name and now his mouth has fallen open and does not appear to be shutting any time soon.
/joke
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.04.24 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral now his mouth has fallen open and does not appear to be shutting any time soon.
Like in pointing out avatar similarities and communication errors over and over again? *yawn*
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Anadonte
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Posted - 2011.04.25 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Amdor Renevat I saw the phaserinc add yesterday and gave it a read.
Really nice website, chocked full of buzzwords and synergy. However nowhere did I see anything that talked about what the heck they were actually doing to make money. If it's investing then I figured I'll eventually find something on this board I can throw some spare isk'ies at one day.
The other thing that made me go "hmmmm" was the interest rate. 5% a week sounds like an awful lot of return. That's 20% a month if my admittedly poor math skills are accurate. The only thing that I've see return at such a rate would be the MasCrem 'not a scam'.
You can actually compound the interest too according to them, so it's 1+r^n for the equation. (R is the rate of return-5% or .05, and n is the number of periods, or weeks, your willing to invest in it and continue the investment.) Do the math, 1.05^52(to get annual rate), an you end up ith a 12.642808 return on investment, or 1,264.281% annually. With no direct implications as to HOW they generate said income, I call scam right there. Daytrading in real life or not, I find it difficult to believe a 1300% return solid, without any risk to the investors.
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Vera Zela
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Posted - 2011.05.04 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Vera Zela on 04/05/2011 01:06:00 So yeah, check it out, instead of just speculating, I actually decided to research it. I did in-game links of many of those people who gave testimonies. Many of them had moved around to multiple corps, had bios, alliances, no connections between their corps/alliances, etc etc. Either this is a scam involving people from multiple corps and alliances, stretching all across EVE, or those guys are really thorough about making their dummy toons appear real. I suppose with the amount of money involved, I could see that being worth the effort, but who knows. I even started adding their testimonial people to my watchlist. The 3rd one I added was online. I sent him a convo and he responded. Said he was making about 50-60 mil off them a week. He appeared legit. I tipped him 20mil for taking the time to answer my questions, and I'm now going to try out the initial investment. I'll post again if it works out. My in game name is Vik Flagge, if anyone wants to check me out and see if I'm for real. Feel free to convo me. Peace, fly safe, and do your research before you discount something completely as a scam. Or keep your investment to a minimum and take a chance.
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Vera Zela
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Posted - 2011.05.04 01:02:00 -
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Edited by: Vera Zela on 04/05/2011 01:06:22 Wrong character, this was an alt on my other account, but Vik Flagge is still the name. Woops.
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Vera Zela
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Posted - 2011.05.10 00:01:00 -
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Check this out. Phaser Inc could be legit, or it could be one of these. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme It's definitely not a straight "Gimme your isk" scam. They give you back the interest from your initial investment. Check the link, but basically, they take the money from the newest investors and give it to the first investors, then give the 3rd investor's money to the second investor and so on and so on. It eventually collapses for the most part, but for the first guy to fall for it, if he pulls out soon enough, he makes bank. If this is a ponzi scheme, your best bet is to go big and get out quick. 1 billion invested, you'd make 100mil in 2 weeks. Pull your cash, and you've got a quick 100mil. If you keep that 100mil in, and the scheme collapses, you don't lose. You risk more money at one time, but trying to go small to test the waters plays into the scheme's mechanics. Most people do that, test the waters, so the scheme can bloat without collapsing from its own wait. And they don't catch wind. The fact that Phaser Inc claims their goal of controlled growth is actually very clever. It could be the truth, or it could be that they don't want an investor to throw 10 billion in, drying up their accumulated growth, and then pulling out when he's made 1 billion in 2 weeks. They reserve the right to send large amounts back if they don't have the growth to cover it. This could be because they can't trade fast enough to cover massive investments like that, or it could be because they don't want the ponzi to collapse. One thing that actually leads me to lean more towards ponzi is the fact that they don't take employees. They claim to want controlled growth so they can trade fast enough to cover their investors interest. But if they have only 5 traders, there's a certain point where they max out their buy orders and can only trade so much. If they don't take new employees to work their markets, they can't grow anymore. But if they do a slow growth policy with a ponzi scheme, it can continue to grow as long as they have enough room on their spreadsheets. Lol.
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Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.25 15:40:00 -
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I'd like to drop my opinion into the hat.
Ive had a few friends recommend phaser to me. so far i have had no problems with Phaser so far. ive invested for several weeks now.
I also have shares in evebank. I understand when crap happens. My advice to anyone investing in anything.
Dont expect anything from unregulated people. The eve bank liquidation showed me just how trustworthy some people can be. at any point those guys could of cut and run. 1.5 years later they are shoving cash back into my account. not alot but thats what happens when it goes WRONG!. So far Im happy with phaser. I would recommend an investment to anyone with spare cash. dont ever bet your life here.
To those people scared to invest. you could probably make more from your money by doing it yourself. 5% profit can be achieved easy enough. just takes a bit of thought. if you are not sure. stick 20mill in and watch 1mill come back to you weekly. If it doesnt please post as soon as possible.
If you have not invested in Phaser.. your comments are baseless whether correct or not. just screaming PONZI every time you see a corp do something big without even bothering to try it out, you are just ****ing in the wind.
I will be the first to call scam IF i am indeed scammed. I didnt call it at evebank (as it was bad apples) and i have no need or evidence to call scam here.
keep up the good steady work guys. id be happy to see you as an institution. if you would like to add a few 100mill to my account for being so nice all the better:)
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Jacasta Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.26 16:16:00 -
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I have both a personal and corporate account with Phaser Inc and have had all of this year. One is a re-invest and the other a payout account. I have been paid out every week without fail and been able to make changes to my re-invest account quickly and without trouble.
I was at first concerned that perhaps Phaser Inc was an elaborate scam however I have been pleasently suprised. I also intend to increase my investment.
I appreciate that doubt will easily exist however I see no reason for some of the comments suggesting certainty of fraud. I am more than happy to offer a personal testimony in game to anyone who wishes and wish Phaser inc continued success.
Ms Khan CEO - Boundless Solutions
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Moudy
CommunityGamer
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:04:00 -
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I invested about 630 million ISK for a few weeks and was able to get back 765 million within 24 hours of my request to cash out my account for an emergency.
I trust these guys
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Kal Rensic
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Posted - 2011.07.14 06:07:00 -
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I've been invested with Phaser for four months now. Like many I thought for sure it was a scam, but the generally good reviews caused me to sink a little in. That little has since grown to 2.5B, with regular payouts which three times went above the promised 5%. I can buy PLEX by sitting on my butt and doing nothing now.
In these four months, I've received 1.6B in payments. At the current rate, I will have been paid-out my investment in seven weeks (Aug 22 2011) so even if Phaser did run away with all of my investment at that point, I lose nothing and likely gained a little. Heck, if they cut and run on me today I'm only out 900M. I like these guys, I trust these guys, and I'll go on record saying so.
And for you "internet detectives" I'll save you the time on your WHOIS skillz. I live near Chicago and don't give one crap if you think I'm still somehow an alt for a EU player.
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Jita Tradedrone
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Posted - 2011.07.14 11:20:00 -
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If this is a scam, its the best there ever was, already got more payed out than my original investment. So i am past caring if its a scam or not.
Just as with everything in eve, eventually it will collapse and all isk sill in it will be lost. But why not enjoy the ride while it lasts.
As said, i will be laughing all the way from now on :)
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TitanEndGame
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Posted - 2011.07.23 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Londo Cebb
Originally by: Eddie Lampert We have a policy we never ever mention our traders and investors names in public forums and the public part of our own website.
This statement is false. A simple addition like this:
Originally by: Eddie Lampert We have a policy we never ever mention our traders and investors names in public forums and the public part of our own website without their permission.
Would make it a true statement.
It's semantics really. The site does mention investor names in the public section of the site.
If you work under the assumption that they really are investors and not alts or in on the scam *
So.... Londo... What was the date/time of your last Anal Probe? Do you wear a Tin-Foil hat as well? Go play your game... Let others play theirs as they see fit... I have an Acct. with Phaser Inc.and have not been dissapointed yet. Apparently, not everyone wanting to run a buisness where both Investors AND the Operators profit, is as guilty as you so obviously imply... I will not be watching this topic further, so your Trolling Response will not be seen or replied to by me...or anyone i know... Go Troll your mother. Leave the rest of us alone.
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El 1974
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Posted - 2011.07.27 15:46:00 -
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First of all I think it's possible to run such a business legitimately. I almost asked for a loan against similar intrest so I could finance my trading, but instead decided to be patient and make my fortune with my own isk. I now have sufficient money to invest in these kind of ventures. But I'll let this deal pass.
Both characters have 0.0 standing with Concord. They clearly haven't been missioning. That's suspicious to me because standings reduce the brokers fees you have to pay. It looks like they are not very good traders or even scammers. A good trader only needs to borrow money once and pays off his loan a few weeks later so he can focus on what he's good at.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.27 15:54:00 -
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I like how every now and then a small platoon of alts come in and quotes themselves saying how legit it is, or how they got money out.
Not very well orchestrated and sort-of a dead giveaway, but comical nonetheless.
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.07.27 17:23:00 -
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Not everyone bothers with standing. Sure it can help. But it can also be an unmitigated pain in the rear end and if your profit margins are high enough then losing 1%-2% isn't a bad tradeoff.
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Leitharos Rosselem
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Posted - 2011.08.12 15:47:00 -
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Scam.
But a great one.
For those that threw **** hoping it would stick: a trillion isn't bad for the 8 months up and running. Either you all underestimate the stupidity of the average player or you can't just give credit where credit is due.
.. *hats off*
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Kira Vanachura
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Posted - 2011.08.12 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Kira Vanachura on 12/08/2011 16:29:12 http://www.evenews24.com/2011/08/12/one-of-the-biggest-scam-in-eve-history-ponzi-scheme-empties-over-1-trillion-isk-from-players-wallets/
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