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Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.01.18 16:40:00 - [1] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1447992 Where is the long hair option for males? Why are clothes still restricted by race? Why did you not listen to us? It's just not good enough, CCP. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Major Alpha	Posted - 2011.01.18 16:41:00 - [2] Sorry I read your **** and fa1l to care.... Get a hair cut and grow up! IBTA (in before the applebabe)
Siigari Kitawa Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.01.18 16:45:00 - [3] Do you remember when Test Server Feedback was once called Game Development Discussion? Think about why that is. OH BUT CSM!!! (Meet the scapegoat.) It's really too bad, game companies are less and less interested in directly taking advice from their players. Not saying CCP is shutting us out all the time, only on the things we are most passionate about, heh. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:01:00 - [4] Siigari, it's just pathetic and bitterly disappointing, to be honest. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
c0nscript	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Siigari, it's just pathetic and bitterly disappointing, to be honest. If you feel that strongly about it I suggest you draw a picture and tape it onto your monitor over your current portrait. Problem solved
Adriano Contra Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:04:00 - [6] No long hair for males? This is indeed dissapointing.... No respect to metalheads... :(
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:10:00 - [7] Originally by: Adriano Contra No long hair for males? This is indeed dissapointing.... No respect to metalheads... :( What's even worse is that they HAD an option for long hair and removed it without explanation or apology. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor

CCP StevieSG	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:11:00 - [8] Moved to Features and Ideas from EVE General.

Thercon Jair Minmatar Nex Exercitus IT Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:19:00 - [9] Yeah, where's my long hair? I'm a Minmatar, not some cleanly shaved Amarrian lord. I need long hair! How can I be a rebel without long hair? I hope that hair is growing and you need to shave it from time to time. >:) I would love to see some chars that log into their inactive accounts just to notice they now look like eremites and need to go to the barber first (oh yes, the barber! THE perfect assasin's spot, too!). ;) Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar!
Xerio Orim	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:30:00 - [10] And a huge LOO[O]OOL on the female long hair. That hair sure got some lagging and twitching! xD
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:33:00 - [11] Originally by: CCP StevieSG Moved to Features and Ideas from EVE General. ARE YOU ****TING ME?! ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Thercon Jair Yeah, where's my long hair? I'm a Minmatar, not some cleanly shaved Amarrian lord. I need long hair! Oh, here's a fun fact: Amarr get the long hair option. It wasn't cut from all the races, just non-Amarrians. I'll let you think about that for a second. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2011.01.18 17:41:00 - [13] Edited by: Robert Caldera on 18/01/2011 17:43:05 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1447992 Where is the long hair option for males? Why are clothes still restricted by race? Why did you not listen to us? It's just not good enough, CCP. well, maybe you're just the minority who's bothering about long hairs? Ever thought about this possibility? Or CCP had their reasons not to implement this. So besides one thread, you opened another useless thread about things nobody cares obviously.
Turay Minmatar	Posted - 2011.01.18 18:01:00 - [14] It's a shame why do we have a forum why do we give feedback over weeks ? Instead of listening to feedback we have: Emotionless chars like Nicole "Botox" Kidman. Stupid selection of unique clothes. Only accessory for all chars despite male/female is a sucking sunglass. etc CCP simply didn't have the nuts to say "sorry but the char creator is not finished yet".
Seraphim000 Gallente Arkons of Myth Initiative Associates	Posted - 2011.01.18 18:17:00 - [15] Edited by: Seraphim000 on 18/01/2011 18:21:42 Edited by: Seraphim000 on 18/01/2011 18:21:14 Edited by: Seraphim000 on 18/01/2011 18:18:02 For what it's worth, not only are gallente intaki lacking in long hair (dreads are the only available option? REALLY?), they're lacking in hair in general. The following encompass pretty much the entirety of the Intaki hairstyles: - shaved - short - balding - short+styled - dreads/cornrows There's a single style that has hair that is generally 'messy' and reaches half-neck-length. There were a few more styles during testing that were at least acceptable. Now, it's like they decided that we were undeserving of any actually DECENT options for non-ridiculously-short hair. Not to mention that even with 'age' at its lowest point, all characters still look over 40. It's not just limited to hair, or gallente, either. A complaint that was raised during testing was that the only glasses options are various-colored aviators. Where are all the clothing options? Why does every character I make of a given bloodline have more or less exactly the same face? I can't get them to look different enough. There's no uniqueness. It's sad that the best way to give your portrait a unique look is to creatively POSE your character. Meanwhile, the thing is buggy as hell, and lags horribly when selecting new options even on a tri-SLI+quadcore setup. Pretty much all of these concerns, I believe, were brought up during testing. Not only did they do nothing about it, they went and made things worse. Way to go, CCP. Meanwhile, given that the new options fail AND make it impossible to make our characters look anything like our old ones, it was requested that CCP allow redesignation of bloodline and/or race. Again, apparently ignored. Thanks, now I get to spend my time as a character I hate looking at. On second thought, the placeholder image will be just fine compared to anything I could create with this. (inb4 "nobody cares" type posts -- way to be productive, guys.)
Dark Tenshi Gallente Aeria Gloris Inc	Posted - 2011.01.18 22:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Seraphim000 Edited by: Seraphim000 on 18/01/2011 18:21:42 Edited by: Seraphim000 on 18/01/2011 18:21:14 Edited by: Seraphim000 on 18/01/2011 18:18:02 For what it's worth, not only are gallente intaki lacking in long hair (dreads are the only available option? REALLY?), they're lacking in hair in general. The following encompass pretty much the entirety of the Intaki hairstyles: - shaved - short - balding - short+styled - dreads/cornrows There's a single style that has hair that is generally 'messy' and reaches half-neck-length. There were a few more styles during testing that were at least acceptable. Now, it's like they decided that we were undeserving of any actually DECENT options for non-ridiculously-short hair. Not to mention that even with 'age' at its lowest point, all characters still look over 40. It's not just limited to hair, or gallente, either. A complaint that was raised during testing was that the only glasses options are various-colored aviators. Where are all the clothing options? Why does every character I make of a given bloodline have more or less exactly the same face? I can't get them to look different enough. There's no uniqueness. It's sad that the best way to give your portrait a unique look is to creatively POSE your character. Meanwhile, the thing is buggy as hell, and lags horribly when selecting new options even on a tri-SLI+quadcore setup. Pretty much all of these concerns, I believe, were brought up during testing. Not only did they do nothing about it, they went and made things worse. Way to go, CCP. Meanwhile, given that the new options fail AND make it impossible to make our characters look anything like our old ones, it was requested that CCP allow redesignation of bloodline and/or race. Again, apparently ignored. Thanks, now I get to spend my time as a character I hate looking at. On second thought, the placeholder image will be just fine compared to anything I could create with this. (inb4 "nobody cares" type posts -- way to be productive, guys.) Agreed with first, disagreed with second thesis... Where Intaki's hair?! When I tried Character Creator on Singularity - I thinked: 'more options will came to Tranquility', and now? What's matter? I missing this hairstyle: Or at least some kind of long-hair/ponytails... Even single-player games have more options to choose from... About second question: everything smooth on my PC: Core i7 2.8GHz, 6GiB RAM, ASUS ENGTX480 (Single card)... --- Best regards, Alexander "Angelius" Filippov, Technological Deep
Aya Nami	Posted - 2011.01.18 23:08:00 - [17] why does the "wavy" hair look like it's made of panels rather than hair? awesome facial construction and the hair sucks? even RIFT Online has better hair (it moves too when you run) the hair looks like some early attempts at 3d graphic, not something that's like a finished product. uber FAIL on the hair. are there any stylish girls on the design team? earrings, facial markings, necklaces, the basic fashion accessories. I would offer suggestions, but as i do not know what hair system other games use, nor the one you used, i can only say the hair look and selection was a supreme let down. the faces are incredible though. you should have completed the project though and give us customization of the hair. I highly doubt everyone at CCP has the same hair style, it's more INDIVIDUALIZATION! Give us colors, lengths, bangs, wavy/straight/curly, let us modify the lengths of our hair. and what's with the supremely limited skin pigments, there's no dark skin for my character, it ranges from pasty white to pink to white to grey, and something between grey and white. no dark tones at all. we're not all from northern Europe. the blush is a joke. this is for my current character, she's a minmatar. there's option for freckles and aging, but no scars or piercings? minmatar NEED piercings. we're TRIBAL. more clothing options too, unless we're all gonna be able to remake again, when you get the walkabout running. cuz a girl HAS TO have a selection. like make different styles of clothes and let us set the color combinations. the outfit selections are also low. we need high heel boots, haven't you seen the new jimmy choo 24/7 collection. great girls boots! high heel, low heels, sneakers, clogs, selection optional: nail polish and hair extentions that are different colors, would like green purple and pink added. this IS the future. (minor gripe, on the portrait creation, when you rotate the body, you cannot move the new pose to the center of the screen, so the character is stuck looking off to the side.) yes i know, as i've spoken up, i'll prolly get flamed, but as a girl i rightfully expect to have the hyped character creator ACTUALLY be worth the hype. I was immensely disappointed the in the incomplete job. Wasn't the highest rate request, from the CSM poll, was for CCP to ACTUALLY have Excellence in everything they release. CCP's commercials and things talk about it, but this IS NOT called delivering it. fer all you people that dont care. go troll somewhere else. I do care. and I want the excellence that was promised.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2011.01.18 23:14:00 - [18] Not that I intended to complain, but really? REALLY? When the ** did Vherikor females become ING MONGOLIAN?!? What kind of half-assed dumb ** did you morons put in charge of the base features department? Some blind jackass with only a half assed idea of what a human face should look like? --Vel I'm more of a care-badger.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.18 23:27:00 - [19] Edited by: Barbara Nichole on 18/01/2011 23:27:31 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 18/01/2011 17:40:21 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1447992 Where is the long hair option for males? EDIT: Where is the long hair option for non-Amarrian males? Why are clothes still restricted by race? Why did you not listen to us? It's just not good enough, CCP. They didn't apparently because you are not in the CSM. I disagree with the notion that some how all races need the same option for clothing. Racial styles are different and should be. There are some cross over items. This is a big change I know but they did an excellent job on the new system I think.. Are there ways to make it better? Yes, there are some things that could be added.. and I'll bet will be added later. Big changes will come with walking-in-stations. I am disappointed by the loss of the Female Amarr hair bow style.. Maybe they'll add it later.. but I'm not ready to call anyone names of cast doubt on their work ethic because I'm missing my hair style.
Vykturya	Posted - 2011.01.18 23:28:00 - [20] i agree, the cussing out doesn't help at all, besides, it's not constructive criticizism. and is against forum rules.
Deuce Syundai	Posted - 2011.01.19 01:55:00 - [21] I agree that the new character creator completely SUCKS. Sculpting in 3D is cumbersome at best with a 2D input device and a character that won't sit still! Sliders for everything (or at least the option to use sliders) would work SO much better. In AutoCAD at least, you have much more ease of control over the attributes of shapes by having the ability to limit cursor movement to one of the three axis X, Y, and Z, not to mention it has no reason to be moving around while you shape it! Have you ever tried giving a decent haircut to a 3-year-old who won't sit still and is terrified of the scissors? It's impossible unless you tie them down or they're asleep (or both). I have an idea, let's make the ship models float around in 3DSMax as if they were in space while the art department is still trying to model them. I bet they'll come out looking FANTASTIC. With this we have so little control everything ends up looking sloppy. Not to mention, if we want it to look exactly how we want, we have to turn all the graphics settings to high, which when combined with the character fidgeting and the mouse controlling the shape of things in real time, means a tremendous load for lesser GPU's, causing severe stuttering and lack of fine control. I've tried to make my character at least a half dozen times and spent countless hours on the Sisi server trying to get it right, and every time my character comes out looking like a dumb*. Also, WHY would you EVER want someone to be able to blink uncontrollably when you're trying to get a good picture? It's just plain stupid! CCP, I REFUSE TO REMAKE MY CHARACTER UNTIL YOU GET IT TOGETHER AND MAKE A CHARACTER CREATOR THAT G**** WORKS RIGHT THE FIRST TIME! THERE IS NO END TO THE AMOUNT OF FRUSTRATION IT HAS CAUSED ME!
Fournone	Posted - 2011.01.19 02:04:00 - [22] The Gallente/Gallente/Male has long hair option. But still, all men should be able to wear long hair if he wishes, just incase someone wants to have it. We are the free from all problems pod people, why are we not allowed to grow our hair out?
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.01.19 03:23:00 - [23] Originally by: Fournone The Gallente/Gallente/Male has long hair option. But still, all men should be able to wear long hair if he wishes, just incase someone wants to have it. We are the free from all problems pod people, why are we not allowed to grow our hair out? Precisely. CCP have been asked to return clothing and hair options Intaki used to have for weeks now, not just by me but by the rest of the SiSi crowd. They have ignored us. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Alyx Gamma	Posted - 2011.01.19 03:29:00 - [24] Less ***ing like little *s about hair more worrying about things that affect gameplay kthnksbye
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.01.19 03:34:00 - [25] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 19/01/2011 03:34:38 Originally by: Alyx Gamma Less ***ing like little s about hair more worrying about things that affect gameplay kthnksbye Nope. I will* actually keep going on about this until CCP fix it, and there's, oooh, not much you can do about it. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Vertisce Soritenshi SHADOW WARD OWN Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.19 03:35:00 - [26] *** *, whine whine, cry cry...more tears please...the hamsters need to drink! I swear to god some people do nothing but complain and *** and moan because the devs didn't do exactly what they wanted when they wanted it. Well guess what? Sad baby is sad...get over it. If you don't like it find another MMO that does exactly what you want. Sig.Learning skills vote.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.01.19 03:39:00 - [27] Sure is blinkered fanboy in here ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Seraphim000 Gallente Arkons of Myth Initiative Associates	Posted - 2011.01.19 05:49:00 - [28] Edited by: Seraphim000 on 19/01/2011 05:50:04 Edited by: Seraphim000 on 19/01/2011 05:49:23 Originally by: Fournone The Gallente/Gallente/Male has long hair option. But still, all men should be able to wear long hair if he wishes, just incase someone wants to have it. We are the free from all problems pod people, why are we not allowed to grow our hair out? My hair currently falls halfway down my back; I'm a bit of a metalhead. My previous character had long hair as well. With the new Intaki, your choices are either Balding, Annoying Salesman, Inmate, or Mr. Reggae. Whaaaat.... Honestly, I don't even care what my race/bloodline is. Just let me switch to something that I can stand to look at, please! =(
Valend	Posted - 2011.01.19 14:47:00 - [29] The thing I'm most disappointed about is the lack of a black hair option for Deteis. Not to mention the lack of decals and decent hair styles. I can kind of understand the lack of varied clothing options assuming they're setting themselves up for microtransactions come Incarna...
jackaloped	Posted - 2011.01.19 15:35:00 - [30] I knew this would happen. We see complaints that long hair doesn't exist for all characters and complaints that long hair doesn't look quite right. Here is the thing: designing this stuff is not easy. You might think ôI can picture how I want to look in my head it should be easy for them to render it on tranquility without lagging out the entire server.ö But that is not always the case. Eve has the best looking character graphics of any mmo out there. CCP is going for quality in the options they offer not quantity. We don't need them to delay the entire development of eve - which incarna is doing- so you can be a long haired man right away. If this hurts your roleplay, just pretend a bunch of amarrians grabbed you, beat you up, and shaved your precious hair so they could make a wig for your sister their new sex slave. See, just use your imagination and this sort of thing can easily be explained.
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2011.01.19 15:43:00 - [31] Originally by: De'Veldrin Not that I intended to complain, but really? REALLY? When the ** did Vherikor females become ING MONGOLIAN?!? What kind of half-assed dumb ** did you morons put in charge of the base features department? Some blind jackass with only a half assed idea of what a human face should look like? +10 It wouldn't be so bad if they'd art least let us change our bloodlines. It's been mentioned again and again in EVERY test server feedback thread, someone even made a Assembly Hall proposal - STILL not a single reaction from either CCP or CSM. WTF???
Aderata Nonkin	Posted - 2011.01.19 15:43:00 - [32] Are you guys for real? You sound like a bunch of whinie ass punks freshly squeezed from the WoW juice. Get a grip on yourself for pete's sake. New stuff will be added to the character creator and we will have the option to refine our portraits in due course. Stop getting your knickers in a twist over this, it makes you look really stupid and makes my belly hurt from laughter.
Korg Leaf Time Bandits.	Posted - 2011.01.19 15:45:00 - [33] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Where is the long hair option for males? EDIT: Where is the long hair option for non-Amarrian males? Us Brutor men are highly disappointed by this, I mean look at.... oh wait
Valend	Posted - 2011.01.19 15:47:00 - [34] Edited by: Valend on 19/01/2011 15:48:55 Originally by: jackaloped CCP is going for quality in the options they offer not quantity. The thing is, I don't think there's much quality in the options they actually gave us to begin with. The character creator itself is great in the sheer amount of potential it has, but I'm satisfied with very, very few aspects of it. It does not even feel remotely close to being finished. I remember testing an earlier build of it on sisi a while back, and feeling very relieved they were calling it a work in progress or what have you. And then it goes live a month later, or however long it was, and minus a few bug fixes, and maybe a few other things, and it's pretty much the same thing. Yes, I'm sure they did a lot of work on the backend, but that doesn't change how I feel about the end product. EDIT: Originally by: Aderata Nonkin New stuff will be added to the character creator and we will have the option to refine our portraits in due course. Stop getting your knickers in a twist over this, it makes you look really stupid and makes my belly hurt from laughter. So we shouldn't voice dissatisfaction about an aspect of a game we pay for that we're dissatisfied with? I sure hope they give us the option to re-do our portraits as they add features, I was under the impression that wasn't going to happen.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.01.20 19:34:00 - [35] Originally by: Aderata Nonkin New stuff will be added to the character creator Confirmed for having absolutely no idea what you're talking about whatsoever. Every bloodline and race has less options now than they did in previous test builds. CCP have inexplicably removed access to art assets for certain races or bloodlines. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.20 21:04:00 - [36] Edited by: X Gallentius on 20/01/2011 21:04:43 yeah where's the long hair option for Intaki males? Or do you mean really long hair?
Zilberfrid	Posted - 2011.01.20 22:24:00 - [37] He means non-dread long hair. Like my portait about a week ago. This bothers me more then the vherokior changes, that I could get to make a nice picture again ------------------------------------- I like to fly around and shoot stuff.
SocratesR	Posted - 2011.01.20 23:32:00 - [38] Seriously, why is there even a racial limit on character avatars? I understand that it was fun with the last avatar system to know someone's 'race' based on their look(I really liked the way minmatar were made.) However, why are they limiting things like long hair and clothes? I wanted long hair and dreadlocks were the only option. So now I guess I'm rasta.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.01.21 04:25:00 - [39] Originally by: SocratesR However, why are they limiting things like long hair and clothes? In earlier builds, they weren't - you could get any hair or clothes on any race. Then they started race-locking art assets and I've been campaigning since Tuesday to have this inexplicable and unjustifiable decision reversed. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Khaeros	Posted - 2011.01.21 07:48:00 - [40] Joining in the "long hair for males" campaign!! Short hair makes sense for slaves, shorter hair -> easier to kill lices. Therefore long hair is a symbol for freedom.. At least that is my rationale for long hair for minmatar males. Give me long hair or give me death!!!
Annoitte	Posted - 2011.01.22 05:24:00 - [41] My avatar used to have the coolest facial tattoo. Now, not so much. It's not even there. I know that those things will be added in later builds. I really hope the mirrored "Top-Gun" aviators, the kind you can't see through, are in later builds as well. What I can't understand is, we were told that this was going to be the "Best Thing Ever", and even the higher system requirements were going to be "Worth It", and we were handed an unfinished product. Why? I'm sure that those of you that think this isn't a big deal wouldn't have cared if they waited until the Character Creator was completely finished before they released it. Right?

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