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Hiro Shingami
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Posted - 2011.01.25 21:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Emperor Salazar
Originally by: Hiro Shingami
Wait so... Grief successful?
STEP 1. Get hundreds of pilots (from small groups of 1-3 and larger corps from 50+ members) and encourage them to move into wormholes, specifically into c3's to c5's.
STEP 2. Let them get comfortable farming these wormholes by themselves or with small groups of tengu's and legions relying on the broken neut capabilities of the sleepers to keep themselves from running out of cap while having super massive deadspace fit active tanks...
STEP 3. Let 2 years go by to make sure Step 2 has had time to work in.
STEP 4. Introduce a new expansion...
STEP 5. Right before downtime put into the patch notes something totally non relevant to the new patch; with wording equivalent to "... And oh yeah... remember that broken neut thingy on the sleepers we never fixed from 2 years ago and let you all think we'd leave broken? Well yeah we decided to fix that, bye....."
So time to pack up your 2bill isk overpriced domination towers or try to adapt to the situation at hand by recruiting more ppl and getting epically scammed... Just sayin'
you're an idiot
You should know... Dad?
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.25 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hiro Shingami
snip
This change was announced at least six weeks ago. And constantly reiterated.
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Aunty Nora
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Posted - 2011.01.25 22:59:00 -
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You are not suppose to do be able to do a c3 with a passive drake, i am also wondering why cap even matters if your drake is passive lol.
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Cantrip
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Posted - 2011.01.26 00:48:00 -
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Consider it semi-passive then. Using the drake's regen with a big buffer, but fit active hardeners for some pretty high resists. Shield regen isn't active, just resist levels. Took a while to kill anything, tho.
Anyway, the turtle drake is dead so far as C3's are concerned. I have one, I used it, and it can't cut it anymore. Small groups that are all on at the same time can keep doing what they're doing, small groups that are spread out over time zones get to downgrade, move out, or by amazing coincidence get a friend with a nearly identical name that is always around to help.
The good news is with the neut changes to sleepers RR setups feel like the now de-facto fitting for C3 wormholes when it already was for higher classes. So, that debate is over.
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tpwh21
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Posted - 2011.01.26 00:56:00 -
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think a nighthawk might be able to do a c3 okay - in place of a drake - but could be wrong. also skill re****ents are pretty heavy...
think a nighthawk can have equal or better tank + much better cap regen.
Basically though - its not that big a deal - just move down a wh class.
think you get a better return blasting through c2 sites anyway.
semi-passive drakes were always ludicrously overpowered in medium class whs. alternatively switch to BS with two RRs - ravens do a pretty good job.
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Trinkets friend
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Posted - 2011.01.28 01:57:00 -
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Sleeper sites were never meant to be soloable at C4 and above. The fact you could solo them in Tengus is evidence they were broken. Now you find C3's hard to solo in Tengus? Good.
We have been doing C3 sites post-neut patch just fine with 2 drakes. Just replace an invul with a mag scattering amplifier - faction for preference - and you are sweet. I even run with a target painter and 2 BCU's, so you can see how nerfed my tank is.
C3 mag/radars you probably need a logi. We had a drake get capped out within seconds, but it didn't matter on account of logistic cruiser. If a C3 is too hard, just add Logi. Yes it means training a few level 5 skills, and having 3 people to do radar/mags, but the rewards are still pretty epic for how long it will take you to finish the site and salvage.
C4's, you will need 4+ Drake/T3's and/or a Logi. But so what - all it means is you will have more DPS and can churn the sites faster, making your ISK/hr equivalent to what you used to do solo. Maybe your 2.4Bn Pita A-type MSB Tengu is useless now, so ship it back ti hisec, sell it off, and buy yourself a Rattler for farming missions. Whatever.
This is a non-event, you just have to adapt and learn to communicate with your fellow humans. And boo-hoo if you're a one man corp with a domi large tower in a wormhole and now you are borked.
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Doddy
Burning Vendetta
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Posted - 2011.01.28 02:12:00 -
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lol at "passive" drake effectd by neuts
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Jonah Malison Mariner
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Posted - 2011.01.28 04:34:00 -
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LOL at one more ******ed 'this game is too hard' thread.
I hear chutes and ladders is pretty good. maybe you should give it a try.
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K'racker
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.28 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Doddy
lol at "passive" drake effectd by neuts
he means passive regen as oppose to using active shield booster. this is common terminology and correct regardless of resistance mods.
your lack of understanding may come from never having flown anything except passive drakes and therefore not knowing what a shield booster is. 
ot, end-game players to continue not gaining sympathy from the playerbase over sleeper neuting, and keep making new threads. most common reply to date: "they're NPC ffs".
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Mithrasith
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Posted - 2011.01.28 13:08:00 -
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C3's havent changed that much really. The only thing that it may do at present is prevent Drake C3 solo action (not in all sites, and in the hardest just barely) which should never have been possible in the first place.
Let's do some quick math - The Drake is worth what? 50 mil isk loaded out without faction gear?
It takes very little skills to fly. Its EVE on easy mode, and you expect it to run C3 sites and net you 70mil per professional site without much risk? Doesnt sound right to me.
My Sleipnir can still solo C3 professional sites, as well as my Tengu. I do keep a Scimitar in the fleet for "just in case" scenarios, and it has energy transfer arrays on it as well. Overall not much changed tbh - I was a little dissapointed by the strength of the nuets.
There is another thread (not going to dig it up) which indicated that as long as your cap stability was at least 60% or higher, you wouldnt have an issue with capping out in anything up to C5's. Sure you gimp your dps slightly, or perhaps lower your tank a bit and move to a spider rep loadout.
overall the change makes sense. Im tired of low skill drake pilots sucking up resources in areas that they have no right in being in anyways. I had to wait a long time to skill up to tackle various areas of EVE, there is no reason that all of the n00bs should get the easy button and be able to suck back the ISK I skilled up a long time to get.
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Hallan De'estus
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Papa RainDance
It's not that they are too hard, it's that they were too easy before. They fixed the sites to bring them to their intended difficulty, before the fix they were easy mode.
THIS!!!!!!
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Kerowyn's
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Posted - 2011.01.28 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrasith
C3's havent changed that much really. The only thing that it may do at present is prevent Drake C3 solo action (not in all sites, and in the hardest just barely) which should never have been possible in the first place.
Let's do some quick math - The Drake is worth what? 50 mil isk loaded out without faction gear?
It takes very little skills to fly. Its EVE on easy mode, and you expect it to run C3 sites and net you 70mil per professional site without much risk? Doesnt sound right to me.
Elitist tears, the best kind.
My Sleipnir can still solo C3 professional sites, as well as my Tengu. I do keep a Scimitar in the fleet for "just in case" scenarios, and it has energy transfer arrays on it as well. Overall not much changed tbh - I was a little dissapointed by the strength of the nuets.
For someone who likes "math" a fleet would suggest more than one, therefore not SOLO.
There is another thread (not going to dig it up) which indicated that as long as your cap stability was at least 60% or higher, you wouldnt have an issue with capping out in anything up to C5's. Sure you gimp your dps slightly, or perhaps lower your tank a bit and move to a spider rep loadout.
overall the change makes sense. Im tired of low skill drake pilots sucking up resources in areas that they have no right in being in anyways. I had to wait a long time to skill up to tackle various areas of EVE, there is no reason that all of the n00bs should get the easy button and be able to suck back the ISK I skilled up a long time to get.
More elitist tears.
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DR jekyle
United Miners Inc.
Wrath.
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Posted - 2011.01.30 11:55:00 -
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guys i have news,
class 1-3 still easy to solo: confirmed
class 4 still able to be soloed: confirmed
class 5-6 still needs a small gang: confirmed
stop whining
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Shamwow Hookerbeater
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Posted - 2011.01.30 13:41:00 -
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We did a mag and like 4 radars last night with 4 drakes and a proteus. On the mag I even brought a blackbird in at good distance to jam. It worked pretty well only had to warp out once in the blackbird when i got targeted by one of the BS and he hit me with a couple missiles. A couple drakes had to warp out once or twice when they got close to capped out. Overall still very doable. The simple anom still very doable with just a couple well fit drakes.
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Brakus Vendi
Caldari
RISK Shipping and Trading
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Posted - 2011.01.30 14:40:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5xvkAPXB9c
HTFU
Directly from the EVE dev team.
Only Chuck Norris can divide by zero.
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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.02.07 11:15:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Mithrasith
C3's havent changed that much really. The only thing that it may do at present is prevent Drake C3 solo action (not in all sites, and in the hardest just barely) which should never have been possible in the first place.
Let's do some quick math - The Drake is worth what? 50 mil isk loaded out without faction gear?
It takes very little skills to fly. Its EVE on easy mode, and you expect it to run C3 sites and net you 70mil per professional site without much risk? Doesnt sound right to me.
My Sleipnir can still solo C3 professional sites, as well as my Tengu. I do keep a Scimitar in the fleet for "just in case" scenarios, and it has energy transfer arrays on it as well. Overall not much changed tbh - I was a little dissapointed by the strength of the nuets.
There is another thread (not going to dig it up) which indicated that as long as your cap stability was at least 60% or higher, you wouldnt have an issue with capping out in anything up to C5's. Sure you gimp your dps slightly, or perhaps lower your tank a bit and move to a spider rep loadout.
overall the change makes sense. Im tired of low skill drake pilots sucking up resources in areas that they have no right in being in anyways. I had to wait a long time to skill up to tackle various areas of EVE, there is no reason that all of the n00bs should get the easy button and be able to suck back the ISK I skilled up a long time to get.
Pretty much this.
The neuting isn't that bad but it's certainly a more effective deterrent to people soloing in the higher level sites.
I saw a passive Drake in a regular C3 combat site yesterday, he warped out once (and died for unrelated reasons later  ) but before that he seemed to be handling it ok.
I imagine speed running C2s is probably still significantly more profitable than L4 missions.
In summary: A-bloo-bloo high level content that pays mad ISK is restricted to gangs THIS IS AN OUTRAGE CCP.
(I'm well aware like everything in Eve if you pimp something enough you can probably work around a mechanic intended to discourage soloing high level content - so "lolz you can still solo C4s" is not news to me)
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.02.08 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Swynet on 08/02/2011 00:31:07
Originally by: Conor Todaki
I have got to say my passive drake was fine against sleepers in C3s before but now those neuts can kill my cap and hardeners making sites impossible. Too powerful me thinks?
"Before" the neut capacity of sleepers didn't worked has intended so you could tank everything in a simple bc and get the crap out of them all alone with some time.
Now works like intended no, don't mess with them anymore ^^
ANd sorry but lol for the passive stuff :p
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