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Dryson Bennington
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Posted - 2011.01.24 11:18:00 -
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Maybe make a proximity type container that comes fitted with either a small, medium or large Smart Bomb type device that if a player gets to close to the container will activate and smart bomb the area until the player has left the optimal range of the weapon.
If the player is in the same system of the container they will receive a message telling them that they have two minutes to deactivate the container or Concord will award them a security loss unless the ship leaves the area of effect of the container.
The container cannot be dropped with 20km of a gate in high sector or low sectors upto .2 .1 and null the container be dropped at 15 km from the gate.
To deactivate the container the owner must approach the container to within 1 km of it's optimal range to deactivate it.
The can cannot be dropped any closer than ten km from any object in space or it will self destruct in one minute or until picked up by the owner. No more than three such containers can be dropped within a thirtyfive km distance between each other.
The can can be towed but will have to have the code input everytime that the ship towing it comes into the optimal range of the can.
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Arvella Kadori
Gallente
Federal Legion
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Posted - 2011.01.24 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Arvella Kadori on 24/01/2011 12:05:23
Nice Idea,
But you guys think to much in the "Minmatar-Style" i mean you are talking about an Bomb in an Container, an explosive Charge wich causes AOE-Damage when someone open it.
Think more Caldari-Style with more Electronic Warfare in it, forget the Explosive charge and fill the Container with an Superior Sensor-hacking Overloading device. If someone opens the container, the Device Hacks into his Mainframe, Lower the Shields/Bring ship internal stuff to overload/explode and Cause Damage just to the Ship wich opens it. Device-Size and Damage would have to get balanced but it's probably a Way to make this without an AOE-Damage.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.01.24 12:29:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Erlighet
Originally by: Jint Hikaru
This would be that cargo container that you jettisoned?
Quote:
jet+ti+son
[jet-uh-suhn]
űverb (used with object)
1. to cast (goods) overboard in order to lighten a vessel or aircraft or to improve its stability in an emergency.
2. to throw off (something) as an obstacle or burden; discard.
3. Cards . to discard (an unwanted card or cards).
Em, yeas  Why the word-verb deskrption? A cargo container I at least use If I do not have room, and want to min more. OR I have anotter friendly ship come and colekt it. Was that an asver to you? (thes can be flipped/stolen by otter unfrindly players, and here is the senter of my fokus here)
Yes I understand why you are using it, I just am not seeing why you think there needs to be a boobytrap to stop people taking something that you have discarded?
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Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
"I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!"
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.01.24 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Erlighet
Miners are at a big disadvantage when it comes to otter players
Confirming that otters are the scourge of asteroid belts across New Eden.
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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.01.24 13:26:00 -
[35]
This idea is bad and you should feel bad.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Hounds of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.01.24 13:40:00 -
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A funny idea. 
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Zephris
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Posted - 2011.01.24 14:33:00 -
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Boobytraps seemed to be a good idea.
Both this and tripmines sounds like fun.
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Erlighet
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Posted - 2011.01.24 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Arvella Kadori
Edited by: Arvella Kadori on 24/01/2011 12:05:23
Nice Idea,
I am all for this!! The spirit of the idea is the same. Make them wish that had not don that. I like your thinking!! have different types?
To the otter inputs here, tx, but do not make it to complicated.. This is suppose to be a miners tool, not a min lain by a soldier (if you get the differs). For those who are negative, I am open for the "why not s" to. Or maybe you are a pirate?
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TeeserTrull
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Posted - 2011.01.24 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Iam Widdershins
This idea is bad and you should feel bad.
This idea is meant for you!! Pirate!!
I relay love this idea, and the otter inputs to, specialty the electronic!!
My wot is as strong as ever, you otter miners, support! BEEEP your ship is disabled BEEP..overload in X sec... BEEEp.. O I so hope a pirate gets to hear this in his speakers
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TeeserTrull
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Posted - 2011.01.24 16:53:00 -
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support also the mining in low sec areas, make us miner able to go where no mind as gone before. Miners on the mach! take the universe back from the pirates!!
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Delnadres Courthelia
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Posted - 2011.01.24 17:10:00 -
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Erlighet / TeeserTrull, you can stop pretending you're two different people now. Your identical spelling and grammar, and extremely similar characters kinda makes that obvious.
That being said, +1 for this idea. I say make a High-Slot Module that takes "Boobytrap" Ammo, with a 3 minute cycle time (-30 seconds if overloaded). The type of ammo determines which two types of damage is caused.
Also, the owner should have to hack the boobytrap before being able to access the contents as well, and/or there could be Tech II boobytraps that can accept a password.
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Erlighet
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Posted - 2011.01.24 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Delnadres Courthelia
Erlighet / TeeserTrull, you can stop pretending you're two different people now. Your identical spelling and grammar, and extremely similar characters kinda makes that obvious.
I, me and us are all for this! Can you blame me, I and us for really wanting this? We are all miners! minding our own mind. The point being that I, we and me relay want this BOMB!
I am a stable person, yeas me to.
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cyndrogen
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Posted - 2011.01.27 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Erlighet
Originally by: cyndrogen
I will play along.
Lets say CCP thought your idea was great! They actually implement it and release it to Tranquility! Sweet!
Now you're mining away you spot a pirate, one that has can flipped you before. You dump your can, they go to open it! There is an item inside! Sweet! They decide to STEAL it but use an alt to set off the trap, the trap is diffused their alt dies and they still take and flip your can.... oops. No more bomb, you still lose your stuff and everything resumes as usual.
TX for the input! I would not be sad loosing the ore, as long as "he/she" blows up. It would be satisfaction . My main idea is that pirate would run a risk, but as it is now..they run null(0) risk. And I an all otter miners are always the risk taker, jut by mining our own business(you goth that bobble meaning I hope "mining"). Sorry am a bit sleepy, then the bad humor comes out . A addition to the idea, I mention earlier, a directional blast, toward the opening party (claymore and otter mines/bombs do this in real life). I also see this as not being unbeatable (may be harked or scanned), but at wearying difficulty. All thin in the spirit of "for every measure there is a counter measure". THE POINT again, the pirates NEED to have some risk to.. and I like to BLOW them up
I will try this again, there IS NO RISK to the pirate, the pirate gets a free 14 day throw away account, they open the trap for LOLZ and poof , it cost them nothing and they still get your stuff, their ship will not be hurt, their alt ship, which is free anyway will get ka BOOMED!
Get it? It won't stop pirating at all.
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Woodman2
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Posted - 2011.01.27 12:44:00 -
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I'm not a pirate or a miner, but it seems to me that a lot of miners just want to be able to afk mine without any danger at all, anywhere. You know you can have a pvp fitted corp-mate nearby if you are getting your stuff stolen? Same as in mish, someone steals your loot, a corp-mate that is fitted for pvp can take care of the thief.
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donkioekong
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Posted - 2011.01.27 12:56:00 -
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if its aoe, then concordoken should occur.
and the bomb shuld cost a lot
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Xe'Cara'eos
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Posted - 2011.01.27 14:36:00 -
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I would like to see something along this line, maybe an item that you can put in cans, will be invisible, and anyone who opens it and would get the aggression timer, will get a drop in sec status - maybe enough to make them stop for a day or two to grind it back up...
or instead - just a load of damage - and still going red for the miner - so we can pod them...
This will not solve the problem of people using alts - but most griefers are simply looking for a bit of PVP against an outclassed ship, and aren't serial theives.
My opinion anyway.
oh, and kill all the otters, eating all the fish in the rivers...
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Erlighet
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Posted - 2011.01.27 22:41:00 -
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There seem not to be a desire for this from you all.. If you are for this idea, pleas support it, or come whit a modification to make it work - better. Make a miner more than a sitting duck. Long live the working man/woman!!
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.01.27 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: NinjaSpud on 27/01/2011 22:58:34
Originally by: Gemberslaafje
Originally by: Erlighet
Is there nobody whit comment or input on this?
You only waited... what, an hour? Wait a day before bumping...
actually he only waited 15 min LOL
But... +1 i support your idea
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Khamiz
Catholic School for Boys
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Posted - 2011.01.28 01:35:00 -
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Edited by: Khamiz on 28/01/2011 01:38:55
Hmmm .. I see the point where miners have few chances of protecting
their ore from bored wannabe pirates.
I have 2 ideas that do not involve AoE :)
1) For 2-Account-Miners: a midslot-module that makes your cargohold accessable by fleet members.
This would enable miners to directly move their ore to their hauler-alt's Iteron.
Using 2 chars in a fleet makes sense anyway, if only for the foreman bonus.
The module could be limited to industrials if there are any reasons to do so that I can't think of right now.
2) An item you buy from Concord that, if placed inside a container, will make taking stuff out of it call "teh cops" just like you would have attacked it.
To avoid abuse, it should not trigger concord upon opening alone.
This option would boost the meaning of high-security while leaving LS and 0.0 untouched.
Might also generate a small cost/hr for the miner, as in paying concord fpor "premium protection" - although I doubt the servers could take that.
My 2 ISKs (VAT not included)
Edit: I also like the idea of a very huge secure container, but that would generate a size-issue .. maybe make them 25k m¦ and give barges a 90% size reduction to them in the cargo ... would require another stat disallowing them to be scooped while full though.
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Erlighet
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Posted - 2011.01.30 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Khamiz
Edited by: Khamiz on 28/01/2011 01:38:55
I am all for this idea to! But it blowing up sound more satisfying ;) But the need for something in this area for the miner is obvious. SO TX for the contribution!
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SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.30 08:42:00 -
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Yeah I can see this going pear shaped real quick. 10 destroyers with tractor beams fitted. An industrial drops off 100 of these "can bombs". Each Dessy grabs 10 and roams over to that nice big Titan sitting there all AFK.
"OK Guys at my command"
"3"
"2"
"1"
"OPEN THEM CANS!!!"
KABOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOOOMMMMM!!!!
Titan Catastrophic kill.
Hmm Actually this would make my Destroyer Class Stealth Bomber Idea
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1411996
a reality.
+1 for this then.
Yargh. I be SGT Funyoun. King of the Pirates!!! |
Iam Widdershins
fgtsrfgts amirite
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Posted - 2011.02.05 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: TeeserTROLL
Originally by: Iam Widdershins
This idea is bad and you should feel bad.
This idea is meant for you!! Pirate!!
I relay love this idea, and the otter inputs to, specialty the electronic!!
My wot is as strong as ever, you otter miners, support! BEEEP your ship is disabled BEEP..overload in X sec... BEEEp.. O I so hope a pirate gets to hear this in his speakers
You don't seem to realize WHY I thought this was such a bad idea.
I think it would be hilarious. I would use it ALL THE TIME. I would use it AGAINST you, and it would work FABULOUSLY.
Originally by: Woodman2
I'm not a pirate or a miner, but it seems to me that a lot of miners just want to be able to afk mine without any danger at all, anywhere. You know you can have a pvp fitted corp-mate nearby if you are getting your stuff stolen? Same as in mish, someone steals your loot, a corp-mate that is fitted for pvp can take care of the thief.
Sup, Woodman? Long time no see. Sorry to hear you haven't yet turned to the less-terrible side of the force yet.
And yes, Woodman here elegantly states the basic thing everyone in this thread is missing in their worldview. EVE is all about PVP. Every man can have his turf, and there are better ways to keep it than asking nicely. You don't have the right to mine anywhere you please without a real threat of deadly force behind you. This has been true in EVE for the last eight years, and will continue to be true in the future.
If you really want to be protected from canflippers, don't bloody mine into jetcans. Have a friend haul for you. Use GSCs in systems you can anchor them. If you really can't help but leave things that are "yours" lying all over the damn place in cans that anyone can take from, you should either get some muscle of your own or harden the %%%% up.
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Iam Widdershins
fgtsrfgts amirite
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Posted - 2011.02.05 15:48:00 -
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Seriously, you people talk in ways that make me need to post again. I apologize in advance if I implied I am speaking about the reader, but if you aren't who I'm talking to, you will know. (Some of you others will probably think you know anyway.)
Originally by: Erlighet
Make a miner more than a sitting duck. Long live the working man/woman!!
All you're doing is sitting around commiserating with each other about how you are always out there alone in defenseless, highly specialized mining ships making fabulous amounts of isk for almost no work*, and how completely unfair it is that you should have difficulty winning when someone comes along to challenge you in combat.
Originally by: Erlighet
Miners are at a big disadvantage when it comes to otter players "flipping the can". or in otter words provokes the miner, so they can BLOW him up.
You bellyache about how unfair this is, and imagine some sort of world in which you were not only making the easiest money in the game, but were also FABULOUSLY DANGEROUS to anyone who got in your way, without needing to have any friends to help you. Never once does it seem to cross your minds to get help from someone else who can provide force for you, or that if you really feel the need to answer these provocations, to go and get a DIFFERENT SHIP that won't die horribly as soon as your opponent looks at it sideways.
Originally by: Xe'Cara'eos
I would like to see something along this line, maybe an item that you can put in cans, will be invisible, and anyone who opens it and would get the aggression timer, will get a drop in sec status - maybe enough to make them stop for a day or two to grind it back up...
or instead - just a load of damage - and still going red for the miner - so we can pod them...
This will not solve the problem of people using alts - but most griefers are simply looking for a bit of PVP against an outclassed ship, and aren't serial theives.
You can't pod someone just because they are aggressed to you.
Yes, let's make a completely useless, invisible item that kills you when you look at it. What a wonderfully terrible idea.
And I highly doubt that CCP shares your views of people using alts as being a "problem."
*You miners are always on about how hard-earned your isk is. You have clearly never tried to make isk through PVP. You have nobody's sympathy but your own, and that of the clueless miners who think exactly the way you do.
PS. Even if OP is a troll, I'm allowed to rage about this. Lots of people think terrible things like this are a good idea.
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