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Yazus Kor Kotharat Logistics	Posted - 2011.01.21 14:29:00 - [31] Originally by: John Revenent The ANN prides itself for its work, which is plucking something out of someones ass and talking to no-one that is relevant in the matter, slapping on a name to soil, and making a poor outline of a situation they are obviously clueless of. The same seems to hold true for I-RED's press releases. I have yet to see say- a single piece of data backing up your sales figures, for example. "Beware, you who seek first and final principles, for you are trampling the garden of an angry God and he awaits you just beyond the last theorem."
John Revenent Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.01.21 15:04:00 - [32] I will speak to the Pharmaceutical Research and Production Department about releasing some of the information on our sales figures.
Senn Typhos Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2011.01.21 15:35:00 - [33] So far, you've shown that your alliance - as well as your allies - believe us to be a Serpentis-aligned corporation. In fact, the Serpentis-aligned corporation. You claimed to be taking an aggressive stance against capsuleer sympathizers. If that were the case, we'd be under a declaration of war by now. The fact of the matter is, you're out for a profit. White and green-collars just like the pirates you claim to oppose without ever taking a shot at them. So you tell me. With no integrity to speak of, and no worth behind your promises, is it a surprise the reporters at ANN called you out?
Benjamin Shepherd Caldari Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2011.01.21 16:07:00 - [34] ANN is associated with Anshar Incorporated; the simple disclaimer that says otherwise is misleading. To believe that the Interstellar Correspondants is not a legtimate news organization is purely false.
Senn Typhos Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2011.01.21 16:56:00 - [35] Edited by: Senn Typhos on 21/01/2011 16:56:39 Originally by: Benjamin Shepherd ANN is associated with Anshar Incorporated; the simple disclaimer that says otherwise is misleading. To believe that the Interstellar Correspondants is not a legtimate news organization is purely false. Considering the article pertaining to you, it might be wiser to be silent rather than accusing anyone of misleading or false words. You are both equally guilty of inaction. That you're paying for it is simply the cost of business.
Benjamin Shepherd Caldari Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2011.01.21 17:20:00 - [36] Edited by: Benjamin Shepherd on 21/01/2011 17:20:55 I look to multiple news sources to determine my opinion on issues, as opposed to one news entity. My opinions are my own, Mr. Typhos. A news organization does not judge, they report; this is the primary objective of any news reporting.
Creetalor Caldari Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.01.21 22:06:00 - [37] Edited by: Creetalor on 21/01/2011 22:07:25 The news post is slanderous in a form of being nothing but bad journalism in its best form. Your research is flawed and full of holes clearly noticable about your statements throughout this discussion constantly refering to your corporations stance to the ANN and you have neither interviewed the party's involved you may have interviewed some people from the planet which I have no doubt is truthfull but truth is such a thin line that many would cross in the most dire of circumstances to get out of them. You have no analasys of the market in the Intaki system which had to be provided to you through a person activly affecte by the post but he was never interviewed directly for a previous statement of the article. I believe as a majority shareholder you should check your investment for better journalism skills and possible send some of your workers on a internship at the scope which seem to do a better job at gathering concrete evidence and facts to support their articles.
Milo Caman Gallente Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2011.01.21 22:41:00 - [38] The constant whine of 'this is bad journalism' and 'this is bias' is starting to give me a headache. Regardless of whether or not it's bad journalism, the fact remains. I'm making money from selling my products in Intaki, engaging with the locals and getting stuff done whilst you- well, you're sitting a long way away in Syndicate achieving nothing, and there is nothing you can do about it. My overwhelming advice to you in this situation, Ms Creetalor, would be to Deal with it. ---
Benjamin Shepherd Caldari Intaki Liberation Front	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:06:00 - [39] Mr. Caman's statement essentially confirms ANN's inability to provide objective news coverage.
Milo Caman Gallente Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:14:00 - [40] Edited by: Milo Caman on 21/01/2011 23:15:19 Originally by: Benjamin Shepherd Mr. Caman's statement essentially confirms ANN's inability to provide objective news coverage. And the contents of this thread confirm my suspicions that IRED and the ILF have issues forming a coherent and backed up argument when faced with something that concerns them. Whilst I understand the temptation to scream and point 'Pirate' may be overwhelming, it doesn't make you look particularly good. ---
John Revenent Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:16:00 - [41] Originally by: Milo Caman The constant whine of 'this is bad journalism' and 'this is bias' is starting to give me a headache. Regardless of whether or not it's bad journalism, the fact remains. I'm making money from selling my products in Intaki, engaging with the locals and getting stuff done whilst you- well, you're sitting a long way away in Syndicate achieving nothing, and there is nothing you can do about it. My overwhelming advice to you in this situation, Ms Creetalor, would be to Deal with it. You have proven one thing, ANN is nothing more then a sock puppet of the Pirate Organization Anshar Inc. You also prove with this statement that it doesn't matter to you if you create falsified stories so long as you are generating a income. Thank you this is all we required confirmation from Anshar Inc, and ANN's current administrator. We will "Deal with it".
Alexis Du'Volle	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:17:00 - [42] Edited by: Alexis Du''Volle on 21/01/2011 23:17:21 Originally by: John Revenent We will "Deal with it". Given the current trend, I'd say this eventuality is highly unlikely.
Orthic	Posted - 2011.01.21 23:21:00 - [43] Originally by: John Revenent You have proven one thing, ANN is nothing more then a sock puppet of the Pirate Organization Anshar Inc. You also prove with this statement that it doesn't matter to you if you create falsified stories so long as you are generating a income. Thank you this is all we required confirmation from Anshar Inc, and ANN's current administrator. We will "Deal with it". It would seem that, despite the rather large public announcement about shutting down the sale of Serpentis boosters in Intaki, you don't actually care that it's still going on. You simply want objective journalists reporting on your failure to do anything about it. I'm sure that can be arranged.
Senn Typhos Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2011.01.22 00:20:00 - [44] One of you will eventually have to get it through your skull. You can complain all you like, that we're biased or hire poor journalists, or whatever you wish. At the end of the day, you've done nothing to help a system you're barely involved with. You will remain docked, along with your allies, idly passing the time and polishing guns you'll never use. That being the case, either be reticent and continue this path of idleness, or get off our side of the street. Those are your options if you hope to retain any amount of credit.
Xenos Giger Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.01.22 23:25:00 - [45] Edited by: Xenos Giger on 22/01/2011 23:25:51 Originally by: John Revenent I will speak to the Pharmaceutical Research and Production Department about releasing some of the information on our sales figures. latest system dump:- http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5295/ireddisclosure.jpg
Mammal Tafren Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2011.01.22 23:27:00 - [46] Originally by: Milo Caman And the contents of this thread confirm my suspicions that.... the ILF have issues forming a coherent and backed up argument when faced with something that concerns them. I realise that justifying your statements isn't of particular concern to you, Milo, after all, that's why we're here isn't it. However, this statement strikes me as the most ridiculous one of all. I think you'll find our arguments reasoned and reasonable and our objections to these stories on a solid basis. I'll lay them out again to you. 1) I-RED/Boosters Due to your affliations and your admitted area of business this story is a journalistic conflict of interest. A news organisation sponsored by admitted drug lords calls into question the pharmaceutical production of others. Who benefits? You do, obviously. 2) The NEA story. As your reporter did not bother to contact any of the principles involved to hear their side of the story, this particular article shows editorial bias, a hallmark of poor journalistic practice. These are the facts, and they are undisputed. But journalism doesn't really seem what you are trying to achieve here, is it? Three stories in one day attacking either the ILF or I-RED? Then comments on the IGS directly trying to goad I-RED into a wardec? Someone's confident.
Xenos Giger Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.01.22 23:56:00 - [47] Edited by: Xenos Giger on 22/01/2011 23:57:09 If any major defence contractors are interested by that stock please feel free to contact an I-red representative for a bulk whole sale discount. If its legal I will supply it at good prices. regards Xenos....its all buisness ;)
Milo Caman Gallente Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2011.01.23 00:58:00 - [48] Originally by: Xenos Giger http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5295/ireddisclosure.jpg Without a timestamp, context, location or owner, this rather low-quality screencap means nothing. Show me something that might not be forged and you might have a point. Originally by: Mammal Tafren I realise that justifying your statements isn't of particular concern to you, Milo, after all, that's why we're here isn't it. However, this statement strikes me as the most ridiculous one of all. It doesn't seem that IRED are particularly interested in justifying theirs either. Originally by: Mammal Tafren I think you'll find our arguments reasoned and reasonable and our objections to these stories on a solid basis. You're missing the point, and keep coming back to the fact ANN is bias, or whatever you happen to think. What you miss, is that the articles in question were written by one individual with no open affiliation to our corporation. Look her up if you don't believe me. ANN is an open platform. Originally by: Mammal Tafren As your reporter did not bother to contact any of the principles involved to hear their side of the story, this particular article shows editorial bias, a hallmark of poor journalistic practice. Funnily enough, we did. You should check follow-up articles on the site. Originally by: Mammal Tafren These are the facts, and they are undisputed. Apparently they aren't. Originally by: Mammal Tafren Someone's confident. You'd only just noticed? Goodness me. ---
Mammal Tafren Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2011.01.23 04:08:00 - [49] Yeah, I think after this post, you can't accuse anyone of struggling to post a coherent argument again. I guess that's something.
Milo Caman Gallente Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2011.01.23 10:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Mammal Tafren Yeah, I think after this post, you can't accuse anyone of struggling to post a coherent argument again. I guess that's something. Really? I'm not the one screaming pirate at everything that's said. I'm beginning to consider rethinking who the supposed 'good guys' are.
Mammal Tafren Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2011.01.23 13:05:00 - [51] Edited by: Mammal Tafren on 23/01/2011 13:09:47 Originally by: Milo Caman Really? I'm not the one screaming pirate at everything that's said. Um, you might take a look over the things I said again. Originally by: Milo Caman I'm beginning to consider rethinking who the supposed 'good guys' are. It's us, in case that helps.
Senn Typhos Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2011.01.23 14:46:00 - [52] You'll have to either assist the system, or take action against the "bad guys," before you call yourself the "good guy."
Syyl'ara Gallente Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2011.01.24 05:55:00 - [53] Edited by: Syyl''ara on 24/01/2011 06:04:56 Originally by: Senn Typhos You'll have to either assist the system, or take action against the "bad guys," before you call yourself the "good guy." Years of activity in the areas of economic development and anti-piracy have taken place. Either you have the worst intelligence apparatus in New Eden or you're blatantly fabricating the situation that exists to further your own agenda, there really aren't any other options at this point. Evidence of this exists at your fingertips, from any system in Placid you can verify the state of the market and records of engagements are available from numerous sources. Sources the "news" outlet you keep defending don't ever bother to reference.
Senn Typhos Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2011.01.24 06:11:00 - [54] Edited by: Senn Typhos on 24/01/2011 06:11:45 Up until the publishing of this article, IRED had only fielded two logistic pilots, and the ILF had never had more than one pilot active at a given time, almost always idling in the dock. Having been in the system myself for the duration of this time, I am unable to accept your false claim of dedicated activity. It is simply a response to being exposed as uninspiring pilots. Nor have any of your pilots taken military action against Serpentis assets or pilots. And considering you, like IRED's staff, have accused us of sole involvement with the "vicious pirates" plaguing your system, your lack of action against a perceived enemy speaks the same volume as your ally's hypocritical behavior. Should your words ever carry value, perhaps we will be inclined to appreciate them.
Orthic	Posted - 2011.01.24 06:13:00 - [55] It would appear that the good guys are quite willing to sit back and rest on their laurels. I would advise against taunting them into present action, as this could potentially be inconveniencing and I prefer that everything runs smoothly.
Syyl'ara Gallente Intaki Prosperity Initiative	Posted - 2011.01.24 06:19:00 - [56] Originally by: Senn Typhos Edited by: Senn Typhos on 24/01/2011 06:11:45 Up until the publishing of this article, IRED had only fielded two logistic pilots, and the ILF had never had more than one pilot active at a given time, almost always idling in the dock. Having been in the system myself for the duration of this time, I am unable to accept your false claim of dedicated activity. It is simply a response to being exposed as uninspiring pilots. I've operated in cooperation with the ILF for most of the previous year and took part in operations involving numerous pilots on several occasions. So again, your intelligence-gathering capabilities seem to be the only "uninspiring" display. Quote: Nor have any of your pilots taken military action against Serpentis assets or pilots. And considering you, like IRED's staff, have accused us of sole involvement with the "vicious pirates" plaguing your system, your lack of action against a perceived enemy speaks the same volume as your ally's hypocritical behavior. Nice job moving the goalposts, I said pirates, which is not limited to Serpentis assets and pilots. Also, you are far from the "only" viewed as involved with piracy. Quote: Should your words ever carry value, perhaps we will be inclined to appreciate them. A useless taunt that really doesn't address the substance of the discussion is not entirely unexpected.
Senn Typhos Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2011.01.24 07:45:00 - [57] You seem to think it's our goal to impress you. I sincerely hope you don't expect us to take you seriously when, to date, you've never lifted a finger against us except to complain herein. I only use the word "sole," on the grounds that it is the manner in which you are treating both ANN, and AI. If we are indeed such terrible, drug-addled pirates, why not do something about that instead of barking at the end of your short, short chains?
John Revenent Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.01.24 08:35:00 - [58] Edited by: John Revenent on 24/01/2011 08:37:58 Funny I recall a joint Ishukone-Raata, and IPI fleet in Intaki just yesterday that destroyed several battleships and Force Recons in the area. You were not seen, nor any Anshar Serpentis Pirates. Our Data-banks also show data on both organizations dedication to anti-piracy operations in Intaki, which are quite public.. though you would know this right because your intelligence cant be flawed.. Can it? As for the unwilling attitude to releasing documents on proof of sales.. you expect us to compromise ourselves by giving our enemies the upper-hand on our operations, what kind of businessman do you think we are? You continue to throw out accusations with no proof, and we continue to defend ourselves with proof. You should stop before I hand you the shovel, digging with hands is awfully painful.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.01.24 08:54:00 - [59] I have always considered Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive press releases to be essential reading. This latest release and the debate it has engendered has been no less instructive than previous missives emanating from that quarter. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Milo Caman Gallente Anshar Incorporated	Posted - 2011.01.24 11:00:00 - [60] Originally by: John Revenent Funny I recall a joint Ishukone-Raata, and IPI fleet in Intaki just yesterday that destroyed several battleships and Force Recons in the area. You were not seen, nor any Anshar Serpentis Pirates. Our Data-banks also show data on both organizations dedication to anti-piracy operations in Intaki, which are quite public.. though you would know this right because your intelligence cant be flawed.. Can it? Because my contacts don't report false intelligence. Originally by: John Revenent As for the unwilling attitude to releasing documents on proof of sales.. you expect us to compromise ourselves by giving our enemies the upper-hand on our operations, what kind of businessman do you think we are? So they are fabricated? Originally by: John Revenent You continue to throw out accusations with no proof, and we continue to defend ourselves with proof. You should stop before I hand you the shovel, digging with hands is awfully painful. I think it's about time you admitted that there's really nothing you can do. I'm terribly sorry. Originally by: The Cosmopolite This latest release and the debate it has engendered has been no less instructive than previous missives emanating from that quarter. That's not saying very much. ---

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