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Xenos Giger
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.20 21:14:00 -
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The Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive [I-RED]: Anti-Booster ANN Release
The following is a official release made by the Ishukone-Raata Pharmaceutical Research and Production in regards to the ANN article "Intaki Anti-Booster Initiative Backfires".
On 11.21.112 YC Ishukone-Raata released declassified information in regards to Pharmaceutical Production in the Intaki Solar System. In attempts to hinder/slow Serpentis Corporation, independent through "Economical Interdiction Operations" to reduce the availability of raw materials in the Placid, Solitude, and Intaki Syndicate Regions.
Now in regards to the ANN article written by Seki Ebura hosting the title "Intaki Anti-Booster Initiative Backfires", as head Director of the Ishukone-Raata Pharmaceutical Research and Production Department I find this article rather disturbing and slanderous, with the intent to attack the standing in the public eye.
Indeed it is very easy to point the finger of blame to one of the few capsuleer organizations attempting to counter the capabilities of known organizations that harbor known criminals of the Caldari State. It is even more surprising that these accusations of a "Backfire" of operational status come to sight with any actual factual evidence.
Now I would like to set a few details strait in regards to Ishukone-Raata's production of Synthetic Combat Enhancing Pharmaceuticals.
First off Ishukone-Raata does not sell any of the created Synth products in the Placid, or Solitude regions. 95% of our produced stocks are exported to the Jita Solar System, and sold to fill major defense contracts, the remainder is used internally for Alliance Combat Personnel.
As for the sales in Intaki, Ishukone-Raata Intellegence is already looking into who is making such sales in the area.
Xenos Giger
Taisa-Captain
Pharmaceutical Research and Production Director
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Proxy Proximae
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Posted - 2011.01.20 21:27:00 -
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So, you guys are basically admitting that you're hypocrites when it comes to lowering and/or stopping booster production and sales anywhere let alone intaki?
"We'll stop the drug lords... only to become the new ones".
The article is hardly slanderous. Especially when you admit that your pilots are addicts themselves.
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John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.20 21:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Proxy Proximae
So, you guys are basically admitting that you're hypocrites when it comes to lowering and/or stopping booster production and sales anywhere let alone intaki?
"We'll stop the drug lords... only to become the new ones".
The article is hardly slanderous. Especially when you admit that your pilots are addicts themselves.
"Economical Interdiction Operations to reduce the availability of raw materials in the Placid, Solitude, and Intaki Syndicate Regions." Quote by Giger-haan.
At least try to understand... Proxy, business may be beyond you.
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Proxy Proximae
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Posted - 2011.01.20 21:40:00 -
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From an outside perspective, it doesn't matter if you're 'reducing the raw material' by mining it, refining it into drugs and selling it elsewhere.
It actually sounds very similar to the Serpentis modus operandi, you may be squeezing into their niche but it doesn't make you any nobler for taking up the mantle of their activities.
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Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.20 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: John Revenent
"Economical Interdiction Operations to reduce the availability of raw materials in the Placid, Solitude, and Intaki Syndicate Regions." Quote by Giger-haan.
At least try to understand... Proxy, business may be beyond you.
You do understand that the majority of boosters sold in this area do not have their resources sourced locally?
And that Gas clouds are in such abundance in said areas that you could harvest till the cows come home and not make a dent in them?
Oh, and the fact that not once during my time in Placid, Syndicate and Solitude have I seen, or had reports of IRED gas harvesting operations. You're evidently experts at hiding.
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John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.20 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Milo Caman
You do understand that the majority of boosters sold in this area do not have their resources sourced locally?
And that Gas clouds are in such abundance in said areas that you could harvest till the cows come home and not make a dent in them?
Oh, and the fact that not once during my time in Placid, Syndicate and Solitude have I seen, or had reports of IRED gas harvesting operations. You're evidently experts at hiding.
Mr Caman, you should understand that just because you are unable to see something does not mean it happen.. Also you of all people should be aware we stimulate the market by creating jobs for pilots as Gas harvesting is a legit business, and Ishukone-Raata does hire contractors who fill orders for our operations.
Maybe your intelligence network may not be as expansive as you thought, as three regions is hard to cover when such operations can only last so long..
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Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.20 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Milo Caman on 20/01/2011 22:06:06
Originally by: John Revenent
Maybe your intelligence network may not be as expansive as you thought, as three regions is hard to cover when such operations can only last so long..
You'd be surprised.
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.20 22:23:00 -
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ANN is a media group, in a free market of journalism. Anyone who places themselves in the public sphere is subject to scrutiny, skepticism, what have you.
If you didn't want attention, you should have considered the ramifications of publicly announcing intentions to kill off the competition, literally and figuratively. Being held accountable is simply the consequence.
If you have a problem with our article, you're free to contact our legal team. If you have a problem with the Serpentis Corporation, perhaps you should allocate more than a Badger to Intaki to assist your allies. Otherwise, I suggest your corporation reconsider their stance and decide if they're cut out for the job.
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John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.20 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Senn Typhos
ANN is a media group, in a free market of journalism. Anyone who places themselves in the public sphere is subject to scrutiny, skepticism, what have you.
If you didn't want attention, you should have considered the ramifications of publicly announcing intentions to kill off the competition, literally and figuratively. Being held accountable is simply the consequence.
If you have a problem with our article, you're free to contact our legal team. If you have a problem with the Serpentis Corporation, perhaps you should allocate more than a Badger to Intaki to assist your allies. Otherwise, I suggest your corporation reconsider their stance and decide if they're cut out for the job.
You misunderstand our reasoning to reply to this ANN article which I will add is not the only bias article directed toward Ishukone-Raata, the NEA article again attempts to demonize our organization, with very one sided and mostly baseless reporting by a Serpentis created "News Network".
Only one of your journalists even make the attempt to contact all sides to write a proper story, the other instead contact planet-side representatives, and who knows if I were to make a baseless accusation your journalists may have gotten that testimony by gun-point. It's what you Serpentis do right?
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Xenos Giger
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.20 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Senn Typhos
perhaps you should allocate more than a Badger to Intaki to assist your allies..
I think thas the pos refuel ship you fail to catch everytime, Ive a Job to get done!
Regards - Xenos
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Xenos Giger
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.20 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Senn Typhos
If you didn't want attention, you should have considered the ramifications of publicly announcing intentions to kill off the competition, literally and figuratively. Being held accountable is simply the consequence.
There is also the fact that because we have had the resolve to publicly anounce what we are doing rather than conduct backhanded production brought the subject into the public limelights & no-one has put forward that that may be a contrtibuting factor to the recent rise in products on the local markets, capsuleers tend to be very good at filling what they think is a growing neiche market for profits. As it is there is only one major seller of drop synth in placid & that is not us. I shall not name names, go and buy one for your selves i think you will find it is a local resident with over half a billions worth for sale, but if your intelligence network is expansive as you say you must already know this.
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Creetalor
Caldari
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.20 23:43:00 -
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Saisa,
My name is Creedance Talor, Commander of the Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive.
I have seen the research facility and am currently in the voluntary test group on the side effects of synthetic boosters. I personally find the side effects of the synthetics to not have any effects on my combat abilities and the current side effects have not shown up in my tests so far, I have been exposed to the synthetics in low doses and infrequently. I have also not expressed any want for the higher grade combat enhancers or any other dependancy on boosters.
I furthermore find it gives us a fighting power against the serpentis which are constantly boosted pilots, we have been able to fight them stronger even on days the side effects did not seem to hit them.
Creedance Talor
I-RED Chusa
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Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.20 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: Milo Caman on 20/01/2011 23:47:53
Originally by: John Revenent
You misunderstand our reasoning to reply to this ANN article which I will add is not the only bias article directed toward Ishukone-Raata, the NEA article again attempts to demonize our organization, with very one sided and mostly baseless reporting by a Serpentis created "News Network".
So are you going to do something about it? or are you going to keep complaining?
Originally by: Xenos Giger
I think thas the pos refuel ship you fail to catch everytime, Ive a Job to get done!
You're assuming that frigate-sized hulls can engage under sentry fire? Well that explains a lot. It seems that your TaCom failed to teach you the basics of combat, as well as Radio Discipline, as we found out when we moved here. Two Rooks and a Hurricane chasing a covops I recall?
Originally by: Xenos Giger
As it is there is only one major seller of drop synth in placid & that is not us. I shall not name names, go and buy one for your selves i think you will find it is a local resident with over half a billions worth for sale, but if your intelligence network is expansive as you say you must already know this.
I completely fail to see how this is relevant. I barely makes sense to start with.
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Xenos Giger
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.21 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Xenos Giger on 21/01/2011 00:08:32
Originally by: Milo Caman
Originally by: Xenos Giger
As it is there is only one major seller of drop synth in placid & that is not us. I shall not name names, go and buy one for your selves i think you will find it is a local resident with over half a billions worth for sale, but if your intelligence network is expansive as you say you must already know this.
I completely fail to see how this is relevant. I barely makes sense to start with.
Its relevent because were accused of flooding the local markets with the stuff by the local press, get your factual statistics correct,
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Sparkahn
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.21 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: John Revenent
You misunderstand our reasoning to reply to this ANN article which I will add is not the only bias article directed toward Ishukone-Raata, the NEA article again attempts to demonize our organization, with very one sided and mostly baseless reporting by a Serpentis created "News Network".
Only one of your journalists even make the attempt to contact all sides to write a proper story, the other instead contact planet-side representatives, and who knows if I were to make a baseless accusation your journalists may have gotten that testimony by gun-point. It's what you Serpentis do right?
Firstly, let us straighten the facts surrounding ANN. The news network was created independently some time ago, to report on news of importance to, but not restricted to, Heaven and Curse. ANN was then bought by Anshar Incorporated. AI changed the direction of ANN. This direction was one of open, controversial, but most importantly, interesting news articles designed to generate controversy and discussion. Needless to say, ANN has enjoyed much success with this change of direction, and it is in fact arguably the Netword's unique selling point. Those complaining about "one sided" reports are reminded that in a laissez-faire media industry such as our own, there are no regulations regarding who is to be portrayed in what manner; "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". It all depends on your point of view; after all, a good media company gives the people what they want, and does not strive to please every organisation it writes about.
In addition, as stated, our articles are open source. Anyone can submit articles, and if in keeping with the modus operandi of the network, and of acceptable penmanship, will be submitted after editorial confirmation. Some of those whom have had their articles published are in no way affiliated with AI or Serpentis Corp, and thus may have been offended by your "it's what you Serpentis do right?" comment. IF you have particularly strong views, perhaps you would like to submit an article of your own in the future?
It is important to note that ANN is a subsidiary of AI, not a branch of AI. Therefore, opinions and attitudes included in articles are not necessary the direct views of Anshar Incorporated, its employees, or any entity affiliated with the corporation.
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Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.21 05:00:00 -
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I must say that I had previously thought highly of ANN and its reporting.
I even warned off members of my organisation attacking AI personnel who have been operating in Placid due to their affilation with ANN.
However, it appears that there is little that association with the Serpentis Corporation will not sully. Even a news organisation with such promise.
This article, plus another that I have seen elsewhere, are poor journalism. After these, I may have to switch to Gutter Press. At least they don't pretend to be any more than they are.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.01.21 06:27:00 -
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Edited by: Julianus Soter on 21/01/2011 06:27:21
Mr. President Tafren, I doubt that you are in any position to levy accusations against a news organization.
Your little plan got defeated. Please don't be a bad sport and moan about it on the IGS by accusing the ANN of calumny: an accusation, if made, requires actual evidence of it having occured.
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Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.21 07:05:00 -
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Edited by: Mammal Tafren on 21/01/2011 07:05:55
Originally by: Julianus Soter
Mr. President Tafren, I doubt that you are in any position to levy accusations against a news organization.
Well, Julianus, that's where you're wrong. And if you re-read my words, I think you'll find I accused the paper of 'poor journalism'. This is a claim that can be substantiated. It is poor journalistic practice to publish a news story without interviewing all the particulars involved.
Originally by: Julianus Soter
Your little plan got defeated. Please don't be a bad sport and moan about it on the IGS by accusing the ANN of calumny: an accusation, if made, requires actual evidence of it having occured.
What little plan? You seem to be living in some sort of paranoid fantasy. Let me make it quite clear. There is no conspiracy. There is no evil master-plan. Nothing in my words constituted moaning. I am being entirely rational.
I resent being drawn into yours and Ben's power struggle. I resent you turning what could have been a reasonable debate into a circus. You seem intent on making me your enemy when I've long been a supporter of yours.
I don't think I'll ever fully understand you, Julianus. I've never met anyone so intent on alienating every other person he knows.
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Kazzzi
Amarr
Heathen Legion
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.21 08:23:00 -
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So wait, is I-RED gonna try to stop me from getting my fix? |
Alexis Du'Volle
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Posted - 2011.01.21 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi
So wait, is I-RED gonna try to stop me from getting my fix?
On the contrary, it seems they're determined to be the ones giving it to you.
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Sparkahn
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.21 11:03:00 -
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It is a shame I have to repeat myself, but I feel it is the only way to get through to certain individuals.
1. Originally by: Mammal Tafren
However, it appears that there is little that association with the Serpentis Corporation will not sully. Even a news organisation with such promise.
Originally by: Sparkahn
It is important to note that ANN is a subsidiary of AI, not a branch of AI. Therefore, opinions and attitudes included in articles are not necessary the direct views of Anshar Incorporated, its employees, or any entity affiliated with the corporation.
2. Originally by: Mammal Tafren
This article, plus another that I have seen elsewhere, are poor journalism. After these, I may have to switch to Gutter Press. At least they don't pretend to be any more than they are.
Originally by: Sparkahn
Those complaining about "one sided" [vis-a-vis biased] reports are reminded that in a laissez-faire media industry such as our own, there are no regulations regarding who is to be portrayed in what manner...It all depends on your point of view; after all, a good media company gives the people what they want, and does not strive to please every organisation it writes about.
If I understand correctly, you have been satisfied with 52 out of a current 54 ANN articles. We are pleased that you have found so much of our content interesting, and are saddened that you have not been satisfied with 4% of reports. It may be in your interests to avoid articles where you or those affiliated with you are under scrutiny. Perhaps in future there will be a report detailing, in ANN's trademark controversial manner, the dirty dealings of one of your rivals; I'm sure such an article would receive your utmost support.
In addition, there appears to be some confusing about the authenticity of information in the report originally in question.
Originally by: Xenos Giger
It is even more surprising that these accusations of a "Backfire" of operational status come to sight without any actual factual evidence.
There is still a high quantity of boosters for sale in Intaki under the Trade Goods section of the market - I clarified this myself. This would suggest that the I-RED efforts to stall booster distribution have not been as successful as fires implied; would you not agree? The rest of the article goes on to detail selected verbal accounts of people who voluntarily came forward after an appeal for opinion regarding the increase in booster availability in Intaki. ANN trusts its reader-base and contributors to provide genuine information, and if any is thought to be purely fabricated it is not published.
Thank you all for your continued support for debate generated by Arcadia News Network.
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John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.21 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sparkahn
There is still a high quantity of boosters for sale in Intaki under the Trade Goods section of the market - I clarified this myself. This would suggest that the I-RED efforts to stall booster distribution have not been as successful as first implied; would you not agree? The rest of the article goes on to detail selected verbal accounts of people who voluntarily came forward after an appeal for opinion regarding the increase in booster availability in Intaki. ANN trusts its reader-base and contributors to provide genuine information, and if any is thought to be purely fabricated it is not published.
Thank you all for your continued support for debate generated by Arcadia News Network.
The verbal accounts are not even capsuleers, where Ishukone-Raata Booster operations are only targeting the capsuleer market. I doubt the people you're "journalist" spoke to could even afford to pay for one of the boosters for sale on the Intaki market unless the general populace became millionaires over the past few days, not to mention it would in most cases kill them.
As for our efforts to stall distribution is still in progress, and we continue to do so with great success, competition is not a backfire. We have already taken appropriate measures to deal with the person's in charge of making the sales.
The article is flawed and a pure attack on Ishukone-Raata's reputation, which is obvious with the lack of evidence and knowledge on the matter.
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:06:00 -
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If your only target market is the capsuleers, why do you care about the Serpentis? Their market is primarily in the civilian population of Intaki. It is also painfully obvious that neither you, nor your constituents understand the civilian market. I once again suggest you seriously consider whether or not your alliance are suited to such interdictions.
If you want to do some real good for Intaki, then pack up and leave it to the professionals. That goes for anyone with thoughts of making Intaki a "trading hub."
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Sparkahn
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:14:00 -
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Although it pains me greatly to continue this discussion, I feel I must protest.
Mr. Revenent, the term "pulling at straws" comes to mind.
Originally by: John Revenent
Ishukone-Raata Booster operations are only targeting the capsuleer market.
Your original press release gives no specificity regarding which market you were targetting. This being the case, ANN journalists naturally assumed that a corporation with such a high moral standard as I-RED would focus on all booster markets, not only the most lucrative.
Originally by: John Revenent
I doubt the people you're "journalist" spoke to could even afford to pay for one of the boosters for sale on the Intaki market unless the general populace became millionaires over the past few days, not to mention it would in most cases kill them.
This is an obvious display of your naivety with regards to how Serpentis supplied narcotics are cut and distrbuted to the general population.
Ultimately, if you were to take anything from this article, surely it would be that, according to worrying accounts of Intaki colonists, the problem of boosters lies not in the capsuleer market, but in the non-capsuleer market. Perhaps I-RED should change its stance to try and rid Intaki and the surrounding area of all narcotics, if it is genuinely concerned about the effect of Serpentis operations on the region.
Unless, of course, I-RED seek to profit only from the capsuleer market, and wish to elimiate the competition, as suggested.
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John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Senn Typhos
If your only target market is the capsuleers, why do you care about the Serpentis? Their market is primarily in the civilian population of Intaki. It is also painfully obvious that neither you, nor your constituents understand the civilian market. I once again suggest you seriously consider whether or not your alliance are suited to such interdictions.
If you want to do some real good for Intaki, then pack up and leave it to the professionals. That goes for anyone with thoughts of making Intaki a "trading hub."
I would suggest you read our original release again, as it was clearly stated that:
Originally by: John Revenent
Originally by: Myyona
Let me state; there is a world of difference between the performance enhancing drugs for capsuleers and the common narcotic products.
Of course, a lot of the basic chemical compounds are the same but the targeted consumer is completely different. Long term physical drawback effects are of less concern for a user with cloning access than for the common population. The special environment the control pod provides allows for full control of dosage and with neural training some, if not all, side effects can be prevented. For the very same reasons should these performance enhancing drug types never be given to a non-capsuleer. Especially the stronger drug types, based on cytoserocin gas components, can kill a normal person instantly. This is the very same reason why these types of products are labeled as contraband while the milder versions, based on mykoserocin gas components, are not.
I applaud the intentions of I-RED, but, with what I just wrote, the major market for the Serpentis is not capsuleers but narcotics for the common population. While possible, I hope not that I-RED plans to fight the narcotic problem by making true narcotics themselves. The best way to battle the dealings of the Serpentis still seems to be to eradicate their operations whenever encountered, through force if necessary, and support drug rehabilitation programs.
You make several good points Myyona, I will answer them to the best of my ability. The market may not be capsuleer based when it comes to a organization such as the Serpentis, but as you have stated the materials used are generally the same. Ishukone-Raata in our efforts obtain the materials in almost the same way as others including the Serpentis Corporation. Be it through acquisition on the market or mining techniques in open dead-space.
With this in mind, and when it comes to our Enforcers who I will add are almost untouchable when operating in the same area of operation as the Serpentis and independent sources, it does harm these production/mining operations when it comes to simple economics.
Again more research would have simply pointed this out, and again it shows the direct attack on Ishukone-Raata's reputation be it through the journalists inability to look at a matter before going to planet based civilians for information on capsuleer matters.. or it is simply a very poor attempt to take a stab.
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Sparkahn
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:44:00 -
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I fail to see how this proves your point. It is, for a start, a reply to a post questioning your first post, and not something clearly outlined in your original release.
Originally by: John Revenent
The market may not be capsuleer based when it comes to a organization such as the Serpentis, but as you have stated the materials used are generally the same.
Surely this implies you will be attempting to disrupt both markets, as both are, according to you, sourced in the same way.
There is a distinct lack of clarity on your part. I would advise you to resolve these clarity issues before you start accusing my fellow journalists of poor research.
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John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sparkahn
Although it pains me greatly to continue this discussion, I feel I must protest.
Mr. Revenent, the term "pulling at straws" comes to mind.
Yes I agree the ANN journalism is pulling at straws to soil our name.
Originally by: Sparkahn
This is an obvious display of your naivety with regards to how Serpentis supplied narcotics are cut and distrbuted to the general population.
Ultimately, if you were to take anything from this article, surely it would be that, according to worrying accounts of Intaki colonists, the problem of boosters lies not in the capsuleer market, but in the non-capsuleer market. Perhaps I-RED should change its stance to try and rid Intaki and the surrounding area of all narcotics, if it is genuinely concerned about the effect of Serpentis operations on the region.
Unless, of course, I-RED seek to profit only from the capsuleer market, and wish to elimiate the competition, as suggested.
Again if your journalist did its research, as subsidiary of the Ishukone Corporation we are unable to directly involve ourselves in the Intaki Assembly's and Planetary Governance. So why would you assume we would target civilians based on planets in Intaki.. We do what we can within our bounds.
So I will state it in simple terms "again" we gather the resources needed to produce and distribute to reduce the capabilities of organizations such as the Serpentis in the area, not to mention the Serpentis Loyalist groups out their would be feeling the strain of such a control of the market as Ishukone-Raata has placed over Synth-Grade Boosters.
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Sparkahn
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.21 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: John Revenent
So I will state it in simple terms "again" we gather the resources needed to produce and distribute to reduce the capabilities of organizations such as the Serpentis in the area, not to mention the Serpentis Loyalist groups out their would be feeling the strain of such a control of the market as Ishukone-Raata has placed over Synth-Grade Boosters.
Why do this, other than for your own personal gain?
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Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.21 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: John Revenent
not to mention the Serpentis Loyalist groups out their would be feeling the strain of such a control of the market as Ishukone-Raata has placed over Synth-Grade Boosters.
Well I certainly haven't been.
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John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.21 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sparkahn
I fail to see how this proves your point. It is, for a start, a reply to a post questioning your first post, and not something clearly outlined in your original release.
Don't make me laugh I know you are not that daft... It was a reply in the original open public forum. It has all the relevance to this issue.
As for your clarity issues, that is a problem created by the ANN through constant disinformation not me. I have made myself and Ishukone-Raata's very complicated situation clear, it is your journalists that want to simplify the situation and point a finger without gathering the full story.. In business there is never just black and white, one and two.
The ANN prides itself for its work, which is plucking something out of someones ass and talking to no-one that is relevant in the matter, slapping on a name to soil, and making a poor outline of a situation they are obviously clueless of.
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Yazus Kor
Kotharat Logistics
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Posted - 2011.01.21 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: John Revenent
The ANN prides itself for its work, which is plucking something out of someones ass and talking to no-one that is relevant in the matter, slapping on a name to soil, and making a poor outline of a situation they are obviously clueless of.
The same seems to hold true for I-RED's press releases. I have yet to see say- a single piece of data backing up your sales figures, for example.
"Beware, you who seek first and final principles, for you are trampling the garden of an angry God and he awaits you just beyond the last theorem." |
John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.21 15:04:00 -
[32]
I will speak to the Pharmaceutical Research and Production Department about releasing some of the information on our sales figures.
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.21 15:35:00 -
[33]
So far, you've shown that your alliance - as well as your allies - believe us to be a Serpentis-aligned corporation. In fact, the Serpentis-aligned corporation.
You claimed to be taking an aggressive stance against capsuleer sympathizers. If that were the case, we'd be under a declaration of war by now. The fact of the matter is, you're out for a profit. White and green-collars just like the pirates you claim to oppose without ever taking a shot at them.
So you tell me. With no integrity to speak of, and no worth behind your promises, is it a surprise the reporters at ANN called you out?
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Benjamin Shepherd
Caldari
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2011.01.21 16:07:00 -
[34]
ANN is associated with Anshar Incorporated; the simple disclaimer that says otherwise is misleading.
To believe that the Interstellar Correspondants is not a legtimate news organization is purely false.
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.21 16:56:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Senn Typhos on 21/01/2011 16:56:39
Originally by: Benjamin Shepherd
ANN is associated with Anshar Incorporated; the simple disclaimer that says otherwise is misleading.
To believe that the Interstellar Correspondants is not a legtimate news organization is purely false.
Considering the article pertaining to you, it might be wiser to be silent rather than accusing anyone of misleading or false words.
You are both equally guilty of inaction. That you're paying for it is simply the cost of business.
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Benjamin Shepherd
Caldari
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2011.01.21 17:20:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Benjamin Shepherd on 21/01/2011 17:20:55
I look to multiple news sources to determine my opinion on issues, as opposed to one news entity. My opinions are my own, Mr. Typhos. A news organization does not judge, they report; this is the primary objective of any news reporting.
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Creetalor
Caldari
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.21 22:06:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Creetalor on 21/01/2011 22:07:25
The news post is slanderous in a form of being nothing but bad journalism in its best form. Your research is flawed and full of holes clearly noticable about your statements throughout this discussion constantly refering to your corporations stance to the ANN and you have neither interviewed the party's involved you may have interviewed some people from the planet which I have no doubt is truthfull but truth is such a thin line that many would cross in the most dire of circumstances to get out of them.
You have no analasys of the market in the Intaki system which had to be provided to you through a person activly affecte by the post but he was never interviewed directly for a previous statement of the article.
I believe as a majority shareholder you should check your investment for better journalism skills and possible send some of your workers on a internship at the scope which seem to do a better job at gathering concrete evidence and facts to support their articles.
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Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.21 22:41:00 -
[38]
The constant whine of 'this is bad journalism' and 'this is bias' is starting to give me a headache.
Regardless of whether or not it's bad journalism, the fact remains. I'm making money from selling my products in Intaki, engaging with the locals and getting stuff done whilst you- well, you're sitting a long way away in Syndicate achieving nothing, and there is nothing you can do about it.
My overwhelming advice to you in this situation, Ms Creetalor, would be to Deal with it.
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Benjamin Shepherd
Caldari
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2011.01.21 23:06:00 -
[39]
Mr. Caman's statement essentially confirms ANN's inability to provide objective news coverage.
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Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.21 23:14:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Milo Caman on 21/01/2011 23:15:19
Originally by: Benjamin Shepherd
Mr. Caman's statement essentially confirms ANN's inability to provide objective news coverage.
And the contents of this thread confirm my suspicions that IRED and the ILF have issues forming a coherent and backed up argument when faced with something that concerns them. Whilst I understand the temptation to scream and point 'Pirate' may be overwhelming, it doesn't make you look particularly good.
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John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.21 23:16:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Milo Caman
The constant whine of 'this is bad journalism' and 'this is bias' is starting to give me a headache.
Regardless of whether or not it's bad journalism, the fact remains. I'm making money from selling my products in Intaki, engaging with the locals and getting stuff done whilst you- well, you're sitting a long way away in Syndicate achieving nothing, and there is nothing you can do about it.
My overwhelming advice to you in this situation, Ms Creetalor, would be to Deal with it.
You have proven one thing, ANN is nothing more then a sock puppet of the Pirate Organization Anshar Inc.
You also prove with this statement that it doesn't matter to you if you create falsified stories so long as you are generating a income. Thank you this is all we required confirmation from Anshar Inc, and ANN's current administrator.
We will "Deal with it".
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Alexis Du'Volle
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Posted - 2011.01.21 23:17:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Alexis Du''Volle on 21/01/2011 23:17:21
Originally by: John Revenent
We will "Deal with it".
Given the current trend, I'd say this eventuality is highly unlikely.
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Orthic
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Posted - 2011.01.21 23:21:00 -
[43]
Originally by: John Revenent
You have proven one thing, ANN is nothing more then a sock puppet of the Pirate Organization Anshar Inc.
You also prove with this statement that it doesn't matter to you if you create falsified stories so long as you are generating a income. Thank you this is all we required confirmation from Anshar Inc, and ANN's current administrator.
We will "Deal with it".
It would seem that, despite the rather large public announcement about shutting down the sale of Serpentis boosters in Intaki, you don't actually care that it's still going on. You simply want objective journalists reporting on your failure to do anything about it. I'm sure that can be arranged.
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.22 00:20:00 -
[44]
One of you will eventually have to get it through your skull.
You can complain all you like, that we're biased or hire poor journalists, or whatever you wish. At the end of the day, you've done nothing to help a system you're barely involved with. You will remain docked, along with your allies, idly passing the time and polishing guns you'll never use.
That being the case, either be reticent and continue this path of idleness, or get off our side of the street. Those are your options if you hope to retain any amount of credit.
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Xenos Giger
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.22 23:25:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Xenos Giger on 22/01/2011 23:25:51
Originally by: John Revenent
I will speak to the Pharmaceutical Research and Production Department about releasing some of the information on our sales figures.
latest system dump:-
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5295/ireddisclosure.jpg
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Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.22 23:27:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Milo Caman
And the contents of this thread confirm my suspicions that.... the ILF have issues forming a coherent and backed up argument when faced with something that concerns them.
I realise that justifying your statements isn't of particular concern to you, Milo, after all, that's why we're here isn't it. However, this statement strikes me as the most ridiculous one of all.
I think you'll find our arguments reasoned and reasonable and our objections to these stories on a solid basis.
I'll lay them out again to you.
1) I-RED/Boosters
Due to your affliations and your admitted area of business this story is a journalistic conflict of interest. A news organisation sponsored by admitted drug lords calls into question the pharmaceutical production of others. Who benefits? You do, obviously.
2) The NEA story.
As your reporter did not bother to contact any of the principles involved to hear their side of the story, this particular article shows editorial bias, a hallmark of poor journalistic practice.
These are the facts, and they are undisputed.
But journalism doesn't really seem what you are trying to achieve here, is it? Three stories in one day attacking either the ILF or I-RED? Then comments on the IGS directly trying to goad I-RED into a wardec?
Someone's confident.
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Xenos Giger
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.22 23:56:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Xenos Giger on 22/01/2011 23:57:09
If any major defence contractors are interested by that stock please feel free to contact an I-red representative for a bulk whole sale discount. If its legal I will supply it at good prices.
regards Xenos....its all buisness ;)
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Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.23 00:58:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Xenos Giger
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5295/ireddisclosure.jpg
Without a timestamp, context, location or owner, this rather low-quality screencap means nothing. Show me something that might *not* be forged and you might have a point.
Originally by: Mammal Tafren
I realise that justifying your statements isn't of particular concern to you, Milo, after all, that's why we're here isn't it. However, this statement strikes me as the most ridiculous one of all.
It doesn't seem that IRED are particularly interested in justifying theirs either.
Originally by: Mammal Tafren
I think you'll find our arguments reasoned and reasonable and our objections to these stories on a solid basis.
You're missing the point, and keep coming back to the fact ANN is bias, or whatever you happen to think. What you miss, is that the articles in question were written by one individual with no open affiliation to our corporation. Look her up if you don't believe me. ANN is an open platform.
Originally by: Mammal Tafren
As your reporter did not bother to contact any of the principles involved to hear their side of the story, this particular article shows editorial bias, a hallmark of poor journalistic practice.
Funnily enough, we did. You should check follow-up articles on the site.
Originally by: Mammal Tafren
These are the facts, and they are undisputed.
Apparently they aren't.
Originally by: Mammal Tafren
Someone's confident.
You'd only just noticed? Goodness me.
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Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.23 04:08:00 -
[49]
Yeah, I think after this post, you can't accuse anyone of struggling to post a coherent argument again.
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Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.23 10:43:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Mammal Tafren
Yeah, I think after this post, you can't accuse anyone of struggling to post a coherent argument again.
I guess that's something.
Really?
I'm not the one screaming pirate at everything that's said. I'm beginning to consider rethinking who the supposed 'good guys' are. |
Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.23 13:05:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Mammal Tafren on 23/01/2011 13:09:47
Originally by: Milo Caman
Really?
I'm not the one screaming pirate at everything that's said.
Um, you might take a look over the things I said again.
Originally by: Milo Caman
I'm beginning to consider rethinking who the supposed 'good guys' are.
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.23 14:46:00 -
[52]
You'll have to either assist the system, or take action against the "bad guys," before you call yourself the "good guy." |
Syyl'ara
Gallente
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.24 05:55:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Syyl''ara on 24/01/2011 06:04:56
Originally by: Senn Typhos
You'll have to either assist the system, or take action against the "bad guys," before you call yourself the "good guy."
Years of activity in the areas of economic development and anti-piracy have taken place.
Either you have the worst intelligence apparatus in New Eden or you're blatantly fabricating the situation that exists to further your own agenda, there really aren't any other options at this point.
Evidence of this exists at your fingertips, from any system in Placid you can verify the state of the market and records of engagements are available from numerous sources. Sources the "news" outlet you keep defending don't ever bother to reference. |
Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.24 06:11:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Senn Typhos on 24/01/2011 06:11:45
Up until the publishing of this article, IRED had only fielded two logistic pilots, and the ILF had never had more than one pilot active at a given time, almost always idling in the dock. Having been in the system myself for the duration of this time, I am unable to accept your false claim of dedicated activity. It is simply a response to being exposed as uninspiring pilots.
Nor have any of your pilots taken military action against Serpentis assets or pilots. And considering you, like IRED's staff, have accused us of sole involvement with the "vicious pirates" plaguing your system, your lack of action against a perceived enemy speaks the same volume as your ally's hypocritical behavior.
Should your words ever carry value, perhaps we will be inclined to appreciate them.
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Orthic
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Posted - 2011.01.24 06:13:00 -
[55]
It would appear that the good guys are quite willing to sit back and rest on their laurels. I would advise against taunting them into present action, as this could potentially be inconveniencing and I prefer that everything runs smoothly.
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Syyl'ara
Gallente
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.24 06:19:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Senn Typhos
Edited by: Senn Typhos on 24/01/2011 06:11:45
Up until the publishing of this article, IRED had only fielded two logistic pilots, and the ILF had never had more than one pilot active at a given time, almost always idling in the dock. Having been in the system myself for the duration of this time, I am unable to accept your false claim of dedicated activity. It is simply a response to being exposed as uninspiring pilots.
I've operated in cooperation with the ILF for most of the previous year and took part in operations involving numerous pilots on several occasions. So again, your intelligence-gathering capabilities seem to be the only "uninspiring" display.
Quote:
Nor have any of your pilots taken military action against Serpentis assets or pilots. And considering you, like IRED's staff, have accused us of sole involvement with the "vicious pirates" plaguing your system, your lack of action against a perceived enemy speaks the same volume as your ally's hypocritical behavior.
Nice job moving the goalposts, I said pirates, which is not limited to Serpentis assets and pilots.
Also, you are far from the "only" viewed as involved with piracy.
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Should your words ever carry value, perhaps we will be inclined to appreciate them.
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.24 07:45:00 -
[57]
You seem to think it's our goal to impress you. I sincerely hope you don't expect us to take you seriously when, to date, you've never lifted a finger against us except to complain herein.
I only use the word "sole," on the grounds that it is the manner in which you are treating both ANN, and AI. If we are indeed such terrible, drug-addled pirates, why not do something about that instead of barking at the end of your short, short chains?
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John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.24 08:35:00 -
[58]
Edited by: John Revenent on 24/01/2011 08:37:58
Funny I recall a joint Ishukone-Raata, and IPI fleet in Intaki just yesterday that destroyed several battleships and Force Recons in the area. You were not seen, nor any Anshar Serpentis Pirates.
Our Data-banks also show data on both organizations dedication to anti-piracy operations in Intaki, which are quite public.. though you would know this right because your intelligence cant be flawed.. Can it?
As for the unwilling attitude to releasing documents on proof of sales.. you expect us to compromise ourselves by giving our enemies the upper-hand on our operations, what kind of businessman do you think we are?
You continue to throw out accusations with no proof, and we continue to defend ourselves with proof. You should stop before I hand you the shovel, digging with hands is awfully painful.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.24 08:54:00 -
[59]
I have always considered Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive press releases to be essential reading.
This latest release and the debate it has engendered has been no less instructive than previous missives emanating from that quarter.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.24 11:00:00 -
[60]
Originally by: John Revenent
Funny I recall a joint Ishukone-Raata, and IPI fleet in Intaki just yesterday that destroyed several battleships and Force Recons in the area. You were not seen, nor any Anshar Serpentis Pirates.
Our Data-banks also show data on both organizations dedication to anti-piracy operations in Intaki, which are quite public.. though you would know this right because your intelligence cant be flawed.. Can it?
Because my contacts don't report false intelligence.
Originally by: John Revenent
As for the unwilling attitude to releasing documents on proof of sales.. you expect us to compromise ourselves by giving our enemies the upper-hand on our operations, what kind of businessman do you think we are?
So they *are* fabricated?
Originally by: John Revenent
You continue to throw out accusations with no proof, and we continue to defend ourselves with proof. You should stop before I hand you the shovel, digging with hands is awfully painful.
I think it's about time you admitted that there's really nothing you can do. I'm terribly sorry.
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
This latest release and the debate it has engendered has been no less instructive than previous missives emanating from that quarter.
That's not saying very much.
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John Revenent
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.01.24 11:12:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Milo Caman
Originally by: John Revenent
As for the unwilling attitude to releasing documents on proof of sales.. you expect us to compromise ourselves by giving our enemies the upper-hand on our operations, what kind of businessman do you think we are?
So they *are* fabricated?
Not at all, I was merely pointing out we took several key areas out of the Financial database release by Xenos-haan, that would compromise our security if it was obtained by the wrong people... like you.
I can assure New Eden that the data released are 100% genuine, we will post several more to confirm this in the near future.
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Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.24 12:19:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Milo Caman on 24/01/2011 12:20:34
My Point
Even my Image quality is better.
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.24 17:40:00 -
[63]
It seems I will have to repeat myself a fifth time.
My accusation is this; IRED and its allies have not, and never will, engage with the only individuals they claim are in connection with their enemies, even after a press release vehemently promising to do just that. I can provide a record of your words, if you cannot recall them. This shows a distinct lack of forethought, integrity, or concern for your own goals.
So there is your proof. I eagerly await your evidence to the contrary.
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Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.01.24 19:41:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Bataav on 24/01/2011 19:41:13
Originally by: Senn Typhos
It seems I will have to repeat myself a fifth time.
You don't have to. I think you just like it.
Originally by: Senn Typhos
My accusation is this; IRED and its allies have not, and never will, engage with the only individuals they claim are in connection with their enemies, even after a press release vehemently promising to do just that. I can provide a record of your words, if you cannot recall them. This shows a distinct lack of forethought, integrity, or concern for your own goals.
There is plenty of evidence here within these forums, of past debates and discussions surrounding the ILF and it's activities and policies in Intaki and the surrounding system. Indeed you need only search my previous contributions to find them. The ILF has repeatedly stated that capsuleer piracy is one of the biggest threats to economic stability.
However I am totally unaware of an official press release or public statement where we identify Anshar Inc. (I'm assuming you mean you and your friends) as the only individuals in connection with our enemies. So, yes if you can provide such a statement from us I'd be very interested to see it. (Though do bear in mind, just as some might suggest economic and trade figures can be edited to suit, I'm sure the same can be said for quoted statements).
The people who frequent Intaki, buy from the trade hub, have dealt with the ILF, IPI and I-RED over the months and years, the people who operate there and have seen us in passing know who we are and what we do. Public records will show the ILF has engaged and been engaged by a wide variety of capsuleer pirates.
I'm afraid you need to come to terms with the fact that there are times where the ILF just finds it necessary to think about someone else but you. It's harsh but then Placid can be a harsh place to be. I'm sure you'll cope.
I think what we have here, through your various statements and accusations challenging the facts, is not an attempt to call into question whether we and our allies are the "good guys" or not. It's more you jumping up and down with your "look-at-me, look-at-me" tactics trying to portray yourselves as the "bad guys".
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Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.24 20:05:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Milo Caman on 24/01/2011 20:08:39
Originally by: Bataav
I think what we have here, through your various statements and accusations challenging the facts, is not an attempt to call into question whether we and our allies are the "good guys" or not. It's more you jumping up and down with your "look-at-me, look-at-me" tactics trying to portray yourselves as the "bad guys".
Now why would we be doing that I wonder?
If anything, You've proven that your Bloc knows very little, and seems to have a morbid fear of the stereotypical pirate. Especially given statements made by individuals from the ILF and IRED in New Eden Assembly.
In fact, according to IRED, I'm constantly on Boosters, and I regularly hold people at gunpoint.
If you'll excuse me, I have to go and tread on some puppies.
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Sparkahn
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.01.24 21:27:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Bataav
I think what we have here, through your various statements and accusations challenging the facts, is not an attempt to call into question whether we and our allies are the "good guys" or not. It's more you jumping up and down with your "look-at-me, look-at-me" tactics trying to portray yourselves as the "bad guys".
I think, you'll find, it is I-RED who are so desperately trying to prove they are the "good guys" by insisting on hurling the same arguments/insults over and over. More damningly, it would appear that they are, in fact, the bad guys.
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