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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.02.13 11:06:00 -
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well, sure, do it, but i can't see how a scrambling frigate will be a problem, a retiever with a bunch of hobgoblins can kill it. Get scrabling crusiers/battlecruisers, then that's gonnabe interesting.
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tritarian
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Posted - 2011.03.07 16:44:00 -
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+1
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bbtop
Triangular Initiative
STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2011.03.07 18:53:00 -
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I see no issue with this, mining ships have drones and would be able to defend themselves. However this would not completely git rid of boting as some bots drop drones after landing on grid or taking dmg.
Nonetheless this would be a harmless addition to the game IMO
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Dream Nine
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Posted - 2011.03.08 07:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Omara Otawan
Not so sure if a single frigate will be able to interfere with hisec macroing that much really, unless it puts out a rather significant amount of damage.
And that is assuming the macro cant be easily adapted to avoid them completely.
Still, a good idea as far as lowsec goes imo, with a good spawn rate of the rats this might even make it worthwhile for organized mining ops.
The frig could just jam :)
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Nyalnara
TAKAGI Corp
Ares Protectiva
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Posted - 2011.03.08 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kwashi
IMO the way to make mining less boring and simultaneously remove mining bots would be to make mining into a minigame. E.g., you must solve Tetris blocks or something which represent your ore processor machinery, in realtime, to get any ore while your laser is on.
Since i already programed a bot for tetris, this would not work. But it's an idea which could be explored...
Originally by: Henry Haphorn
Well, I guess making mining a more interactive profession wouldn't be a bad idea to combat macros. I know, I know, I've always been a stern advocate of the "gank the living crap out of the macros" policy. But after reading so many ideas around here, I realized that maybe ganking alone won't solve the problem. Hey, I can be open minded at times.
[bla bla bla]
What do you think?
Totally agreeing! It should make us more active, and would lower bots income, making us more competitive...
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Sessym
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.09 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nyalnara
Originally by: Henry Haphorn
[bla bla bla]
What do you think?
Totally agreeing! It should make us more active, and would lower bots income, making us more competitive...
You are utterly underestimating the level of automation that can be achieved with a simple program. As long as there is an algorithm on the other side, it can be figured out by experienced people and either circumvented or automated within mere days.
That said, the more randomness a process includes, the harder it will be to 'bot' it. The key is to find the right randomness, and that requires outside-of-the-box thinking. Point a lazer at it and do x and profit will just not cut it.
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'So grab your guns.'
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Kwashi
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.09 15:31:00 -
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Making the belts require scanprobes to find may also help. It would be more difficult to write a bot that quickly probes down scan hits.
Example: A new kind of scan probe is introduced called the specialized grav probe or something. It only finds grav sites, but also finds special grav sites other probes can't find. Each of these special sites has one rock in it (like real asteroid belts, the asteroids are spread out) but they are very numerous and easy to find with the right equipment. Scan down your rock, warp in, nom it, look for a new rock.
Now miners are engaged at keys all the time, mining is more interesting, miners don't have to sit exposed in the same place for long stretches of time, and bots have a tough time emulating them.
Downside: fightclub PVPers don't have a "belt one" to gather at for pew any more. Though I suppose planets could suffice? Needs more work obviously.
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Dreya Renthold
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Posted - 2011.03.10 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: gunnar aztek
i'll support ANYTHING that makes mining less boring!
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wolf419
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Posted - 2011.03.11 09:08:00 -
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ok guys useing frigs in highsec wont work at all do to macro programing ease but bigger rats will put a major cramp in there day by bigger i meen like cruiser's and or the ocasional bs granted lower bounties the low or nullsec rats of course dont want them qqing that highsec is to op
as for the rorqual leave it a lone it's ment to be the biggest for a reason if you make it smaller to fit in wh's you gota give up it's main purpos and that is a flag ship for industrial and combat operations
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Nyalnara
TAKAGI Corp
Ares Protectiva
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Posted - 2011.03.11 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kwashi
Making the belts require scanprobes to find may also help. It would be more difficult to write a bot that quickly probes down scan hits.
Example: A new kind of scan probe is introduced called the specialized grav probe or something. It only finds grav sites, but also finds special grav sites other probes can't find. Each of these special sites has one rock in it (like real asteroid belts, the asteroids are spread out) but they are very numerous and easy to find with the right equipment. Scan down your rock, warp in, nom it, look for a new rock.
Now miners are engaged at keys all the time, mining is more interesting, miners don't have to sit exposed in the same place for long stretches of time, and bots have a tough time emulating them.
Downside: fightclub PVPers don't have a "belt one" to gather at for pew any more. Though I suppose planets could suffice? Needs more work obviously.
Make those probable mining belts spawned with dynamic location, and not static like the current ones, too.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
draketrain
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.12 08:37:00 -
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In my first days of EVE I was planning to become a glorious miner.
HOWEVER.
Soon after couple of days I discovered that mining was just about using dumb exploits and bots or reprocessing drone loot from macro space. How in the hell it does make sense to mine your frigging minerals and jettison them in space then get ALT to haul it. Oh god.
What I would need is hidden asteroids I can find by exploring and SCANNING for minerals in the asteroids. When I'd finally find a good one I could spend a little time mining it and relatively quickly (under level 4 combat mission time) get the minerals, WITHOUT absolute need for ALTS. Curse them.
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