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Tchulen Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries 252	Posted - 2012.08.20 06:57:00 - [1] - Quote You do realise that a massive proportion of the "women" in online games are actually men, right? And you know that cross dressing men just love the lingerie and heels. So basically, most of the women in EvE are actually cross dressing men, all of whom will be wanting to wear high heals. So it's kinda understandable that they left out anything without a heal as they didn't realistically expect to get any females playing. Since you're quite obviously female (after all, no cross dressing men ever complain about having to wear high heals) I'm going to get behind your campaign if only because I think women in EvE should actually be women and you are one so, erm..... fancy a date?
Tchulen Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries 252	Posted - 2012.08.20 11:40:00 - [2] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: How is having a female character crossdressing? I think you might have taken that a little too seriously.
Tchulen Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries 252	Posted - 2012.08.20 12:08:00 - [3] - Quote Roime wrote: Did you know that high heels may improve the tone of a woman's pelvic floor, thus affecting female incontinence? No, no I didn't. It's amazing some of the things you learn on this forum.
Tchulen Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries 254	Posted - 2012.08.20 14:03:00 - [4] - Quote Isabel Midnight wrote: The transphobia and misogyny in this thread even after a few short days is very telling. Walking in stations was conceived and developed to appeal to the female playerbase. There was even a long dev blog by Hellmar I believe , years ago , saying as such. Either CCP should confess that was bunk and they designed this thing to appeal to their misogynistic male playerbase, or they have gone woefully off track. The first thing I saw when I started playing was the character creation screen where I am forced to choose high heels. First impressions count. Even if you never see it again, it's still the very first thing you do! Please fix this. One woman's misogyny is another woman's humour. Just because you've recently discovered that shouting "racist", "sexist", "ageist", "misogynist" etc will get you somewhere in today's overly touchy-feely society doesn't mean you'll get what you want just by screaming it on the EvE forums. You need to back up your claim and arguably have people agree with you before anyone from CCP will even bother looking at your demands. Misogyny requires an intent, not a misinterpretation (intentional or otherwise). Basically, whether it is actually misogynistic comes down to whether the person who said it intended it to be so, not whether you've misinterpreted a comment meant to be mildly amusing as intentionally offensive. One more thing; I was under the impression misogyny was entirely in the male domain, no? Not all women see eye to eye with you on this one. Some view additional development time on WIS before they have any form of interaction between avatars as a complete waste of time. No one sees your shoes on a portrait, for example. As for transphobia, get off your high horse. Just because someone doesn't agree with you you can't just accuse them of hate crimes. I have an american who works with me who pokes fun at me because of my nationality amongst other things. Should I make an official complaint about him being a racist or accept it because it's meant to be a joke? If you answer the former I pity you, I really do. One last thing: If WIS was so important for the game (I'm ignoring gender here) why did CCP all but stop development on it?
Tchulen Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries 255	Posted - 2012.08.21 06:23:00 - [5] - Quote Isabel Midnight wrote: Typical dimissive bullshit that I've come to expect from male 'gamers'. The people who are making jokes about men in skirts are being transphobic , flat out , that isn't even a discussion its the definition of transphobia. Misogyny certainly does not require 'intent'. Saying 'oh I'm sorry I didin't MEAN to be a sexist piece of **' doesn't mean to anyone who is a victim of this . The fact women are forced into high heels right at the start of the game is repulsive and offensive. I don't care if it was an accident it still needs to be fixed. I find your anger offensive. You've made me cry a little. I also wish you'd stop refering to me as misogynistic. You should look it up and see if you can understand the definition. Isabel Midnight wrote: Intent is not magic! If you accidentally step on someone's toe and hurt their foot, you say sorry, because you hurt their foot. It doesn't matter if you didn't intend to! Their foot still hurts! Unless they spit venom and swear at me repeatedly in which case I laugh at them and do it again. Isabel Midnight wrote: i dont think you understand collision detection or programming. Lol. And you're a programmer are you? Isabel Midnight wrote:** The female thin model looks dangerously underweight but that's probably another discussion. I guess that might be the case by contrast if you're a fat heffer. They don't look dangerously underweight to me but then I've got a good figure.
Tchulen Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries 255	Posted - 2012.08.21 18:54:00 - [6] - Quote Isabel Midnight wrote: Being anorexic is far more serious than being mildly overweight, especially in the short term.. Who said anything about anorexia? Just because a person's thin it doesn't necessarily mean they're anorexic. Isabel Midnight wrote: For the record yes I am a programmer , python too even , I would link you my git-hub portfolio but I don't want Google to associate it with this cesspool of nerds. If that's true I apologise and retract my sarcastic comment. Isabel Midnight wrote: Oh for Tchulen , once you've been stood on so many times you tend to get angry when people keep doing it and claiming innocence. You should try it but coming from your position of intense privilege doubt that you could even conceive of the problems for those without it in modern society. Having thick skin generally doesn't come from living a privileged lifestyle. When you get stood on so many times you have two choices. 1) to become bitter and always assume people are trying to attack you or 2) toughen up and see things in a positive light until proven wrong. I chose the latter. It's not the easier of the two. I am genuinely sorry if your life experiences have led you to the former.
Tchulen Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries 257	Posted - 2012.08.22 05:56:00 - [7] - Quote Isabel Midnight wrote: 3) do something about it Also if CCP really don't want to have different heights, make women taller. What do you do about it? Angrily lash out to protect your ill-perceived "rights"? Yeah, that fits into my 1) so you do prescribe to my former option. I disagree. Making the women taller would be an insult to short women. At the moment it's at roughly an average height. Some people would find it just as insulting if women were made taller as you appear to find having to wear heals. Pretty much any change you can think of I can think of a reason why it would insult me or someone else I know who plays. Screaming about how insulted you are by something as meaningless as shoe type in an online computer game which currently has no avatar interaction merely makes you look like a whiny daddy's girl who's used to stamping her feet and getting her own way, not someone who's been trodden on as you claim. If there was any avatar interaction and you posed it as a well thought out, calm proposal I would have got behind you 100% but you didn't. You posted a pissed off rant demanding that CCP change something because it offends you. Well, you offend me so I DEMAND that you change until you don't. That's me done with this tripe.
Tchulen Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries 259	Posted - 2012.08.22 12:32:00 - [8] - Quote Isabel Midnight wrote: Tchulen wrote: If there was any avatar interaction and you posed it as a well thought out, calm proposal I would have got behind you 100% but you didn't. You posted a pissed off rant demanding that CCP change something because it offends you. Well, you offend me so I DEMAND that you change until you don't. http://www.derailingfordummies.com/complete.html#notlistening Sorry, you're saying that you're a Marginalised Person? I guess this time I agree with you.
Tchulen Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries 262	Posted - 2012.08.23 06:37:00 - [9] - Quote Tenris Anis wrote: I can claim this because I understand bio-mechanics, you can enhance the body in other regards to compensate, but changing your legs in a way high heels do is reducing your run performance. You may still be faster than someone without this improvements though You appear to be contradicting yourself. Be that as it may, it's still irrelevant. We're all pod pilots. We spend most of our time inside pods inside spaceships. Why would we give a toss whether we have good run performance or not?
Tchulen Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries 265	Posted - 2012.08.23 14:04:00 - [10] - Quote Isabel Midnight wrote: Could people stop attempting to derail my thread with dumb strawman arguments please thanks. If you have a genuine issue make another thread about it. What's a strawman argument? I've looked it up but still don't get the context you're using.
Tchulen Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries 268	Posted - 2012.08.24 06:24:00 - [11] - Quote @Vassal Zeren - Thanks for the explanation

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