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Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.18 13:09:00 -
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Every single boot or shoe in NEX or available through the character creation thing has a massive heel on it. It's a joke and insanely misogynistic to have not even considered this massive oversight. I hate wearing high heels in real life as they are painful and extremely awkward to walk in and mostly only for pleasing dumb ass men.
CCP art team needs to pull their head out their ass and introduce some non high heels for female characters to wear. I'm supposed to be a spaceship captain not a stripper. I need actual practical shoes. Male character's get them.
You could also fix this by removing the 'gender' requirement on clothing but I guess that's another post.
STOP FORCING WOMEN TO WEAR HIGH HEELS IN VIDEO GAMES
For anyone who is unclear this isn't a joke post or a troll. I legitimately think a game that offers character customization that forces me to wear high heels in 2012 is disgusting. |
Loco Ramos
The Dark Space Initiative
0
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Posted - 2012.08.18 13:17:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:I hate wearing high heels in real life as they are painful and extremely awkward to walk in and mostly only for pleasing dumb ass men.
If you're tall enough, can i have any data that allows me to stalk you?
I'm small, yellow skinned and have a black stripped belly, i think you'll find this sexy. My genes, your genes, flying together way way up |
Tomytronic
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
214
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Posted - 2012.08.18 13:18:00 -
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You say this isn't a joke post or a troll... but that's the troll right? I mean it just has to be. |
Vaal Hadren
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.08.18 14:33:00 -
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There are NO high heel options for men!
This is an outrage, STOP forcing men to wear shoes without heels.
And tinsel. There is NO tinsel or pearl necklace option for men OR women in the NEX.
CCP DISCRIMINATE AGAINST LADYBOYS!
This matriachic insanity must NOT continue. Why do only women get pony tails and breasts?!
There's an 'ism' here just waiting to be thrown around.
Give me panties not briefs!
GAH! |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.08.18 16:36:00 -
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Vaal Hadren wrote:There are NO high heel options for men!
This is an outrage, STOP forcing men to wear shoes without heels.
And tinsel. There is NO tinsel or pearl necklace option for men OR women in the NEX.
CCP DISCRIMINATE AGAINST LADYBOYS!
This matriachic insanity must NOT continue. Why do only women get pony tails and breasts?!
There's an 'ism' here just waiting to be thrown around.
Give me panties not briefs!
GAH!
The ability for male characters to not wear certain items is unfortunate but is not close to the same as FORCING women to wear high heels. At best high heels are uncomfortable at worst they can be extremely painful.
Dictating that women have to wear highly sexualized clothing that they would be uncomfortable wearing is simply not OK. |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.08.19 11:51:00 -
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bump for feminsm |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
379
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Posted - 2012.08.19 13:50:00 -
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I'm flyin' a ship Flyin' a big ol' ship Pedal to the metal, hope someone doesn't give my can a flip Rollin' down the overview until the break of dawn Flyin' a ship with my high heels on
My ORE mining barge is northward bound It's time to put that hammer down Just watchin' as the AUs go flyin' by I'm ridin' twenty thousand tons of steel But it's sure hard to hold the wheel While I'm still waitin' for my nails to dry
Oh, I always gotta check my lipstick in that rear-view mirror And my pink angora sweater fits so tight I'm jammin' gears and haulin' freight Well, I sure hope my seams are straight Lord, don't let my mascara run tonight
I'm flyin' a ship Flyin' a ship Got a load to carry and some eyebrows left to pluck And I'm late for my appointment down at my hair salon So I'll be flyin' a ship with my high heels on Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
NiGhTTraX
FISKL GUARDS Nulli Secunda
116
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Posted - 2012.08.19 17:42:00 -
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Oh look, another one of those threads that takes space on the first page promoting some useless cowdung while legitimate ideas get overlooked. Hooray for forums! If you're gonna post here thinking your idea is the greatest thing since bacon and that it will save EVE and possibly all humankind with it, you're gonna have a bad time. |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.08.19 19:20:00 -
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NiGhTTraX wrote:Oh look, another one of those threads that takes space on the first page promoting some useless cowdung while legitimate ideas get overlooked. Hooray for forums!
Says a lot about your attitudes towards women if you think this is useless cowdung... |
The Chronophage
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.08.19 22:53:00 -
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CCP should just put some flats in NEX and charge 70 dollars for it. It'll be the monocle for the Eve feminist.
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Katie Frost
Asgard. Exodus.
91
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:50:00 -
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This reminds me of a Southpark episode...
"THIS IS LESBOOOOOOOS!"
C'mon... high heels? Really? It's a game, no need to make it all RL political.
Turn off CQ and pretend that you are a butch female captain wearing a uniform with military boots. Problem fixed. |
Auron Solaris
House Valui
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 00:11:00 -
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look, considering the fact that the doors constantly jammed on our captains quarters and the maintenance teams are out on vacation no ones going to care what you look like anyway. Also given the fact that any one character can only see a portrait of you I think you need to settle down to the fact that ccp has more pressing matters to concern them at this stage.
Once walking in stations is actually implemented then I would expect even some flip flops available, time will tell I guess. |
Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Intrepid Crossing
143
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Posted - 2012.08.20 00:54:00 -
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This is an important and severely overlooked game feature......oh wait. Nobody cares. To used an oft quoted expression where I work...."man up" I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
39
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Posted - 2012.08.20 02:21:00 -
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I would also like to have shoes without heels. Especially the ones with the label "Combat" on them. |
Dersen Lowery
Knavery Inc. StructureDamage
68
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Posted - 2012.08.20 03:24:00 -
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Katie Frost wrote:C'mon... high heels? Really? It's a game, no need to make it all RL political.
How is it not bringing RL politics into a game to not give women one single practical pair of shoes? They're pilots, not executive assistants.
The vehement reaction against this is telling. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1235
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Posted - 2012.08.20 04:04:00 -
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Totally agree. Even the combatish boots have heels.
I wonder if female Dust soldiers would have heels... are there female Dust soldiers? |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
151
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Posted - 2012.08.20 06:05:00 -
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I have seen the future, and it wears heels. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries
252
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Posted - 2012.08.20 06:57:00 -
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You do realise that a massive proportion of the "women" in online games are actually men, right?
And you know that cross dressing men just love the lingerie and heels.
So basically, most of the women in EvE are actually cross dressing men, all of whom will be wanting to wear high heals.
So it's kinda understandable that they left out anything without a heal as they didn't realistically expect to get any females playing.
Since you're quite obviously female (after all, no cross dressing men ever complain about having to wear high heals) I'm going to get behind your campaign if only because I think women in EvE should actually be women and you are one so, erm..... fancy a date? |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
380
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Posted - 2012.08.20 11:30:00 -
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How is having a female character crossdressing? Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries
252
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Posted - 2012.08.20 11:40:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:How is having a female character crossdressing?
I think you might have taken that a little too seriously. |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1072
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Posted - 2012.08.20 12:02:00 -
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Did you know that high heels may improve the tone of a woman's pelvic floor, thus affecting female incontinence?
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries
252
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Posted - 2012.08.20 12:08:00 -
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Roime wrote:Did you know that high heels may improve the tone of a woman's pelvic floor, thus affecting female incontinence?
No, no I didn't. It's amazing some of the things you learn on this forum.
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Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.08.20 12:54:00 -
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The transphobia and misogyny in this thread even after a few short days is very telling.
Walking in stations was conceived and developed to appeal to the female playerbase. There was even a long dev blog by Hellmar I believe , years ago , saying as such. Either CCP should confess that was bunk and they designed this thing to appeal to their misogynistic male playerbase, or they have gone woefully off track.
The first thing I saw when I started playing was the character creation screen where I am forced to choose high heels. First impressions count. Even if you never see it again, it's still the very first thing you do! Please fix this. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries
254
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:03:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:The transphobia and misogyny in this thread even after a few short days is very telling.
Walking in stations was conceived and developed to appeal to the female playerbase. There was even a long dev blog by Hellmar I believe , years ago , saying as such. Either CCP should confess that was bunk and they designed this thing to appeal to their misogynistic male playerbase, or they have gone woefully off track.
The first thing I saw when I started playing was the character creation screen where I am forced to choose high heels. First impressions count. Even if you never see it again, it's still the very first thing you do! Please fix this.
One woman's misogyny is another woman's humour. Just because you've recently discovered that shouting "racist", "sexist", "ageist", "misogynist" etc will get you somewhere in today's overly touchy-feely society doesn't mean you'll get what you want just by screaming it on the EvE forums. You need to back up your claim and arguably have people agree with you before anyone from CCP will even bother looking at your demands. Misogyny requires an intent, not a misinterpretation (intentional or otherwise). Basically, whether it is actually misogynistic comes down to whether the person who said it intended it to be so, not whether you've misinterpreted a comment meant to be mildly amusing as intentionally offensive. One more thing; I was under the impression misogyny was entirely in the male domain, no?
Not all women see eye to eye with you on this one. Some view additional development time on WIS before they have any form of interaction between avatars as a complete waste of time. No one sees your shoes on a portrait, for example.
As for transphobia, get off your high horse. Just because someone doesn't agree with you you can't just accuse them of hate crimes. I have an american who works with me who pokes fun at me because of my nationality amongst other things. Should I make an official complaint about him being a racist or accept it because it's meant to be a joke? If you answer the former I pity you, I really do.
One last thing: If WIS was so important for the game (I'm ignoring gender here) why did CCP all but stop development on it? |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1236
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:13:00 -
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Tchulen wrote: One last thing: If WIS was so important for the game (I'm ignoring gender here) why did CCP all but stop development on it?
That one is easy.
They spent 3 years on it and all we got was one room and the DOOR!
That plus the fearless article led to massive rage, and so CCP panicked and dropped it for a later date.
Hopefully when they pick it back up again they will give us actual content and will not remove other content. |
Michael Loney
Skullspace Industries
24
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:14:00 -
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Until there is a slider for weight that has its lower limit set by the average of your country, heels are in. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1236
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:15:00 -
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Roime wrote:Did you know that high heels may improve the tone of a woman's pelvic floor, thus affecting female incontinence?
Did you know bullets to the brain may improve a man's ED?
See I can make random statements without proof too. |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
183
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Posted - 2012.08.20 14:18:00 -
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i think isabels annoyance comes from the fact she uses Captains Quarters often rather than the hangar bay view that most players do. And i cant exacly say thats a bad thing. The concept of incarna was to allow players to be able to personally identify with their characters. And i am lead to believe that women need that personal touch to better connect with their avatars.
on the one hand yes there is a case that someone is taking things too far with the need for 'flats', when you consider most if not all male players play eve with captains quarters off, and with those off and the portraits being at most from the waist up, the idea complaining about a very restrictive shoe selection does seem absurd.
on the other however, chances are most women who do play eve probably play with captains quarters on. so they do see their avatar constantly, and most likely with that constant "high heel" stance. does it really take soo much effort for a member of the art department to make a small pair of flats?
i have a feeling that i should have wrote a really sexist post tho... something like "ohh once u have all the shoes u lot want i guess ur gonna start complaining u dont have the bags to match them!"...
...or something. |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:34:00 -
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Tchulen wrote:Isabel Midnight wrote:The transphobia and misogyny in this thread even after a few short days is very telling.
Walking in stations was conceived and developed to appeal to the female playerbase. There was even a long dev blog by Hellmar I believe , years ago , saying as such. Either CCP should confess that was bunk and they designed this thing to appeal to their misogynistic male playerbase, or they have gone woefully off track.
The first thing I saw when I started playing was the character creation screen where I am forced to choose high heels. First impressions count. Even if you never see it again, it's still the very first thing you do! Please fix this. One woman's misogyny is another woman's humour. Just because you've recently discovered that shouting "racist", "sexist", "ageist", "misogynist" etc will get you somewhere in today's overly touchy-feely society doesn't mean you'll get what you want just by screaming it on the EvE forums. You need to back up your claim and arguably have people agree with you before anyone from CCP will even bother looking at your demands. Misogyny requires an intent, not a misinterpretation (intentional or otherwise). Basically, whether it is actually misogynistic comes down to whether the person who said it intended it to be so, not whether you've misinterpreted a comment meant to be mildly amusing as intentionally offensive. One more thing; I was under the impression misogyny was entirely in the male domain, no? Not all women see eye to eye with you on this one. Some view additional development time on WIS before they have any form of interaction between avatars as a complete waste of time. No one sees your shoes on a portrait, for example. As for transphobia, get off your high horse. Just because someone doesn't agree with you you can't just accuse them of hate crimes. I have an american who works with me who pokes fun at me because of my nationality amongst other things. Should I make an official complaint about him being a racist or accept it because it's meant to be a joke? If you answer the former I pity you, I really do. One last thing: If WIS was so important for the game (I'm ignoring gender here) why did CCP all but stop development on it?
Typical dimissive bullshit that I've come to expect from male 'gamers'. The people who are making jokes about men in skirts are being transphobic , flat out , that isn't even a discussion its the definition of transphobia.
Misogyny certainly does not require 'intent'. Saying 'oh I'm sorry I didin't MEAN to be a sexist piece of ****' doesn't mean **** to anyone who is a victim of this ****.
The fact women are forced into high heels right at the start of the game is repulsive and offensive. I don't care if it was an accident it still needs to be fixed. |
Dersen Lowery
Knavery Inc. StructureDamage
68
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:41:00 -
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A constructive reply: The change you want probably won't happen soon.
The problem is that realistic collision detection is exponentially complex, with the exponent roughly corresponding to the number of different heights that the engine has to take into account. This is why, at present, all capsuleers are the exact same height, about 5'8"--men in flats, women in heels. Give women the option to drop to 5'5" or so in flats, and you've just made it harder. Making flats the default shoe for women is even more work, because all the models are designed to be 5'8" in heels. CCP would have to find some way to add a few inches of height to every female toon without making any of them look absurd. Not to mention that they'd have to have two default female poses, since heels change the way that you stand and walk.
I support the feature. Just be aware that implementing it has complications, and CCP will have to engineer around them. It's not as simple as adding flats to the character customization options. |
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