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Ellariona
The Elysian Agoge Elysian Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.07 16:05:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Isabel Midnight wrote:The female thin model looks dangerously underweight but that's probably another discussion. Why wouldn't a "thin" model look underweight? Just as a "fat" model would look overweight, it makes sense. The fat model does not actually look overweight in any way and the thin one is thin to the point of danger.
So basically, you're jealous of the skinny, heel-wearing avatars? :s |
Ellariona
The Elysian Agoge Elysian Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.09.07 16:25:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Every single boot or shoe in NEX or available through the character creation thing has a massive heel on it. It's a joke and insanely misogynistic to have not even considered this massive oversight. I hate wearing high heels in real life as they are painful and extremely awkward to walk in and mostly only for pleasing dumb ass men.
CCP art team needs to pull their head out their ass and introduce some non high heels for female characters to wear. I'm supposed to be a spaceship captain. I need actual practical shoes. Male character's get them.
You could also fix this by removing the 'gender' requirement on clothing but I guess that's another post.
STOP FORCING WOMEN TO WEAR HIGH HEELS IN VIDEO GAMES
For anyone who is unclear this isn't a joke post or a troll. I legitimately think a game that offers character customization that forces me to wear high heels in 2012 is disgusting.
The fact that OP thinks that high heels are linked to misogyny baffles me. I treat women like objects in real life, but I really dislike heels.
No, just kidding. Here comes my real reply:
If you think a heel (although, I must agree IRL they are mostly being defined as either "tough bi-atch" or "sl-ut" type shoes) is a symbol for misogyny, then I could say the same about all the "tough guy" clothing being misandrous. If you hate wearing them in real life because you either can't walk in them or are overweight, leave your problems at the door. Do you think all of us men wear either tight leather-looking pants or baggy pants? Do you think all of us men are that skinny or muscular? Do you think WE like to see the contrast between RL and our eve avatars? No, we don't. And I don't think most of us care, even. Fact is, this is EVE. Not to be confused with reality. In New Eden, especially for Gallente women I would think, for all you know high heel shoes are a symbol of stature, divinity and freedom. And about the weight issue, I assume to be a capsuleer (wether female or not), you need to have a certain limit in weight, as more fat would mean more tissue moving around by the g-forces affecting you.
I say -1 to this superfeminist (I have nothing against equal gender rights, but I do have a problem with crybabies), overly subjective and pointless thread. |
Paikis
Lycosa Syndicate Surely You're Joking
151
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Posted - 2012.09.07 16:37:00 -
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mi-+sog-+y-+nist GÇé [mih-soj-uh-nist, mahyGÇÉ] noun a person who hates, dislikes, mistrusts, or mistreats women
I guess I'm a misogynist then, because I don't trust them as far as I can kick them. Up hill and against the wind. Irony of ironies, feminism has done more to create a generation of ACTUAL misogynists than anything else possibly could. To top it off, women are the most unhappy they've ever been (as a group) and are painted as perpetual victims unable to do anything for themselves. Feminists do an absolutely MARVELOUS job of treating women as children. Feminism is misogynistic?
Having said that, why are we having a political discussion in my internet spaceships forum!? |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
533
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Posted - 2012.09.07 16:42:00 -
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Paikis wrote:mi-+sog-+y-+nist GÇé [mih-soj-uh-nist, mahyGÇÉ] noun a person who hates, dislikes, mistrusts, or mistreats women
I guess I'm a misogynist then, because I don't trust them as far as I can kick them. Up hill and against the wind. Irony of ironies, feminism has done more to create a generation of ACTUAL misogynists than anything else possibly could. To top it off, women are the most unhappy they've ever been (as a group) and are painted as perpetual victims unable to do anything for themselves. Feminists do an absolutely MARVELOUS job of treating women as children. Feminism is misogynistic?
Having said that, why are we having a political discussion in my internet spaceships forum!? I noticed this strange event as well...
Thank goodness I am not the only one baffled by this contrast with appropriate topic content.
Now, If you wanted shoes that launched missiles, THAT I could get behind you with.
Especially if they are high heels. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2335
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:23:00 -
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Uhh...dudes? Characterizing the feminist movement as bad for women just feeds their delusions.
I'm just waiting for the OP to make a thread about being forced to wear a bra. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
Elshar Khandar
The Jolly Slavers
14
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:42:00 -
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Paikis wrote: Having said that, why are we having a political discussion in my internet spaceships forum!?
I think it's because the OP started it and needed to have some realities explaining to her.
Mind you, you and Nik both make the fair point, albeit obliquely, that this is a forum for features and ideas for the online multi-player game EvE. I don't believe this includes delusional whining on the scale seen in this thread.
Just my twopence worth, mind. I really want to make it clear at this point that this is merely my opinion and not "truth" in any sense of the word.
@Nik - Hell yeah! I can so get behind high heal boots with missile launchers built in. I might have to start another thread.....
mu-hahahaha! |
GTN
BALKAN EXPRESS
23
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Posted - 2012.09.08 09:22:00 -
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What you guys fail to understand is that CCP will give this woman what she wants. Because the world is heading in a female-dominant direction, and CCP isn't an exception to this. This makes me both angry and happy at the same time |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.09.08 12:27:00 -
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At the moment I don't really need to do anything to argue against you because you are making your own argument. There are some really scummy people coming forth to defend this stuff.
Also FYI , intent has nothing to do with whether it is misogynistic or not. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
537
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Posted - 2012.09.08 16:15:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Also FYI , intent has nothing to do with whether it is misogynistic or not. Ah, so you admit the possibility that no intent to demean or marginalize women has taken place.
Without the intent to cause harm, the perception of such harm could be defined as being limited to only those choosing to see it.
This raises the question, why do you choose to see harm?
Will winning this battle fill some hole in your heart? I do hope for you to find inner peace, but to do so upon changes to our game is unfair to those of us simply wanting to play with space ships.
Perhaps you should stop trying to walk all over us with your shoes. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1289
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Posted - 2012.09.08 17:04:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:At the moment I don't really need to do anything to argue against you because you are making your own argument. There are some really scummy people coming forth to defend this stuff.
Also FYI , intent has nothing to do with whether it is misogynistic or not. Yes it does. Intent is the entire definition of the term.
Misogyny is an active state of mind. It requires the intended hatred, otherwise it is not misogynistic. You can't accidentally hate women.
Just like racism must be intentional, so must sexism.
I still would like some non heeled shoes, just for some variety. But, you're taking it too far. There is nothing wrong about how it is now... just lacking variety. |
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Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.09.08 17:29:00 -
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Intent is not part of the term. People have even posted wikipedia definitions and such in here and intent has never been mentioned.
If you step on my foot it hurts me regardless of your intent. If someone stood on your foot and you started wailing about how you didn't mean to step on it so how dare they feel pain.... |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1289
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Posted - 2012.09.08 20:21:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Intent is not part of the term. People have even posted wikipedia definitions and such in here and intent has never been mentioned.
If you step on my foot it hurts me regardless of your intent. If someone stood on your foot and you started wailing about how you didn't mean to step on it so how dare they feel pain.... Hatred is an active and intentional thing.
Misogyny cannot be done without intending to. Just like racism cannot be unintentional, as it requires the person to have a hatred/dislike of the other race. |
Xuixien
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
132
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Posted - 2012.09.08 21:59:00 -
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Isabel wrote: dumb ass men.
Stopped reading here.
Obviously don't respect men, so why should the game be changed to suite your tastes?
You are also not a spaceship captain. You are a capsuleer. Get ready for this: Your character is naked whenever they are piloting a ship.
My advice is HTFU. Rabble Rabble!! Rifterlings is currently recruiting frigate and cruiser pilots for LowSec/NullSec small gang PvP and FW. Newbies and veterans alike are welcome.
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Xuixien
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
132
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Posted - 2012.09.08 22:03:00 -
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In our day and age you can be accused of "misogyny" for stating that men should have equal rights when it comes to family planning. Rabble Rabble!! Rifterlings is currently recruiting frigate and cruiser pilots for LowSec/NullSec small gang PvP and FW. Newbies and veterans alike are welcome.
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Ellariona
The Elysian Agoge Elysian Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.09 15:28:00 -
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I have long ago joined the hominist movement because of the inbalance that has been brought up by feminism. |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.09.09 15:39:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:In our day and age you can be accused of "misogyny" for stating that men should have equal rights when it comes to family planning.
Gonna quote this for posterity cos goddamn. |
Lili Lu
401
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Posted - 2012.09.09 15:47:00 -
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Vive la difference.
But high heels are not part of that evolution. CCP, please get rid of them.
And how about long dresses? And bring back many of the hair styles and clothing from the old character portrait generator you forgot to import with Incarna. Like male Intaki hair. Transluscent and lace veils. Molded ornamental collars (like I used to have ) . . . |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1292
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Posted - 2012.09.09 19:20:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Vive la difference. ... And how about long dresses? And bring back many of the hair styles and clothing from the old character portrait generator you forgot to import with Incarna. Like male Intaki hair. Transluscent and lace veils. Molded ornamental collars (like I used to have ) . . . I'm in full agreement with this. We lost a lot of the culture of EVE with the much more reserved styles with Incarna. |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
327
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Posted - 2012.09.09 20:07:00 -
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To the OP:
I salute you for a great troll thread.
However I have few suggestions on how you can improve:
1. Don't overplay, the men hating combat boot wearing lesbian. It is rather easy to see through your role.
2. Posting as a member of an alliance full of WiS haters about a rather small feature of said WiS is also a dead giveaway of your intentions. Make an alt character and place it in a small corp or alliance.
3. If you would be serious about the issue you would post a well constructed post in the feature and idea forum, not attacking other EVE players, none of the persons in GD is involved in any decision involving graphics and gameplay of EVE.
4. Besides the high heels here are rather tame ones. If you have seen [insert generic asia MMO] girls with impossible huge boobs, skimpy armor etc, then a feminist might have reason to complain.
5. There is no fifth!
....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced. |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.09.09 21:15:00 -
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It's come to my attention that the Reddit website has picked up on this thread of mine. I take this as a good sign because if a website that is rated as a bastion of misogyny (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/misogyny-the-sites) gets upset about this .. |
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Xuixien
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
137
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Posted - 2012.09.09 22:25:00 -
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The word "misogyny" has been so over-used as a shaming tactic that it has essentially lost all of it's meaning. The only place it holds any value as a word anymore is within feminist echo-chambers.
Further reading.
Also: LOL @ quoting anything from the SPLC. Rabble Rabble!! Rifterlings is currently recruiting frigate and cruiser pilots for LowSec/NullSec small gang PvP and FW. Newbies and veterans alike are welcome.
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Sal Volatile
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.09.09 23:50:00 -
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As a man, I fully support the OP. Also, people whose ideas about misogyny are informed by the men's rights movement are profoundly ignorant and blind to their own privilege. Misogyny is not meaningless, it's very real, it often exists by inertia or is deeply embedded in culture and is deeply internalized, and pointing it out does not make anyone a "man hater."
Of course, videogame culture is highly reactionary, very young, and very uneducated, so this discussion will probably not be terribly productive.
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Xuixien
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
137
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Posted - 2012.09.10 01:57:00 -
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Sal Volatile wrote:As a man, I fully support the OP. Also, people whose ideas about misogyny are informed by the men's rights movement are profoundly ignorant and blind to their own privilege. Misogyny is not meaningless, it's very real, it often exists by inertia or is deeply embedded in culture and is deeply internalized, and pointing it out does not make anyone a "man hater."
There is no such thing as male privilege. Unless you're talking about...
70-80% of the victims of violent crime are............ men. Most **** victims are.......... men. Most military casualties are.......... men. Most people killed on the job are........ men. The people working the tough and dangerous jobs are...... men. Perpetrators of domestic violence are equally likely to be male or female, yet domestic abusers are only portrayed as......... men. As much as 40% of child molesters are female, yet child molesters are only portrayed as......... men. "Primary Aggressor" laws mean that even if the perpetrator is female, the people arrested for domestic disputes are.............. men.
INB4 B-b-b-b-b-but CEO's.
Sal Volatile wrote:Of course, videogame culture is highly reactionary, very young, and very uneducated, so this discussion will probably not be terribly productive.
The whole "if you don't agree with me you're stupid" line leads me to believe you're a troll.
Rabble Rabble!! Rifterlings is currently recruiting frigate and cruiser pilots for LowSec/NullSec small gang PvP and FW. Newbies and veterans alike are welcome.
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Vertinox
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.09.10 01:58:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:A constructive reply: The change you want probably won't happen soon.
The problem is that realistic collision detection is exponentially complex, with the exponent roughly corresponding to the number of different heights that the engine has to take into account. This is why, at present, all capsuleers are the exact same height, about 5'8"--men in flats, women in heels. Give women the option to drop to 5'5" or so in flats, and you've just made it harder. Making flats the default shoe for women is even more work, because all the models are designed to be 5'8" in heels. CCP would have to find some way to add a few inches of height to every female toon without making any of them look absurd. Not to mention that they'd have to have two default female poses, since heels change the way that you stand and walk.
I support the feature. Just be aware that implementing it has complications, and CCP will have to engineer around them. It's not as simple as adding flats to the character customization options.
Or they could... You know... Maybe make players with different sizes with a height slider bar like some many other 3rd rate MMOs do. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1295
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:07:00 -
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Vertinox wrote:Dersen Lowery wrote:A constructive reply: The change you want probably won't happen soon.
The problem is that realistic collision detection is exponentially complex, with the exponent roughly corresponding to the number of different heights that the engine has to take into account. This is why, at present, all capsuleers are the exact same height, about 5'8"--men in flats, women in heels. Give women the option to drop to 5'5" or so in flats, and you've just made it harder. Making flats the default shoe for women is even more work, because all the models are designed to be 5'8" in heels. CCP would have to find some way to add a few inches of height to every female toon without making any of them look absurd. Not to mention that they'd have to have two default female poses, since heels change the way that you stand and walk.
I support the feature. Just be aware that implementing it has complications, and CCP will have to engineer around them. It's not as simple as adding flats to the character customization options. Or they could... You know... Maybe make players with different sizes with a height slider bar like some many other 3rd rate MMOs do. Not possible yet with the animation engine (or something like that). |
Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
211
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Posted - 2012.09.10 03:12:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Every single boot or shoe in NEX or available through the character creation thing has a massive heel on it. It's a joke and insanely misogynistic to have not even considered this massive oversight. I hate wearing high heels in real life as they are painful and extremely awkward to walk in and mostly only for pleasing dumb ass men.
CCP art team needs to pull their head out their ass and introduce some non high heels for female characters to wear. I'm supposed to be a spaceship captain. I need actual practical shoes. Male character's get them.
You could also fix this by removing the 'gender' requirement on clothing but I guess that's another post.
STOP FORCING WOMEN TO WEAR HIGH HEELS IN VIDEO GAMES
For anyone who is unclear this isn't a joke post or a troll. I legitimately think a game that offers character customization that forces me to wear high heels in 2012 is disgusting. Honestly i actually think heels SHOULD be in the game, but only as a very small set of shoes amongst myriad of choices, as everyone has their own personal tastes.
but (as a guy) i HATE heels, they look horrible, are honestly quite pointless, and just frankly are not very logical as shoes. i dont know, maybe i prefer a more utilitarian look, but i was SO GLAD when i found out my GF preffered boots and jeans instead of heels and skirts. |
Lady Hanguko
Suicide Lemmings
1
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Posted - 2012.09.10 06:43:00 -
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Isabel Midnight, u sure are in the right place for socio-political bullshit. Yep, it only makes since, since your a congress women, and this is obviously not eve online, but in fact US Congress..... Look kid, some1 gonna have to tell u eventually... sorry it has to be me... u see, this is a video entertainment product, a game. Yeah, i know u don't believe it, but i swear its so. You can look it up on the Wikipedia, if you don't believe me.
PS: Isabel, unless you be some1 i know in RL, i personally cant care less if u are a women, a man or an alien. I don't really care about your political and social views. That why i play this game, cause i don't have to care about none of it. I care if i can kill you, Isabel, or if you can kill me, and if i need to come up with something better. I care about this next ship im gonna buy, to kill you, or the ship you gonna buy to kill me. The very last thing i care about then i see a potential target, after its fitting, cargo, support if any, tactics... is gonna be that shoes you wear. Somehow i think im not one of the kind. |
Lady Hanguko
Suicide Lemmings
1
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Posted - 2012.09.10 07:06:00 -
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Haha, but it is an idea, gotta give it to u. The very next1 time im gonna engage, 1st thing im gonna check is shoes... i donno maybe u on to something imao..... |
Elshar Khandar
The Jolly Slavers
22
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Posted - 2012.09.10 09:32:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Intent is not part of the term. People have even posted wikipedia definitions and such in here and intent has never been mentioned.
If you step on my foot it hurts me regardless of your intent. If someone stood on your foot and you started wailing about how you didn't mean to step on it so how dare they feel pain....
Unfortunately your analogy doesn't work.
If I stepped on your foot intentionally because I hate women in general, not because it was an accident or because I've developed a deep seated hatred of you personally due to your behaviour and biggotry then it would be classed as misogyny.
If I stepped on your foot because it was an accident, whether it hurt or not it would still be an accident and not have anything to do with misogyny.
If I stepped on your foot intentionally to hurt you because I'd developed a deep seated hatred or dislike of you personally because of your behaviour, biggotry and opinions it would still not be misogyny, it would be because I dislike or hate you, not all women.
Therefore, intent does indeed matter. In fact, it's the defining factor as to whether the action is misogynistic or not.
As I've expressed before, please acquaint yourself with an accurate definition of misogyny if you wish to continue using the word otherwise you'll merely be compounding the general perception that you're not very bright. |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:22:00 -
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It's hilarious went dudes post about how 'oppressed' they are in these modern times. |
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