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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction
The Unforgiven Alliance
167
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:46:00 -
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We need more high heels and see thru leggings. Also shorter skirts. Come on CCP, get in the game! |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:51:00 -
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Intent is not magic! If you accidentally step on someone's toe and hurt their foot, you say sorry, because you hurt their foot. It doesn't matter if you didn't intend to! Their foot still hurts!
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Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:52:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:A constructive reply: The change you want probably won't happen soon.
The problem is that realistic collision detection is exponentially complex, with the exponent roughly corresponding to the number of different heights that the engine has to take into account. This is why, at present, all capsuleers are the exact same height, about 5'8"--men in flats, women in heels. Give women the option to drop to 5'5" or so in flats, and you've just made it harder. Making flats the default shoe for women is even more work, because all the models are designed to be 5'8" in heels. CCP would have to find some way to add a few inches of height to every female toon without making any of them look absurd. Not to mention that they'd have to have two default female poses, since heels change the way that you stand and walk.
I support the feature. Just be aware that implementing it has complications, and CCP will have to engineer around them. It's not as simple as adding flats to the character customization options.
i dont think you understand collision detection or programming. |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction
The Unforgiven Alliance
167
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:52:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote: Intent is not magic! If you accidentally step on someone's toe and hurt their foot, you say sorry, because you hurt their foot. It doesn't matter if you didn't intend to! Their foot still hurts!
Your feet should be in some 6 inch heels. |
Griffin Omanid
IntersteIIar Moneymakers
12
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Posted - 2012.08.20 17:38:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Dersen Lowery wrote:A constructive reply: The change you want probably won't happen soon.
The problem is that realistic collision detection is exponentially complex, with the exponent roughly corresponding to the number of different heights that the engine has to take into account. This is why, at present, all capsuleers are the exact same height, about 5'8"--men in flats, women in heels. Give women the option to drop to 5'5" or so in flats, and you've just made it harder. Making flats the default shoe for women is even more work, because all the models are designed to be 5'8" in heels. CCP would have to find some way to add a few inches of height to every female toon without making any of them look absurd. Not to mention that they'd have to have two default female poses, since heels change the way that you stand and walk.
I support the feature. Just be aware that implementing it has complications, and CCP will have to engineer around them. It's not as simple as adding flats to the character customization options. i dont think you understand collision detection or programming.
He did not really talk about collision, more about the models, but there he is right. CCP just programed one male and one female modell, which can be altered in skin colour and some propotions in specific regions. You can for example also don-Št create a reall fat character, women look either pregnant or a little bit chubby, men just look a little chubby. It is the same problem in many other 3d-Game with a lot of characters. Every person uses one of a few body, and for example female chars looks beside theire head always nearly equally hot in no respect to their age or wealth.
PS: For everyone like me who can-Št use Imperial units 5'8" is 1.72 m, and 5'5" is 1.65 m (when using modern standart values which could alter every now and then, typicall problem with Imperial units). It fits for female chars but I think it is quit small for a male body. Now I am also pissed, because the male chars are too small, but well I use the RP-excuse the clones have to be so small to fit into the pod... |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.08.20 17:43:00 -
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The female thin model looks dangerously underweight but that's probably another discussion. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
380
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:30:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:The female thin model looks dangerously underweight but that's probably another discussion.
Why wouldn't a "thin" model look underweight?
Just as a "fat" model would look overweight, it makes sense.
Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:32:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Isabel Midnight wrote:The female thin model looks dangerously underweight but that's probably another discussion. Why wouldn't a "thin" model look underweight? Just as a "fat" model would look overweight, it makes sense.
The fat model does not actually look overweight in any way and the thin one is thin to the point of danger. |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
183
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:32:00 -
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well in space in a pod ur hardly exercising so u will loose muscle mass... if uve ever broken a limb ull know what i mean... especially a leg, and after u get the cast removed! its kinda frightening! |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
380
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Posted - 2012.08.20 18:46:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Isabel Midnight wrote:The female thin model looks dangerously underweight but that's probably another discussion. Why wouldn't a "thin" model look underweight? Just as a "fat" model would look overweight, it makes sense. The fat model does not actually look overweight in any way and the thin one is thin to the point of danger.
Then that is a fault of the overweight model, not the thin one.
Thin is synonymous with underweight.
Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
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Selaya Ataru
Pink Kitten Kommando
To The Moon
10
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:02:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:i dont think you understand collision detection or programming.
I like your Idea and I would like to see all gender/race restrictions removed from clothing but you'll have to face it: Incarna isnt a priority right now and wont be a priority anytime soon.
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Dersen Lowery
Knavery Inc.
StructureDamage
68
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:09:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:i dont think you understand collision detection or programming.
Your actual complaint is that CCP doesn't understand collision detection or programming, because that's the precise reason they gave when asked why all capsuleer avatars were the same height.
I'm sorry it's not satisfactory. |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:35:00 -
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Make women taller then 5'8 woman is not unusual at all |
Sinister Zed
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:50:00 -
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Please sorry i got it wrong.
I mailed Isobella:-
hello Ms. Midnight,
i have to say a very big thank you for bringing the matter of appropriate clothing and footwear up on the forums because this game is sometimes rather silly and we shouldn't have to endure real predjudice here as well as in real life should we? I really appreciate your taking the time to make a wonderfully witty post about the ridiculous lengths some people go to when playing Eve and how they cannot separate real life from their science-fiction internet computer spaceship games.
As a result of your post you have inspired me to write a forum post complaining about the lack of respect shown to corpses in general and asking that basic wooden coffins be provided in the first instance. I will canvas players and CCP to see if we might not amend this state of affairs. Hopefully we might add plastic, biodegradeable and high-quality hardwood and brass coffins at a later date as optional extras, or indeed faction coffins with heavy plating (Amarr), Shields (Caldari), duct-tape (Minmatar) and hull-upgrades (Gallente).
Thank you again for making me laugh! that's freakin hilarious! Comfortable shoes! you fooking card you! Oh man that's priceless.
Thank you so much!
Yours in Eternity,
Sinister Zed (no, i died and came back)
More to follow...
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Sinister Zed
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:52:00 -
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I got confused because Isobella replied:-
From: Isabel Midnight
Sent: 2012.08.19 11:57
To: Sinister Zed,
wtf if wrong with you
??? |
Sinister Zed
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:53:00 -
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so i mailed again because I wanted to clarify, here's my mail to her:-
Hello again Ms. Midnight,
I really love your sense of humor! since reading your forums posts again i realise you are right.
Its really not fair that CCP have only released some lame clothes in the NOBLE echange store, they really need to pay attention to what people think and you're right - the small range is not appropriate. Especially when you consider the kinds of prejudice we have to put up with. I only have to mention i collect corpses in local and people start getting all stereotypical and accusing me of necrofilia.
I do agree that they need to add more to the NOBLE store clothing range, and as you rightly mention, the fact they are forcing women into conventional sexual stereotypes is surprising. I think, as this is a science-fiction internet computer spaceship game there really has to be some acknowledgement that this is not real-life and they should do something to rectify the poor selection of clothing wihch forces females into conventional roles.
I will be canvassing fellow players and CCP to see if people think we might reasonably add a range of
summer-wear to the store. It would definitely improve in-game realism to include a range of appropriately skimpy Brazlian style whale-tail bikinis and mankini equivalents (for male characters), or one-piece Victorian striped bathing suits with caps for the more modest amongst us.
I was also thinking that CCP should consider further extending the range of clothing for females beyond that however, i would like to see a patent-leather gimp-suit, leather bondage harness, nipple-tassles, thigh-high red leather boots with six-inch heels and cat-masks. Male characters should be allowed these of course, in the spirit of equality. Mind you, we then need to consider the religious (in all fairness, and to improve realism) and a Hijab, Turban, Zucchetto and Papal Mitre might be added? You might, as a female character, be interested in a Hijab instead of the leather bondage waist-coat you have clothed your toon in, to ensure you don't inadvertently follow blindly conventional sexual steroetypes.
As i mentioned in my earlier mail to you, do you think the ideas I had for coffins could be usefully implemented? Since re-reading your post i have thought it might also be nice to introduce, specifically for corpse collectors like myself, a range of shrouds and post-mortem make-up,? Please let me know if you approve of my ideas.
Thank you again for making me laugh. Comfortable shoes! that's priceless.
Thank you so much!
Yours in Eternity,
Sinister Zed
ps if you do heppen to get podded can i has your corpse? |
Sinister Zed
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:54:00 -
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but i am really confused now because she said:-
From: Isabel Midnight
Sent: 2012.08.20 19:39
To: Sinister Zed,
stop posting |
Sinister Zed
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 19:55:00 -
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so of course i had to mail to clarify because:-
Oh Ms. Midnight.
I have just received your most recent mail. Am i to assume tha in fact in the origibal forum post you were not actually joking? Or you do want people to ask for a wider vareity of clothing? I am confused now, could you please make clear which it is?
Thanks,
Zed
I really not sure she's serious about all men being dumb-ass? |
Dersen Lowery
Knavery Inc.
StructureDamage
68
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Posted - 2012.08.20 20:08:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Make women taller then 5'8 woman is not unusual at all
My family has many of them. And there are many men taller than 5'8" as well. Only CCP can answer your objection, since you insult and abuse anyone who tries to share with you why CCP made everyone the same size.
Good luck. |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.08.20 20:10:00 -
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Sinister zed you are a weird individual |
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Tomytronic
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2012.08.20 20:50:00 -
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This whole thread is weird. |
Kingston Black
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
36
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Posted - 2012.08.20 22:16:00 -
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yup i find the lack of player clothing and the lack of height variation deeply disturbing and sexist.
Please fix this soon ccp I want to be 12m tall and have high heels many thanks
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Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
The Omega Industries
255
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Posted - 2012.08.21 06:23:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:
Typical dimissive bullshit that I've come to expect from male 'gamers'. The people who are making jokes about men in skirts are being transphobic , flat out , that isn't even a discussion its the definition of transphobia.
Misogyny certainly does not require 'intent'. Saying 'oh I'm sorry I didin't MEAN to be a sexist piece of ****' doesn't mean **** to anyone who is a victim of this ****.
The fact women are forced into high heels right at the start of the game is repulsive and offensive. I don't care if it was an accident it still needs to be fixed.
I find your anger offensive. You've made me cry a little. I also wish you'd stop refering to me as misogynistic. You should look it up and see if you can understand the definition.
Isabel Midnight wrote: Intent is not magic! If you accidentally step on someone's toe and hurt their foot, you say sorry, because you hurt their foot. It doesn't matter if you didn't intend to! Their foot still hurts!
Unless they spit venom and swear at me repeatedly in which case I laugh at them and do it again.
Isabel Midnight wrote:
i dont think you understand collision detection or programming.
Lol. And you're a programmer are you?
Isabel Midnight wrote:The female thin model looks dangerously underweight but that's probably another discussion.
I guess that might be the case by contrast if you're a fat heffer. They don't look dangerously underweight to me but then I've got a good figure. |
orashnic
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Monkeys with Guns.
0
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Posted - 2012.08.21 09:25:00 -
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Internet spaceships is serious business.
End of story. Good idea, clothes can wait. |
Sardek Nardan
Khanid Constructions
2
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Posted - 2012.08.21 10:36:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:The female thin model looks dangerously underweight but that's probably another discussion.
They look like average continental europe teenage/early twenty. I do not know where you come from, but they look quite normal. Some characters are asians, so you need them to be thin as well.
For the overweight stuff:
1 - it is kind of ugly
2 - it won't fit into a pod
3 - you have to make a special set of animation (a healthy man or woman, does not walk and move the same way as an overweight one)
4 - overweight is considered a decease in some European countries and well you do not want to promote unhealthy life stile, do you? |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.08.21 10:45:00 -
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Being anorexic is far more serious than being mildly overweight, especially in the short term.
For the record yes I am a programmer , python too even , I would link you my git-hub portfolio but I don't want Google to associate it with this cesspool of nerds.
Oh for Tchulen , once you've been stood on so many times you tend to get angry when people keep doing it and claiming innocence. You should try it but coming from your position of intense privilege doubt that you could even conceive of the problems for those without it in modern society. |
Mara Rinn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
1784
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Posted - 2012.08.21 11:16:00 -
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Most of the women I know who wear heels, wear them to impress other women. Their clothing, hair style, shoes and accessories are chosen to impress with style, taste, and expense. They're certainly not interested in the opinions of the men they work with. It's about looking "smart" or "sharp", not "hot".
But I would prefer to be able to wear sandals, rather than heels.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
1079
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Posted - 2012.08.21 11:21:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Roime wrote:Did you know that high heels may improve the tone of a woman's pelvic floor, thus affecting female incontinence?
Did you know bullets to the brain may improve a man's ED? See I can make random statements without proof too.
I know you can, but I don't. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7225828.stm
http://www.medicina.univr.it/fol/main?ent=persona&id=3132
As what comes to the topic, I agree with the OP, no matter how bonkers she appears, and no matter how acutely irrelevant a detail like this is in the context of the current non-existent avatar gameplay.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2012.08.21 12:21:00 -
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I think female characters shouldnt be allowed to wear clothes at all.
Harsh universe etc.
Ferengi style ya know |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction
The Unforgiven Alliance
174
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Posted - 2012.08.21 12:38:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Being anorexic is far more serious than being mildly overweight, especially in the short term.
For the record yes I am a programmer , python too even , I would link you my git-hub portfolio but I don't want Google to associate it with this cesspool of nerds.
Oh for Tchulen , once you've been stood on so many times you tend to get angry when people keep doing it and claiming innocence. You should try it but coming from your position of intense privilege doubt that you could even conceive of the problems for those without it in modern society.
No one cares about your program/code. You're a feminist. Now go make me a sandwich in dem heels. |
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