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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2301
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Posted - 2012.08.30 01:33:00 -
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I put my misogyny on hold for a bit and made my wife an awesome turkey on rye.
Is that better? The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
262
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Posted - 2012.08.30 02:47:00 -
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Roime wrote:Did you know that high heels may improve the tone of a woman's pelvic floor, thus affecting female incontinence?
I understand they also cause back problems on par with lifting heavy loads all day, every day. ..or so I've been told by various reputable to near reputable scientific and medical references anyway.
High heels were designed by a man; they lift the buttocks to present a pretty posterior apparently. While doing so, they put pressure on the mid-to-lower back and cause the spine to curve inwards unnaturally in the lumbar region. Eventually, this causes deformation of the spine, but early on it has the effect of causing back pain resulting from the stress and muscle tension in that region.
I made most of that up, but it's probably fairly accurate if a little uneducated. Long story short, it causes problems. It's sort of like maintaining poor posture; only, in this case, I suppose it would be maintaining poor posterior.
Anyway, yeah, I understand why women might not appreciate the sentiment given the sole purpose is marketing/modeling to/for a very specific audience. Women really do look fine without them. Quite fine in some cases.
Bit of hedonism there. Bwahahaa.
..on my part or yours I wonder? Both maybe. I have deleted and cleared my signature 7 times and it still won't go away. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
70
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Posted - 2012.08.30 03:12:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I put my misogyny on hold for a bit and made my wife an awesome turkey on rye.
Is that better? Can you make me a sandwich also? But no mayo i prefer mustard. |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
90
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Posted - 2012.08.30 04:08:00 -
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I want dress less because thats what i do in real life to walking naked female and male ofcourse |
Hedonism-bot
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.30 07:12:00 -
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I am just glad that flats are not the norm, or I would have to start a thread about how CCP is being misogynistic towards women for not allowing heels. Personally, I am unable to operate without heels. |
Juniorama
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.08.30 07:21:00 -
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[quote=Nikk Narrel]my deep dark secret... peanut butter on white bread.quote]
We call that a choke sandwich, well... because... when you try to eat it to fast it makes you choke.
Not one of my favorite sandwiches, but I had a lot of in college is the wish sandwich. It is just two pieces of white bread. As you are eating it you say "Oooh, I wish there was something in this sandwich." |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2302
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Posted - 2012.08.30 15:05:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:High heels were designed by a man; The origins of high heels are lost in history. They go back about as far as civilization.
Mars Theran wrote: they lift the buttocks to present a pretty posterior apparently. Previous speculation on the purpose of high heels includes things such as making it harder to walk gracefully, thus making women LESS attractive, thus less likely to be unfaithful. Completely the opposite intention...but of course it's all the fault of those bad oppressive men... ...who also wore high heels for centuries in much of Europe.
What strikes me about all of this is that there seems to be no history of women being forced to do many of the things they blame men for. In fact, a lot of these things probably started with a woman doing something for the purpose of attracting men and then the rest of the women following suit in order to remain competitive. Or maybe it was adopted by the aristocratic women so that they'd stand above the "common" people, and of course when the rich and powerful do something the rest of the populace will ultimately attempt to imitate it.
It's all a cosmetic arms race driven by women, NOT by domineering men. Although I must confess to enjoying the show.
The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
520
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Posted - 2012.08.30 15:18:00 -
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Frankly I am not seeing the misogyny here.
Both genders are equally represented to perceived ideals.
Do you blame a mirror for reflecting an image you present to it?
If not, then you may wish to reconsider your wrath towards what is accepted as a wholly superficial aspect of the game. It simply reflects what is popular in the society it was designed in.
If you do blame mirrors, well then... it says a lot about the person reflected in it, wouldn't you say? Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Charles Baker
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
252
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:22:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Every single boot or shoe in NEX or available through the character creation thing has a massive heel on it. It's a joke and insanely misogynistic to have not even considered this massive oversight. I hate wearing high heels in real life as they are painful and extremely awkward to walk in and mostly only for pleasing dumb ass men.
CCP art team needs to pull their head out their ass and introduce some non high heels for female characters to wear. I'm supposed to be a spaceship captain. I need actual practical shoes. Male character's get them.
You could also fix this by removing the 'gender' requirement on clothing but I guess that's another post.
STOP FORCING WOMEN TO WEAR HIGH HEELS IN VIDEO GAMES
For anyone who is unclear this isn't a joke post or a troll. I legitimately think a game that offers character customization that forces me to wear high heels in 2012 is disgusting.
LET ME WEAR THEM INSTEAD! |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.08.30 17:28:00 -
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High heels are not an ideal and as bad as corsets or practices like feet binding |
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Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
520
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Posted - 2012.08.30 17:48:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:High heels are not an ideal and as bad as corsets or practices like feet binding This is a straw man argument. These three 'fashion' practices have no direct connection to each other beyond coincidence.
Both corsets and feet binding are extreme examples resulting often in degrees of self inflicted mutilation. It must also be noted that to the societies involved there was pressure to fit in by performing these acts. As human beings have a highly adaptable nature, often the women involved were oblivious to any sense of degradation. After all, everyone must bear a burden in their world, and if fashion practices such as these were the worst things in their lives, finding those who genuinely suffered far worse things was not a difficult task at all.
Now, if it could be shown that these women never had to actually endure any of these, they would have no true complaint. Imagine, if they simply allowed a painting of themselves to endure this "suffering" in their place?
The painting of Dorian Gray as a comely maid in high heels instead... oh wait, that IS what we have now.... Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2302
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Posted - 2012.08.30 18:07:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:High heels are not an ideal and as bad as corsets or practices like feet binding I won't agree that they're "as bad", but I certainly agree that they trade well-being for vanity. I don't think anyone has argued otherwise here.
My problem is that you're blaming men for the consensual fashion choices made by women. I get that you don't like high heels and would rather not see them in the game, but rather than pitching a fit about how evil men are, why don't you calmly suggest that CCP add the OPTION to wear other types of shoes in future incarna expansion? The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
The Lobsters
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.08.30 18:19:00 -
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I too would like a high heal option for male toons.
Not that I like cross-dressing in RL. I just I find the thought of a 7 foot, bald, middle aged, one eyed Amarrian wearing lipstick, cheap perfume and diamant+¬ earrings, in a flame red lam+¬ cocktail dress and size 12 slingbacks rather unsettling. That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested his claim. |
PinkKnife
Noir. Academy Noir. Mercenary Group
203
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Posted - 2012.08.30 18:43:00 -
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I think avatars need more variety on a whole in terms of apparel. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
521
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Posted - 2012.08.30 21:41:00 -
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The Lobsters wrote:I too would like a high heal option for male toons.
Not that I like cross-dressing in RL. I just I find the thought of a 7 foot, bald, middle aged, one eyed Amarrian wearing lipstick, cheap perfume and diamant+¬ earrings, in a flame red lam+¬ cocktail dress and size 12 slingbacks rather unsettling. I believe I speak for many, when I say that you would not be alone considering this image to be unsettling.... Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
78
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Posted - 2012.08.30 21:47:00 -
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The Lobsters wrote:I too would like a high heal option for male toons.
Not that I like cross-dressing in RL. I just I find the thought of a 7 foot, bald, middle aged, one eyed Amarrian wearing lipstick, cheap perfume and diamant+¬ earrings, in a flame red lam+¬ cocktail dress and size 12 slingbacks rather unsettling.
Oh now we have gotten to the heart of the issue!
You only want to troll with outrageous appearance of your char (and Ravens in pink livery with flowers on it are in this category too).
No thanks! That plagues almost every MMO on the market except Eve, outrageous characters, or costumes/equipment, furry midgets etc. Eve is one of the few MMOs with a serious take on the fantasy/sci-fi subject. |
The Lobsters
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.08.30 22:26:00 -
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Nestara Aldent wrote:The Lobsters wrote:I too would like a high heal option for male toons.
Not that I like cross-dressing in RL. I just I find the thought of a 7 foot, bald, middle aged, one eyed Amarrian wearing lipstick, cheap perfume and diamant+¬ earrings, in a flame red lam+¬ cocktail dress and size 12 slingbacks rather unsettling. Oh now we have gotten to the heart of the issue! You only want to troll with outrageous appearance of your char (and Ravens in pink livery with flowers on it are in this category too). No thanks! That plagues almost every MMO on the market except Eve, outrageous characters, or costumes/equipment, furry midgets etc. Eve is one of the few MMOs with a serious take on the fantasy/sci-fi subject.
TROLL??? How dare you Sir/Madam.
As it happens I rather enjoyed making a toon that is an old, ugly and battered with a warped sense of self. Rather like the fictional characters I named him after. Crossdressing would add a touch of verisimilitude.
Call me an Amarr Roleplayer if you want, but not a troll. That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested his claim. |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
232
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Posted - 2012.08.31 03:07:00 -
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High heels are just gross. Why in the hell would anyone ever wear them except on the off chance that they want to be hugely inconvenienced? Whenever I see people wearing them I can't help but think to myself, "Wow, you're dumb." It's kind of like girls who wear short skirts on freezing cold days and then complain about the cold. I'm not one for violence, but god damn if some people don't need to be slapped. I realize it has to do with some strange notion of "sex appeal," but stupidity is not sexy.
Long story short, I too found it disappointing that all the females in this game were forced into high heels. Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:44:00 -
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bump |
Faith Audene
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:51:00 -
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In a scifi world where capsulers are either in their capsules or in the captains quarters, but never physically meeting another person, why on earth would somebody wear high heels?
or any shoes?
or any clothes at all? |
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2307
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:56:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:bump Why? Do you think it will serve any purpose to call further attention to this thread? You're asking for the female model to be modified and all its footwear be redesigned. That's a significant amount of artwork for a feature that is currently essentially single player. Regardless of how offensive a few players find it, it's a tremendous waste of time when you consider they might spend it working on in-space content where actual gameplay happens.
Lose the chip on your shoulder and raise this issue as a lack of options when CCP starts talking about expanding walk in station. You'll have a chance at actually getting results doing it that. way. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
525
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:08:00 -
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Quite honestly, I find the notion that we all look like 21st century humans to be rather disturbing.
Are we so egocentric that we really believe we are perfect?
Seriously, we can change bodies on a daily basis, yet we apparently limit ourselves to this narrow range of appearances.
Forget shoes.... why can't I have blue skin, or cat ears? Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:02:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Isabel Midnight wrote:bump Why? Do you think it will serve any purpose to call further attention to this thread? You're asking for the female model to be modified and all its footwear be redesigned. That's a significant amount of artwork for a feature that is currently essentially single player. Regardless of how offensive a few players find it, it's a tremendous waste of time when you consider they might spend it working on in-space content where actual gameplay happens. Lose the chip on your shoulder and raise this issue as a lack of options when CCP starts talking about expanding walk in station. You'll have a chance at actually getting results doing it that. way.
gonna keep bumping till it's fixed |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2307
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:31:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:gonna keep bumping till it's fixed I highly doubt you have the resolve to bump this for the length of time it will take for CCP to make what amounts to a minor cosmetic change that's only apparent if you're looking for it. They have a game to balance and ships to make pretty. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
861
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Posted - 2012.08.31 20:26:00 -
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Why is this thread still alive? This is a detail issue. Hell... it's not even a real "issue"... more of a "personal preference" that can be easily gotten around by never using the Captain's Quarters. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.08.31 21:47:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:edit: Quote:I think 99% of the commentors here would benefit massively from reading a feminism 101 Feminism "died" when women admitted that they enjoyed sex too and did equally outrageous things to get laid.
hahahaha look how amazingly stupid you are |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
527
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Posted - 2012.08.31 22:05:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:edit: Quote:I think 99% of the commentors here would benefit massively from reading a feminism 101 Feminism "died" when women admitted that they enjoyed sex too and did equally outrageous things to get laid. hahahaha look how amazingly stupid you are I think your logic is being challenged.
This suggests either:
A> Not all women enjoy sex, and for the OP this means feminism is not dead.
B> Enjoying sex and feminism go well together. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.09.01 01:11:00 -
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Enjoying sex and feminism go very well together. Saying feminism is dead because women enjoy sex is just bizzare. |
Marelda Ambramotte
The Sigma Society Nobilium Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.09.01 01:20:00 -
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I think that science fiction clothes should be added to the clothing options. All the DUST 514 characters will have like armor and helmets and stuff, why cannot the players of New Eden? Makes sense that we get the option right?
Stuff like gas masks, jumpsuits, and armor would be awesome in my opinion.
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Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
264
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Posted - 2012.09.01 04:09:00 -
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Somebody is a little over sensitive I think. Really surprised this made 8 pages, and I'm seeing a lot of Mysoginistic and transphopia statements here.
Really, when I see a lot of that kind of thing, I generally think one of two things: Either the heavily protesting injured party, (really?), is a phony troll, (meaning you're really a guy), or they're completely..
To put it bluntly, in the real world this sort of thing is about attention. Special attention. It's about one group or other getting special benefits nobody else is entitled to so they can feel special.
Maybe it used to be different, and there was a time and place for Womens liberation, anti-slavery sentiment, and all the rest, but that time is mostly past in most areas of the so called civilized world.
In other words, it's just a doll; it can't suffer indignity because it doesn't think or feel. The only impression of offense is from the perspective of a oversensitive person who is offended by nothing more than the artisitic choice of another with regard to that doll.
Do you really feel that it is appropriate to be offended by theatre dress? That's what it is you know, assuming you're not a guy. I have deleted and cleared my signature 7 times and it still won't go away. |
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