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Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
498
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:34:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:womens divine purpose : be sexually arousing for men
cool bro You think to mock my words, yet you near mock yourself in so trying.
These men of the dude tribe you spoke so much about, who by your responses are clearly beneath your notice. I counsel you to forget them. I say you waste too many of your divine thoughts by dwelling on their unworthy notice of you.
I would advise you should rather turn your attention somewhere more deserving, such as your next conquest. Focus on this, and let the rest pass as should all such details too trivial for your notice. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.08.22 23:52:00 -
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I want to not wear heels and being forced into them is not cool regardless of how you decide I should feel about it. |
Vassal Zeren
Uncontrollable Innovations
10
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Posted - 2012.08.23 02:49:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:I want to not wear heels and being forced into them is not cool regardless of how you decide I should feel about it.
It's nice that you feal strongly about women's rights, but i suggest you take care at whom you aim your charged remarked at. For example, there are some major weirdos here but Nikk for one is hilarious! Theres a difference betwean genuine intolerance and just poking fun. Nikk is doing the latter.
Besides in the scheme of things is it important that the women in CCP's game wear heals? I noticed it too and though about it for 10 seconds, but there comes a point where you should just pick your battles, and this isnt really an important one. Thats just what some of thease punks are trying to say but they cant because articulation isnt there strong suit so they add lots of derogitory, inflamitory responses. In short your time is valuble and should not be wasted with forum posts like the one im posting. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1245
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Posted - 2012.08.23 04:28:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:I am simply amazed at the level of assumptions that is simply whizzing by here.
We are gracefully accepting as commonplace that we are immortal pilots among the stars themselves, controlling spacecraft able to be countered only by others like us.
Why would anyone think high heels were uncomfortable...?
Perhaps they DO resemble the shoes worn by the primitives of ancient Earth. I am sure many things have an appearance that suggests inspiration from before the dawn of our history in New Eden.
FACT: High heels are perfectly comfortable, as are all footwear worn by pilots for our publicity images. If you want discomfort, wake up in a med-clone on the wrong side of the galaxy from your assets.
And as for being sexist, we do not live in those caves either. Preposterous idea.
Those shoes represent the dominance of women over sexuality itself, boasting to all others that they have both the genetic enhancements as well as the divine evolution to spin men's minds in helpless circles.
Just by wearing shoes.
Fine. By all means, please do exorcise your right to diminish yourself in the eyes of your peers, and would be admirers... Take them off. This made me .
In a good way.
If only heels were painless now... |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
51
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Posted - 2012.08.23 05:31:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote: Why would anyone think high heels were uncomfortable...?
Bio-mechanics. Changing this vie gen-tech or bio-implants would decrease run performance and why would any sane capsuler decrease his performance? The fact stays: Does not make sense to have no option on this. |
Elshar Khandar
The Jolly Slavers
6
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Posted - 2012.08.23 05:53:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:I want to not wear heels and being forced into them is not cool regardless of how you decide I should feel about it.
Here's a thought: If it upsets you as much as it seems to (I'm assuming you're not just a fat guy trolling) why don't you do one of two things: 1) switch off captains quarters or 2) go play some other game as if the avatar's shoes are upsetting you this much EvE might not be the right game for you.
Regarding your comment about women being marginalised; the only women I've ever met who were marginalised are those that have decided themselves that they're marginalised. Those that don't consider themselves marginalised aren't. It's a special kind of self-pity you're wallowing in.
@Nik - Hilarious
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Elshar Khandar
The Jolly Slavers
6
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Posted - 2012.08.23 05:57:00 -
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Tenris Anis wrote:Nikk Narrel wrote: Why would anyone think high heels were uncomfortable...?
Bio-mechanics. Changing this vie gen-tech or bio-implants would decrease run performance and why would any sane capsuler decrease his performance? The fact stays: Does not make sense to have no option on this.
Sorry, how can you possibly make that claim? In fact, one could assume that if the body is modified with gen-tech or bio-implants a side effect might be an increase in run performance. I can't claim this as fact because we simply don't know. You can't either but you seem to be trying to.
The fact stays: This is how the game is. The devs have explained why this is. Whine and complain all you like. They'll change it if it's technically plausible at some point in the future and not otherwise. |
Samoth Egnoled
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
26
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Posted - 2012.08.23 06:10:00 -
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Vaal Hadren wrote:There are NO high heel options for men!
This is an outrage, STOP forcing men to wear shoes without heels.
And tinsel. There is NO tinsel or pearl necklace option for men OR women in the NEX.
CCP DISCRIMINATE AGAINST LADYBOYS!
This matriachic insanity must NOT continue. Why do only women get pony tails and breasts?!
There's an 'ism' here just waiting to be thrown around.
Give me panties not briefs!
GAH!
What he said.....
Though i do agree, it is discriminating to only put in high heels. |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
51
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Posted - 2012.08.23 06:16:00 -
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Elshar Khandar wrote:Tenris Anis wrote:Nikk Narrel wrote: Why would anyone think high heels were uncomfortable...?
Bio-mechanics. Changing this vie gen-tech or bio-implants would decrease run performance and why would any sane capsuler decrease his performance? The fact stays: Does not make sense to have no option on this. Sorry, how can you possibly make that claim? In fact, one could assume that if the body is modified with gen-tech or bio-implants a side effect might be an increase in run performance. I can't claim this as fact because we simply don't know. You can't either but you seem to be trying to.
We are not talking here about complete reshaped humans, but about people who have the same bodyshapes as we have, therefore even with the possiblity of artificial improvements they are subject to the same mechanics as we are. I can claim this because I understand bio-mechanics, you can enhance the body in other regards to compensate, but changing your legs in a way high heels do is reducing your run performance. You may still be faster than someone without this improvements though.
Anyway, I do not care much about this ingame, it does not make sense, but does not affect my enjoyment of the game at all. Spending resources for a free update of shoes is bad. CQ are mostly bad.
Though new shoes on the nex store I would buy for my female alts, *hint* *hint* there is money ccp. And don-Št make me laugh at you with monocle prices for a single pair ;-)
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Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries
262
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Posted - 2012.08.23 06:37:00 -
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Tenris Anis wrote: I can claim this because I understand bio-mechanics, you can enhance the body in other regards to compensate, but changing your legs in a way high heels do is reducing your run performance. You may still be faster than someone without this improvements though
You appear to be contradicting yourself.
Be that as it may, it's still irrelevant. We're all pod pilots. We spend most of our time inside pods inside spaceships. Why would we give a toss whether we have good run performance or not? |
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Cari Cullejen
Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Truncated Minds
11
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Posted - 2012.08.23 09:04:00 -
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I am also outraged that I have to be this muscular, smooth skinned, tight assed, hunk of a man! why are there no choices for horrible acne? why cant I have fat bulges that leak out of my pod capsule? I want my Avatar to mimic the fat ass, lazy, dirty slob that sits behind this computer and plays games all day! Also, why must all the cloths and hairstyles have to look so fashionable? If i want to be displayed in a white wing sauce and sweat stained tank top, I sure as hell should be able to! I am SO aggravated that when entering this game we are forced to "look good" CCP is obviously Cacophobic. Just look at ccp t0rfifrans with his handsome emotionless face and his stylish hairstyle-beard combo. He disgusts me... and also turns me on but that's not the point!
I Want a background picture that shows me in my goddamn mothers basement! In love with CCP Sunset |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.08.23 12:37:00 -
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Could people stop attempting to derail my thread with dumb strawman arguments please thanks. If you have a genuine issue make another thread about it. |
Dajli
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.23 13:11:00 -
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Lol, CCP just now got around to solving the whole "black" race thing by providing all the spectrum of skin tones for all races instead of just the Brutor.
On that note when are we going to get animal prints? |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries
265
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Posted - 2012.08.23 14:04:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Could people stop attempting to derail my thread with dumb strawman arguments please thanks. If you have a genuine issue make another thread about it.
What's a strawman argument? I've looked it up but still don't get the context you're using. |
Vassal Zeren
Uncontrollable Innovations
11
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Posted - 2012.08.23 15:56:00 -
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Tchulen wrote:Isabel Midnight wrote:Could people stop attempting to derail my thread with dumb strawman arguments please thanks. If you have a genuine issue make another thread about it. What's a strawman argument? I've looked it up but still don't get the context you're using.
A strawman argument is taking someone elses argument and twisting what they said into a weaker, less informative, and generally stupid statment. Then the "strawman argument" is destroyed. (hence it being made of straw) A person who creates strawman arguments, is responding not to the original statment, but to their own deliberatly misinterperted and weakened argument. |
Mary Annabelle
Moonlit Bonsai
63
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Posted - 2012.08.23 16:26:00 -
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Context is the primary consideration in things relating to EVE. Either a game aspect has gameplay effects or it doesn't.
High heel shoes have cosmetic effects, in a very specific and limited context. (Unless you can see them directly, it is not a known factor)
Your ship has no bonuses or penalties derived from your character's footwear in the publicity image. Your character's footwear is not even visible to most representations, the Captain's Quarters being one of the few exceptions.
To have an objection to this, requires us to abandon the context of EVE, and substitute instead a specific real world bias against women. Such bias is hardly a universal constant, and is not omnipresent in the real world.
It is fair to say only a very limited cross section of society would even be considered to share such a bias.
You bring up straw man arguments being knocked down by those not agreeing with you.
Was your argument truly so substantial that such a comparison even makes sense? |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.08.23 19:10:00 -
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It's not important to me therefore It can be important to anyone else! Good argument. |
Mary Annabelle
Moonlit Bonsai
63
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:30:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:It's not important to me therefore It can be important to anyone else! Good argument. No.
I did not say it was lacking importance to you. You are free to care about anything, regardless of it's significance.
But before you expect ANY of us to share your view, you do need to convince us. I would hardly expect devs to be easier to sway than your fellow players.
For the reasons I stated before, you have not made your case to me.
Considering the plain nature of the logic here, I don't see or expect anyone else to seriously agree with you either. |
Jim Era
Genco Fatal Ascension
1239
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Posted - 2012.08.23 22:39:00 -
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lol women always wanting to compete |
Isabel Midnight
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.08.23 22:57:00 -
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Mary Annabelle wrote:Isabel Midnight wrote:It's not important to me therefore It can be important to anyone else! Good argument. No. I did not say it was lacking importance to you. You are free to care about anything, regardless of it's significance. But before you expect ANY of us to share your view, you do need to convince us. I would hardly expect devs to be easier to sway than your fellow players. For the reasons I stated before, you have not made your case to me. Considering the plain nature of the logic here, I don't see or expect anyone else to seriously agree with you either.
It put's off new female players |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1246
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Posted - 2012.08.24 04:18:00 -
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Isabel Midnight wrote:Mary Annabelle wrote:Isabel Midnight wrote:It's not important to me therefore It can be important to anyone else! Good argument. No. I did not say it was lacking importance to you. You are free to care about anything, regardless of it's significance. But before you expect ANY of us to share your view, you do need to convince us. I would hardly expect devs to be easier to sway than your fellow players. For the reasons I stated before, you have not made your case to me. Considering the plain nature of the logic here, I don't see or expect anyone else to seriously agree with you either. It put's off new female players Not really.
A little annoying, but so is (or are...) the Prequel Trilogy. I still watched them... and enjoyed bits and pieces. |
Amy Xadi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.24 05:09:00 -
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That was really kind of annoying when I first made my character, but now I just pretend the combat boots just have a weird design and that they're not actually high heels. I'm mostly disappointed that the whole walking in stations feature wasn't really fleshed out. |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks The Omega Industries
268
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Posted - 2012.08.24 06:24:00 -
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@Vassal Zeren - Thanks for the explanation
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Vassal Zeren
Uncontrollable Innovations
12
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Posted - 2012.08.24 14:38:00 -
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Tchulen wrote:@Vassal Zeren - Thanks for the explanation
np
thanks for the thank you! |
Vassal Zeren
Uncontrollable Innovations
12
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Posted - 2012.08.24 14:41:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Isabel Midnight wrote:Mary Annabelle wrote:Isabel Midnight wrote:It's not important to me therefore It can be important to anyone else! Good argument. No. I did not say it was lacking importance to you. You are free to care about anything, regardless of it's significance. But before you expect ANY of us to share your view, you do need to convince us. I would hardly expect devs to be easier to sway than your fellow players. For the reasons I stated before, you have not made your case to me. Considering the plain nature of the logic here, I don't see or expect anyone else to seriously agree with you either. It put's off new female players Not really. A little annoying, but so is (or are...) the Prequel Trilogy. I still watched them... and enjoyed bits and pieces.
you've got to wonder if Lucas really made them...I guess no one said "no" to him at the studio so he put in all the random stuff he wanted. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
511
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Posted - 2012.08.24 14:44:00 -
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Vassal Zeren wrote:Tchulen wrote:@Vassal Zeren - Thanks for the explanation
np thanks for the thank you! Thank you for the general air of polite discourse, rather than the hostile smelling Vestiphobia. (Vestiphobia is the fear of clothing, shoes in this case)
A pity, she seems a lovely being otherwise... Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Megan Shazam
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.08.24 15:08:00 -
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Agree 100%. I went shopping for shoes, and could only find those high heel shoes... It did not bother me to the point of writing a post on it, but since you mentioned it, I'll support this motion :)
+1 ! |
Vassal Zeren
Uncontrollable Innovations
12
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Posted - 2012.08.24 17:05:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Vassal Zeren wrote:Tchulen wrote:@Vassal Zeren - Thanks for the explanation
np thanks for the thank you! Thank you for the general air of polite discourse, rather than the hostile smelling Vestiphobia. (Vestiphobia is the fear of clothing, shoes in this case) A pity, she seems a lovely being otherwise...
I can understand where she's coming from though. There is a lot of stereotypical stuff flying around and I suppose CCP doing it too doesn't help. But yeah I think if everyone would take a more relaxed approach in discussions like this there would be room for joking and serious debate alike. As is, everyone on the forums seems a little uptight. |
Mary Annabelle
Moonlit Bonsai
66
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Posted - 2012.08.24 17:22:00 -
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Vassal Zeren wrote:I can understand where she's coming from though. There is a lot of stereotypical stuff flying around and I suppose CCP doing it too doesn't help. But yeah I think if everyone would take a more relaxed approach in discussions like this there would be room for joking and serious debate alike. As is, everyone on the forums seems a little uptight. Stereotypes are defined by their context to society. If you remove them from their context in that society, they cease to have meaning.
CCP has not defined high heels as being sexist in this game. The presumption that this social context in our reality also exists inside the game goes too far.
You may as well say I pilot a raven in real life. Simply ridiculous to consider, although I might get through traffic faster...
This is a game.
While I might sympathize with someone else's real life associations to things, they should not be my burden or problem. It would be more appropriate for her to leave her real life baggage at the door, and focus on playing EVE instead. |
Vassal Zeren
Uncontrollable Innovations
12
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Posted - 2012.08.24 17:30:00 -
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Mary Annabelle wrote:Vassal Zeren wrote:I can understand where she's coming from though. There is a lot of stereotypical stuff flying around and I suppose CCP doing it too doesn't help. But yeah I think if everyone would take a more relaxed approach in discussions like this there would be room for joking and serious debate alike. As is, everyone on the forums seems a little uptight. Stereotypes are defined by their context to society. If you remove them from their context in that society, they cease to have meaning. CCP has not defined high heels as being sexist in this game. The presumption that this social context in our reality also exists inside the game goes too far. You may as well say I pilot a raven in real life. Simply ridiculous to consider, although I might get through traffic faster... This is a game. While I might sympathize with someone else's real life associations to things, they should not be my burden or problem. It would be more appropriate for her to leave her real life baggage at the door, and focus on playing EVE instead.
This is the kind of edgy post i was talking about. This woman is simply stating her concern about the fact that all women in the game must wear high healed shoes and you are talking as if her opinion has no merit or consequence. I'm not saying you cant voice your opinions as well (and in any case i obviously cant stop you) I'm just pointing out that there is too much condescension on the eve forums, and if people would show more respect to each other and bicker less maybe the Devs would listen more. |
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