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praznimrak
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:13:00 -
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What is the point of gate camps made of sansha npcs????
I dont get it,i m travelling whit my pvp ship true low sec,having to avoid pirates,war targets and i just discovered that all of that is peace of cake compared whit sansha gate camp.
Jumped thrue gate in small gang ,and first to decloak was a frig that got scrambeld and insta poped and after that my heavily tanked navy omen,that did survive 5 man bc gang,10 man frig and desis,was almost insta poped by THRUE POWER. Neutralized,scramed,webd and receiving insane amount of dps by NPC CAMP IN LOW SEC.
WHAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CCP.
It is not,fun,there is nothing to learn from it,gates are full of wracks of ppl that did not decide to engage in npc combat site,just traveld and got ganked by NPCS.
Remove npcs from gates,incursions are there to be engage in combat sites and not to gank ppl passing true system.
And if you insist on keeping tham on gates,make tham agres stations,POS structures,make sleepers agres ppl on wormholes,and so on.
Sanshas dont make sense on gates, especial not in numbers and power that can take BS in few sec.
FIX IT PLEASE My youtube chanell: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveOnlineGameplay |

Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
296
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:16:00 -
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Sansha is not to be trifled with, but feared. Selective Pressure [FOVRA] is now recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797934#post1797934 |

Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
884
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:18:00 -
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praznimrak wrote:,i m travelling thrue THRUE POWER webd NPC CAMP IN LOW SEC. WHAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CCP. traveld tham tham
I can feel the heat radiating off my screen as you furiously scrawled this post down. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1864
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:18:00 -
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If Sanshas are ganking your BS in a few seconds you're doing it wrong |

Maxxatan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:21:00 -
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Damn NPC griefers. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=143535 |

Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
441
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:24:00 -
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That's funny.
Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |

praznimrak
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:32:00 -
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Guy you are intersting ,but i woud like to see some more inteligent ideas My youtube chanell: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveOnlineGameplay |

Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
884
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:34:00 -
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praznimrak wrote:Guy you are intersting ,but i woud like to see some more inteligent ideas Use a scout? |

praznimrak
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:39:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:praznimrak wrote:Guy you are intersting ,but i woud like to see some more inteligent ideas Use a scout?
Scout got insta poped
My youtube chanell: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveOnlineGameplay |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
515
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:42:00 -
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Yeah, I think the incursion gatecamps are detrimental to gameplay. As I've stated in other threads, I don't think PVE elements should interfere with my ability to travel and do PVP.
Nonconsensual PVP is necessary of course for this game, but nonconsensual PVE, at least on the level of intensity that the incursion rats have, is ridiculous. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
884
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:43:00 -
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praznimrak wrote: Scout got insta poped
that would have been a clue I think. |

Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
616
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:44:00 -
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praznimrak wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:praznimrak wrote:Guy you are intersting ,but i woud like to see some more inteligent ideas Use a scout? Scout got insta poped
And when that happens you know not to use that gate. I thought it would be clear enough. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |

praznimrak
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:46:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, I think the incursion gatecamps are detrimental to gameplay. As I've stated in other threads, I don't think PVE elements should interfere with my ability to travel and do PVP.
Nonconsensual PVP is necessary of course for this game, but nonconsensual PVE, at least on the level of intensity that the incursion rats have, is ridiculous.
That is my point.Low sec is all ready gate camp intensive,but at least one can fight vs other players,but True power gate camp is insane,just got vaporized.
I dont see any real sense to this gate camps.
CCp should remove them from gates,and keep them in combat sites My youtube chanell: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveOnlineGameplay |

Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
884
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:49:00 -
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Incursion gave a player negative emotions. Working as intended. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4385
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:56:00 -
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they should add those camps to the hisec incursion systems
you know, for balance "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
386
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Posted - 2012.08.19 00:56:00 -
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incursions suck, always suck and will continue to suck.
yey for forgettable content that reminds us now and then by popping up and killing your **** http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |

Lord Arakkis
Vestige of Vehemence Dragon Swarm Dynasty
35
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Posted - 2012.08.19 01:07:00 -
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I was under the impression through my reading on incursions that Sansha were made to behave as much like a real player as possible.
It seems they have succeeded on that front. Join the Knights Of Illusion STE Corporation! Casual and Hardcore gamers! |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
515
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Posted - 2012.08.19 01:08:00 -
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Maybe so, but if that's the case then I don't agree with the design intent. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
997
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Posted - 2012.08.19 01:09:00 -
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praznimrak wrote:What is the point of gate camps made of sansha npcs????
I dont get it,i m travelling whit my pvp ship true low sec,having to avoid pirates,war targets and i just discovered that all of that is peace of cake compared whit sansha gate camp.
Jumped thrue gate in small gang ,and first to decloak was a frig that got scrambeld and insta poped and after that my heavily tanked navy omen,that did survive 5 man bc gang,10 man frig and desis,was almost insta poped by THRUE POWER. Neutralized,scramed,webd and receiving insane amount of dps by NPC CAMP IN LOW SEC.
WHAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CCP.
It is not,fun,there is nothing to learn from it,gates are full of wracks of ppl that did not decide to engage in npc combat site,just traveld and got ganked by NPCS.
Remove npcs from gates,incursions are there to be engage in combat sites and not to gank ppl passing true system.
And if you insist on keeping tham on gates,make tham agres stations,POS structures,make sleepers agres ppl on wormholes,and so on.
Sanshas dont make sense on gates, especial not in numbers and power that can take BS in few sec.
FIX IT PLEASE
You say in this very thread that your scout got instapopped, why would you follow through with the rest of your fleet
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Gun Gal
Dark Club
87
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Posted - 2012.08.19 01:13:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Maybe so, but if that's the case then I don't agree with the design intent.
maybe if you learned to play eve you would not be so upset?
lets see, jump scout in, scout gets insta popped.
did you check log of scout? did you see it was sansha? did you notice they do heavy em and therm damage?
did you doa quick refit to get resists up above 80% before jumping in?
do you ever check incursion hotspots to see if your close to one, especially in lowsec?
you didnt do any of these, hence you dying less than spectacularily,
hate to say it but, man L2P, lowsec is rife with outlaws, both human and npc. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
515
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Posted - 2012.08.19 01:19:00 -
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Gun Gal wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Maybe so, but if that's the case then I don't agree with the design intent. maybe if you learned to play eve you would not be so upset? lets see, jump scout in, scout gets insta popped. did you check log of scout? did you see it was sansha? did you notice they do heavy em and therm damage? did you doa quick refit to get resists up above 80% before jumping in? do you ever check incursion hotspots to see if your close to one, especially in lowsec? you didnt do any of these, hence you dying less than spectacularily, hate to say it but, man L2P, lowsec is rife with outlaws, both human and npc. You seem to think OP and I are the same person.
Also, incursion rats do omni damage. So I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
423
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Posted - 2012.08.19 01:20:00 -
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Man dies to NPCs, posts rage tears.
What is this? 2006?
Nothing to fix here. ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |

Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
885
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Posted - 2012.08.19 01:23:00 -
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Out of view an incursion Dev indulges in voyeurism. |

Joe Hinken
Cetan Consortium
25
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Posted - 2012.08.19 01:32:00 -
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Wow, this thread answered something I've always had in the back of my head.
Not too long after I first started playing, I took an untanked Badger into lowsec to do a courier contract. My Badger was destroyed at a gate, and looking at the combat log with the friend who got me into EvE to figure out what happened, we saw I was killed by True Power. It had always confused me because he told me "nah, rats don't gatecamp".
Apparently, rats camp gates.
Brick Royl > bad timing the isk is deflating fatser then a baloon in a cactus shop |

praznimrak
Level Up
21
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Posted - 2012.08.19 01:38:00 -
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Gun Gal wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Maybe so, but if that's the case then I don't agree with the design intent. maybe if you learned to play eve you would not be so upset? lets see, jump scout in, scout gets insta popped. did you check log of scout? did you see it was sansha? did you notice they do heavy em and therm damage? did you doa quick refit to get resists up above 80% before jumping in? do you ever check incursion hotspots to see if your close to one, especially in lowsec? you didnt do any of these, hence you dying less than spectacularily, hate to say it but, man L2P, lowsec is rife with outlaws, both human and npc.
This game is full of experts like you. Mr expert it is fine for you that a scout got poped by insta locking,huge dps,incredibel range web npc on a stargate????
it did not hapend to you or any other WISE GIVINGOPPINION MTF in this post,So STFU .
Seems all the fails of RL did become experts in football,cars,politics and now EVE too.
My youtube chanell: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveOnlineGameplay |

praznimrak
Level Up
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Posted - 2012.08.19 01:42:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Man dies to NPCs, posts rage tears.
What is this? 2006?
Nothing to fix here.
Where do you guys come out from?? Moar tiers, nothing to see here move on,work as intended and so on...are you some kind of boot writend down to fill the forums whit stupid comments,or you reali dont have nothing better to do in your life except write crap ???
Like oh i just sad"Moar tiers" so im on another forum post,must be looking cool. My youtube chanell: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveOnlineGameplay |

Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
885
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Posted - 2012.08.19 01:47:00 -
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praznimrak wrote:This game is full of experts like you. Mr expert it is fine for you that a scout got poped by insta locking,huge dps,incredibel range web npc on a stargate????
it did not hapend to you or any other WISE GIVINGOPPINION MTF in this post,So STFU .
Seems all the fails of RL did become experts in football,cars,politics and now EVE too.
Since you ignorantly walked into a trap outgunned. You were blessed with the brilliance of knowledge that iridescently shattered the void of space.
What did you take away from this experience?
Nothing.
Adapt or whine. The true motto of a capsuleer. |

Gun Gal
Dark Club
88
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Posted - 2012.08.19 01:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Gun Gal wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Maybe so, but if that's the case then I don't agree with the design intent. maybe if you learned to play eve you would not be so upset? lets see, jump scout in, scout gets insta popped. did you check log of scout? did you see it was sansha? did you notice they do heavy em and therm damage? did you doa quick refit to get resists up above 80% before jumping in? do you ever check incursion hotspots to see if your close to one, especially in lowsec? you didnt do any of these, hence you dying less than spectacularily, hate to say it but, man L2P, lowsec is rife with outlaws, both human and npc. You seem to think OP and I are the same person. Also, incursion rats do omni damage. So I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here.
bleh, your exactly right, i might add though, if anyone out there is a rum drinker, bacardi anejo rum is like water from heaven, and i shant post again till im sober  |

Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1435
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Posted - 2012.08.19 02:00:00 -
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Actually, it'll make less sense if sansha forces don't camp the gates imo, seeing they're there to invade/disturb the space and all and gates are places where people comes in and out. If I were to invade a certain spot, I'd be sure to watch the gate for people coming in and out, just sayin. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1699
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Posted - 2012.08.19 02:01:00 -
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praznimrak wrote:What is the point of gate camps made of sansha npcs????
I dont get it,i m travelling whit my pvp ship true low sec,having to avoid pirates,war targets and i just discovered that all of that is peace of cake compared whit sansha gate camp.
Jumped thrue gate in small gang ,and first to decloak was a frig that got scrambeld and insta poped and after that my heavily tanked navy omen,that did survive 5 man bc gang,10 man frig and desis,was almost insta poped by THRUE POWER. Neutralized,scramed,webd and receiving insane amount of dps by NPC CAMP IN LOW SEC.
WHAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CCP.
It is not,fun,there is nothing to learn from it,gates are full of wracks of ppl that did not decide to engage in npc combat site,just traveld and got ganked by NPCS.
Remove npcs from gates,incursions are there to be engage in combat sites and not to gank ppl passing true system.
And if you insist on keeping tham on gates,make tham agres stations,POS structures,make sleepers agres ppl on wormholes,and so on.
Sanshas dont make sense on gates, especial not in numbers and power that can take BS in few sec.
FIX IT PLEASE
Wait a minute, a PVPer having PVE forced on him, and he's crying in the forums about it?
C'mon. This can't be real.
Though I can believe that Sansha can hit that hard. Many a lvl 4 mission drake went down on the first day of Incursion content, usually to 2 or 3 hits.
(Got the logs to prove it ) |

The D1ngo
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2012.08.19 03:19:00 -
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praznimrak wrote:What is the point of gate camps made of sansha npcs????
I dont get it,i m travelling whit my pvp ship true low sec,having to avoid pirates,war targets and i just discovered that all of that is peace of cake compared whit sansha gate camp.
Jumped thrue gate in small gang ,and first to decloak was a frig that got scrambeld and insta poped and after that my heavily tanked navy omen,that did survive 5 man bc gang,10 man frig and desis,was almost insta poped by THRUE POWER. Neutralized,scramed,webd and receiving insane amount of dps by NPC CAMP IN LOW SEC.
WHAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CCP.
It is not,fun,there is nothing to learn from it,gates are full of wracks of ppl that did not decide to engage in npc combat site,just traveld and got ganked by NPCS.
Remove npcs from gates,incursions are there to be engage in combat sites and not to gank ppl passing true system.
And if you insist on keeping tham on gates,make tham agres stations,POS structures,make sleepers agres ppl on wormholes,and so on.
Sanshas dont make sense on gates, especial not in numbers and power that can take BS in few sec.
FIX IT PLEASE
I always wanted to post in a tearful "PvPer got ganked by NPC's" thread, I just never thought anyone would ever own up to that kind of indignity. I mean the shame this guy must have overcome just to type it out... Imma give him a fake +1 cuz he made me empathize with him.
Dry your eyes PvPBear it's going to be Ok.
I am going to unsubscribe all 11 of my accounts now. I have seen it all...
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
279
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Posted - 2012.08.19 03:26:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Nonconsensual PVP is necessary of course for this game, but nonconsensual PVE, at least on the level of intensity that the incursion rats have, is ridiculous.
Now I've heard it all NULL seccers complaining about non-consensual PvE  =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |

Russell Casey
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
185
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Posted - 2012.08.19 03:28:00 -
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It's totally unfair, PvP'ers having PvE forced on them like this----and WHY DIDN'T THOSE RATS SHOW UP IN LOCAL?!?!?! |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
515
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Posted - 2012.08.19 03:33:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Nonconsensual PVP is necessary of course for this game, but nonconsensual PVE, at least on the level of intensity that the incursion rats have, is ridiculous.
Now I've heard it all NULL seccers complaining about non-consensual PvE  My point is that it's frivolous computer controlled content that interferes with the main focus of the game. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Jonni Favorite
Sundown Logistics SpaceMonkey's Alliance
135
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Posted - 2012.08.19 03:49:00 -
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Poasting in a thread about hardcore pvp guy crying about getting owned by rats.. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
515
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Posted - 2012.08.19 03:56:00 -
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It's not so much that, they're easy to avoid if you're not an idiot, but it does impede movement and provide a major inconvenience. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1699
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Posted - 2012.08.19 04:05:00 -
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I am glad I saw this thread. Now I know better than to go into... wait a minute! |

Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
291
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Posted - 2012.08.19 04:18:00 -
[38] - Quote
Lowsec pvpers feeling a taste of their own medicine. *smokes cigar* |

Pinkamena Diane-Pie
Natural Talent
5
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Posted - 2012.08.19 04:29:00 -
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After having my home system ravaged by an incursion for about 2 weeks, I have grown to hate them. I think their power level is fine and they do act quite a lot like other plays in terms of intelligence. My problem with them is they are too random IMO. I've been able to get BC's through gatecamps consisting of BS/Cruisers/Frigs, but other times I can't even get a frigate through before I get insta scrammed and popped. |

Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
33
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Posted - 2012.08.19 04:41:00 -
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Jonni Favorite wrote:Poasting in a thread about hardcore pvp guy crying about getting owned by rats.. Poasting in a stealth low-sec-gate-camp-changes whine thread.
However I do agree that they should put them back in high-sec systems. When first heard that Incursion rats were going to gate camp, I was excited about it as it would bring meaningful dynamic pve content. Want to get to the Amarr trade hub? Going to have to patrol the path with people so you can get your freighters through!
I thought the video showing some freighters and orcas getting blasted on the gate was awesome.
Then probably some idiot on autopilot got blown up, lost a few bil and whined enough that CCP dumbed it down for high sec.
Meh.
|

Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
104
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Posted - 2012.08.19 04:59:00 -
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Jypsie wrote:Jonni Favorite wrote:Poasting in a thread about hardcore pvp guy crying about getting owned by rats.. Poasting in a stealth low-sec-gate-camp-changes whine thread. However I do agree that they should put them back in high-sec systems. When first heard that Incursion rats were going to gate camp, I was excited about it as it would bring meaningful dynamic pve content. Want to get to the Amarr trade hub? Going to have to patrol the path with people so you can get your freighters through! I thought the video showing some freighters and orcas getting blasted on the gate was awesome. Then probably some idiot on autopilot got blown up, lost a few bil and whined enough that CCP dumbed it down for high sec. Meh.
Lol...that would be too great.
Do major trade hubs ever get incursions?
I'm pretty new, so not 100% on incursion mechanics...but I know to avoid those systems when possible... "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |

Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
15
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Posted - 2012.08.19 07:54:00 -
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Andski wrote:they should add those camps to the hisec incursion systems
you know, for balance Oh yes, please! But for immersion rather than balance . |

Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris
126
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Posted - 2012.08.19 08:00:00 -
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Joe Hinken wrote:we saw I was killed by True Power. Do you mean "THRUE POWER"? |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10065
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Posted - 2012.08.19 08:15:00 -
[44] - Quote
Thread made me laugh. Thanks. 
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1871
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Posted - 2012.08.19 08:34:00 -
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Andski wrote:they should add those camps to the hisec incursion systems
you know, for balance
I would love it. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Cable Udan
The Tuskers
114
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Posted - 2012.08.19 08:50:00 -
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Haha, this thread gave me a good chuckle over my morning cup of tea.
Thank you, OP. And thanks to some of the other whiners in the thread too - you've made my morning!
*chortle*
http://chasingtheblueflash.blogspot.com/
My Pirate Blog |

Sturmwolke
247
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Posted - 2012.08.19 11:03:00 -
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Frankly, it's impossible for a frigate to get popped in a Sansha gatecamp .... unless the pilot for some reason, hung around lighting cigarettes in the middle of an NPC fleet. I guess they've never met these Sanshas before :D
Pilot : Coast clear. Just a few NPCs. NPC Sansha : bzzt ztt bbzzztt ... Pilot : Decloaking .... NPC Sansha : Well lookee here .... get em boys! Pilot : Brb .. smoke break *POOF* Pilot : Wtf happened!
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Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
425
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Posted - 2012.08.19 11:14:00 -
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praznimrak wrote:Spurty wrote:Man dies to NPCs, posts rage tears.
What is this? 2006?
Nothing to fix here. Where do you guys come out from?? Moar tiers, nothing to see here move on,work as intended and so on...are you some kind of boot writend down to fill the forums whit stupid comments,or you reali dont have nothing better to do in your life except write crap ??? Like oh i just sad"Moar tiers" so im on another forum post,must be looking cool.
I come from THE PAST!
I bare you great news
You died to an NPC and rage posted
All this has happened before
All this will happen some more
Stop dying to Npcs ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |

MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance
84
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Posted - 2012.08.19 11:23:00 -
[49] - Quote
I've previously lost a Viator to lowsec Incursion gate rats. You could say I was surprised to be instalocked by a rat like it was a sebo'd interceptor 
In other words, unlucky. "Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom." |

Generals4
1024
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Posted - 2012.08.19 11:37:00 -
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That's weird i passed through a sansha gatecamp in hookbill unharmed.
Anyway, i don't see the problem with the mechanics except maybe the gatecamps should also be there in high sec. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |

Commander Lurch
One Horse Trading
4
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Posted - 2012.08.19 11:40:00 -
[51] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:It's not so much that, they're easy to avoid if you're not an idiot, but it does impede movement and provide a major inconvenience. This has to be the lamest excuse for changing game mechanics that I have seen in the forums.
As for introducing this to hi-sec, oh yes please, firstly it would make life interesting again in Hi-sec, and can you imagine the tears. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
586
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Posted - 2012.08.19 11:47:00 -
[52] - Quote
praznimrak wrote:What is the point of gate camps made of sansha npcs????
The purpose is to make you cry the tears you just did. I'm sure your post has made more than one dev lol. Yeah getting instapopped by a sansha npc before you can even align out with your frig is a pain. Welcome to EVE.
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Sergeant Nuisance
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.19 12:13:00 -
[53] - Quote
praznimrak wrote:Guy you are intersting ,but i woud like to see some more inteligent ideas
ok I am gonna play along..
be ******* grateful ccp don't have these in high sec like I want them to have. invasions should never be "safe". |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
662
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 12:16:00 -
[54] - Quote
praznimrak wrote:Guy you are intersting ,but i woud like to see some more inteligent ideas
-Open map to set your route and figure out what systems to avoid
-Dotland
-Journal tab incursions
You have tools, you just don't use them. brb |

Sheynan
Lighting the blight
43
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 13:12:00 -
[55] - Quote
NOTHING IN EVE IN CONSENSUAL NOT EVEN PVE
/thread |

Dirk Culliford
Zero G Universal Enterprises
12
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 13:50:00 -
[56] - Quote
Oh my, non-consensual pve'd by rats! This is unacceptable! Alternatively, you could stop being terrible?
Your corp name, "LEVEL UP", is appropriate. Perhaps you should consider doing so? Only, we don't have levels in EVE so instead, the suitable EVE phrase would probably be "skill yourself"? You were perhaps thinking of WOW, a game better known for requiring player consent for everything. Then again, maybe you would prefer a pvp game seeing as you are obviously horrific at PVE. |

Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
305
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 14:06:00 -
[57] - Quote
video of OP getting blown up was just discovered
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejX0Rym0NZw Selective Pressure [FOVRA] is now recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797934#post1797934 |

Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
1024
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 14:07:00 -
[58] - Quote
Hhahahahhahaahahhahahahhahaahaha hahahahah!!!
HAHAHA!
This is awesome +1 +1 +1. Learn 2 navigate in eve, mate! quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
5
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 14:08:00 -
[59] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:It's not so much that, they're easy to avoid if you're not an idiot, but it does impede movement and provide a major inconvenience.
so is player camps ... yet when someone posts about that you get the HTFU comments from guys like you.
praznimrak wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, I think the incursion gatecamps are detrimental to gameplay. As I've stated in other threads, I don't think PVE elements should interfere with my ability to travel and do PVP.
Nonconsensual PVP is necessary of course for this game, but nonconsensual PVE, at least on the level of intensity that the incursion rats have, is ridiculous. That is my point.Low sec is all ready gate camp intensive,but at least one can fight vs other players,but True power gate camp is insane,just got vaporized. I dont see any real sense to this gate camps. CCp should remove them from gates,and keep them in combat sites
so with this argument you are saying that pvp arena's is the next step.
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Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
5
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 14:11:00 -
[60] - Quote
Sergeant Nuisance wrote:praznimrak wrote:Guy you are intersting ,but i woud like to see some more inteligent ideas ok I am gonna play along.. be ******* grateful ccp don't have these in high sec like I want them to have. invasions should never be "safe".
+1 it would add a dimension to high sec that would be epic.
It would be an isk sink not to mention a tear faucet(hydrant) for those that enjoy tears. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4475
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 14:13:00 -
[61] - Quote
praznimrak wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:praznimrak wrote:Guy you are intersting ,but i woud like to see some more inteligent ideas Use a scout? Scout got insta poped
I don't think you quite get how scouting works Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Dirk Culliford
Zero G Universal Enterprises
12
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 14:24:00 -
[62] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:praznimrak wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:praznimrak wrote:Guy you are intersting ,but i woud like to see some more inteligent ideas Use a scout? Scout got insta poped I don't think you quite get how scouting works
"Just NPC's in here, jump in!!"
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
516
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 14:28:00 -
[63] - Quote
Tyrton wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:It's not so much that, they're easy to avoid if you're not an idiot, but it does impede movement and provide a major inconvenience. so is player camps ... yet when someone posts about that you get the HTFU comments from guys like you. Uh yeah, because they're PLAYER camps. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
623
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 14:48:00 -
[64] - Quote
praznimrak wrote:Gun Gal wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Maybe so, but if that's the case then I don't agree with the design intent. maybe if you learned to play eve you would not be so upset? lets see, jump scout in, scout gets insta popped. did you check log of scout? did you see it was sansha? did you notice they do heavy em and therm damage? did you doa quick refit to get resists up above 80% before jumping in? do you ever check incursion hotspots to see if your close to one, especially in lowsec? you didnt do any of these, hence you dying less than spectacularily, hate to say it but, man L2P, lowsec is rife with outlaws, both human and npc. This game is full of experts like you. Mr expert it is fine for you that a scout got poped by insta locking,huge dps,incredibel range web npc on a stargate???? it did not hapend to you or any other WISE GIVINGOPPINION MTF in this post,So STFU . Seems all the fails of RL did become experts in football,cars,politics and now EVE too.
I wouldn't say we're experts, we just know how to use scouts and don't need help getting dressed in the morning. But then, if understanding what scouting entails makes someone an expert, so be it.
Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |

Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1692
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Posted - 2012.08.19 14:59:00 -
[65] - Quote
Deal with it.
(this guy is so bad, he's complaining about NPCs) (sure, pick on those who can't defend themselves!) Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9189
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Posted - 2012.08.19 15:20:00 -
[66] - Quote
The idea is that incursions are supposed to be hugely disruptive to the standard gameplay going on in the affected constellation, thereby giving the residents a strong incentive to either get rid of the Sansha or stay away.
It seems to be working.
I also agree with a number of other posters that they should have extended the camps to highsec and allowed incursions to hit a wider array of areas. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
662
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 16:21:00 -
[67] - Quote
Tippia wrote:The idea is that incursions are supposed to be hugely disruptive to the standard gameplay going on in the affected constellation, thereby giving the residents a strong incentive to either get rid of the Sansha or stay away.
It seems to be working.
I also agree with a number of other posters that they should have extended the camps to highsec and allowed incursions to hit a wider array of areas.
They should have never get rid of high sec gate camps. Also: lol high sec belt rats, those guys should have tested the first incursion version of high sec, they'd feel ridiculous. brb |

Larloch TheAncient
Alpha Arms and Manufacturing Order of the Void
2
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Posted - 2012.08.19 16:59:00 -
[68] - Quote
What is the point of gate camps made of REAL PLAYERS????
I dont get it,i m travelling whit my pvE ship true low sec,having to avoid INCURSIONS,SPACE WHALES and i just discovered that all of that is peace of cake compared whit PVP GATECAMP.
Jumped thrue gate in small gang ,and first to decloak was a frig that got scrambeld and insta poped and after that my heavily tanked navy omen,that did survive 25 GURISTA bc PVE PLEX,10 man frig and desis,was almost insta poped by 5 PLAYERS!!! Neutralized,scramed,webd and receiving insane amount of dps by PVP CAMP IN LOW SEC.
WHAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CCP.
It is not,fun,there is nothing to learn from it,gates are full of wracks of ppl that did not decide to engage in PVP,just traveld and got ganked by PLAYERS.
Remove AGGRESSION from gates,PVPERS are there to be engage in ASTROID BELTS and not to gank ppl passing true system.
And if you insist on keeping tham on gates,make tham agres stations,POS structures,make sleepers agres ppl on wormholes,and so on.
PVP dont make sense on gates, especial not in numbers and power that can take BS in few sec.
FIX IT PLEASE |

Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
104
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Posted - 2012.08.19 17:19:00 -
[69] - Quote
Larloch TheAncient wrote:What is the point of gate camps made of REAL PLAYERS????
I dont get it,i m travelling whit my pvE ship true low sec,having to avoid INCURSIONS,SPACE WHALES and i just discovered that all of that is peace of cake compared whit PVP GATECAMP.
Jumped thrue gate in small gang ,and first to decloak was a frig that got scrambeld and insta poped and after that my heavily tanked navy omen,that did survive 25 GURISTA bc PVE PLEX,10 man frig and desis,was almost insta poped by 5 PLAYERS!!! Neutralized,scramed,webd and receiving insane amount of dps by PVP CAMP IN LOW SEC.
WHAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CCP.
It is not,fun,there is nothing to learn from it,gates are full of wracks of ppl that did not decide to engage in PVP,just traveld and got ganked by PLAYERS.
Remove AGGRESSION from gates,PVPERS are there to be engage in ASTROID BELTS and not to gank ppl passing true system.
And if you insist on keeping tham on gates,make tham agres stations,POS structures,make sleepers agres ppl on wormholes,and so on.
PVP dont make sense on gates, especial not in numbers and power that can take BS in few sec.
FIX IT PLEASE
Or you could HTFU and learn how to travel through lowsec. Maybe think twice before jumping your whole gang through at once.
Traveling through lowsec is not hard, it just doesn't tolerate ignorance. "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |

ugh zug
29
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Posted - 2012.08.19 17:20:00 -
[70] - Quote
guess you will remember not to travel into incursions?
the gatecamp serves as a barrier of difficulty to enter the sites, as well as protection from roaming fleets looking for easy pve ships to kill. perfect for nullsec, and lowsec. Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |

Adeleda Adoudel
Archangels of Purgatory
4
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Posted - 2012.08.19 17:32:00 -
[71] - Quote
The whole idea of the incursion is Sansha lock down the constellation. If there wasn't anything hindering your entrance it wouldn't be a very good lockdown would it? Incursion constellations show up in your journel so unlike player camps, you have plenty ofwarning. Learn to play. Its not a new mechanic. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.08.19 17:40:00 -
[72] - Quote
Andski wrote:they should add those camps to the hisec incursion systems
you know, for balance
post Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |

Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
307
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 17:43:00 -
[73] - Quote
Incursions is one of the very big features that is working pretty much correctly imo Selective Pressure [FOVRA] is now recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1797934#post1797934 |

Yokai Mitsuhide
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
403
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Posted - 2012.08.19 17:45:00 -
[74] - Quote
praznimrak wrote:[quote=James Amril-Kesh]
CCp should remove them from gates,and keep them in combat sites
Yes...because pirates would have no interest in pirate like activities.  |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
587
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 19:27:00 -
[75] - Quote
I'm guessing OP hasn't run into the guy that just sits on a gate in a Rokh with all smartbombs active yet... |

XxRTEKxX
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
8
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Posted - 2012.08.19 19:31:00 -
[76] - Quote
So it plays to the idea of an incursion. Shut down the entire system. If the npcs at gates were in hishsec, then there should be a battle by the faction and sansha ships. That would make it more interesting. Then highsec pilots could take part in defending the gates along with the npc faction ships.
If ccp is trying tio simulate an npc war, then they should take it all the way. Sansha at all gates, highsec having to fight faction npcs and players. |

Belshazzar Babylon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.08.19 21:58:00 -
[77] - Quote
I thought space was supposed to be dangerous. |

Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
76
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 22:09:00 -
[78] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, I think the incursion gatecamps are detrimental to gameplay. As I've stated in other threads, I don't think PVE elements should interfere with my ability to travel and do PVP.
Nonconsensual PVP is necessary of course for this game, but nonconsensual PVE, at least on the level of intensity that the incursion rats have, is ridiculous.
So, inversely, I don't think your PvP should interfere with my ability to travel and do PVE, Hey what's good for goose............. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
519
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 22:12:00 -
[79] - Quote
Mistah Ewedynao wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, I think the incursion gatecamps are detrimental to gameplay. As I've stated in other threads, I don't think PVE elements should interfere with my ability to travel and do PVP.
Nonconsensual PVP is necessary of course for this game, but nonconsensual PVE, at least on the level of intensity that the incursion rats have, is ridiculous. So, inversely, I don't think your PvP should interfere with my ability to travel and do PVE, Hey what's good for goose............. No, because this is a PVP game. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Lord Arakkis
Vestige of Vehemence Dragon Swarm Dynasty
37
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Posted - 2012.08.19 22:18:00 -
[80] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Maybe so, but if that's the case then I don't agree with the design intent.
Not to be a total jerk, but the best option for you it seems is simple: do something else you enjoy. You know what they say about the definition of insanity.... Your still a child in the eyes of the universe |

illirdor
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
23
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Posted - 2012.08.19 22:19:00 -
[81] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Mistah Ewedynao wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, I think the incursion gatecamps are detrimental to gameplay. As I've stated in other threads, I don't think PVE elements should interfere with my ability to travel and do PVP.
Nonconsensual PVP is necessary of course for this game, but nonconsensual PVE, at least on the level of intensity that the incursion rats have, is ridiculous. So, inversely, I don't think your PvP should interfere with my ability to travel and do PVE, Hey what's good for goose............. No, because this is a PVP game. -¿ well its the same OP is complaining about
Come to Amamake... The universal answer to everything... |

Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.08.19 22:26:00 -
[82] - Quote
Exactly, just another null bear telling us how we should play our game. |

illirdor
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
23
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 22:27:00 -
[83] - Quote
praznimrak wrote:What is the point of gate camps made of sansha npcs????
I dont get it,i m travelling whit my pvp ship true low sec,having to avoid pirates,war targets and i just discovered that all of that is peace of cake compared whit sansha gate camp.
Jumped thrue gate in small gang ,and first to decloak was a frig that got scrambeld and insta poped and after that my heavily tanked navy omen,that did survive 5 man bc gang,10 man frig and desis,was almost insta poped by THRUE POWER. Neutralized,scramed,webd and receiving insane amount of dps by NPC CAMP IN LOW SEC.
WHAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CCP.
It is not,fun,there is nothing to learn from it,gates are full of wracks of ppl that did not decide to engage in npc combat site,just traveld and got ganked by NPCS.
Remove npcs from gates,incursions are there to be engage in combat sites and not to gank ppl passing true system.
And if you insist on keeping tham on gates,make tham agres stations,POS structures,make sleepers agres ppl on wormholes,and so on.
Sanshas dont make sense on gates, especial not in numbers and power that can take BS in few sec.
FIX IT PLEASE
i find it hard to believe that you where the strongest of the sperm
Come to Amamake... The universal answer to everything... |

ElSuerte Diego
Protectors Holdings CORE Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.08.19 22:33:00 -
[84] - Quote
At first I thought people were joking with these "you got your PVE in my PVP" complaints. Pretty sad that elite PVPers are complaining about 'non-consensual PVE.'
I just wanted to add that incursions affect non incursion related PVE too. I was doing a mining mission in a constellation undergoing an incursion, and the normal rats got replaced with some suped up Sansah incursion frigates and cruiser. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
519
|
Posted - 2012.08.19 23:07:00 -
[85] - Quote
Why don't we just replace all the players in the game with computers and make this a single-player game? I'm sure some of you would love that. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
28
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:24:00 -
[86] - Quote
you know how long has incursion been going on and you still jump into a system with the incursion in your folders theres a folder called global reports with the info on all systems effected by incursions, 2. you know how many ships I lost at the beginning of incursion more than you guaranteed, but I finally got through in an enyo and kitted the npc's away from the gate, stay out of the war zone and you won't have to worry otherwise stick warp stabs in and pucker up you're cheeks as you jump through 
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
79
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:34:00 -
[87] - Quote
Owned by NPC's ahahahaha.... |

Sucateira
Space Ambientalists
1
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:37:00 -
[88] - Quote
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:praznimrak wrote:Guy you are intersting ,but i woud like to see some more inteligent ideas Use a scout?
Without joining the discussion about sanshas camping gates... actually sound like a good idea. Why does everybody answer the same way, "use a scout". Are you trying to tell me that the only recommendation in this game, or the only way to play it right is having multiple accounts, one for boosting, other for scouting or for whatever, etc? |

lanyaie
490
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:45:00 -
[89] - Quote
Did you loot?
Aslo yrou speelling is 2be azhamed off I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you Currently offering 100% legit hulkageddon security sponsored by the mittani, send 50m to me and 50m to him |

OssadaDeathLaw
Shadow Bones and Skulls
6
|
Posted - 2012.08.20 00:00:00 -
[90] - Quote
Sucateira wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:praznimrak wrote:Guy you are intersting ,but i woud like to see some more inteligent ideas Use a scout? Without joining the discussion about sanshas camping gates... actually sound like a good idea. Why does everybody answer the same way, "use a scout". Are you trying to tell me that the only recommendation in this game, or the only way to play it right is having multiple accounts, one for boosting, other for scouting or for whatever, etc?
A scout can be a friend/corpmate with his own account?
 |

Russell Casey
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
186
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Posted - 2012.08.20 21:20:00 -
[91] - Quote
Jypsie wrote:
Then probably some idiot on autopilot got blown up, lost a few bil and whined enough that CCP dumbed it down.
Sums up the history of highsec quite nicely. |

TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
204
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Posted - 2012.08.20 21:23:00 -
[92] - Quote
I haven't heard of NPC gatecamps before. Please please please please please, please, please PLEASE put them in highsec. "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |

Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
75
|
Posted - 2012.08.20 21:42:00 -
[93] - Quote
praznimrak wrote:What is the point of gate camps made of sansha npcs????
I dont get it,i m travelling whit my pvp ship true low sec,having to avoid pirates,war targets and i just discovered that all of that is peace of cake compared whit sansha gate camp.
Jumped thrue gate in small gang ,and first to decloak was a frig that got scrambeld and insta poped and after that my heavily tanked navy omen,that did survive 5 man bc gang,10 man frig and desis,was almost insta poped by THRUE POWER. Neutralized,scramed,webd and receiving insane amount of dps by NPC CAMP IN LOW SEC.
WHAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CCP.
It is not,fun,there is nothing to learn from it,gates are full of wracks of ppl that did not decide to engage in npc combat site,just traveld and got ganked by NPCS.
Remove npcs from gates,incursions are there to be engage in combat sites and not to gank ppl passing true system.
And if you insist on keeping tham on gates,make tham agres stations,POS structures,make sleepers agres ppl on wormholes,and so on.
Sanshas dont make sense on gates, especial not in numbers and power that can take BS in few sec.
FIX IT PLEASE
So this is why the guns have to change, its not the player camps, it the NPC's that they introduced. Way to go CCP, add some content then realize its better at greifing your player base than another player ever could be. Then change a core game mechanic to the game which will pretty much make Lowsec even more deserted than it already is, and then blame all of these changes on the people in lowsec killing people on gates to cover up your own dumb. Smooth move guys. |

praznimrak
Level Up
23
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Posted - 2012.08.22 17:32:00 -
[94] - Quote
After reading most of yours replays i did come to a conclusion that eve forums are full of trolls and ppl that post in here just to be on forums.
Most of posters did not ever been ganked by sansha NPC on the gate.Some did jump true incursion systems and did not get scramed by npc even in BS size,but leeme explain you that Sanshas do have different gate camps and in some ocasions you just fly by.
But in another thay have insta lock taklers,suprem web and scram range,insta dry neuting,and ammount of dps that would take a carrier down really fast .
So what is a point of locking down a low sec system whit no players and only making impossible traffic thru it???
And yes i am a pvper,i like to fight even outnumber (most of the time) i jumped into pirats camps millions of times,and in most of them i did manage to get alive but NPC camp was the hardest and most insane camp ever and i find that wrong.
So once again CCP remove those NPC sansha camps from gates.
THX My youtube chanell: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveOnlineGameplay |

Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
216
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Posted - 2012.08.22 17:50:00 -
[95] - Quote
Let me get this straight. You want CCP to make Incursions easier? Or, wait, you want them to make Incursions easier in low sec ? Is this right ?
As for non-consensual PvE, it already exists. Fly to any belt in any system anywhere in EvE (well, any systems that normally have ratz).
So you are saying, make Incursions no harder than current belt ratz ?
Is that what you want to say? |

Kinroi Alari
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Ocularis Inferno
18
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Posted - 2012.08.22 18:02:00 -
[96] - Quote
Popping over from the "gate gun changes are BAD" thread to this thread caused me much lunchtime hilarity.
I am highly amused. ^_^ |

Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.08.22 18:24:00 -
[97] - Quote
Maxxatan wrote:Damn NPC griefers.
+1
Screw those guys.
|

MadMuppet
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
535
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Posted - 2012.08.22 18:36:00 -
[98] - Quote
Idris Helion wrote:Maxxatan wrote:Damn NPC griefers. +1 Screw those guys.
You should report the NPC griefers for botting. If I tried to make a type of coffee that made all of you happy, and you rated it, the group score for it would be about 60 out of 100. Break into 3 or 4 coffee clusters, and made coffee just for each cluster, the scores would go from 60 to 78. The difference between coffee at 60 and coffee at 78 is a difference between coffee that makes you wince or makes you happy. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2358
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Posted - 2012.08.22 18:52:00 -
[99] - Quote
praznimrak wrote:After reading most of yours replays i did come to a conclusion that eve forums are full of trolls and ppl that post in here just to be on forums.
Most of posters did not ever been ganked by sansha NPC on the gate.Some did jump true incursion systems and did not get scramed by npc even in BS size,but leeme explain you that Sanshas do have different gate camps and in some ocasions you just fly by.
But in another thay have insta lock taklers,suprem web and scram range,insta dry neuting,and ammount of dps that would take a carrier down really fast .
So what is a point of locking down a low sec system whit no players and only making impossible traffic thru it???
And yes i am a pvper,i like to fight even outnumber (most of the time) i jumped into pirats camps millions of times,and in most of them i did manage to get alive but NPC camp was the hardest and most insane camp ever and i find that wrong.
So once again CCP remove those NPC sansha camps from gates.
THX If you insist on traveling through the gate even after your scout got ganked, perhaps you should contact a carebear Incursion running group to protect you.
Hard core Incursion gate camps are what we call "Incentive to clear the Incursion as quicly as possible." To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1013
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Posted - 2012.08.22 19:13:00 -
[100] - Quote
Jonni Favorite wrote:Poasting in a thread about hardcore pvp guy crying about getting owned by rats.. notemptyquoting
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
168
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Posted - 2012.08.22 19:21:00 -
[101] - Quote
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:praznimrak wrote:,i m travelling thrue THRUE POWER webd NPC CAMP IN LOW SEC. WHAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CCP. traveld tham tham I can feel the heat radiating off my screen as you furiously scrawled this post down.
You win EVE for today good sir!
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
80
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Posted - 2012.08.22 19:23:00 -
[102] - Quote
Just an honest logic question: if the sansha gatecamp rats in low target and kill a non-outlaw character, do they get chewed up by gateguns? :) |

Celestra Doxaila
MinTek Heavy Industries MinTek Conglomerate
10
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Posted - 2012.08.22 19:26:00 -
[103] - Quote
praznimrak wrote: ...are you some kind of boot writend down to fill the forums whit stupid comments...
Boot?
Who am I? ... I am the right hand of vengeance and the boot that is going to kick your sorry ass all the way back to Earth, sweetheart! I am death incarnate, and the last living thing that you will ever see. God sent me.
But back on topic. The first thing I would do if I was sieging a system is camp all the gates. Like it or hate it, the Sansha is at least acting like a player.
However on the other side of the argument, if Sansha is going to act like a player, why don't they get shot at by gate guns that are supposedly going to be able to take out capital ships in future updates? Why don't the highsec Sansha get shot at by Concord? how come they can do insta omni damage? Trying to make NPCs act like players only seems to break the illusion of the 4th wall further. |

Zakuak
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort Get Off My Lawn
7
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Posted - 2012.08.22 20:07:00 -
[104] - Quote
Sounds like a awesome good time LOL!
This should be wide spread, how fun would that be? |

Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2023
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Posted - 2012.11.05 12:14:00 -
[105] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Wait a minute, a PVPer having PVE forced on him, and he's crying in the forums about it?
C'mon. This can't be real. DarthNefarius wrote:Now I've heard it all NULL seccers complaining about non-consensual PvE 
*LOL* This thread delivers ! :D
Edit: Oh ****, necro. Somebody liked one of my posts and then i read this page and DAMN ... it's hilarious !
My bad ! I apologize ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Sentamon
225
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Posted - 2012.11.05 12:20:00 -
[106] - Quote
Russell Casey wrote:It's totally unfair, PvP'ers having PvE forced on them like this----and WHY DIDN'T THOSE RATS SHOW UP IN LOCAL?!?!?!
I have to agree here, rats should show up in Local so we know when to dock.  ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

dethleffs
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
121
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Posted - 2012.11.05 12:29:00 -
[107] - Quote
On a sidenote:
Why is it that if im gatecamping i get shot by gateguns and THRUE POWER SANSHA are free to instapop scouts and their gang of lemmings jumping in aswell?
edit: damn you chan you beat me to it!  |

Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
468
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Posted - 2012.11.05 12:30:00 -
[108] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, I think the incursion gatecamps are detrimental to gameplay. As I've stated in other threads, I don't think PVE elements should interfere with my ability to travel and do PVP.
oh yeah let me tell you about that....
I missed already sooo many kills due to sh*tty NPC on gates you wont believe it. Recent one was a missed maelstrom kill I was shooting with a saber in stain; grinded him down to half armor while bumping him off the gate when (usual non-incursion) rats started shooting me, had to leave then, the maelstrom finally crawled back to gate and jumped out. Man I was so pissed about this.
NPC on gates and/or interfering in pvp is so f*cking sick concept, sad CCP doesnt realize that. |

Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
164
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Posted - 2012.11.05 12:34:00 -
[109] - Quote
praznimrak wrote:What is the point of gate camps made of sansha npcs???? [...] WHAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CCP. [...]
To bring tears into the universe. Mission accomplished.
_______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.-á |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
733
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Posted - 2012.11.05 12:34:00 -
[110] - Quote
lanyaie wrote:Did you loot?
Aslo yrou speelling is 2be azhamed off
Perhaps English is not his native language? This is not a signature. |

NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
28
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:10:00 -
[111] - Quote
So the conclusion is, how dare Sansha be a better gate camper than me! I want to be the one popping all those ships. How dare you let these... npcs interfere with my ability to nonconsensually blow up someone's ship! Dont you know I have low blood iron content and thus am not amused!
-Insert various other tears relative and stripped from all the carebear gate camp threads_ |

Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
372
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Posted - 2012.11.05 13:14:00 -
[112] - Quote
Just remove loca......wait wrong thread.
I think they should add these type of npc gate camps to highsec because destruction of high sec items keeps the market happy A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
202
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Posted - 2012.11.05 14:59:00 -
[113] - Quote
I've heard Sanshas are now leaving ships afk cloaked also. Confirm/deny? |

Karrl Tian
Yarrbusters
20
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Posted - 2012.11.05 15:11:00 -
[114] - Quote
EVE online, the game where bots are better than people at PvE AND PvP. |

Xiode
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2012.11.05 15:35:00 -
[115] - Quote
praznimrak wrote:It is not,fun
yes, it is. |

Gussarde en Welle
Fruidian Logic The Volition Cult
48
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Posted - 2012.11.05 15:37:00 -
[116] - Quote
praznimrak wrote:What is the point of gate camps made of sansha npcs????
I dont get it,i m travelling whit my pvp ship true low sec,having to avoid pirates,war targets and i just discovered that all of that is peace of cake compared whit sansha gate camp.
Jumped thrue gate in small gang ,and first to decloak was a frig that got scrambeld and insta poped and after that my heavily tanked navy omen,that did survive 5 man bc gang,10 man frig and desis,was almost insta poped by THRUE POWER. Neutralized,scramed,webd and receiving insane amount of dps by NPC CAMP IN LOW SEC.
WHAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CCP.
It is not,fun,there is nothing to learn from it,gates are full of wracks of ppl that did not decide to engage in npc combat site,just traveld and got ganked by NPCS.
Remove npcs from gates,incursions are there to be engage in combat sites and not to gank ppl passing true system.
And if you insist on keeping tham on gates,make tham agres stations,POS structures,make sleepers agres ppl on wormholes,and so on.
Sanshas dont make sense on gates, especial not in numbers and power that can take BS in few sec.
FIX IT PLEASE
I can't understand half of what you wrote here. Please use syntactically correct English. "Thrue" isn't even a word. Neither is "whit".
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lanyaie
679
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Posted - 2012.11.05 16:06:00 -
[117] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:lanyaie wrote:Did you loot?
Aslo yrou speelling is 2be azhamed off Perhaps English is not his native language?
It isn't my native language either. Hay |

Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
220
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Posted - 2012.11.05 16:07:00 -
[118] - Quote
EvE Online, where the AI does a better job of gatecamping than real people.  "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Corporate Management
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.11.05 16:48:00 -
[119] - Quote
Anyone have a link to True Powers KB? |

Ix Aideron
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.11.05 16:54:00 -
[120] - Quote
Y U NO HAVE GOOD GRAMMAR? |

7'62 SKS
7.62
4
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Posted - 2012.11.05 17:03:00 -
[121] - Quote
Sansha gatecamps are supposed to mimic real PVP mechanics right? So why is there no mention of the scout also being locked up and podded? This is BS. I demand that CCP fix it so that pods are on the menu for Sansha as well otherwise what's the point? So sick of watered-down PVE. 
POINT THE POD SANSHA! Slow-*** worthless AI. |

Max Khaos
Black Nova Corp.
10
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Posted - 2012.11.05 17:07:00 -
[122] - Quote
Eve Lesson 1
Only play eve the way the devs (goons) want you too.
Sandbox game my ass ..... its kitty little full off *** ------------- Insert Goon Tears Here ------------- |

Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
499
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Posted - 2012.11.05 17:09:00 -
[123] - Quote
What would happen if Kimotoro has an Incursion....oh god all dem freighters...
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2708
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Posted - 2012.11.05 17:21:00 -
[124] - Quote
Max Khaos wrote:Eve Lesson 1
Only play eve the way the devs (goons) want you too.
Sandbox game my ass ..... its kitty little full off *** So... an NPC organization randomly camping gates in low sec with no concern as to who would like passage isn't part of your sandbox?   
Your definition of a sandbox needs a bit of thought put into it.  To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
433
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Posted - 2012.11.05 18:30:00 -
[125] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Wait a minute, a PVPer having PVE forced on him, and he's crying in the forums about it?
C'mon. This can't be real. DarthNefarius wrote:Now I've heard it all NULL seccers complaining about non-consensual PvE  *LOL* This thread delivers ! :D Edit: Oh ****, necro. Somebody liked one of my posts and then i read this page and DAMN ... it's hilarious ! My bad ! I apologize !
Where's ISD Type40 when you need threadlock for necroing?  I really find it unny you necro'd it with my post though thnx     Meta-gaming for NULL SECCers: Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up.-á Typical NULL seccer whine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u299-o66wo&feature=related |

FeralShadow
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
170
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Posted - 2012.11.05 18:35:00 -
[126] - Quote
The purpose, you ask?
Here's their purpose:
1. To introduce risk to travelling through Incursion space. Like everything else, you didn't know the risks so made a stupid mistake. 2. To make it so incursion space isn't just another cookie cutter area. It's unique in that it has powerful rats camping gates. 3. It's not fun for you but even without running any incursions it's fun for me. PvP has to be different with sansha throwing their hat in the ring.
TL;DR you noobed up and got owned. What else is new?
Shift click to open new window. How the Eve Sandbox Works:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=482176#post482176
"I believe in karma. That's why whenever I do something sh**ty to others, they somehow deserved it." |

Solstice Project
Carebear Cadaver Productions
2029
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Posted - 2012.11.05 21:28:00 -
[127] - Quote
Oh great, now this thread delivers even more. ^_^
So many whiny bitches, incredible.
OMG THE RATS MADE NONCONSENSUAL PVE HOW DARE THEY !!!!1111oneoneone
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Lolar55
Titan Core
4
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Posted - 2012.11.05 21:33:00 -
[128] - Quote
Where is the world going if the best pirates in eve are NPCs? |

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
120
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Posted - 2012.11.05 22:35:00 -
[129] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, I think the incursion gatecamps are detrimental to gameplay. As I've stated in other threads, I don't think PVE elements should interfere with my ability to travel and do PVP.
Nonconsensual PVP is necessary of course for this game, but nonconsensual PVE, at least on the level of intensity that the incursion rats have, is ridiculous.
This dude has to be trolling. |

ACE McFACE
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
853
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Posted - 2012.11.05 23:38:00 -
[130] - Quote
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:If Sanshas are ganking your BS in a few seconds you're doing it wrong You haven't done anything Incursion related have you? "No one drove in New York, there was too much traffic." |

Tibus Massani
Shield X Semper Fidelis Coalition
8
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Posted - 2012.11.06 04:20:00 -
[131] - Quote
Abel Merkabah wrote:Larloch TheAncient wrote:What is the point of gate camps made of REAL PLAYERS????
I dont get it,i m travelling whit my pvE ship true low sec,having to avoid INCURSIONS,SPACE WHALES and i just discovered that all of that is peace of cake compared whit PVP GATECAMP.
Jumped thrue gate in small gang ,and first to decloak was a frig that got scrambeld and insta poped and after that my heavily tanked navy omen,that did survive 25 GURISTA bc PVE PLEX,10 man frig and desis,was almost insta poped by 5 PLAYERS!!! Neutralized,scramed,webd and receiving insane amount of dps by PVP CAMP IN LOW SEC.
WHAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CCP.
It is not,fun,there is nothing to learn from it,gates are full of wracks of ppl that did not decide to engage in PVP,just traveld and got ganked by PLAYERS.
Remove AGGRESSION from gates,PVPERS are there to be engage in ASTROID BELTS and not to gank ppl passing true system.
And if you insist on keeping tham on gates,make tham agres stations,POS structures,make sleepers agres ppl on wormholes,and so on.
PVP dont make sense on gates, especial not in numbers and power that can take BS in few sec.
FIX IT PLEASE Or you could HTFU and learn how to travel through lowsec. Maybe think twice before jumping your whole gang through at once. Traveling through lowsec is not hard, it just doesn't tolerate ignorance. Sarcasm dude, he's mocking the op for whining about npc gatecamps. |

Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
224
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Posted - 2012.11.06 04:41:00 -
[132] - Quote
Double click in space in the direction you want to go, you'll be fine. |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
447
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Posted - 2012.11.06 05:06:00 -
[133] - Quote
A PVPer complaining about nonconsensual... PVE .
This is pure awesome. |

Astroniomix
EliteTroll
288
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Posted - 2012.11.06 05:30:00 -
[134] - Quote
illirdor wrote:praznimrak wrote:What is the point of gate camps made of sansha npcs????
I dont get it,i m travelling whit my pvp ship true low sec,having to avoid pirates,war targets and i just discovered that all of that is peace of cake compared whit sansha gate camp.
Jumped thrue gate in small gang ,and first to decloak was a frig that got scrambeld and insta poped and after that my heavily tanked navy omen,that did survive 5 man bc gang,10 man frig and desis,was almost insta poped by THRUE POWER. Neutralized,scramed,webd and receiving insane amount of dps by NPC CAMP IN LOW SEC.
WHAT IS THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CCP.
It is not,fun,there is nothing to learn from it,gates are full of wracks of ppl that did not decide to engage in npc combat site,just traveld and got ganked by NPCS.
Remove npcs from gates,incursions are there to be engage in combat sites and not to gank ppl passing true system.
And if you insist on keeping tham on gates,make tham agres stations,POS structures,make sleepers agres ppl on wormholes,and so on.
Sanshas dont make sense on gates, especial not in numbers and power that can take BS in few sec.
FIX IT PLEASE i find it hard to believe that you where the strongest of the sperm He wasn't. One sperm on its own is unable to pierce the outer wall of the egg. It's a combined effort of hundreds of sperm all sacrificing themselves to weaken the egg enough for one of them to make it through. So he was one of the weaker ones that made it there after everyone else breached the wall (killing themselves in the process).
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Obsidian Hawk
Aliastra Gallente Federation
847
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Posted - 2012.11.06 05:36:00 -
[135] - Quote
I for one wish incursion npc's would pod players.
But i love the op's rage. Next time check your map before flying around. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2012.11.06 05:38:00 -
[136] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Max Khaos wrote:Eve Lesson 1
Only play eve the way the devs (goons) want you too.
Sandbox game my ass ..... its kitty little full off *** So... an NPC organization randomly camping gates in low sec with no concern as to who would like passage isn't part of your sandbox?    Your definition of a sandbox needs a bit of thought put into it.  Again, perhaps we should call in some high sec Incursion runners to make the area safe for you again.  Yes, going into lowsec,
I can't IMAGINE what could possibly go wrong. It involves some form of pointing as well as Falcons....
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
181
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Posted - 2012.11.06 05:40:00 -
[137] - Quote
If you are afraid of gate camps, come visit the incursions in Aunenen or Rancer.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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