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Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
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Posted - 2011.01.26 04:01:00 -
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SHSG Big Bond
Bonds available: 100
Face value per bond: 100m
Total Bond Value : 10B
Bond Begins: Soon as filled
Maturity: 90 days+
Interest: 2.75% obo
Date of issuance: TBA
Date of maturity: TBA
Reserved:
This is the latest Bond by SHSG. We are looking to add liquidity for our core markets, and continue research for our BPO's. This bond will carry 7b collateral in the form ob bpo's.
We have asked Breaker77 To act as 3rd party, and await his reply. However if any investor can act as 3rd party and offer full research of the bpo collateral,or offer an alternative we are open to negotiate.
We would like to to run this for 90 days with the option to continue if all parties agree.
Please reply with concerns, questions, and/or ideas.
Thank you
Stealing Honest
CEO
SHSG
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Darth Anonymous
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.26 04:27:00 -
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What is the status of your previous bonds?
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Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
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Posted - 2011.01.26 04:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Darth Anonymous
What is the status of your previous bonds?
Of our 8 previous bonds and 1 IPO, all have ended in full payment.
We currently have 2 bonds running, both at 100% collateral. One ends in 10 days, the other in early Feb.
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.01.26 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Stealing Honest
This bond will carry 7b collateral in the form ob bpo's.
Which means that 3 billion isk of your loan will be non-collateralised, for which you are offering 2.75% interest.
A few questions:
1. Am I correct in understanding that this means that you are seeking non-collateralised isk for the first time [all your previous bonds having been 100% or more collateralised]?
2. Are you planning to get an audit now you are moving to the non-collateralised phase?
3. Do you plan to raise any additional isk during the 90-day period of this bond, either secured or non-secured?
4. Will your duties in Universal Railways impact on your business model in any way, and are you handling any public money in that corporation?
Thanks SH
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2011.01.26 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Liberty Eternal
4. Will your duties in Universal Railways impact on your business model in any way, and are you handling any public money in that corporation?
I can answer that: no, because I am currently the only person with wallet access in Universal.
The ROI on this is darned low, but with 70 % collateral and many other previous bonds paid out, I would say this is almost as healthy as it gets around here.
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Agluhs
Amarr
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.26 09:33:00 -
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Some questions;
1 - Can you please provide links to your IPO and your previous 8 bonds?
2 - As for the uncollateralised portion, are you selling it seperate from the collateralised, or if this falls through everyone gets 70% of their cash back/ 70% of the investors get their money back?
3 - Can anyone provide proof as to Breaker77's validity as a third party?(not being an ass, just have never used him/seen him used)
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Torain
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Agluhs
1 - Can you please provide links to your IPO and your previous 8 bonds?
I'm clearly bored.
SHSG Bond #1 [Closed]
SHSG Bond #2 [Closed]
SHSG Bond #3 [Closed]
SHSG Bond #4 [Closed]
SHSG -[LLSE] -> *** Share Buy Back @ 1.15m ea - IPO Closed ***
SHSG Bond #5 [Closed]
SHSG Premium Bond - **Closed Paid in Full**
Krazy Banana Bond - (PaidOff & Closed)
Krazy Banana / SHSG Bond #2 ** Paid Off & Closed**
SHSG Basic Bond - 5B @ 3% for 30days.
SHSG Bond - 3b 60days. (Running)
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.26 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: Breaker77 on 26/01/2011 10:56:08
Originally by: Agluhs
3 - Can anyone provide proof as to Breaker77's validity as a third party?(not being an ass, just have never used him/seen him used)
The last major thing I managed was the MD Audit Fund.
As well as SH current public bond as he already mentioned and I believe is linked in the post above this one.
I have also done a couple of other 3rd party jobs in the past as well as auditing services.
I don't have time right now before work to go digging for them, but if you still have questions or concerns I can search for them after work today.
edit: @ SH, I haven't had time to log in to check my mail yet, but I should be able to do that when on break.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.01.26 11:03:00 -
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That's an awful interest rate .. 2.75% ?? "Or best offer" like someone is going to undercut it? You really are pushing the barriers with your bond now. Good luck, you've paid all the rest out, but I think this is verging on weasly :P
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Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
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Posted - 2011.01.26 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Liberty Eternal
Originally by: Stealing Honest
This bond will carry 7b collateral in the form ob bpo's.
Which means that 3 billion isk of your loan will be non-collateralised, for which you are offering 2.75% interest.
A few questions:
1. Am I correct in understanding that this means that you are seeking non-collateralised isk for the first time [all your previous bonds having been 100% or more collateralised]?
2. Are you planning to get an audit now you are moving to the non-collateralised phase?
3. Do you plan to raise any additional isk during the 90-day period of this bond, either secured or non-secured?
4. Will your duties in Universal Railways impact on your business model in any way, and are you handling any public money in that corporation?
Thanks SH
To answer your questions.
1. Most of my previous ventures have been non-collateralised. If you look at the links provided by Torain in post #7, you will see that our first 2 offerings had collateral, the next 6 did not. When we started moving into bpos for research we began offering collateral again because of the loan sizes.
2.We do not plan to have a new audit, however you can look at our last audit done in Oct by VV for the premium bond. Linkage
3. I do not plan to raise any additional funds beyond these bpo bonds, until they are all paid off.
4. I handle NO isk for URAIL, my position is client grading, customer service, and flying da big boats. As for my business model, its the same as has been for years, and has changed little from when VV did the audit. Slow & Steady is my way.
Originally by: Agluhs
Some questions;
1 - Can you please provide links to your IPO and your previous 8 bonds?
2 - As for the uncollateralised portion, are you selling it seperate from the collateralised, or if this falls through everyone gets 70% of their cash back/ 70% of the investors get their money back?
3 - Can anyone provide proof as to Breaker77's validity as a third party?(not being an ass, just have never used him/seen him used)
1 - Torain was kind enough to link up my past offerings in Post #7.
2 - Im selling as 70% collateralised. If a bus should hit me, the 3rd party will sell the collateral to repay investors.
3 - We have used Breaker77 before, and he provides the research we need while acting as 3rd party.
Originally by: Caldariftw123
That's an awful interest rate .. 2.75% ?? "Or best offer" like someone is going to undercut it? You really are pushing the barriers with your bond now. Good luck, you've paid all the rest out, but I think this is verging on weasly :P
OBO goes both ways. People can feel free to pitch their best offer.
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Two Shots
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:07:00 -
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This guy looks legit for at least his next two or three bonds before he does a smash and grab.
Two Shots
Goonwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Two Shots
This guy looks legit for at least his next two or three bonds before he does a smash and grab.
How nice of goonswarm to let you out of your cage for the day.
@SH thanks for answering.
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Two Shots
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.26 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Liberty Eternal
Originally by: Two Shots
This guy looks legit for at least his next two or three bonds before he does a smash and grab.
How nice of goonswarm to let you out of your cage for the day.
@SH thanks for answering.
Seeing as how you idiots in Market Discussion seem to fall for scams a lot, one would think that you'd be more willing to listen when someone comments on such. Keep right on trucking, MD Hero.
Two Shots
Goonwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Official Recruiting Officer |
Misty McGinnity
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Posted - 2011.01.27 00:27:00 -
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People invest in MD schemes to make isk. 2.75% isn't enough.
Not doubting your integrity, obviously your history doesn't involve scamming 70% collateral seems ok for a bond this size, although a little more may entice some investors.
As for Breaker77 holding said collateral, i don't think many have an issue with this.
Best of luck anyway champ.
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Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
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Posted - 2011.01.27 01:45:00 -
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I edited the OP, for a bit of clarity. The 2.75% obo interest rate is not a one time payment, but per every 30 days.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.01.27 14:27:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1414712&page=1#10
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1414712&page=1#23
I would not vouch for SH like Cista2 or egola kinda did.
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Juniper Holdings
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Posted - 2011.01.27 17:06:00 -
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Don't mind these guys SH. Just make some wise cracks and claim to be making some scam but not scam scammity scam scam anti scam icescram sandwich with cherries on top scam surprise not scam.
They'll laugh and give you buckets of ISK without checking anything about you at all.
Hey it worked for that other guy. Right??
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Torain
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Posted - 2011.01.27 17:22:00 -
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Stealing Honest - Market Discussions Bond/IPO Summmary - Part 1
SHSG Bond #1
Amount: 400 Million ISK - 2010.06.20 15:45:00 (?)
Repaid: 540 Million ISK - 2010.06.29 07:41:00 (?)
One Bond holder for the full amount. Lady Janey. Essentially a very short term loan.
SHSG Bond #2
Amount: 600 Million ISK - 2010.07.05 22:37:00 (?)
Repaid: 630 Million ISK - 2010.07.11 15:59:00 (?)
One Bond holder for the full amount. Krathos Morpheus. Another very short term loan. Looks to be that he used the PLEXes from the first Bond to secure this one.
SHSG Bond #3
Amount: 250 Million ISK - 2010.07.16 16:53:00 (?)
Repaid: 265 Million ISK - 2010.07.22 22:16:00 (?)
One Bond holder for the full amount. Dezolf. Short term loan. No collateral.
SHSG Bond #4
Amount: 250 Million ISK - 2010.08.02 17:42:00 (?)
Repaid: 259.75 Million ISK - 2010.08.09 22:43:00 (?)
One Bond holder for the full amount. Ramingo. Short term loan. No collateral. Interest rolled over for SHSG IPO
SHSG -[LLSE]- IPO
Amount: 3.275 Billion ISK - 2010.07.26 18:53:00 (?)
Repaid: 5.5627 Billion ISK - 2010.11.20 15:19:00 (?)
This was/is highly confusing. There were 4 seperate issue of 1,000 shares at different times. The shares were bought and sold by Cista2. It's entirely uncertain if all the shares were bought back. No dissenting voices.
SHSG Bond #5
Amount: 1.5 Billion ISK - 2010.09.10 21:21:00 (?)
Repaid: 1.56 Billion ISK - 2010.09.22 03:39:00 (?)
Repayment amount is higher than listed. (?) This Bond ran at the same time as the SHSG IPO. No collateral.
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Torain
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Posted - 2011.01.27 17:24:00 -
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Stealing Honest - Market Discussions Bond/IPO Summmary - Part 2
SHSG Premium Bond
Amount: 3 Billion ISK - 2010.10.11 14:39:00 (?)
Repaid: 3.24 Billion ISK - 2010.11.27 23:13:00 (?)
Repayment may be higher, this is confusing as there is a tie in with SHSG IPO.Audit done by Vaerah Vahrokha. 50% collateral held by Vaerah Vahrokha.
Krazy Banana Bond / SHSG Bond #1
Amount: 1 Billion ISK - 2010.11.01 16:37:00 (?)
Repaid: 1.05 Billion ISK - 2010.11.11 23:40:00 (?)
Techincally a SHSG Bond in that Krazy Banana is wholly owned by them. SHSG 'secured' the Bond. This Bond ran at the same time as the SHSG IPO.
Krazy Banana Bond / SHSG Bond #2
Amount: 2 Billion ISK - 2010.11.16 21:19:00 (?)
Repaid: 2.1 Billion ISK - 2010.11.22 19:56:00 (?)
Techincally a SHSG Bond in that Krazy Banana is wholly owned by them. SHSG 'secured' the Bond. This Bond may be the reason that the SHSG IPO had a buyback.
SHSG Basic Bond
Amount: 5 Billion ISK - 2010.12.08 10:58:00 (?)
Repaid: ??? Million ISK - ??? (Running)
One Bond holder for the full amount. Breaker77. Is essentially a loan. Breaker77 is also researching the collateral.
SHSG Bond
Amount: 3 Billion ISK - 2011.01.09 16:30:00 (?)
Repaid: ??? Million ISK - ??? (Running)
Breaker77 is also researching the collateral.
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.27 22:18:00 -
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I'm really surprised no one is interested in this.
Not because I'm holding collateral or because he's ran several successful offerings before, but because of the lack of any decent offerings.
I'd invest in it if I had the spare ISK, but all mine is currently tied up in other ventures.
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Anachronic
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Posted - 2011.01.27 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
I'm really surprised no one is interested in this.
Not because I'm holding collateral or because he's ran several successful offerings before, but because of the lack of any decent offerings.
I'd invest in it if I had the spare ISK, but all mine is currently tied up in other ventures.
As it stands, I'm kinda interested in this because I have money to spare in the wallet right now, but i'm wondering if you could do closer to 4% which is a usual rate for collateralized loans from what I can tell. I'd be able to put up 1 bil if that be the case. Let me know SH
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Torain
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Posted - 2011.01.28 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Agluhs
3 - Can anyone provide proof as to Breaker77's validity as a third party?(not being an ass, just have never used him/seen him used)
I have also done a couple of other 3rd party jobs in the past as well as auditing services.
I don't have time right now before work to go digging for them, but if you still have questions or concerns I can search for them after work today.
Breaker77 has roughly 1,400 posts in the MD Forums. He has done numerous audits, and on occassion holds collateral. He currently holds 8b in collateral from Stealing Honest.
Breaker77 - Market Discussions Short-Short-Summary
2008.12.23 21:13:00 (?)
1st Post in MD. He got scammed.
Reclamation Industries Bond
2009.06.21 15:26:00 (?) - Amount: 2 Billion ISK
2009.09.06 18:29:00 (?) - Repaid: 2.64 Billion ISK
Bond was to run for 16 weeks, but ended 5 weeks early due to war declaration. The remaining 5 weeks were paid out.
2009.12.10 01:08:00 (?)
1st Audit. Done through Audits 001 run by Cista2
2010.01.29 03:05:00 (?) - Collateral Received
2010.03.31 01:43:00 (?) - Collateral Returned
1st collateral held. 2 BPOs that he researched for the duration.
2010.03.02 17:52:00 (?) - MD Audit Fund Opened
2011.01.14 23:42:00 (?) - MD Audit Fund Closed
Non-profit fund for providing audits to downtrodden Bonds/IPOs. 10,859,352,498 ISK eventually returned to investors.
2010.09.03 17:16:00 (?)
Third-party services. Within 12 hours it was decided it was unecessary, all assets returned.
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Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:31:00 -
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Thank you everyone for your replies and eve mails so far. This bond is still open.
SH
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:53:00 -
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How many BPOs is the collateral?
Joint Venture Conglomerate |
Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
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Posted - 2011.01.28 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jackie Fisher
How many BPOs is the collateral?
There will be 12 for this bond, all ships.
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.01.28 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Stealing Honest
There will be 12 for this bond, all ships.
Thanks for the info.
As obo cuts both ways I'll offer the full 10bil at 3.25%
Joint Venture Conglomerate |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's
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Posted - 2011.01.29 09:41:00 -
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10 B at 3%
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Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
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Posted - 2011.01.29 21:31:00 -
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Thanks for the great offers. Im going to let this offering run through the weekend.
Once i hear back from Breaker77, i will let everyone know the start date.
SH
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Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.29 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Stealing Honest
Once i hear back from Breaker77, i will let everyone know the start date.
SH
Replied to mail.
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Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
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Posted - 2011.02.10 03:27:00 -
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Sorry for the delay folks. We had to tie up some loose ends before we could launch this, but we are now ready to go.
If we don't get any more offers, and the current bidders are still interested we will launch this on Monday Feb 14th.
We are open for more bids until then.
SH
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