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Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.01.26 07:28:00 - [1] #1 These are not mission rats, they hurt more and are smarter like sleeper rats. #2 Treat incursions as pvp situations, learn to call targets properly. #3 Micro manage, put drones on tackle frigates and start dps on cruisers and tank through the bs's. #4 Use voice comms #5 Fleet composition is key, 1/4 should be logistics ships, 1/4 bs's and 1/2 hac / command ships. #6 make sure all the BS's have 1 RR on them and stay close to each other. #7 Make sure your fleet has the same type of tanking, dont mix tanks #8 A damnation or a vulture is a nice thing to have. #9 Practice rr on each other before hand and practice switching targets fast and using the broadcast menu. #10 DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRMUSTANCE SCREW AROUND IN THESE. These are serious battles taking a tech 1 ship with t1 fittings will get you killed. Learn to fit properly.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group Fleet Coordination Coalition	Posted - 2011.01.26 07:48:00 - [2] Now he tells me. I'm like sitting there "WTF? Dees guys dey wurs den speepuhs!!!" Take this advice people, it's true.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.26 07:53:00 - [3] take factional bs, lots of expensive mods and get blown up
Quemist	Posted - 2011.01.26 07:57:00 - [4] Poster 1 and 2, you look identical.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.01.26 07:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Quemist Poster 1 and 2, you look identical. Poster 4, ccp nerfed intaki and took our long hair, so most of the intaki people now sport dreads and all look the same.
Pookie McPook	Posted - 2011.01.26 08:04:00 - [6] +1 to Mr Hawk. I honestly thought the EVE community was better than this (and for "better" read more resourceful and less apt to cry). However, it turns out that the game has been taken over by the WoW brigade who demand that they be allowed to win without putting any effort into the process. Hopefully, if nothing else Incursions will have the effect of flushing out the kiddies who had turned up hoping micro transactions would allow them to become gods on the back of daddy's credit card. Sorry kids. EVE has gone "old school". Back to having elements that are brutally hard and entirely unforgiving to the casual player. CCP, I love you guys. ----- Marmite. Rocket fuel of champions.
Grideris Gallente Fleet Coordination Command Fleet Coordination Coalition	Posted - 2011.01.26 08:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk #1 These are not mission rats, they hurt more and are smarter like sleeper rats. #2 Treat incursions as pvp situations, learn to call targets properly. #3 Micro manage, put drones on tackle frigates and start dps on cruisers and tank through the bs's. #4 Use voice comms #5 Fleet composition is key, 1/4 should be logistics ships, 1/4 bs's and 1/2 hac / command ships. #6 make sure all the BS's have 1 RR on them and stay close to each other. #7 Make sure your fleet has the same type of tanking, dont mix tanks #8 A damnation or a vulture is a nice thing to have. #9 Practice rr on each other before hand and practice switching targets fast and using the broadcast menu. #10 DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRMUSTANCE SCREW AROUND IN THESE. These are serious battles taking a tech 1 ship with t1 fittings will get you killed. Learn to fit properly. #11 Bring a Scorpion or two loaded up with ECM. No I'm not kidding, RADAR Jammers really spoil their day. #12 Make sure you bring along some ships that can either hit out to 150-170km or catch MWDing Snipers. Some sites need them, some don't And as far as point 6 goes, as long as you have decent logistics pilots you should be right to leave the RR off your Battleships. -------------------------------- Lord Admiral, Fleet Coordination Coalition
Pookie McPook	Posted - 2011.01.26 08:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk #6 make sure all the BS's have 1 RR on them and stay close to each other. Sorry, but I was under the impression there was no rule #6? ----- Marmite. Rocket fuel of champions.
Ikarus Gaul Gallente Eiffel Initiatives	Posted - 2011.01.26 08:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Grideris Originally by: Obsidian Hawk #1 These are not mission rats, they hurt more and are smarter like sleeper rats. #2 Treat incursions as pvp situations, learn to call targets properly. #3 Micro manage, put drones on tackle frigates and start dps on cruisers and tank through the bs's. #4 Use voice comms #5 Fleet composition is key, 1/4 should be logistics ships, 1/4 bs's and 1/2 hac / command ships. #6 make sure all the BS's have 1 RR on them and stay close to each other. #7 Make sure your fleet has the same type of tanking, dont mix tanks #8 A damnation or a vulture is a nice thing to have. #9 Practice rr on each other before hand and practice switching targets fast and using the broadcast menu. #10 DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRMUSTANCE SCREW AROUND IN THESE. These are serious battles taking a tech 1 ship with t1 fittings will get you killed. Learn to fit properly. #11 Bring a Scorpion or two loaded up with ECM. No I'm not kidding, RADAR Jammers really spoil their day. #12 Make sure you bring along some ships that can either hit out to 150-170km or catch MWDing Snipers. Some sites need them, some don't And as far as point 6 goes, as long as you have decent logistics pilots you should be right to leave the RR off your Battleships. #13 Where there are logistics structures ... HACK THEM. They are overwhelming your DPS with repair to the Naton ships under attack. á How many humans will CONCORD allow Master Kuvakei and his True Slaves to abduct? How many is too many? Too many have already been lost! 40M citizens on countless planets!
Hyperforce99 Gallente Infinite Covenant Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2011.01.26 09:09:00 - [10] Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 26/01/2011 09:09:18 Bring an echelon frigate, or something that can hack fast, and go at the hackable containers. If someone hacks them the npcs spider tanks get weaker. --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/
Buddy Friend	Posted - 2011.01.26 09:19:00 - [11] #14 The most profitable setup is a Thrasher with MWD, salvagers and cap modules.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.01.26 16:53:00 - [12] you know we try to help the eve community by providing good advice for incursions and what happens, get bumped down to page 3 behind all the whines and people complaining its too hard.
Red Rydah Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.01.26 17:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk you know we try to help the eve community by providing good advice for incursions and what happens, get bumped down to page 3 behind all the whines and people complaining its too hard. It's appreciated. At least you take the time to offer tips. Newcomers and vets alike do appreciate this. And to the QQers who complain about this new hard edge being introduced to EVE for your enjoyment, here is one tip I'd like to add: don't do them if you do not understand what is involved or you are getting your butt whipped. There are plenty of other things to do in EVE.
Ayieka	Posted - 2011.01.26 17:09:00 - [14] I was honestly expecting this thread to be another 'raging at carebears' one
ivar R'dhak	Posted - 2011.01.26 17:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk you know we try to help the eve community by providing good advice for incursions and what happens, get bumped down to page 3 behind all the whines and people complaining its too hard. General board is for whining and (lately) portrait gaylording. Would be great if this thread was posted on the Mission board instead (GM move pleeeeaase ) Otherwise, great stuff. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Josefius Gallente JOKAS Industries Apocalypse Now.	Posted - 2011.01.26 17:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Originally by: Quemist Poster 1 and 2, you look identical. Poster 4, ccp nerfed intaki and took our long hair, so most of the intaki people now sport dreads and all look the same. Sad, but true.
Lysianna Nuxia	Posted - 2011.01.26 17:13:00 - [17] Heh I was nearly done writing an extensive guide and decided to screw it. We'll keep the key knowledge to our corp and friends. It's sad that people ignore tips and hints and simply go on a rampage instead. On a good point, everything you said is exactly what I was going to say with a few extra points. - People that wishes to lead these assaults are called Fleet Commanders and while you can train leadership skills. Being a true fleet commander comes with experience and knowledge. Practice makes perfect and you need to be calm and observant. - Everyone that wishes to do incursion SHOULD have RR skills and have at least 1 RR equipped on their setup. Being mister DPS will only bring you shame and death. - Stay close to each other, do not chasse unless ordered too. ________________________________________________ Lysianna Hazumason Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Rannz Minmatar Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe	Posted - 2011.01.26 17:22:00 - [18] Good tips and thanks for sharing.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.01.26 18:12:00 - [19] Yeah i cant wait for tonight, our hero fleet with our hero scorpion might be going out again. For a heads up on day 1, our group made quite a bit of isk from day one. Ok now to help out all the new players complaining about incursions and what to do, ask questions here. I will answer them and try to help you all out. Plus a few of the people I flew with last night are in here too, we will give you some tips but not the secrets.
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.01.26 18:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Yeah i cant wait for tonight, our hero fleet with our hero scorpion might be going out again. For a heads up on day 1, our group made quite a bit of isk from day one. Ok now to help out all the new players complaining about incursions and what to do, ask questions here. I will answer them and try to help you all out. Plus a few of the people I flew with last night are in here too, we will give you some tips but not the secrets. HAWK...YOU FILTHY PIRATE, spank me again. [21EL] Commander Tac-Ops / [21EL] I.S.C.
Kalya Varr Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.26 18:32:00 - [21] Edited by: Kalya Varr on 26/01/2011 18:37:28 Originally by: Pookie McPook +1 to Mr Hawk. I honestly thought the EVE community was better than this (and for "better" read more resourceful and less apt to cry). However, it turns out that the game has been taken over by the WoW brigade who demand that they be allowed to win without putting any effort into the process. Hopefully, if nothing else Incursions will have the effect of flushing out the kiddies who had turned up hoping micro transactions would allow them to become gods on the back of daddy's credit card. Sorry kids. EVE has gone "old school". Back to having elements that are brutally hard and entirely unforgiving to the casual player. CCP, I love you guys. +1 And OP great tips, thnx for sharing
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Hounds of Anarchy	Posted - 2011.01.26 18:39:00 - [22] #101 Do not shoot at other players, or CONCORD will shoot you. #102 Do not remote rep or provide any other logistics to an NPC pirate, or CONCORD will shoot you. #103 Do not shoot at another player's wreck, or CONCORD will shoot you. #104 Do not remote rep or provide any other logistics to a player who gets shot by CONCORD, or CONCORD will shoot you, too. #110 If you decide to fleet up with an unknown group of players, have brought a remote repper or any other logistics module with you, then avoid using it on any ship that costs less than your own ship. Chances are that the Rifter you are trying to protect with your T3 Cruiser does not know, or pretends not to know, about #101 to #103. *) Does not include players of your own corporation. --
fukier The Unpodable Supermen	Posted - 2011.01.26 18:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Originally by: Quemist Poster 1 and 2, you look identical. Poster 4, ccp nerfed intaki and took our long hair, so most of the intaki people now sport dreads and all look the same. lol is it racist to say all intaki look the same to me?
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.01.26 19:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Syn Callibri HAWK...YOU FILTHY PIRATE, spank me again. I am not a pirate, I liberated all that cargo from people too dumb to hold onto it. Next, as i said there are a lot of you who may have questions, please ask them. This is one of those rare chances the eve community is going to be helpful. Well here let me give you all a good hint to train RR. If you own a pos tower set up a lot of small beam and pulse lasers, about 6 total. now turn them on. now make sure the tower belongs to your corp and all the pilots are in your corp / alliance, not attack the tower (better to do this in low sec) This is a great way to learn how to learn to remote rep and use logistics fast. Trial by fire one could say.
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group Fleet Coordination Coalition	Posted - 2011.01.26 20:00:00 - [25] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Originally by: Quemist Poster 1 and 2, you look identical. Poster 4, ccp nerfed intaki and took our long hair, so most of the intaki people now sport dreads and all look the same. I miss my mullet Nothing said "planet redneck" better than an Intaki mullet.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.01.26 20:06:00 - [26] Good advice. But I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this one... single handedly the most important tip of all... ~ FIX YOUR OVERVIEWS Arranging it such that drones and friendly (see 'fleeted') players do not show up on your overview will drastically cut down on friendly fire (and thus CONCORD) "incidents." _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.01.26 20:10:00 - [27] i think the issue with these is people jump into the 20man areas, you gotta lower the influence first, take your 20 man fleet, break in to 4 groups of 5, kill the 5 man area's then go 10 man then the 20man area will be 10 times easier because you have SOME resist and get some DPS back
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.01.26 20:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Herping yourDerp i think the issue with these is people jump into the 20man areas, you gotta lower the influence first, take your 20 man fleet, break in to 4 groups of 5, kill the 5 man area's then go 10 man then the 20man area will be 10 times easier because you have SOME resist and get some DPS back Actually this is good point. There are different level incursions for different levels of experience. If you are new to them start off with the basics, then work your way up. Clearing out a lot of the small easy sites is sometimes enough to help the more experienced guys clear out the larger harder sites.
Jackie Flackette	Posted - 2011.01.26 20:43:00 - [29] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Originally by: Herping yourDerp i think the issue with these is people jump into the 20man areas, you gotta lower the influence first, take your 20 man fleet, break in to 4 groups of 5, kill the 5 man area's then go 10 man then the 20man area will be 10 times easier because you have SOME resist and get some DPS back Actually this is good point. There are different level incursions for different levels of experience. If you are new to them start off with the basics, then work your way up. Clearing out a lot of the small easy sites is sometimes enough to help the more experienced guys clear out the larger harder sites. I wonder if this is the intention: Use one big group that uses detachments to (successfully we hope) take down the smaller sites until such progression occurs that the detachments converge to the larger sites as the only way to "squash" the incursion entirely.
Ai Mei Starfish Operating Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.26 20:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Jackie Flackette Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Originally by: Herping yourDerp i think the issue with these is people jump into the 20man areas, you gotta lower the influence first, take your 20 man fleet, break in to 4 groups of 5, kill the 5 man area's then go 10 man then the 20man area will be 10 times easier because you have SOME resist and get some DPS back Actually this is good point. There are different level incursions for different levels of experience. If you are new to them start off with the basics, then work your way up. Clearing out a lot of the small easy sites is sometimes enough to help the more experienced guys clear out the larger harder sites. I wonder if this is the intention: Use one big group that uses detachments to (successfully we hope) take down the smaller sites until such progression occurs that the detachments converge to the larger sites as the only way to "squash" the incursion entirely. WAIT WHAT? PLAYERS USING LOGIC TO FIGURE OUT CCP's VIEW ON INCURSIONS??? This game involves strategy now rather than just going in with an afk boat and auto winning?
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.01.26 20:58:00 - [31] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Now he tells me. I'm like sitting there "WTF? Dees guys dey wurs den speepuhs!!!" Take this advice people, it's true. Never mind that WHY DID YOU KILL DUMBLEDORE??? Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
mfw	Posted - 2011.01.26 21:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk taking a tech 1 ship with t1 fittings will get you killed. No, it really wont.
Sidaiaon Caldari Massively Mob Massively Alliance	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:03:00 - [33] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Yeah i cant wait for tonight, our hero fleet with our hero scorpion might be going out again. For a heads up on day 1, our group made quite a bit of isk from day one. Ok now to help out all the new players complaining about incursions and what to do, ask questions here. I will answer them and try to help you all out. Plus a few of the people I flew with last night are in here too, we will give you some tips but not the secrets. Hero Scorpion will be on point, ready to jam tonight bro.
Mel Lifera Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:17:00 - [34] Nothing to add, really, other than that my Onieros of Destiny will be up for more festivities later tonight as well.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:23:00 - [35] Obsidian, you got it all backwards.
Jackie Flackette	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:29:00 - [36] Originally by: Ai Mei Originally by: Jackie Flackette Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Originally by: Herping yourDerp i think the issue with these is people jump into the 20man areas, you gotta lower the influence first, take your 20 man fleet, break in to 4 groups of 5, kill the 5 man area's then go 10 man then the 20man area will be 10 times easier because you have SOME resist and get some DPS back Actually this is good point. There are different level incursions for different levels of experience. If you are new to them start off with the basics, then work your way up. Clearing out a lot of the small easy sites is sometimes enough to help the more experienced guys clear out the larger harder sites. I wonder if this is the intention: Use one big group that uses detachments to (successfully we hope) take down the smaller sites until such progression occurs that the detachments converge to the larger sites as the only way to "squash" the incursion entirely. WAIT WHAT? PLAYERS USING LOGIC TO FIGURE OUT CCP's VIEW ON INCURSIONS??? This game involves strategy now rather than just going in with an afk boat and auto winning? Should I ragequit?
The Archetect	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:40:00 - [37] You cannot win. Concord was bored, they wanted to kill some stuff, they devised this whole thing. May Concord prevail.
Neddy Fox Gallente FireStar Inc Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:40:00 - [38] As former carebear, and vivid rememories of that time, I can only acknowledge the OP. It's completely NOT like PVE-ing. -If you're scared of lowsec or pirats -If you do not know how agression and GCC works -If you do not know how to fly logistics / RR in PVP -If you don't have FRIENDS : DON'T EVEN BOTHER. If I remember my empire time, and went with the knowledge I had back then into the incursions, I would have died, horribly, with expensive fits I couldn't afford to lose. ==== -Get a group of friends with PVP expirience -Form a drake group with scimis or Basies who know their ****. -Enter the EASIEST dungeons -LEARN. IMPROVE.
Darth Gustav Warp Devils United Pod Service	Posted - 2011.01.26 22:44:00 - [39] Originally by: Neddy Fox As former carebear, and vivid rememories of that time, I can only acknowledge the OP. It's completely NOT like PVE-ing. -If you're scared of lowsec or pirats -If you do not know how agression and GCC works -If you do not know how to fly logistics / RR in PVP -If you don't have FRIENDS : DON'T EVEN BOTHER. If I remember my empire time, and went with the knowledge I had back then into the incursions, I would have died, horribly, with expensive fits I couldn't afford to lose. ==== -Get a group of friends with PVP expirience -Form a drake group with scimis or Basies who know their ****. -Enter the EASIEST dungeons -LEARN. IMPROVE. ^This is a great post!!! +10
Ai Mei Starfish Operating Syndicate	Posted - 2011.01.27 04:30:00 - [40] I still find it funny that more people make whine posts to keep the helpful posts down.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.01.27 08:58:00 - [41] then we better bump this one up Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Aaarrghhh	Posted - 2011.01.27 09:15:00 - [42] Originally by: Neddy Fox -Enter the EASIEST dungeons You said Dungeon :(
Takseen	Posted - 2011.01.27 09:30:00 - [43] Originally by: Aaarrghhh Originally by: Neddy Fox -Enter the EASIEST dungeons You said Dungeon :( Pfft, even CCP calls them dungeons sometimes. Quote: The mysterious "???" dungeon sites will no longer show up when scanning.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.27 09:34:00 - [44] dont like em vote with youre fleet and go back to level 4s
Jowdra Amarr GalTech Shipyards	Posted - 2011.01.27 13:02:00 - [45] CCP need to review how Concord react to players in these incursions. You cant get 100 people in the same corporation to start attacking at the same time, you get 100 random people in a gang and you have to tread very lightly incase you misclick. Concord should be able to see this and not respond. bring back the old Group dynamics of No hostile action while in a gang in the same system. Even if it just means in Incursion systems.. if thats done believe me more people will contribute and start fighting these incursions. CCP pull your programmers fingers out of their collective anal chutes and do something about this.
Bankoff DarkFusion	Posted - 2011.01.27 16:26:00 - [46] My corp survived the incursions with a good group of bs, spider tanked, and a scorp on hand. Some of our individuals did not survive when they tried to join incursion on their own. Some got killed by Sansha and others by Concord. I don't really care how hard the incursions are; it would be nice to have something like that in high sec. But we're not going into a Concord-summoned fleet (to defend high sec from Sansha) only to have Concord kill us (because some player wants to screw us over for saving the universe from zombies).
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.01.27 17:35:00 - [47] So i tried a 10 man group last night. didnt go too well had some problems, but it is all a learning process. I myself am trying to be a better FC, but as with the first post yeah these sites are becoming heavily dependent on what ships you bring. So here is something i discovered 10 man - bring 3 logistics, preferably 2 guardians 1 onieros and have something like a phoon or a tempest transferring cap to the guadians, or a support domi doing the same.

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