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Jalen Mynar	Posted - 2011.01.27 16:02:00 - [1] so, its almost that time again. Time for the hard core pvp dudes to gank unarmed ships in empire, blah blah, whinge whine etc. Indy people in Eve get a raw deal. you are not real players, cant pvp etc. but how would eve run for the "real" players without you? it would run i guess, but not quite as cheaply as it does now. so how about if a large chunk of the indy people turn it around and stop manufacturing stuff? dont put stuffz on the markets. build ships ammo mods etc, but do it for your corpies, ally members and friends. apart from making people realise that industry is as much a part of eve as pvp, it might make it profitable again to build and sell stuff. cos lets face it, it isnt now. i have indy characters and also pvp ones and i enjoy the time i spend in this GAME doing both. just my 2c worth.
Enord Loej Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.27 16:23:00 - [2] Edited by: Enord Loej on 27/01/2011 16:23:55 Originally by: Jalen Mynar so, its almost that time again. Time for the hard core pvp dudes to gank unarmed ships in empire, blah blah, whinge whine etc. Indy people in Eve get a raw deal. you are not real players, cant pvp etc. but how would eve run for the "real" players without you? it would run i guess, but not quite as cheaply as it does now. so how about if a large chunk of the indy people turn it around and stop manufacturing stuff? dont put stuffz on the markets. build ships ammo mods etc, but do it for your corpies, ally members and friends. apart from making people realise that industry is as much a part of eve as pvp, it might make it profitable again to build and sell stuff. cos lets face it, it isnt now. i have indy characters and also pvp ones and i enjoy the time i spend in this GAME doing both. just my 2c worth. So, it's almost that time again. Time for the hard core pvp dudes to gank unarmed ships in empire, blah blah, whine whine etc. Industry people in EVE get a raw deal. You are not real players, can't PVP etc. But how would eve run for the "real" players without you? It would run I guess, but not quite as cheaply as it does now. How about if a large chunk of the Industry people turn it around and stop manufacturing stuff? Don't put stuff on the markets. Build ships ammo mods etc, but, do it for your corporation, alliance members, and friends. Apart from making people realize that industry is as much a part of EVE as PVP, it might make it profitable again to build and sell stuff. Lets face it, it isn't now. I have industrial characters and also PVP ones and I enjoy the time I spend in this GAME doing both. Just my 2c worth.
Jun Pellion	Posted - 2011.01.27 16:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Jalen Mynar so, its almost that time again. Time for the hard core pvp dudes to gank unarmed ships in empire, blah blah, whinge whine etc. Indy people in Eve get a raw deal. you are not real players, cant pvp etc. but how would eve run for the "real" players without you? it would run i guess, but not quite as cheaply as it does now. so how about if a large chunk of the indy people turn it around and stop manufacturing stuff? dont put stuffz on the markets. build ships ammo mods etc, but do it for your corpies, ally members and friends. apart from making people realise that industry is as much a part of eve as pvp, it might make it profitable again to build and sell stuff. cos lets face it, it isnt now. i have indy characters and also pvp ones and i enjoy the time i spend in this GAME doing both. just my 2c worth. Yet another "Industrialists of the world unite" thread. Guess what? it ain't gonna happen for 3 reasons. 1) Once the production stops the prices start skyrocketing, and at that point everone will have their reserves ready and wait for the right time to sell out for a ****ton of isk. 2 days and the prices are back to normal. 2) Most PVPers have indy or trader alts they use for fueling their pvp expenses. 3) Big PvP alliances manufacture their own stuff. So basically, you haven't been the first to think about this and surely won't be the last. You're right there between thread 29456 and 29458.
SENTIENEL	Posted - 2011.01.27 17:43:00 - [4] I dont see Hulkageddon as part of the game. I see those people as Bullies at schools. They have same psychologic profile with bullies. While you are playing your game they come by you and they tried to destroy your game, they attempting to create or enforce you. Sameas bullying can be prevented by institutions in real life, in here it can be prevented by only CCP. union of miners, boycott of industrialist , all unrealistic plan. Frezee your subscription during Hulkageddon month. If every miner, or peeole who effected from hulkageddon do not renew their subscription during event, loss of subcribers force CCP to take action. They will only care numbers from accounting division. Im duing my share. -3 subs. if this number reaches hundrets thousands then there will be no more hulkagedon {quote=Enord Loej How about if a large chunk of the Industry people turn it around and stop manufacturing stuff? Don't put stuff on the markets. ... No , Building nothing doesnt effect market, especialy in a short time. Originally by: Jun Pellionj 3) Big PvP alliances manufacture their own stuff....[/quote This is not right. Most Hulkageddon gankers are not from big alliances. Usually small pirate groups.
Shakon	Posted - 2011.01.27 18:04:00 - [5] Edited by: Shakon on 27/01/2011 18:04:00 Hard core PvPers in Hulittbitte geddon? HHAHAHA right.. Its failed pvpers. I mean its extremely hard to go shoot a weaponless ship now isnt it. edited can i haze yer stuffz?
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.01.27 19:22:00 - [6] oh dear, oh dear. 3 whole accounts unsubbed (yeah right...). I'm sure your loss will be felt by all. A sad day indeed.
Pugzilla Black	Posted - 2011.01.27 20:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Jalen Mynar so, its almost that time again. Time for the hard core pvp dudes to gank unarmed ships in empire, blah blah, whinge whine etc. Indy people in Eve get a raw deal. you are not real players, cant pvp etc. but how would eve run for the "real" players without you? it would run i guess, but not quite as cheaply as it does now. so how about if a large chunk of the indy people turn it around and stop manufacturing stuff? dont put stuffz on the markets. build ships ammo mods etc, but do it for your corpies, ally members and friends. apart from making people realise that industry is as much a part of eve as pvp, it might make it profitable again to build and sell stuff. cos lets face it, it isnt now. i have indy characters and also pvp ones and i enjoy the time i spend in this GAME doing both. just my 2c worth. Will someone please explain why it's fun to blow up an unarmed ship whose owner is probably afk??? Pugz
Rubet Gold	Posted - 2011.01.27 20:13:00 - [8] I guess it is kinda like the way some people think it is a triumph to jump a drunken passed out chick after a party?
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.01.27 20:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Pugzilla Black Will someone please explain why it's fun to blow up an unarmed ship whose owner is probably afk??? Maybe this will help: Thoughts This is primarily an exercise in education, well if it were any one thing, that'd be it.
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2011.01.27 21:04:00 - [10] I just park my Hulk for the duration and play other games. Let the "PvP" players have their fun.
Jalen Mynar	Posted - 2011.01.27 21:54:00 - [11] i'm not knocking h/geddon, its part and parcel of the joy that is EvE. but for every offense there is an equal defence. if you want to mine thru the fun times, then you do so at your peril. And yes, i am hoping too much that people would "unite". The only way that ccp can change it is for people who violate concord rules in empire is to have their insurance voided, much like you or i would if we ran someone over or hit another car if we were ****ed. Same as i think that people like hi sec gankers, can flippers et al should flag as red to everyone. As in, if you saw some young scrote steal an old ladies handbag in the street, she may have the right to batter him, but is obviously incapable. I, for one, would be one of the first to show him the error of his ways, very possibly without any recourse for action from our law enforcment people. but gankage, geddon and any other form of scam, illegal act is part and parcel of the game. another 2c worth. (this is getting expensive)
Zircalla	Posted - 2011.01.27 21:59:00 - [12] Quote: The only way that ccp can change it is for people who violate concord rules in empire is to have their insurance voided I kind of like Hulkaggedon, but I think this would make sense regardless. Back when I started playing the game, I thought this was the case for a long time . Last time around, I actually 'killed' (survived and concord killed) a few would be gankers by 'super-tanking' a retriever (rigs and all ). Took down several cruisers before one came back and took a second attempt at me and succeeded. I suspect they were 'noob' gankers, but was still all in good fun, and my risk was minimal.
Commander Disarray	Posted - 2011.01.28 02:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Ana Vyr I just park my Hulk for the duration and play other games. Let the "PvP" players have their fun. This. This goddammit, this. Not even necessary to play other games. There's so much you can do in those two or three weeks. Yet miners will continue to mine and get ganked. It just doesn't make any sense.
News Group	Posted - 2011.01.28 03:19:00 - [14] I and my alts are industrial players and I fully support Hulkageddon. However, I sell Hulks. The true industrial player knows that destruction equals profit. We want those idiots out there blowing each other up so we can make more isk. I just park my hulks during Hulkageddon and find something else to do during that time, and there is plenty to do. Explosions in Eve = more isk for the carebear. So all you crazy pvpers get out there and blow somethng up!
Shakon	Posted - 2011.01.28 05:57:00 - [15] Lair it does not affect prices in any shape or form. Except for people speculating. As for tears thats funny.. So basiclly its for people that violate the rules bio massing characters after its over or who are so bad its the only ships they can kill. Will admit its funny having to put out a low SP toon just made to lure the gankers in cause they run at the site of character toons over a year old.
luvmehard	Posted - 2011.01.28 07:16:00 - [16] I am what you'd call a carebear. Every Hulkageddon costs me about 50-60M ISK. In the form of Thrashers, 280mm Howitzers, Sensor Boosters ans Gyrostabs. Everytime HG comes around it's time to poke the "bad alt" and have some fun. Stop whining, go out and SHOOT SOMETHING. It really is worth it.
WowThisGameIsAwesome	Posted - 2011.01.28 08:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Commander Disarray Originally by: Ana Vyr I just park my Hulk for the duration and play other games. Let the "PvP" players have their fun. There's so much you can do in those two or three weeks. What miner can do if he has only mining skills ? Do lvl 1 missions on T1 frig ? Oh joy
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.01.28 09:13:00 - [18] For all those of you comparing HG to being bullied let me say this: I was bullied at school, I didn't cry for someone to hold my hand, I manned up and dealt with it myself, so get a grip and stop expecting someone else to bubble wrap you. This is one of the reasons I started playing EVE in the first place, because they don't hold your hand like you're some pathetic 5 year old who can't cross the road on your own. And besides, it's a game, your hulk is just pixels, park it or risk it, the choice is simple. The pilots in HG aren't bullies, they're having some fun in a player organised event, which I applaud. Plus many miners out there seem to be oblivious to other parts of the game so HG educates them in certain aspects and perhaps, maybe makes them more situationally aware. Notice the bolded words there, I feel that events like HG provide a lot more fun for the community than a bunch of whiney babies sitting alone with their multiple alts in some belt. Take responsibility for your own actions, do not expect CCP to take care of everything for you. If you decide to take your expensive exhumer out during the event than that's your choice, nobody elses, yours alone so accept that. If you prefer not to undock in it, try joining in other aspects of the game, such as HG. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
Jun Pellion	Posted - 2011.01.28 09:18:00 - [19] Originally by: WowThisGameIsAwesome Originally by: Commander Disarray Originally by: Ana Vyr I just park my Hulk for the duration and play other games. Let the "PvP" players have their fun. There's so much you can do in those two or three weeks. What miner can do if he has only mining skills ? Do lvl 1 missions on T1 frig ? Oh joy Get a grip and get some more skills? Mining skills to get to a hulk can be completed in the trial time (almost). Get some industrialist skills and go manufacture, or take out an industrial and do some courier missions to reduce those refining costs. Or go explore. Or mine in missions. Or go sightseeing - there's lots of fun stuff in eve. Of course I park my hulk as well during HAG. This time I'll also park the freighter - that's kind of a bummer. But there's SO MUCH to do in eve! Insurance - I proposed this as well, but tbh I doubt it'll change much. The insurance for a dessy is what? 200k? People are GIVING AWAY billions - have you seen the prize list? There's no way to stop hulkageddon, the best you can do is have fun with it. Quote: Same as i think that people like hi sec gankers, can flippers et al should flag as red to everyone. As in, if you saw some young scrote steal an old ladies handbag in the street, she may have the right to batter him, but is obviously incapable. I, for one, would be one of the first to show him the error of his ways, very possibly without any recourse for action from our law enforcment people. And in a civilized country you'd be committing a crime. Not to mention you'd probably get battered. Let's not play big macho and deal with the game as it is. Oh... and HAG is one WEEK. not a MONTH. Where do you get your information? http://hulkageddon4.machine9.net/
Shakon	Posted - 2011.01.28 09:39:00 - [20] And your pvp skill are done in 1 hour at most. Why dont they nerf that? As i said out People Like Sergvthe idiot there like lieing on the forums to much. Mining with a group is Player organized yet he claims only his way is. Typical off Bullied 5 year olds who lie on forums how they stood up to the bullys way back when Hello I grew up on a reservation in the 60tys so cry me a river, Just because you suck at pvp so bad you hunt ships that cant fight back does not mean you have to Lie about it. Just tell the truth Your afraid to use a character that you cant bio mass cause some one will know who you are in the game and kill you back. Thats the people who do this event. People afraid to face retribution for it. Thats why they all use alternates most of which are Bio Massed against the rules of the game period.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.01.28 09:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Shakon And your pvp skill are done in 1 hour at most. Why dont they nerf that? As i said out People Like Sergvthe idiot there like lieing on the forums to much. Mining with a group is Player organized yet he claims only his way is. Typical off Bullied 5 year olds who lie on forums how they stood up to the bullys way back when Hello I grew up on a reservation in the 60tys so cry me a river, Just because you suck at pvp so bad you hunt ships that cant fight back does not mean you have to Lie about it. Just tell the truth Your afraid to use a character that you cant bio mass cause some one will know who you are in the game and kill you back. Thats the people who do this event. People afraid to face retribution for it. Thats why they all use alternates most of which are Bio Massed against the rules of the game period. I won't cry you a river at all, I can actually accept responsibility for my actions and don't act like a petulant child if I lose a few pixels on a screen. You're making a lot of assumptions too, one being that I'm actually part of the event, which I'm not and that because you associate my attitude towards lack of responsibility for your own actions to being a 'griefer' that I must be one. You suck at taking responsibility and enjoying the game, so cry me a river and I'll just ignore you because there are plenty of things you can do. Oh well, carry on as you were, you'll continue having a miserable time in this game if you expect someone else to take care of things for you. And just for your information, I didn't grow up to be a bully myself at all, in fact I've actually helped plenty of others who have been bullied and faced them down plenty of times so you're assumptions and generalisations are fallacious and quite laughable, much like your pathetic cry baby attitude. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
Jun Pellion	Posted - 2011.01.28 10:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Shakon Just tell the truth Your afraid to use a character that you cant bio mass cause some one will know who you are in the game and kill you back. Thats the people who do this event. People afraid to face retribution for it. Thats why they all use alternates most of which are Bio Massed against the rules of the game period. If you go look at the event page you'll find Helicity Boson, Zedrik Cayne, and many others - including established corps - that you can track down if you so wish. Of course ganking in hisec means you lose lotsa status so many decide to do it on a dedicated alt.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.01.28 10:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Jun Pellion Originally by: Shakon Just tell the truth Your afraid to use a character that you cant bio mass cause some one will know who you are in the game and kill you back. Thats the people who do this event. People afraid to face retribution for it. Thats why they all use alternates most of which are Bio Massed against the rules of the game period. If you go look at the event page you'll find Helicity Boson, Zedrik Cayne, and many others - including established corps - that you can track down if you so wish. Of course ganking in hisec means you lose lotsa status so many decide to do it on a dedicated alt. You won't convince those suffering from classic victim mentality. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
WowThisGameIsAwesome	Posted - 2011.01.28 11:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Jun Pellion Originally by: WowThisGameIsAwesome Originally by: Commander Disarray Originally by: Ana Vyr I just park my Hulk for the duration and play other games. Let the "PvP" players have their fun. There's so much you can do in those two or three weeks. What miner can do if he has only mining skills ? Do lvl 1 missions on T1 frig ? Oh joy Get a grip and get some more skills? Mining skills to get to a hulk can be completed in the trial time (almost). Get some industrialist skills and go manufacture, or take out an industrial and do some courier missions to reduce those refining costs. Or go explore. Or mine in missions. Or go sightseeing - there's lots of fun stuff in eve. Of course I park my hulk as well during HAG. This time I'll also park the freighter - that's kind of a bummer. But there's SO MUCH to do in eve! Insurance - I proposed this as well, but tbh I doubt it'll change much. The insurance for a dessy is what? 200k? People are GIVING AWAY billions - have you seen the prize list? There's no way to stop hulkageddon, the best you can do is have fun with it. Quote: Same as i think that people like hi sec gankers, can flippers et al should flag as red to everyone. As in, if you saw some young scrote steal an old ladies handbag in the street, she may have the right to batter him, but is obviously incapable. I, for one, would be one of the first to show him the error of his ways, very possibly without any recourse for action from our law enforcment people. And in a civilized country you'd be committing a crime. Not to mention you'd probably get battered. Let's not play big macho and deal with the game as it is. Oh... and HAG is one WEEK. not a MONTH. Where do you get your information? http://hulkageddon4.machine9.net/ Good luck competing with industrialist sharks with piles of researched BPOs , good luck scanning anything but maradeurs in poorly trained Heron . You can't just "switch" class in Eve , training takes time , enormous time to be succesfull and competitive in your trade so Hulkageddon simply shuts down the game for miners . Oh joy 2
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.01.28 11:55:00 - [25] This is part of the problem, the unwillingness to simply accept that as part of the game you either need to be more situationally aware or follow some other activities for a week while this event is happening. Myself and some corp mates actually decided to take a mining op out during last years HG event. We enjoyed testing different tactics to reduce the risk of us being caught and ganked in a belt, the problem solving actually made the preparation for the op interesting and the few ideas we came up with weren't hugely elaborate and probably would have helped had someone decided to land in the belt with the intent of taking out the barges. Instead of embracing the challenge or trying other aspects of the game, a lot of the miners making complaints are simply unwilling to make a few changes to increase their survivability or remove the chance of being a target entirely. As I recall, one of the main reasons HG began was to provide some fun for pilots while they attacked macro miners. It just happened that a lot of genuine players didn't pay attention to the events being advertised and continued thinking it couldn't happen to them and so they ended up on kill mails. Now if miners got a low sp alt and went out to take down a few macros themselves, they'd probably enjoy it and they'd end up with better profits because the bots wouldn't be influencing the market so much. But hey, it's much easier to just have the victim mentality instead of thinking your way around the situation, isn't it? ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
JohnPaulJones Caldari Valhalla Naval Corp	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:04:00 - [26] Quick someone call someone who cares! "A moments thought could have saved him but a moment is too long and thinking is a painfull process." Maybe use alternnate routes of travel and find systems out of the way to mine in or hidden belts. Think man think!
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:06:00 - [27] Originally by: JohnPaulJones Quick someone call someone who cares! "A moments thought could have saved him but a moment is too long and thinking is a painfull process." Maybe use alternnate routes of travel and find systems out of the way to mine in or hidden belts. Think man think! Precisely, it's not rocket science. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
Shakon	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:23:00 - [28] Edited by: Shakon on 28/01/2011 12:23:30 Only ones crying are you Ilite PvPers, Ill be sitting in a belt waiting like last time (97 concorded idiots 1 lost retreiver hahaha) Razgon in my corp got over 100 I can never catch up the dudes a gank magnet... ... Same thing as always if toons over 6 months old yall will leave. So im so worried. If your so dangerious look me up im just terrified. Just fly over to Stain at the moment.Headed back to watch the PVP that so hard to do and takes so much work plus thiers a 500 mil prize for who lures the most idiots in I want it this year dang Woman beat me last time... As for helliitcy and the rest you guys undock alot Which is what i find funny. But like i said last year yall get away with the helping of bi omassing toons by giving out BJs to the Yer master like good little pets(Fanboys if you like instead) Edited Can i haze yer stuffz?
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:45:00 - [29] You know I try to sympathise with most people and I have nothing against miners at all, I run mining ops in my own corp. I was trying to suggest ways for people to enjoy the game a bit more, stop feeling like a victim and do something different perhaps, spice up the game for them, but when they act like you, in other words a petulant 10 year old with spelling to match, I just give up. Have fun. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
Shakon	Posted - 2011.01.28 13:01:00 - [30] Edited by: Shakon on 28/01/2011 13:03:07 Your the one crying about being bullied and you want to call others children? HAHAHAHAHA OMG he doesnt spell very well in his third language. You learn more than one instead of being an idiot. get a friking life Dude. My only grief with the whole thing is the ones that sponsor it promote breaking of the rules with bio massing toons then claim it doesnt happen. They get away with it do t certain people at CCP who claimed all people in NPC corps where Rmts or that idiot who told us to target paint structures and cap ships so Cap torps would actually hit The sponsors always forget this game was CRAP when it first came out until they got PVE into it and for them its something to shoot because they cant handle real PvP. Simple as that. Otherwise this game wouldnt be rigged so in favor of griefers. Its rigged that way because thats the people with the least ability to adapt or think in a game. Case in point this event. How about hunting targets that fight back instead of the usual its to kill botter crap yall push every year. You want the botters Go to 0.0 where 1/2 of every allaince is bots.

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