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Jalen Mynar	Posted - 2011.01.27 16:02:00 - [1] so, its almost that time again. Time for the hard core pvp dudes to gank unarmed ships in empire, blah blah, whinge whine etc. Indy people in Eve get a raw deal. you are not real players, cant pvp etc. but how would eve run for the "real" players without you? it would run i guess, but not quite as cheaply as it does now. so how about if a large chunk of the indy people turn it around and stop manufacturing stuff? dont put stuffz on the markets. build ships ammo mods etc, but do it for your corpies, ally members and friends. apart from making people realise that industry is as much a part of eve as pvp, it might make it profitable again to build and sell stuff. cos lets face it, it isnt now. i have indy characters and also pvp ones and i enjoy the time i spend in this GAME doing both. just my 2c worth.
Enord Loej Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.01.27 16:23:00 - [2] Edited by: Enord Loej on 27/01/2011 16:23:55 Originally by: Jalen Mynar so, its almost that time again. Time for the hard core pvp dudes to gank unarmed ships in empire, blah blah, whinge whine etc. Indy people in Eve get a raw deal. you are not real players, cant pvp etc. but how would eve run for the "real" players without you? it would run i guess, but not quite as cheaply as it does now. so how about if a large chunk of the indy people turn it around and stop manufacturing stuff? dont put stuffz on the markets. build ships ammo mods etc, but do it for your corpies, ally members and friends. apart from making people realise that industry is as much a part of eve as pvp, it might make it profitable again to build and sell stuff. cos lets face it, it isnt now. i have indy characters and also pvp ones and i enjoy the time i spend in this GAME doing both. just my 2c worth. So, it's almost that time again. Time for the hard core pvp dudes to gank unarmed ships in empire, blah blah, whine whine etc. Industry people in EVE get a raw deal. You are not real players, can't PVP etc. But how would eve run for the "real" players without you? It would run I guess, but not quite as cheaply as it does now. How about if a large chunk of the Industry people turn it around and stop manufacturing stuff? Don't put stuff on the markets. Build ships ammo mods etc, but, do it for your corporation, alliance members, and friends. Apart from making people realize that industry is as much a part of EVE as PVP, it might make it profitable again to build and sell stuff. Lets face it, it isn't now. I have industrial characters and also PVP ones and I enjoy the time I spend in this GAME doing both. Just my 2c worth.
Jun Pellion	Posted - 2011.01.27 16:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Jalen Mynar so, its almost that time again. Time for the hard core pvp dudes to gank unarmed ships in empire, blah blah, whinge whine etc. Indy people in Eve get a raw deal. you are not real players, cant pvp etc. but how would eve run for the "real" players without you? it would run i guess, but not quite as cheaply as it does now. so how about if a large chunk of the indy people turn it around and stop manufacturing stuff? dont put stuffz on the markets. build ships ammo mods etc, but do it for your corpies, ally members and friends. apart from making people realise that industry is as much a part of eve as pvp, it might make it profitable again to build and sell stuff. cos lets face it, it isnt now. i have indy characters and also pvp ones and i enjoy the time i spend in this GAME doing both. just my 2c worth. Yet another "Industrialists of the world unite" thread. Guess what? it ain't gonna happen for 3 reasons. 1) Once the production stops the prices start skyrocketing, and at that point everone will have their reserves ready and wait for the right time to sell out for a ****ton of isk. 2 days and the prices are back to normal. 2) Most PVPers have indy or trader alts they use for fueling their pvp expenses. 3) Big PvP alliances manufacture their own stuff. So basically, you haven't been the first to think about this and surely won't be the last. You're right there between thread 29456 and 29458.
SENTIENEL	Posted - 2011.01.27 17:43:00 - [4] I dont see Hulkageddon as part of the game. I see those people as Bullies at schools. They have same psychologic profile with bullies. While you are playing your game they come by you and they tried to destroy your game, they attempting to create or enforce you. Sameas bullying can be prevented by institutions in real life, in here it can be prevented by only CCP. union of miners, boycott of industrialist , all unrealistic plan. Frezee your subscription during Hulkageddon month. If every miner, or peeole who effected from hulkageddon do not renew their subscription during event, loss of subcribers force CCP to take action. They will only care numbers from accounting division. Im duing my share. -3 subs. if this number reaches hundrets thousands then there will be no more hulkagedon {quote=Enord Loej How about if a large chunk of the Industry people turn it around and stop manufacturing stuff? Don't put stuff on the markets. ... No , Building nothing doesnt effect market, especialy in a short time. Originally by: Jun Pellionj 3) Big PvP alliances manufacture their own stuff....[/quote This is not right. Most Hulkageddon gankers are not from big alliances. Usually small pirate groups.
Shakon	Posted - 2011.01.27 18:04:00 - [5] Edited by: Shakon on 27/01/2011 18:04:00 Hard core PvPers in Hulittbitte geddon? HHAHAHA right.. Its failed pvpers. I mean its extremely hard to go shoot a weaponless ship now isnt it. edited can i haze yer stuffz?
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.01.27 19:22:00 - [6] oh dear, oh dear. 3 whole accounts unsubbed (yeah right...). I'm sure your loss will be felt by all. A sad day indeed.
Pugzilla Black	Posted - 2011.01.27 20:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Jalen Mynar so, its almost that time again. Time for the hard core pvp dudes to gank unarmed ships in empire, blah blah, whinge whine etc. Indy people in Eve get a raw deal. you are not real players, cant pvp etc. but how would eve run for the "real" players without you? it would run i guess, but not quite as cheaply as it does now. so how about if a large chunk of the indy people turn it around and stop manufacturing stuff? dont put stuffz on the markets. build ships ammo mods etc, but do it for your corpies, ally members and friends. apart from making people realise that industry is as much a part of eve as pvp, it might make it profitable again to build and sell stuff. cos lets face it, it isnt now. i have indy characters and also pvp ones and i enjoy the time i spend in this GAME doing both. just my 2c worth. Will someone please explain why it's fun to blow up an unarmed ship whose owner is probably afk??? Pugz
Rubet Gold	Posted - 2011.01.27 20:13:00 - [8] I guess it is kinda like the way some people think it is a triumph to jump a drunken passed out chick after a party?
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.01.27 20:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Pugzilla Black Will someone please explain why it's fun to blow up an unarmed ship whose owner is probably afk??? Maybe this will help: Thoughts This is primarily an exercise in education, well if it were any one thing, that'd be it.
Ana Vyr	Posted - 2011.01.27 21:04:00 - [10] I just park my Hulk for the duration and play other games. Let the "PvP" players have their fun.
Jalen Mynar	Posted - 2011.01.27 21:54:00 - [11] i'm not knocking h/geddon, its part and parcel of the joy that is EvE. but for every offense there is an equal defence. if you want to mine thru the fun times, then you do so at your peril. And yes, i am hoping too much that people would "unite". The only way that ccp can change it is for people who violate concord rules in empire is to have their insurance voided, much like you or i would if we ran someone over or hit another car if we were ****ed. Same as i think that people like hi sec gankers, can flippers et al should flag as red to everyone. As in, if you saw some young scrote steal an old ladies handbag in the street, she may have the right to batter him, but is obviously incapable. I, for one, would be one of the first to show him the error of his ways, very possibly without any recourse for action from our law enforcment people. but gankage, geddon and any other form of scam, illegal act is part and parcel of the game. another 2c worth. (this is getting expensive)
Zircalla	Posted - 2011.01.27 21:59:00 - [12] Quote: The only way that ccp can change it is for people who violate concord rules in empire is to have their insurance voided I kind of like Hulkaggedon, but I think this would make sense regardless. Back when I started playing the game, I thought this was the case for a long time . Last time around, I actually 'killed' (survived and concord killed) a few would be gankers by 'super-tanking' a retriever (rigs and all ). Took down several cruisers before one came back and took a second attempt at me and succeeded. I suspect they were 'noob' gankers, but was still all in good fun, and my risk was minimal.
Commander Disarray	Posted - 2011.01.28 02:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Ana Vyr I just park my Hulk for the duration and play other games. Let the "PvP" players have their fun. This. This goddammit, this. Not even necessary to play other games. There's so much you can do in those two or three weeks. Yet miners will continue to mine and get ganked. It just doesn't make any sense.
News Group	Posted - 2011.01.28 03:19:00 - [14] I and my alts are industrial players and I fully support Hulkageddon. However, I sell Hulks. The true industrial player knows that destruction equals profit. We want those idiots out there blowing each other up so we can make more isk. I just park my hulks during Hulkageddon and find something else to do during that time, and there is plenty to do. Explosions in Eve = more isk for the carebear. So all you crazy pvpers get out there and blow somethng up!
Shakon	Posted - 2011.01.28 05:57:00 - [15] Lair it does not affect prices in any shape or form. Except for people speculating. As for tears thats funny.. So basiclly its for people that violate the rules bio massing characters after its over or who are so bad its the only ships they can kill. Will admit its funny having to put out a low SP toon just made to lure the gankers in cause they run at the site of character toons over a year old.
luvmehard	Posted - 2011.01.28 07:16:00 - [16] I am what you'd call a carebear. Every Hulkageddon costs me about 50-60M ISK. In the form of Thrashers, 280mm Howitzers, Sensor Boosters ans Gyrostabs. Everytime HG comes around it's time to poke the "bad alt" and have some fun. Stop whining, go out and SHOOT SOMETHING. It really is worth it.
WowThisGameIsAwesome	Posted - 2011.01.28 08:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Commander Disarray Originally by: Ana Vyr I just park my Hulk for the duration and play other games. Let the "PvP" players have their fun. There's so much you can do in those two or three weeks. What miner can do if he has only mining skills ? Do lvl 1 missions on T1 frig ? Oh joy
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.01.28 09:13:00 - [18] For all those of you comparing HG to being bullied let me say this: I was bullied at school, I didn't cry for someone to hold my hand, I manned up and dealt with it myself, so get a grip and stop expecting someone else to bubble wrap you. This is one of the reasons I started playing EVE in the first place, because they don't hold your hand like you're some pathetic 5 year old who can't cross the road on your own. And besides, it's a game, your hulk is just pixels, park it or risk it, the choice is simple. The pilots in HG aren't bullies, they're having some fun in a player organised event, which I applaud. Plus many miners out there seem to be oblivious to other parts of the game so HG educates them in certain aspects and perhaps, maybe makes them more situationally aware. Notice the bolded words there, I feel that events like HG provide a lot more fun for the community than a bunch of whiney babies sitting alone with their multiple alts in some belt. Take responsibility for your own actions, do not expect CCP to take care of everything for you. If you decide to take your expensive exhumer out during the event than that's your choice, nobody elses, yours alone so accept that. If you prefer not to undock in it, try joining in other aspects of the game, such as HG. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
Jun Pellion	Posted - 2011.01.28 09:18:00 - [19] Originally by: WowThisGameIsAwesome Originally by: Commander Disarray Originally by: Ana Vyr I just park my Hulk for the duration and play other games. Let the "PvP" players have their fun. There's so much you can do in those two or three weeks. What miner can do if he has only mining skills ? Do lvl 1 missions on T1 frig ? Oh joy Get a grip and get some more skills? Mining skills to get to a hulk can be completed in the trial time (almost). Get some industrialist skills and go manufacture, or take out an industrial and do some courier missions to reduce those refining costs. Or go explore. Or mine in missions. Or go sightseeing - there's lots of fun stuff in eve. Of course I park my hulk as well during HAG. This time I'll also park the freighter - that's kind of a bummer. But there's SO MUCH to do in eve! Insurance - I proposed this as well, but tbh I doubt it'll change much. The insurance for a dessy is what? 200k? People are GIVING AWAY billions - have you seen the prize list? There's no way to stop hulkageddon, the best you can do is have fun with it. Quote: Same as i think that people like hi sec gankers, can flippers et al should flag as red to everyone. As in, if you saw some young scrote steal an old ladies handbag in the street, she may have the right to batter him, but is obviously incapable. I, for one, would be one of the first to show him the error of his ways, very possibly without any recourse for action from our law enforcment people. And in a civilized country you'd be committing a crime. Not to mention you'd probably get battered. Let's not play big macho and deal with the game as it is. Oh... and HAG is one WEEK. not a MONTH. Where do you get your information? http://hulkageddon4.machine9.net/
Shakon	Posted - 2011.01.28 09:39:00 - [20] And your pvp skill are done in 1 hour at most. Why dont they nerf that? As i said out People Like Sergvthe idiot there like lieing on the forums to much. Mining with a group is Player organized yet he claims only his way is. Typical off Bullied 5 year olds who lie on forums how they stood up to the bullys way back when Hello I grew up on a reservation in the 60tys so cry me a river, Just because you suck at pvp so bad you hunt ships that cant fight back does not mean you have to Lie about it. Just tell the truth Your afraid to use a character that you cant bio mass cause some one will know who you are in the game and kill you back. Thats the people who do this event. People afraid to face retribution for it. Thats why they all use alternates most of which are Bio Massed against the rules of the game period.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.01.28 09:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Shakon And your pvp skill are done in 1 hour at most. Why dont they nerf that? As i said out People Like Sergvthe idiot there like lieing on the forums to much. Mining with a group is Player organized yet he claims only his way is. Typical off Bullied 5 year olds who lie on forums how they stood up to the bullys way back when Hello I grew up on a reservation in the 60tys so cry me a river, Just because you suck at pvp so bad you hunt ships that cant fight back does not mean you have to Lie about it. Just tell the truth Your afraid to use a character that you cant bio mass cause some one will know who you are in the game and kill you back. Thats the people who do this event. People afraid to face retribution for it. Thats why they all use alternates most of which are Bio Massed against the rules of the game period. I won't cry you a river at all, I can actually accept responsibility for my actions and don't act like a petulant child if I lose a few pixels on a screen. You're making a lot of assumptions too, one being that I'm actually part of the event, which I'm not and that because you associate my attitude towards lack of responsibility for your own actions to being a 'griefer' that I must be one. You suck at taking responsibility and enjoying the game, so cry me a river and I'll just ignore you because there are plenty of things you can do. Oh well, carry on as you were, you'll continue having a miserable time in this game if you expect someone else to take care of things for you. And just for your information, I didn't grow up to be a bully myself at all, in fact I've actually helped plenty of others who have been bullied and faced them down plenty of times so you're assumptions and generalisations are fallacious and quite laughable, much like your pathetic cry baby attitude. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
Jun Pellion	Posted - 2011.01.28 10:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Shakon Just tell the truth Your afraid to use a character that you cant bio mass cause some one will know who you are in the game and kill you back. Thats the people who do this event. People afraid to face retribution for it. Thats why they all use alternates most of which are Bio Massed against the rules of the game period. If you go look at the event page you'll find Helicity Boson, Zedrik Cayne, and many others - including established corps - that you can track down if you so wish. Of course ganking in hisec means you lose lotsa status so many decide to do it on a dedicated alt.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.01.28 10:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Jun Pellion Originally by: Shakon Just tell the truth Your afraid to use a character that you cant bio mass cause some one will know who you are in the game and kill you back. Thats the people who do this event. People afraid to face retribution for it. Thats why they all use alternates most of which are Bio Massed against the rules of the game period. If you go look at the event page you'll find Helicity Boson, Zedrik Cayne, and many others - including established corps - that you can track down if you so wish. Of course ganking in hisec means you lose lotsa status so many decide to do it on a dedicated alt. You won't convince those suffering from classic victim mentality. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
WowThisGameIsAwesome	Posted - 2011.01.28 11:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Jun Pellion Originally by: WowThisGameIsAwesome Originally by: Commander Disarray Originally by: Ana Vyr I just park my Hulk for the duration and play other games. Let the "PvP" players have their fun. There's so much you can do in those two or three weeks. What miner can do if he has only mining skills ? Do lvl 1 missions on T1 frig ? Oh joy Get a grip and get some more skills? Mining skills to get to a hulk can be completed in the trial time (almost). Get some industrialist skills and go manufacture, or take out an industrial and do some courier missions to reduce those refining costs. Or go explore. Or mine in missions. Or go sightseeing - there's lots of fun stuff in eve. Of course I park my hulk as well during HAG. This time I'll also park the freighter - that's kind of a bummer. But there's SO MUCH to do in eve! Insurance - I proposed this as well, but tbh I doubt it'll change much. The insurance for a dessy is what? 200k? People are GIVING AWAY billions - have you seen the prize list? There's no way to stop hulkageddon, the best you can do is have fun with it. Quote: Same as i think that people like hi sec gankers, can flippers et al should flag as red to everyone. As in, if you saw some young scrote steal an old ladies handbag in the street, she may have the right to batter him, but is obviously incapable. I, for one, would be one of the first to show him the error of his ways, very possibly without any recourse for action from our law enforcment people. And in a civilized country you'd be committing a crime. Not to mention you'd probably get battered. Let's not play big macho and deal with the game as it is. Oh... and HAG is one WEEK. not a MONTH. Where do you get your information? http://hulkageddon4.machine9.net/ Good luck competing with industrialist sharks with piles of researched BPOs , good luck scanning anything but maradeurs in poorly trained Heron . You can't just "switch" class in Eve , training takes time , enormous time to be succesfull and competitive in your trade so Hulkageddon simply shuts down the game for miners . Oh joy 2
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.01.28 11:55:00 - [25] This is part of the problem, the unwillingness to simply accept that as part of the game you either need to be more situationally aware or follow some other activities for a week while this event is happening. Myself and some corp mates actually decided to take a mining op out during last years HG event. We enjoyed testing different tactics to reduce the risk of us being caught and ganked in a belt, the problem solving actually made the preparation for the op interesting and the few ideas we came up with weren't hugely elaborate and probably would have helped had someone decided to land in the belt with the intent of taking out the barges. Instead of embracing the challenge or trying other aspects of the game, a lot of the miners making complaints are simply unwilling to make a few changes to increase their survivability or remove the chance of being a target entirely. As I recall, one of the main reasons HG began was to provide some fun for pilots while they attacked macro miners. It just happened that a lot of genuine players didn't pay attention to the events being advertised and continued thinking it couldn't happen to them and so they ended up on kill mails. Now if miners got a low sp alt and went out to take down a few macros themselves, they'd probably enjoy it and they'd end up with better profits because the bots wouldn't be influencing the market so much. But hey, it's much easier to just have the victim mentality instead of thinking your way around the situation, isn't it? ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
JohnPaulJones Caldari Valhalla Naval Corp	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:04:00 - [26] Quick someone call someone who cares! "A moments thought could have saved him but a moment is too long and thinking is a painfull process." Maybe use alternnate routes of travel and find systems out of the way to mine in or hidden belts. Think man think!
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:06:00 - [27] Originally by: JohnPaulJones Quick someone call someone who cares! "A moments thought could have saved him but a moment is too long and thinking is a painfull process." Maybe use alternnate routes of travel and find systems out of the way to mine in or hidden belts. Think man think! Precisely, it's not rocket science. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
Shakon	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:23:00 - [28] Edited by: Shakon on 28/01/2011 12:23:30 Only ones crying are you Ilite PvPers, Ill be sitting in a belt waiting like last time (97 concorded idiots 1 lost retreiver hahaha) Razgon in my corp got over 100 I can never catch up the dudes a gank magnet... ... Same thing as always if toons over 6 months old yall will leave. So im so worried. If your so dangerious look me up im just terrified. Just fly over to Stain at the moment.Headed back to watch the PVP that so hard to do and takes so much work plus thiers a 500 mil prize for who lures the most idiots in I want it this year dang Woman beat me last time... As for helliitcy and the rest you guys undock alot Which is what i find funny. But like i said last year yall get away with the helping of bi omassing toons by giving out BJs to the Yer master like good little pets(Fanboys if you like instead) Edited Can i haze yer stuffz?
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.01.28 12:45:00 - [29] You know I try to sympathise with most people and I have nothing against miners at all, I run mining ops in my own corp. I was trying to suggest ways for people to enjoy the game a bit more, stop feeling like a victim and do something different perhaps, spice up the game for them, but when they act like you, in other words a petulant 10 year old with spelling to match, I just give up. Have fun. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
Shakon	Posted - 2011.01.28 13:01:00 - [30] Edited by: Shakon on 28/01/2011 13:03:07 Your the one crying about being bullied and you want to call others children? HAHAHAHAHA OMG he doesnt spell very well in his third language. You learn more than one instead of being an idiot. get a friking life Dude. My only grief with the whole thing is the ones that sponsor it promote breaking of the rules with bio massing toons then claim it doesnt happen. They get away with it do t certain people at CCP who claimed all people in NPC corps where Rmts or that idiot who told us to target paint structures and cap ships so Cap torps would actually hit The sponsors always forget this game was CRAP when it first came out until they got PVE into it and for them its something to shoot because they cant handle real PvP. Simple as that. Otherwise this game wouldnt be rigged so in favor of griefers. Its rigged that way because thats the people with the least ability to adapt or think in a game. Case in point this event. How about hunting targets that fight back instead of the usual its to kill botter crap yall push every year. You want the botters Go to 0.0 where 1/2 of every allaince is bots.
Lederstrumpf	Posted - 2011.01.28 13:12:00 - [31] Edited by: Lederstrumpf on 28/01/2011 13:13:11 Originally by: Jalen Mynar how about if a large chunk of the indy people turn it around and stop manufacturing There's financial profit to be made from Hulkageddon. Reducing the fountains of minerals and production alike opens up business opportunities. And exactly those opportunities are one of the key driving forces to have Hulkageddon reappear without much of an organized effort against it. "You're so wrong, let me explain...." The worrying thing is: The same mechanics seem to apply for real life war scenarios.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.01.28 13:34:00 - [32] Edited by: Serge Bastana on 28/01/2011 13:35:03 Originally by: Shakon Edited by: Shakon on 28/01/2011 13:03:07 Your the one crying about being bullied and you want to call others children? HAHAHAHAHA OMG he doesnt spell very well in his third language. You learn more than one instead of being an idiot. get a friking life Dude. My only grief with the whole thing is the ones that sponsor it promote breaking of the rules with bio massing toons then claim it doesnt happen. They get away with it do t certain people at CCP who claimed all people in NPC corps where Rmts or that idiot who told us to target paint structures and cap ships so Cap torps would actually hit First of all learn to read, that might help, I mentioned I was bullied at school and dealt with it without having someone do it for me. The word bully has been used many times in this thread and others and I was merely attempting to illustrate that you do better by standing up and dealing with the situation rather than sitting around crying. I've lost ships in many ways since I started playing a couple of years ago, I've never cried about it, they're just pixels, who cares. And as for the inability to adapt or think in the game, perhaps try re reading what I said in previous posts here. It's the ones that cry out to CCP to stop this happening that are the least capable of problem solving, my corp mates and I spent a few nights trying out different ways to give us more chance of escaping a belt ganking if ships showed up, we accepted that they could and possibly would and took measures to reduce the risk. It can be done if you take a bit of time to consider the problem. I also mentioned that one of the reasons HG happens is because of the number of bots out mining and hauling. If players took a bit of care, checked local and such then they would be less of a target than the mindless macros. There are plenty of bots out there and if they are the only viable targets then that helps real miners by interrupting the bots' ability to supply the market with ore, thus perhaps raising the price some, which results in more ISK in the wallets of real players. It's everyone's choice to be a target, nobody is forcing you to be out in those belts, afk and waiting for someone to gank you. We chose to take a mining op out last year during the event and were ready in case any HG pilots showed up. The macros in the next belt would have been easier targets. You obviously seem convinced that everything is someone else's fault, which seems to be the way of things thesdays. Far easier to say it's because someone else is a griefer, which is incorrect if you actually bothered to go find out, but you won't since your happy with your misconceptions and fallacious way of viewing the situation. Happy trails. The sponsors always forget this game was CRAP when it first came out until they got PVE into it and for them its something to shoot because they cant handle real PvP. Simple as that. Otherwise this game wouldnt be rigged so in favor of griefers. Its rigged that way because thats the people with the least ability to adapt or think in a game. Case in point this event. How about hunting targets that fight back instead of the usual its to kill botter crap yall push every year. You want the botters Go to 0.0 where 1/2 of every allaince is bots. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
Golanik	Posted - 2011.01.28 13:35:00 - [33] I just wonder how many Hulkageddons there will be before some people quit whining about it and making futile attempts at boycotts. It's part of EVE now. It's fun for gankers and lucrative for miners who stockpile minerals, and a good motivator to try other aspects of the game for those who primarily mine and haul. Besides, it only lasts a week and a half or so. I know internet spaceships are serious business, but you'll survive this, I promise.
Velicitia Open Designs	Posted - 2011.01.28 14:07:00 - [34] I knew I should've stockpiled crap ships before this... maybe there's still enough time to catch the spike in demand for these gank-fits... will have to check contract market to see if there are any researched prints left Note that i'm a miner/indy pilot myself, so yeah, HAG puts a dent in my plans for about 2-4 weeks (depending on mineral speculation)... but meh, if I can move enough stuff for profit fast enough during the event, that won't hurt so bad. also, for you miners who think this is a bad thing (tm), here's an off the top of my head list of other things that you can do: 1. mission with mates and salvage/loot the wrecks 1a. use standing gains after HAG for better refining taxes 2. PI 3. rat 4. W-space (with mates) 5. hidden belts (might be a good idea to bring mates) 6. join in! 7. ??? 8. PROFIT! So, 30 seconds of thinking and I've got 5-6 easily viable options to get through this. TL;DR -- HTFU and profit from this
My Postman	Posted - 2011.01.28 15:10:00 - [35] Only thing what would stop this event would be if CCP takes appropriate action agains biomassing alts for security loss with a (temp) banhammer. Cmon ppl, i know its done, you know its done, CCP knows it, but wait.....nothing happens? This tells us what? Other thing what SURE would work is if many miners/idustrialists freeze their account for one month (while HG IV), as one of the above posters said. When RL money comes into play it¦s serious stuff for ccp and they won¦t let Helicity (or anybody else) let go. But sure as that, this won¦t happen. So, what to do? Easymode... Buy Hulks over the rest of the year and sell above 200m Buy Catalysts, Thrashers and sell while HG for profit. Buy gankfit modules over the year, sell while HG for profit. Get out your Domi/Raven/Nightmare/Rattler/CNR and do L4¦s for 11 days. And don¦t forget they have "haulers" this time on their list. Stockpile Iteron 3 - 5 and wait for profit. And a massive sea of tears on forums.
Sanadras Riahn	Posted - 2011.01.28 15:16:00 - [36] Man, the tears that are present surrounding this event are just tremendous... I, personally, am impressed that huge player events like this are possible in EVE Online, and I'm glad CCP sanctions these types of things. It helps to keep the spirit of "No really, dude. You could die at any moment in this game" alive. I'm a newcomer with skills for nothing but mining. You know what I plan on doing during Hulkageddon? Park the miner, freeze the training for a bit and dust off the Frigate I've got in my ships list. Train a few combat skills, do some missions, go exploring a bit. You all should be GLAD this type of thing happens, because if it didn't, you'd never see anything but rocks all day! My Rifter thanks you for your kind contribution to society, Helicity.
Dorian Wylde	Posted - 2011.01.28 15:21:00 - [37] Replying as an industrialist who supports Hulkageddon because I'm smart enough to realize that it's destruction that drives the economy. Chiefly, it's the destruction of hulks that my corp makes that causes my wallet to fatten up nicely during these events. If nothing is being destroyed, no one would buy anything, and the builders don't make money. Instead of whining about hulkageddon, you should be whining that there aren't similar events for every ship type.
Shakon	Posted - 2011.01.28 16:49:00 - [38] Industrialist ? This event does nothing. Its to small. It just aggravates me that they Lie what its for. Then lie about people breaking the rules to do it. THEN use alternates to lie saying Industrialist will profit? They will profit no matter what and not because this event. These same people want industrialist OUT of the game period. AH well no use talking to fanboys and alternates of such. After 7 years on different toons i should realize its the same people lieing over and over.
Janina Truthful	Posted - 2011.01.28 16:55:00 - [39] Yes! Tears! Give us your schweet tears! MOAR!
Mike Ant	Posted - 2011.01.28 17:34:00 - [40] if you really want to stop people from killing your hulks get into a crop and fleet up with some people who can defend your ass. My corp ( well ex-xorp ) had a defense system where we kicked ass if needed. so stop ****ing conplaining. CORPS ARE MADE FOR A REASON. Plus im a t2 ship builder and i need money
Shakon	Posted - 2011.01.28 17:49:00 - [41] Edited by: Shakon on 28/01/2011 17:52:28 Dude i been killing **** ants like you for 7 years... Hell i only do industry for 1 reason. First started game i complained about how hard it was to get a cruiser.. there where no BCs. Then came BCs and more isk needed. A Guy i was fussing with in chat goes well build our own dang ships. I now build everything in my ships except certain things you cant officer mods etc... And lately invention isnt working worth crap may have o buy t2 stuff to fill in losses on PvP account. Plus it feels so much better using a ship you built from scratch it actually means something. So why dont you get off your ass and make me shut up!War decks are for a reason!
WowThisGameIsAwesome	Posted - 2011.01.28 22:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Sanadras Riahn Man, the tears that are present surrounding this event are just tremendous... I, personally, am impressed that huge player events like this are possible in EVE Online, and I'm glad CCP sanctions these types of things. It helps to keep the spirit of "No really, dude. You could die at any moment in this game" alive. I'm a newcomer with skills for nothing but mining. You know what I plan on doing during Hulkageddon? Park the miner, freeze the training for a bit and dust off the Frigate I've got in my ships list. Train a few combat skills, do some missions, go exploring a bit. You all should be GLAD this type of thing happens, because if it didn't, you'd never see anything but rocks all day! My Rifter thanks you for your kind contribution to society, Helicity. So you need your ass kicked to move on . Nice motivation .
raney ilara	Posted - 2011.01.28 23:38:00 - [43] Edited by: raney ilara on 28/01/2011 23:39:23 Originally by: Janina Truthful Yes! Tears! Give us your schweet tears! MOAR! I don't give a crap about the tears.. I like to sit in my lawn chair during the event and laugh and the pvpers flying into my system as they slobber on themselves. lol
Jalen Mynar	Posted - 2011.01.28 23:59:00 - [44] ok, so question. something i was looking forward to. in this funtime that is hulkageddon, if i get ganked spanked or otherwise pwned, that would, by the rules of the game, give me kill rights on whichever super duper pvp'r shoots at my lowly miner? providing i dont call in my uber lite drones or fight back in any shape or form. therefore, after this awsome event is done and dusted, i should then be free to wile away my eve time chasing about and trying to shoot at the bad boyz that shot me. so assuming i am not just a miner, i can haz some empire fun?
Rebethecca	Posted - 2011.01.29 00:01:00 - [45] I see this event as players trying to interact with others, with the latter parties being unwilling to modify their play style to react to adversity. Why is there this expectation that people should be able to mine in a figurative vacuum (as well as a literal one)? Why should miners be insulated from every shred of adversity?
Joe Rockpounder	Posted - 2011.01.29 00:22:00 - [46] More rox for me.
Mira Robinson Arkons of Myth	Posted - 2011.01.29 03:57:00 - [47] What with this being the 4th HG, and suicide ganking in general, what astounds me is that CCP hasn't eliminated insurance payouts on CONCORD interventions. You'd think they'd do that. It would make it much more realistic, and might make a minuscule dent in ganking. ----------------------------- Welcome to EVE. Ship happens.
Nikki ThePink	Posted - 2011.01.29 09:06:00 - [48] wasn't hulkagedon started 2/3 years ago when CCP was failing to deal with macro miners? If your not a macro miner then dont moan just dotn mien on the day of carnage its not liek its a surprise attack they advertise it publicaly when its going to happen. The purpose of it is not to gank indy pilots, (whilst fun its nto the main focus) its to flush out attacks on macro miner which make eve prices lower for everyoen so in fact by killing macro miners, there actually making the prices go up for you indy pilots as there is less supply lines haha. My 2 cents worth, brign on the flames
WowThisGameIsAwesome	Posted - 2011.01.29 12:07:00 - [49] Originally by: Jalen Mynar ok, so question. something i was looking forward to. in this funtime that is hulkageddon, if i get ganked spanked or otherwise pwned, that would, by the rules of the game, give me kill rights on whichever super duper pvp'r shoots at my lowly miner? providing i dont call in my uber lite drones or fight back in any shape or form. therefore, after this awsome event is done and dusted, i should then be free to wile away my eve time chasing about and trying to shoot at the bad boyz that shot me. so assuming i am not just a miner, i can haz some empire fun? That's why our brave kamikaze reprocess their ganker alts , so they won't face even theoretical fightback .
Tiffis	Posted - 2011.01.29 12:53:00 - [50] Hulkageddon is easily avoided or the damage done to you reduced miners, if you use your brain.
Lightnin	Posted - 2011.01.30 01:45:00 - [51] yea i got in the hulkadum 3 event back in the summer i was hearing all about it in the mining chat while of course mining in my hulk, that i had for three years so there is was reading and daydreaming and lo and behold up came a small ship, just flying around doing nothing just checking me out now that I know set a bookmark on me and left, had my drones out still reading the chat about hulkadumIES, baamm here he comes dropping in right on top of me throwing out drones firing his guns on me lite me up red and about the time i thought i was toats the concord fell in and my drones did him in, with concords help picked up his drones and can, loaded my drones up turned and went back to base, my ship had 10% hull left did learn a d** thing from that, fixed my ship and went right back to the same asteroid belt and started mining again hard headed and not a quick learner, hulkadum ship #2 can back and this time he got me you know i was not all that mad just could not figure out why he did it or why it is done, but i can tell you this the insurance on a hulk does not cover the cost, CCP needs to up the insurance payoff for what a hulk cost nowdays 35 ISK for a 165 ISK hulk is bad really bad, give me some insurance to cover the cost of a hulk, i am not mad just get me another hulk and lets party hulkadumyes CCP needs to up the insurance permiums in platnuim
WowThisGameIsAwesome	Posted - 2011.01.30 11:44:00 - [52] CCP needs just to rename the Hulk . Name "Hulk" obviously doesn't fit.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.01.30 12:02:00 - [53] Originally by: Mira Robinson What with this being the 4th HG, and suicide ganking in general, what astounds me is that CCP hasn't eliminated insurance payouts on CONCORD interventions. You'd think they'd do that. It would make it much more realistic, and might make a minuscule dent in ganking. I agree completely with this post, if you were to go back and read my various postings over the past Hulkageddons you will note I talk about this many, many, many times. It's nonsensical that we get insurance payouts for suicide ganks. Though the removal of payouts will still not stop it, just make it more costly (And let's be honest here, all it takes is one dumbass with a faction shield booster on his hulk to set up with enough dessies for thirty more ganks). I am however carefully optimistic reading some of the posts in this thread, it seems that slowly but surely my attempts to educate new eden about the evils of a false sense of entitlement are beginning to pay off. We might just achieve something here.
WowThisGameIsAwesome	Posted - 2011.01.30 13:08:00 - [54] How faction or even officer shield booster going to help against alfa-strike ?
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.01.30 14:55:00 - [55] Originally by: WowThisGameIsAwesome How faction or even officer shield booster going to help against alfa-strike ? answer: it doesnt. Just an example of how poorly people understand the game.
Fouljin	Posted - 2011.01.30 17:25:00 - [56] When Hulkageddon starts, I can do 2 things: 1. I put buffertank to my hulk and orca and max the resists. I also bring 2 buffertanked RR domis to the mining site and continue mining..... (Solo miners can easily put up a mining group and work together and even hire RR battleships to the mining site.) 2. I park my mining gear to station and fit few discoDomis and go hunting with other hulkageddon gankers! Or go mission, explore, what ever! What ever I do, it's my choice! ps: I have been playing eve since 2006 and I use 2 - 4 toons on different accounts. I can do fast lvl 4 missions with 2 - 3 toons or mine belts away fast with Orca and bunch of hulks. Even my main industrial toon has now some combat skills as they wont take that long to train. I all you know about eve is sit on belt and shoot them lazorz to rocks you are missing big portion of eve! Cheers! -- Don't forget to salt the fries! Roses are #FF0000, Violets are ##0000FF, all my base are belong to you...
Shakon	Posted - 2011.01.30 18:13:00 - [57] Edited by: Shakon on 30/01/2011 18:13:04 I agree how you poorly understand the game

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