Whole FW is easier when you realize that FW is more than fight in one system.

Amarr has always had same problem, they try to fight for one or two systems at same time.

If you attack whole area at same time, no one is going to blob all of you, some of you may get raped but others can do their job freely.

Because up until recently, Amarr had to use gangs to plex anything other than minor's.

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Farmville in lowsec it may be, but there's a lot to be said for being on the Amarr militia side right now.

- you can undock, fly one or two jumps, hit d-scan and make buttloads of LP's with a capstable orbiting toon. Then complain you can't do massive "tier 5 push" like Minmatar which is to say, you can make much more, easier, just convert it to ISK at a lower ratio. Waah.
- you can cry like a baby about how the minmatar are OP/heartless joykillers/winning/fags/losers/better than you. Waah.
- you can undock and fly anywhere and find a person to blow up, confident 70% of minmatar are farmer alts scraping LP together for the next "big push to T5" (mentioned every 2 minutes BY LAW in Militia chat, I swear to god), or sitting in Hek/Rens/Bosboger AFK, so the people actually undocked are looking for a fight. Waah.
- you can blob like all get-out and claim "its the only way we can win". Waah.
- Eve-O forums are your great elephant burial ground for all your failings in life.

Waah.

5) Eve forums are the only place you fight really. You cant delete post and send 2x more posters.

Farmville in lowsec it may be, but there's a lot to be said for being on the Amarr militia side right now.

- you can undock, fly one or two jumps, hit d-scan and make buttloads of LP's with a capstable orbiting toon. Then complain you can't do massive "tier 5 push" like Minmatar which is to say, you can make much more, easier, just convert it to ISK at a lower ratio. Waah.
- you can cry like a baby about how the minmatar are OP/heartless joykillers/winning/fags/losers/better than you. Waah.
- you can undock and fly anywhere and find a person to blow up, confident 70% of minmatar are farmer alts scraping LP together for the next "big push to T5" (mentioned every 2 minutes BY LAW in Militia chat, I swear to god), or sitting in Hek/Rens/Bosboger AFK, so the people actually undocked are looking for a fight. Waah.
- you can blob like all get-out and claim "its the only way we can win". Waah.
- Eve-O forums are your great elephant burial ground for all your failings in life.

Waah.

Because up until recently, Amarr had to use gangs to plex anything other than minor's.

We harbingers of justice, light and goodwill towards man were not thrust into the war with a silver spoon in our mouths like the three other sides were .. we've had to actually work for our gains.
Of course now its just a Farm War so it makes little if any difference, but I fully expect the divide'n'conquor paradigm to be used when/if things change and Amarr get to keep the ability to plex on even terms with all the Slaves-in-Waiting.

Im sure everyone is starting to see the writing thats been on the wall for 6 months, finally.

Lets sum this all up shall we.

CCP make it ALL about the isk and systems

CCP make it easy for a 1 day alt to not only make A HUGE AMOUNT of isk but also slap years old fw pvpers in the face with lockouts doing pve

CCP also add a nice bonus to winners who can farm missions once they have done all the plexes/systems.

Players start joining "winning side" set out by the one with most systems before inferno patch hit

Players start leaving losing side for no isk and poorer pvp

Players start leaving winning side for lack of good pvp

EVE realises that one day alt isk printing leading to main assisted lvl 4 farming makes insane money for little effort against few pvpers/pirates

FW dies and shrivels into isk alts and die hard pvpers that either dont need the isk, or are farming the other side themselves.

Nice job ccp.

really well ******* done.

The bit that really hurts is EVERYONE told you this was going to happen 2-3 months BEFORE the patch. Thats bad stuff ccp, as a 9 year old addict im very disappointed. When i come to the ten year fanfest devs can buy ME a beer :P

FW was already dead before inferno.

They have posted Winter upgrade ideas in the F&I section. Highlights:

More, better upgrades. At upgrade 5 - temporary one use cyno jammer.
300k to upgrade a system rather then 150k.
Fee to upgrading based on system control. The fee is 75% when you control the majority of the systems. This means it costs 1.2 million LP for Minmatar to raise a system to 5.
LP store prices are constant. WZC affects how fast you earn LP.
Tier 1 - 50%. Tier 2 - normal. Up to Tier 5 - 200%.
Slower upgrade bleed out. 10% per plex rather then the current 50%.
Defensive plex LP. Based on % contested of system. Max 75%.

They have posted Winter upgrade ideas in the F&I section. Highlights:

More, better upgrades. At upgrade 5 - temporary one use cyno jammer.
300k to upgrade a system rather then 150k.
Fee to upgrading based on system control. The fee is 75% when you control the majority of the systems. This means it costs 1.2 million LP for Minmatar to raise a system to 5.
LP store prices are constant. WZC affects how fast you earn LP.
Tier 1 - 50%. Tier 2 - normal. Up to Tier 5 - 200%.
Slower upgrade bleed out. 10% per plex rather then the current 50%.
Defensive plex LP. Based on % contested of system. Max 75%.

so hand over the reigns from the 1 day no gun plex alts, to the lvl 4 farm alts?

GG

it was fun while it was fun....

I see nothing but good stuff in the proposals. The gravy train is over. Tier 4 will be the new tier 5. I think Susan Black quoted 6 million LP to upgrade for a spike. That number is now 24 million LP. But really - there will be no spikes anymore. You earn a reflection of where you're at. A system will have to be contested to 50% before all upgrades would be stripped. The upgrades are more robust for industrialists, especially if the devs follow up on their hints to cut high sec efficiency.

More, better upgrades. At upgrade 5 - temporary one use cyno jammer.

...alts for farming are leaving us too. *sigh*

dare i say reset?

cus if there isnt one, its going to be an even slower version of inferno domination all over again. sigh.

Haha its not like you ever had t4 or anything, reset whine best whine.

I would absolutely hate a reset. It would be a slap in the face. Let's examine some of the content that's been generated since Inferno:

• Amarr killed a Minmatar Carrier pilot who undocked in Kourm before realizing his militia had lost the system. It was a juicy kill and great drama.

• Susan Black and Poetic Stan both crowed about how Minmatar were going to get a medal for conquering all the systems. A group of diehard Aussie pilots in Sahtogas pretty much said, "**** you, you shall not pass." Absolutely amazing.

• Agony Empire lost all of their belongings within hours of joining FW. They dug deep and reqconquered Kamela within a week. Cue Eye of the Tiger music.

• On the other side of the coin, Minmatar militia absolutely humiliated a nullsec alliance that wanted some quick coin. I think all of us smiled a little.

I want to be in the final push to take Huola. I want to be there when the tide turns. (I was there.. facepalm) What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of Ninlarra! Winter promises to bring 90% of what we want. The LP isk fountain is being reigned in. You have to kill all the NPC's in a plex for the counter to move. You can survive even on Tier One. Plexes will be about PvP more then PvE. If you think missions will still be a problem - go post in the F&I thread as I did that you think so. That's the place to put it.