And Lost Obsession are happily awoxing the last few Amarr that stayed to fight. :(

wtb: game changing blob

Amarr tears are DELICIOUS. I almost want to lick your face.

Maybe Muad is really a secret Minmatar plant designed to make the Amarr look and sound like pissy tweens.




We all agree the mechanics are borked; get over yourself.

Maybe Muad is really a secret Minmatar plant designed to make the Amarr look and sound like pissy tweens.




We all agree the mechanics are borked; get over yourself.

And Lost Obsession are happily awoxing the last few Amarr that stayed to fight. :(

- no LP payout for vulnerable systems
- timer runs backwards if you leave the flag of a plex
- requirement to kill all NPCs in a plex
- no missions in friendly space

in the hope that someone actualy reading this threads:

FW damage control:

italics

Disclaimer:

we dont actually.

i whine because (as many old minmatar will agree) i remember a time when we faught BC and BS battles weekly just because and we liked it, now the isk factor is the goal all is lost.

ccp turned pvp for pvps sake into isk whoring because, you are stupid if you dont. pvp is gone.

True and that leads to lame things like this...


http://kb.ushrakhan.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14384099

Maybe Muad is really a secret Minmatar plant designed to make the Amarr look and sound like pissy tweens.




We all agree the mechanics are borked; get over yourself.

come over to Amarr Militia and see how it is, then i'll let you talk smack.

Cause it's easy not to care when the problem ain't yours! x_x'

The problems is ours.. After we get a shiney medal.. we will be bored!

True and that leads to lame things like this...


http://kb.ushrakhan.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14384099

why not join minnie if amarr are fail

At the risk of sounding serious for a second, imagine CCP in their infinite wizdom release an "improved" mechanic for Nullsec:

• Rats in 0.0 no longer give bounty drops or sec increases.
• Players have to run sanctums for 24-48 hrs before SBU's become anchorable.
• All bounties payable will be held in the Ihub and released once the system has changed hands.
• Each player is taxed on the bounties accrued for each system held by their alliance.

Sounds fun? Not to me.

Fix this rubbish CCP.

This.

which part about pvp did you not get?

not everyone in eve cares about isk. I like to have fun when i log in. and soon that wont be in fw. which makes me sad.

Not like I had respect for you anyway, but the theatrical forum foot stomping and waving arms round while bawling makes me respect you even less.

Anyway it sucks that fweddit nulli and wbr have left, we have no wt's and Minnies will start to hemorage pvp pilots and all that will be left is farmers.

we dont actually.

i whine because (as many old minmatar will agree) i remember a time when we faught BC and BS battles weekly just because and we liked it, now the isk factor is the goal all is lost.

ccp turned pvp for pvps sake into isk whoring because, you are stupid if you dont. pvp is gone.

True and that leads to lame things like this...


http://kb.ushrakhan.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14384099

Amarr had lot of systems, but after they got those, they already decided that they can not keep those.

So why to whine that CCP ruined everything? FW is going just as amarr wanted.

Not like I had respect for you anyway, but the theatrical forum foot stomping and waving arms round while bawling makes me respect you even less.

Grow up, FW is better than it was before the latest iteration (but still needs work) and you're just a tantrum throwing child because you cant sit on Auga station all day playing low risk instapop docking games anymore.

People like you make FW worse not better so please do leave and don't flatter yourself that your opinion of FW matters. There are many others I could name also falling into this category, but at least they're not starting crap threads everywhere unlike you.

Cheers.

Please do.

all i get from logging in these days is anally raped.

Id kill for some face lickage

This, the fights of old used to mean a lot more and we were often fighting over a plex which gave us nothing more than maybe a fraction closer to flipping a system, the quote " Why you pointing me son, I'm not running " was born in this era.

Yep we are losing and maybe even close to total defeat and it hurts like hell to think it so but I and many others are done trying to stop the hordes of gunless t1 frigs and who not even wait anymore to see you on overview before running, just land on acc gate and they warp off. If those alt's want those lp's so much have the ******* things, just remember when you crowing over victory and just before you realise you got no targets about the help CCP gave you all over the years to achieve it and make sure you thank them all for it.

Yes I am bitter, yes I whine and yes you can have my stuff from my cold dead hands, I will be with it in Sahtogas when it falls dreaming of the glory days of FW and the brutal fights over worthless plex or gate.






I know if we all lp whored like minnie's we can all have pod's like this.......

its been a lot of hard work for alot of us...

Oh ofcause you are completely correct, I see the error of our ways. Let us all join minmatar & see who can be the riches, who cares about pvp anyway right!!!?? =D

But I am curious... you mention it still needs work? Can you please be more percific?

Now all minmatar has to do is take over every single system and then after that, No more offensive plexes to farm.

A final blow and a destruction to Fwarmville.

No, minmatar alts come and farm gallente space, then caldari alts farm minmatar space, then minmatar alts farm ... wait im lost.

Not to mention this: http://imgur.com/a/oUUXy#71

but I guess certain corps just like basing out of highsec or non FW lowsec...yes that is a sleight to Amarr (sorry)

Now all minmatar has to do is take over every single system and then after that, No more offensive plexes to farm.

A final blow and a destruction to Fwarmville.

the only reason im being so vocal about this is: no one else seems to care when i know for a fact FW used to be the reason hundreds of people logged into eve to face, for fun.

i wont let fw pvp die without a fight, if the only angle i have left is the forum so be it, but im not crying for myself or my isk, its for the reason that FW was amazing fun before infernos isk fountain hit, i miss those random fights over nothing.

RIP fw hopefully ccp will realise 6 months for a database tweak is stupidly down syndromy while players and their alts hang in the balance.

bad show ccp, we gave you so much as you defecate in our faces :(

My computer exploded as I read the part that I quoted.

amarr are now desperately low on pvpers and alts for farming are leaving us too.

No docking in systems not owned by your 'team', the isk fountains attracting alts galore to the 'winning' side have finally gripped so tight fw is now almost all about the isk, pvp is dead.

grats ccp, we all told you this would happen, i hope you are happy to ruin what was fun for a few thousand players, into incursion style isk farming blobs for a few thousand more. I hope your sov test worked ccp, because it came at a cost of totally stabbing fw fun in the face.

yes im still unhappy, no you still cant have my stuff and yes thats still because i cant get access to it.

QQ, sincerely muad pissy dib.

*sigh*

I'm going to make this as focused and logical as possible. I know no matter what I type here you are going to cry like a ***** like you usually do but I firmly believe that at the end of the day common sense and logic prevails over the whines.

CCP killed amarr/minnie fun you say? I present the following link: http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=home&m=4&y=2012

Thats the month of april 2012 a total of 5373 ships killed and lost

Inferno and the FW changes went into effect May 24th. The following link is the same killboard for the month of July (I didnt use the june KB as it is seriously skewed due to the goontard exploitation and therefore would not make an accurate arguement):

http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=home&m=7&y=2012

Month of July for a total of 15090. Thats over a 290% increase in pvp activity. We pvp damn near 300% MORE now than before the patch. What the **** are you talking about? Oh I know what you are talking about. Your corp is ****, anyone who was remotely good left, your booster alt got shat on and podded, you live in pos in auga like a space hillbilly living in a trailer, and your militia that smack so hard half the corps left in the last week.

HTFU or leave.

I'm going to make this as focused and logical as possible. I know no matter what I type here you are going to cry like a ***** like you usually do but I firmly believe that at the end of the day common sense and logic prevails over the whines.

CCP killed amarr/minnie fun you say? I present the following link: http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=home&m=4&y=2012

Thats the month of april 2012 a total of 5373 ships killed and lost

Inferno and the FW changes went into effect May 24th. The following link is the same killboard for the month of July (I didnt use the june KB as it is seriously skewed due to the goontard exploitation and therefore would not make an accurate arguement):

http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=home&m=7&y=2012

Month of July for a total of 15090. Thats over a 290% increase in pvp activity. We pvp damn near 300% MORE now than before the patch. What the **** are you talking about? Oh I know what you are talking about. Your corp is ****, anyone who was remotely good left, your booster alt got shat on and podded, you live in pos in auga like a space hillbilly living in a trailer, and your militia that smack so hard half the corps left in the last week.

HTFU or leave.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=210256

and me

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=105909

also tmfed is number one in amarr and has been for 2 years, so dont tell me i dont know what im talking about bla bla bla, fw is ruined and the good fights are gone.

cant i just get a moment to be sad?

Now all minmatar has to do is take over every single system and then after that, No more offensive plexes to farm.

A final blow and a destruction to Fwarmville.

blah

My personal KB is a perfect example, I've been in FW for 3 years, look at that KB of mine. 23 kills here, 7 kills there, 3 kills, 40 kills when I wardecced half of rens and soloed them all cause im a space gangster. Now look at it since inferno, 80 kills, 197, 87, and 145 kills this month being only half over. I have shot and killed more ships in the last months then in the last 2 years. I stay shooting while you stay whining like a 4 year old little girl.

And dont try to compare KBs, stati9on hmuping day in and day out for 1 year straight killing nubs that dont know any better doesnt make you good. So you can shove your cheap and easy KBs up your whiny ass.

As usual I have nothing of any importance to say so im just gonna say U MAD BRO DUUURRRR

psychotic rant

Also I'm tired of ill informed "WWWAAHHHHH WE GOT OUR ASES HANDED TO US CUASE WE ARE TO AWESOME TO DO ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT TITAN DROP ON PPL WWWAAAHH" amarr people tell us plexing farmers in t1 gunless frigs did all the wqork, they didnt do ****, the plexing farmers stayed in the same vulnerable system and plexed the same 3 plexes all day simply because it was easier that way.

While the heros of Minmatar militia like Qcats, U'K, EM, Iron oxide and others plexed, shot, got blown up, reshipped, got blown up again, re-re-shipped, actually WON the plex we all got shot up for and capped it taking that system one step closer to the goal of flipping that system or saving that system depending on what we were doing that day. And they did this for MONTHS. Not days MONTHS, and the only thing you can think to say is "OH EM GEE PLEXING FARMERS LITERALLY SAVED YOUR ENTIRE MILITIA" get the **** off it.

Fact is you amarr had every oppertunity to turn this around. Tri-gun joined, WBR was present, Fweddit made good fodder, Nulli with there TWO THOUSAND PVPERS (which by the way outnumbered all the pvpers in minnie militia combined), Hun reloaded (another 800 fighters), also lets not forget your gallenete boyfriends drunk and disorderly, and god knows who else was on the bat phone just looking to hotdrop on someone. You had the resources and the time needed to push us back and you squandered it by not seizing the bull by the horns and doing it. Instead you choose to do this, forum warrior BS, and blame CCP for your utter fail of a militia.

You lost because you chose not to fight.

Minmatar Victor. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Freed_Slaves

Just saying. If the empire slavers are dead there are plenty of nullsec slavers yet to bleed.

Muad is whining cus he loves FW. ALL of it not just amarr. Ninlarra is just trying propoganda trolling as usual because he's a vitriolic ****. the mad in your posts ninlarra.. YOU ARE WINNING YOU FOOL.

For me I'm just sad that all those that loved small gang PVP are losing FW to farmers. If I was minmatar I'd feel the same way, I'd just be space rich too :D

Wow, you even manage to sound mad on the forums as well as local For someone who says they are winning (something) you're always damn angry about it.

troll
The moment you allowed WBR to be your lead corp was the moment you started to failcascade. It took the Caldari two years to recover from WBR. It might take you guys two years as well. But at least you can start the rebuiding process now.
/troll

Caldari in not going to shoot systems anymore, so soon there is no farming for gallente or minmatar.

its about the inferno changes eradicating fun pvp from low sec by gaying it up with sov lockouts and STUPID isk ratios for time spent on funking buttans!

I give you FW stats:
Top corp for final blows in a week used to be 70-80. Now my corp is at 142 final blows for the week and is only No. 8. FUN PVP HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY. At least the type of pvp I like to do has increased. "Station games and killing noobs on station with fast locking Macherials" type of pvp has decreased by over an order of magnitude.

how long will that last?
my corp is top for pvp kills for years, and now more than ever, but guess what, fighting mwd frigs with no guns sucks.
so have fun while it lasts you short sighted fool.

If Amarr Militia is completely collapsed I'd be quite happy using the income from a tier 5 matari store to fund a new attack on CVA providence (which is only 3 jumps from Kam and well within jump bridge range).

Just saying. If the empire slavers are dead there are plenty of nullsec slavers yet to bleed.

Thank you! I will happily play FW and cash out every month at Tier 3/4 with the meager LP I make while pvp'ing.

And you are?

well you might understood it bit wrong, we let gallente to shoot ihubs with their alts.

troll
The moment you allowed WBR to be your lead corp was the moment you started to failcascade. It took the Caldari two years to recover from WBR. It might take you guys two years as well. But at least you can start the rebuiding process now.
/troll

wait just one second here...WBR was the lead corp?!?!?!

Yes, FW pvp has stopped. FW is over, just look at the killboard evidence to back this up. No kills at all with no fleet fights either. None, Nada, Zero, Diddly-Squat..... except for the 208 ships killed, 15b damage done and 20 ships lost according to the amarr militia killboard this week (not including alliance kills/losses).

And no, I won't be percific because you never asked nicely and used the magic word. I've already said pre-Inferno most of the changes I'd like to see - go search my post history (or dont) if you really care.

PS - The alt formerly known as Damar : I still have nothing but pity for you as a human being. Your bitterness still clouds your view and judgement. You also belong in the FW 'would be better off without' category but I think you knew that. Sorry!

wait just one second here...WBR was the lead corp?!?!?!

It's lasted for almost four months. Will continue into the next expansion.

XG sometimes like to appear like he knows about the amarr minmatar front. But then he has to open his mouth.

Nothing agains WBR. They are almost certainly the reason we didn't lose all the systems at the very begining. Moreover they are the only amarr corp that could more or less singlhandedly hold a system like kamela due to their sheer power.

But they really kept to themselves and never really even attempted to lead the militia.

They also may have been the amarr corp that plexed the most ... for the minmatar.

not to mention the land grab bumrush before inferno.

how long will that last?

my corp is top for pvp kills for years, and now more than ever, but guess what, fighting mwd frigs with no guns sucks.

So - I have never been to the Minnie/Amarr front. Is it more big fleets there? What is the main difference?

I just have no idea how you guys have less pvp. It has exploded on our side.

You guys had more systems then the minnies just a week ago - minmatar took it all back with post inferno mechanics..

Otherwise, in general - I'm not a fan of station lockouts but it's been heaven over here for me: First a null sec alliance joined the amarr, and now pretty much all of amarr fw is coming caldari. There are people to shoot *everywhere.

I guess if you want to be a cheerleader you can spin almost three months as "almost 4 months"

But I am hoping the pvp stays higher than it was before. CCP can still improve allot though. Plenty of nights with good pvp few and far between.

1) It's really obnoxious when people say "GG gunless plexing alts, you win". Ninlarra might have the clap, but he had a good point. It was the fighting alliances of MinMil (UK, EM, FeO, Defiant, LNA) that won the plexing war. We were the people taking frontline systems, defensive plexing, busting bunkers and "fighting the sov fight". The gunless plexing alts made an impact, sure, but they were only doing what they were doing due to the actual Min's hard work. You can call us worthless PvErs, but the fact is we wont the sov war due to our own tenacity, foresight and dedication. .

2) The Amarr, especially towards the end, had the capability to turn the warzone around. You had massive number advantages in the USTZ in which you could have made progress in the sov war. It would have been hard, maybe slow, but it was certainly possible.. .

3) You guys just didn't want to win. W-BR has made that clear, a lot of Amarr groups have made that clear. You were happy to lose because you didn't want to put in the work to win the sov war. And you know what, that's fine. You just have to recognize that it was your own unwillingness to invest in the new system that resulted in such a lopsided warzone and ultimately our victory..

Does the Farmville aspect of FW suck? Yes. Who the **** doesn't complain about that? No one likes gunless merlin farmers from nullsec profiting off our hard work. There are some easy fixes CCP can implement that would probably fix this, and I hope they are planning to do so in the upcoming patch.

Has Inferno been better or worse for FW? Inferno is without a doubt a step in the right direction and arguably one of the best things to happen to FW in years.

People complaining about this fictional "no PVP, only farm" are a) delusional and b) clearly can't remember the months prior to Inferno where there was maybe 1 or 2 actual skirmishes a WEEK. Now there are countless skirmishes in each timezone EVERY DAY. Total kill counts for FW have skyrocketed, and even if you factor that some of those are gunless farming alts, you're still seeing an increase in PvP by an absolutely staggering amount.

tl;dr - Amarr cry a lot, FW needs fixing and no one disagrees, Inferno has been the best thing for FW since sliced bread.

So you agree with me and not the Amarr guy. Fights are up, and will be for a while.

Whilst I sympathise with your cause, I still wonder what happened to Amarr milita.

If your corp is the top killing corp for years, I wonder why the top non-NPC corp according to Amarr miltia KB stats would still be Absinthe Brothers (Consortium), who are dead for 1-2 years (Yeah - according to the list, ARETR would come out on top, but absinthe are on that list twice and just had to reform at some point for whatever reason, so their kills need to be added up).

When I pulled my alt out about 2-3 years ago, minmatar was getting faceraped on a daily basis despite having the bigger numbers, so WTF happned?

I'm going to make this as focused and logical as possible. I know no matter what I type here you are going to cry like a ***** like you usually do but I firmly believe that at the end of the day common sense and logic prevails over the whines.

CCP killed amarr/minnie fun you say? I present the following link: http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=home&m=4&y=2012

Thats the month of april 2012 a total of 5373 ships killed and lost

Inferno and the FW changes went into effect May 24th. The following link is the same killboard for the month of July (I didnt use the june KB as it is seriously skewed due to the goontard exploitation and therefore would not make an accurate arguement):

http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=home&m=7&y=2012

Month of July for a total of 15090. Thats over a 290% increase in pvp activity. We pvp damn near 300% MORE now than before the patch. What the **** are you talking about? Oh I know what you are talking about. Your corp is ****, anyone who was remotely good left, your booster alt got shat on and podded, you live in pos in auga like a space hillbilly living in a trailer, and your militia that smack so hard half the corps left in the last week.

HTFU or leave.

You skipped over one of the major points which is how does the loosing side keep fighting when their isk dries up?

Minmatar are sololy after protecting their valued systems, which is understandable - but an often side effect is having literaly an enire fleet (most notebly Stabber fleets, blackbirds) to fight one or two people, in simple - alot of minmatar militia are not interested in pvp, but are just interested in protecting their systems

I agree that I have had an easier time getting fights after inferno.

But I wouldn't say that is true everywhere. Have you been in metro after nulli left? Actually amarr gets some wartargets with electus matari up there. (EU tz) But I am not sure who the minmatar up there are fighting regularly - probably pirates.

Anyway I am hoping minmatar will stick around and I will have wartargets.

I wish i had ccp and hans on my team, not to mention the land grab bumrush before inferno.

no, srsly, you did all by yourselves, grats etc

wtb: game changing blob

You skipped over one of the major points which is how does the loosing side keep fighting when their isk dries up?

PS - The alt formerly known as Damar : I still have nothing but pity for you as a human being. Your bitterness still clouds your view and judgement. You also belong in the FW 'would be better off without' category but I think you knew that. Sorry!

"Release your anger, only your hatred can destroy me!" - Darth Vader

I'm thinking about 70% of plexes were run in frigates probably 70% of those frigates were t1 frigates.

Whilst I sympathise with your cause, I still wonder what happened to Amarr milita.

If your corp is the top killing corp for years, I wonder why the top non-NPC corp according to Amarr miltia KB stats would still be Absinthe Brothers (Consortium), who are dead for 1-2 years (Yeah - according to the list, ARETR would come out on top, but absinthe are on that list twice and just had to reform at some point for whatever reason, so their kills need to be added up).

When I pulled my alt out about 2-3 years ago, minmatar was getting faceraped on a daily basis despite having the bigger numbers, so WTF happned?

You skipped over one of the major points which is how does the loosing side keep fighting when their isk dries up?

Minmatar are sololy after protecting their valued systems, which is understandable - but an often side effect is having literaly an enire fleet (most notebly Stabber fleets, blackbirds) to fight one or two people, in simple - alot of minmatar militia are not interested in pvp, but are just interested in protecting their systems

No docking in systems not owned by your 'team'

I'm going to make a controversial point because I think it might be constructive.

The Amarr militia has no good FCs. By that. I mean it has no one who will ball up 20 or so cross militia pilots and throw them around. Individual corps are happy to play, but no one will take a lead like Neph or BSC used to.

If TMFED pulled their fingers out *ahem* they would be more than capable of fulfilling this role, but it would probably require them flying ships like plain old bingers and canes to its a no go.

The Amarr militia needs some leadership. I hope it gets it soon...

So - I have never been to the Minnie/Amarr front. Is it more big fleets there? What is the main difference?

I just have no idea how you guys have less pvp. It has exploded on our side.

no they helped no doubt, but lead? no.

I would love for amarr to get an injection of members but me switching sides doesnt mean i dont have balls. i dont want to fight for amarr, ive fought for minmatar since 2009 ( on , off to null) and its part of who i am in game.

I'm going to make a controversial point because I think it might be constructive.

The Amarr militia has no good FCs. By that. I mean it has no one who will ball up 20 or so cross militia pilots and throw them around. Individual corps are happy to play, but no one will take a lead like Neph or BSC used to.

If TMFED pulled their fingers out *ahem* they would be more than capable of fulfilling this role, but it would probably require them flying ships like plain old bingers and canes to its a no go.

The Amarr militia needs some leadership. I hope it gets it soon...

Mentlegen I would like to put my 2 cents in here. As the hilarity continues and the swine continue to lay blameless and point at another like apes flinging there own excrement Fate may have left FW but we have far from left the area as those who must adapt to the times we have adapted our goals were never FW Control but PVP and FW gave US a means to reach our goals. Willing to work with those around us but hesitant of those who have proven their worth on the battlefield . We are still here adapting and having fun shooting things last night was funny when there were 200 minmatar on and 70 amarr on and half of the amarr was Fate. Not gonna lie I thought it was funny and proceeded to kill anything that moved. Our goal was never to take control or be some grand stand for the ammarian empire for that is not the way of the potato or the fastest way to enjoy cream. We simply wanted to kill everything and in true pirate style (trigun is a pirate troll corp afterall) we decided to kill Anything that moved

so you joined a side in a war instead of being true pirates?

makes sense in a dumbsh*t propeller hat wearing sort of way i suppose

so you joined a side in a war instead of being true pirates?

makes sense in a dumbsh*t propeller hat wearing sort of way i suppose

Maybe because they were in FW prior to Inferno? I'm not sure why people keep hating on Lost Obsession bros for not being this crazy savior that they never had any intention to be or stated they would be. Its like being mad at Nulli Secunda for not moving to FW permanently.

In all honesty, Lost Obsession helped a lot more than people are willing to give them credit for.

I'm going to make a controversial point because I think it might be constructive.

The Amarr militia has no good FCs. By that. I mean it has no one who will ball up 20 or so cross militia pilots and throw them around. Individual corps are happy to play, but no one will take a lead like Neph or BSC used to.

If TMFED pulled their fingers out *ahem* they would be more than capable of fulfilling this role, but it would probably require them flying ships like plain old bingers and canes to its a no go.

The Amarr militia needs some leadership. I hope it gets it soon...

c mon...............bring some more lame excuses

Since we're now out of it i'll try to give an objective view of how things went down slightly prior to Inferno up until now, remember that in the end this is still just my view:

Prior to Inferno Minmatar made a big concerted plex effort to plex and conquer a great many systems - well done. Your dedication at spinning buttons was/is commendable.

As Inferno hit, you pushed even harder and you forced us to fight you till the it did. Lots of fun was had in that time for both parties involved.

After Inferno hit and it was still new, Minmatar had the upper hand on system control constantly with the ability to hit Tier 5 at will. Congratulations on this again very commendable effort. I wouldn't say that achieving this through the capture of systems prior to Inferno where we all agreed that it was a broken mechanic, was a gentleman's way of winning though. Regardless, well done.

Amarr then, at first a minority (mostly Lost Obsession) - later the rest of Amarr Militia too - figured out that it would be pointless as well as counterproductive to build a counterpressure to what at the time I referred to as the 'Minmatar Plex army onslaught'. So we adapted. We let you guys do the heavy lifting and conquer and plex systems and we farmed the hell out of your Tier 5 store you so conveniently gave us. More heavy assets than I can count were acquired through your efforts of the Tier 5 store. Thank you Minmatar, you made your enemies rich too.

Then there was the Goon fiasco. While the impact of the Goons on the Minmatar Warzone control is not easily quantifiable it had one significant impact: Morale. The surge Amarr Militia had felt as Inferno hit was effectively gone. This was also the time that the last of the smart players in Amarr Militia adapted and started farming the Minmatar LP store and just went out for PvP anytime the Minmatar weren't just running around trying to only capture plexes and avoid PvP.

And yes, maybe some of the criticism against Lost Obsession is justified. We were the group with the most firepower available within all of Amarr Militia (right up until Nulli joined). We were however never the group with the most manpower available. Since plex the plex conquest favors numbers over assets & firepower we never saw the purpose of throwing ships into the meat grinder when we could instead do what we always do which is get big fights anywhere we can.
Being the group with the most firepower available a great many in Amarr Militia expected us to lead them to get them into our fleets, to lead them to victory and to blow up Minmatar. The record shows that we took Amarr Militia into our fleets as soon as goals for Amarr Militia needed to be achieved and led them when trying to achieve these goals that would benefit all of Amarr Militia. But in those times we never put our expensive stuff on the line for people who would not show up with what was asked. The people who could be counted on to fly the same expensive stuff we did, always got invitations to join us on our 'extracurricular activities' and are still receiving them. So maybe the criticism isn't all that justified after all.

In the end, we play the game exactly how we choose to and we will continue to do so as long as we're around. We don't owe anybody anything (We owe our friends everything).

Thanks for all the good fights Minmatar, thanks for fighting the good fight Amarr, we enjoyed flying alongside and against most of you.

Last but not least, congratulations for 'winning the war' Minmatar. I'm sure you can pat yourselves on the back now. We will see if my predictions of your lack of foresight in terms of enemy management will come true. My bet was that as soon as you'd 'win the war' your targets would dry up and you'd have basically killed your own PvP grounds yourselves, but we'll see if that happens or not.

Oh by the way, we're not leaving the area, put more big stuff (bigger than Battlecruisers) into space and we shall have glorious explosions =)

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didn'twantthosesystemsanywaywe'restillwinningeventhoughwe'relosingit'sallCCPsfaultRAAAAAEGpredmadeaprofitonthis

Your problem is that you're playing 'your version' of EvE / Factional Warfare. You're not playing to win. There's a word for this. I'm sure you know the word I'm talking about. If you don't, google "playing to win, part 1".

Your problem is that you're playing 'your version' of EvE / Factional Warfare. You're not playing to win. There's a word for this. I'm sure you know the word I'm talking about. If you don't, google "playing to win, part 1".

Your problem is that you're playing 'your version' of EvE / Factional Warfare. You're not playing to win. There's a word for this. I'm sure you know the word I'm talking about. If you don't, google "playing to win, part 1".

because i cant get access to it.

lol.... in sov-0.0 space this is normal to loose access to your stuff....
Right now some people from RED and allies are locked inside 319- station. And nothing bad happened. People fly and kill.

So what is the problem again?

lol.... in sov-0.0 space this is normal to loose access to your stuff....
Right now some people from RED and allies are locked inside 319- station. And nothing bad happened. People fly and kill.

So what is the problem again?

It means that either his targets can't dock in a station or he can't play docking games there. CCP have ruined his ability to camp station undocks in a machariel in complete safety

PLEXing

Making sense

joins FW [BADLUCK BRIAN] Gets locked out of home system /o\

Just had my first day in FW, and what a day it was. Very different from what I'm used to in nullsec.
We like our environments target rich and so far FW certainly delivered in that respect. But we are new to this, the meta, the mechanics, etc.. So please bear with me, while we all collectively get used to faction war.

As for working with other amarr faction corps/alliances. I'm not leadership but as far as I know that's certainly something we are interested in, but this was like literally our first day :P Give it some time.

Well, did you get more fight sup there pre inferno?

I think that there's a lot to be fixed in fw - balancing the rats for one. Plexing mechanics. Maybe CCP could even make WZ control levels go from tier 3 to tier 5 so the losing faction has more resources to keep fighting.

But, unlike the OP, I think inferno has been a net positive for FW, not a net negative.

Generally we are and were nonchalent as you put it very well towards FW, how could we be anything else considering how broken the mechanics were and still are. (I'm presuming we agree that FW mechanics are still broken, regardless of the undeniable truth that Inferno brought a lot of activity back into the area).

And yes, maybe some of the criticism against Lost Obsession is justified....

I appreciate that you people feel pissed off at the pve gunless yada yada. But you are sadly mistaken if you think that your core systems are being taken by null bear alts. You are accountable for your losses.

Rather than whine about it I suggest you come up with a plan. The truth is you now live in a target rich environment, adapt and you will profit. The wheel will turn and shortly after we get our medals there will be an exodus of pvpers from the Minnie front because there's nothing to shoot.

The 'fun economy' is this game far more important than the isk economy.

Yes the mechanics are a disaster, while the millions of plexing alts do help us in the sov war, its of course not something I would have chosen, they are probably almost as much of a pain to us as you. I hope soon(TM) CCP will realise the disaster that as Inferno and give us a sensible FW system back

All my post was trying to say was through all of this we have lost some (real) targets to shoot, but I don't think that is entirely down to our poor WT managing (which was a consideration).

In simplest terms from my point of view: it wasn't worth trying to keep a place for you in FW (READ - through letting up on the boring stuff and working to keep it fun, NOT - OMG we can could kick you out whenever we want with our L33t PvP) when FW seemed to be a secondary concern for you at the time. Why go to the effort when it wasn't yielding the GFs for us at the time.

Of course I'm sure Kourmonen the other night reminds us why we joined FW and why we would be sad to lose you, which is oddly nothing to do with FW and if CCP are to be believed the opposite of what they want from it (e.g. no caps). Of course I hope fights like that will continue to happen regardless of who is in FW. I am gutted to have missed it. Inferno should have focused on fights like that rather than rifters.

joins FW [BADLUCK BRIAN] Gets locked out of home system /o\

Just had my first day in FW, and what a day it was. Very different from what I'm used to in nullsec.
We like our environments target rich and so far FW certainly delivered in that respect. But we are new to this, the meta, the mechanics, etc.. So please bear with me, while we all collectively get used to faction war.

As for working with other amarr faction corps/alliances. I'm not leadership but as far as I know that's certainly something we are interested in, but this was like literally our first day :P Give it some time.

If Minimatar did not have their geography advantage and did not get that super boost that they did from the goons, would it be fair to say that the Amarr/Minimatar war would be much closer than it is now? If the answer is yes, then would we still be talking about farmers as much as we are now?

I don't think farmers are the issue tbh

Goonswarm did nothing, they probably never even captured a single plex, all they did was exploit a load of LP for themselves, which probably hurt the minmatar as it meant our LP items were less valuable.

If Minimatar did not have their geography advantage and did not get that super boost that they did from the goons, would it be fair to say that the Amarr/Minimatar war would be much closer than it is now? If the answer is yes, then would we still be talking about farmers as much as we are now?

I don't think farmers are the issue tbh

So ive read through this thread and have heard whining, trolling, anger, frustration and disappointment but nothing that reembles a solution. I spoke recently with Some friends that had issue with a decision that was made and I'll say here what I said to them. If you have a problem with something, then you must have an idea for a solution so formulate that into a suggestion supported by logic.

You complain that CCP is to blame, that nullsec influence is too great and that an RPing CSM has had too much impact in the current state of FW. Well then you need to present a better solution; a better plan. A few ideas were presented at fanfest by us that perhaps a dev would be willing to comment on; I know he wrote them down.

I know we (Lost Obsession) having left FW now are happily done with button spinning, but we still live in Kamela and will be around for the fighting, so I hope to see you all on the battlefield.

The Geography is an issue, but it is not insurmountable. As was clearly demonstrated, Nulli moved into Metro and quickly conquered the vast majority of it. It just takes some dedication to make the move and commit. There aren't a lot of Amarr groups who are interested in doing that.

Goons did nothing except take advantage of existing circumstances in order to make a lot of money and subsequently get it confiscated by CCP.

over and over

The Geography is an issue, but it is not insurmountable. As was clearly demonstrated, Nulli moved into Metro and quickly conquered the vast majority of it. It just takes some dedication to make the move and commit. There aren't a lot of Amarr groups who are interested in doing that.

Goons did nothing except take advantage of existing circumstances in order to make a lot of money and subsequently get it confiscated by CCP.

I hope you are really not this naive. Them making millions and millions of LP is what helped Minimatar quickly and easily upgrade their systems to T5 over and over. People started seeing Minimatar getting rich and joined up on the Minmatar side. I personally know about 15-20 people that joined Minimatar because of this

And regarding LP items being less valuable, have you ever heard of stockpiling them until the market improves?

Minmatar would have happily and easily upgraded those systems on a whim had they wanted to.

The main problem is that it is a pve/farm mechanic. Where you win by hiding from the enemy while you do plexes. This is 90% of the problem.

I think the biggest issue is the tiering of the rewards and how they scale. When theres a wave of immersion killing realization across your militia that you would be stupid not to farm Tier 5 while you can, versus going out of your way to push tier 2-3 at best on your own side, its hard for your side to keep taking FW seriously. It definitely kills a lot of the PVP immersion and makes things feel very RvB-esque.

blah blah blah farmers are people too

Geography is not really an issue. The goon boost was not the issue.

The main problem is that it is a pve/farm mechanic. Where you win by hiding from the enemy while you do plexes. This is 90% of the problem.

Secondary problems that take up the other 10% of the problem were:

1) The imbalance in rats especially before the ewar removal. Minmatar was always the race with the easiest rats for missions and plexes. This helped them get more players and helped the plex directly. amarr was fw on hard mode Minmatar was easy mode. Don't believe just trying each sides missions (the main source of fw income before inferno) solo in a stealth bomber. They had a huge lead going into inferno. This was in part due to the extreme rat imbalance. Do you want to make easy isk doing missions or do you want it to be hard? If you wanted it easy then you joined minmatar and many people did. They would either leave amarr for minmatar or go over to caldari. Amarr has always been the the miltiia with the fewest numbers and its no mystery why.

2) It was also just more or less arbitrary luck. There were probably about 10 players total who were really plexing for the year before inferno was announced because it was meant nothing. A single minmatar player had more vp than any minmatar corp or alliance going into inferno. No one really cared about it. The product of a system no one cares about is random.

3) In combination with the above Amarr took the biggest hit it ever took, due to the station lock outs. Basically vets had to spend all of our time leading up to inferno moving our stuff out of the warzone. Inferno brought on a change that meant it took 5xs as much plexing to flip a system. So this lead up time was important. Most of the fw vets like myself had billions in assets thoughout the metro and we had to spend what ever eve time we had moving it. In combination with 1 and 2 the lockouts was the biggest difficulty the amarr ever had to deal with.

Once everyone saw Minmatar could hit tier 5 well everyone started getting alts to run the plexes. The sheer volume of alts is not something amarr can touch.

Whenever I finish reading a whinepost by Pinky, I read his signature, and I can't help but wonder if that guy ever has to urinate.

This.

But for almost the entirety of the weekend we were unopposed,

It is a pve/farm mechanic for everyone - for all four militias. The rest of your post amounts to "here are some historical reasons that things turned out this way for the Amarr", with the suggestion being that a bad start + simple momentum is why things are still bad.

So CCP looks at this and sees, OK, this mechanic seems to be working fine for 3/4 militias, and then this last militia is claiming that it doesn't work in the same breath as they complain about a lot of historical baggage. The obvious solution to this problem: do nothing. Maybe add some of those UI improvements they talked about in the CSM minutes. To let some time pass by is a sufficient response to the effects of "arbitrary luck at the time of the patch" and "imbalance before EWAR removal" on the warzone. And if the only problem with station lockout is that it had leading-up-to-Inferno affects, there's certainly no reason to change it now. Where are the present day downsides of station-lockout?

So I'd rather CCP look at this summary:



Speak of a "wave of immersion killing realization across your militia" due to the warzone control mechanic, and you suggest that the mechanic should be reexamined - while also answering those who speak of the lack of Amarrian enthusiasm as if that were the horse rather than the cart.

No no, I'm pretty sure Lost Obsession and TMFED undock all the time.

The fleet that performed the heavy lifting of offensive plexing Kour and Kam varied between 20 and 55 for the 12+ hours each day it was going. At this time we could have been forced out, or combated at any time. But for almost the entirety of the weekend we were unopposed, and were able to create a large time zone coverage of the 'front'. I assure you we were not gunless AFK plexing alts that 'took' your stations.

I understand some of you don't like orbiting buttons. I don't blame you, its not particularity satisfying. But I think some/many of the Amarrian side forgot one simple thing. For a long time, even before their was a LP reward for doing so, many minmatar plexed and desired to 'capture' systems.

For a long time, even before their was a LP reward for doing so, many minmatar plexed and desired to 'capture' systems. Those guys never left minmatar militia.