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Isbe	Posted - 2011.01.28 18:22:00 - [1] Having looked at tons of Ishtar loadouts, and looked at and used tons of Dominix loadouts, and run L4s in a few different setups of Domis for over a year now, I have a question. Is the Ishtar going to be faster at running L4s than a Dominix? Okay, I know it's a loaded question. I know you can passive shield tank an Ishtar and be pretty bulletproof while your sentries or heavies kill everything. I know you can also stupid-overtank a Domi with armor reps and be pretty bulletproof while your sentries kill everything. I know you can shield tank a Domi pretty darn good, too, which adds up to five 425mm rails for a real nice DPS bonus. Etc. etc. I'm always trying to get more DPS out of my Domi (for example, I run two sentry damage rigs on mine). I don't see how it's possible for an Ishtar to mow through L4s faster than a Domi (and I don't care about the Ishtar's faster speed/agility to get to accel gates etc.), because its drones will do less DPS, and guns won't really fit well on it. Am I wrong? So, basically, isn't a Domi with two sentry rigs and a handful of railguns gonna easily out-DPS any Ishtar fit, and thus go through L4s faster? Would love your thoughts.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.01.28 18:25:00 - [2] Anyone that says the Ishtar does L4s faster than the Domi is doing it very wrong. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Thenoran Caldari Tranquility Industries	Posted - 2011.01.28 18:28:00 - [3] Edited by: Thenoran on 28/01/2011 18:28:25 Travel time to accel gates does matter, slowboating 50km in a Domi adds a lot to your mission time. Better mobility also means Heavy Drones have to travel less far and Sentries can more easily be placed around. Granted, six large rails add a lot to the DPS, but you need to spend more stuff on tank with a Domi since you can speed tank an Ishtar. In the end I think it boils down to the types of missions. Stuff where there aren't a lot of BS, has accel gates and distances would favor the Ishtar, but closer range/no travel BS filled missions would favor the Domi's raw DPS. For most missions, the Domi would be better for the simple reason of DPS. It's ofcourse also easier to get Gallente Cruiser V for the full bonus than it is to get Gallente Battleship V. Ishtar also gets the drone range bonus, which is nice when combined with your mobility. ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
Cambarus Malicious Destruction	Posted - 2011.01.28 18:45:00 - [4] Originally by: Thenoran Edited by: Thenoran on 28/01/2011 18:28:25 Travel time to accel gates does matter, slowboating 50km in a Domi adds a lot to your mission time. Better mobility also means Heavy Drones have to travel less far and Sentries can more easily be placed around. Granted, six large rails add a lot to the DPS, but you need to spend more stuff on tank with a Domi since you can speed tank an Ishtar. In the end I think it boils down to the types of missions. Stuff where there aren't a lot of BS, has accel gates and distances would favor the Ishtar, but closer range/no travel BS filled missions would favor the Domi's raw DPS. For most missions, the Domi would be better for the simple reason of DPS. It's ofcourse also easier to get Gallente Cruiser V for the full bonus than it is to get Gallente Battleship V. Ishtar also gets the drone range bonus, which is nice when combined with your mobility. An ishtar struggles to put out 500 DPS. A domi struggles to put out 1100 DPS. Travel time does matter, but the domi literally puts out more than twice the DPS of an ishtar once you skill up for it, and that will make a bigger difference than travel time any day (and with an AB you won't spend much time flying without shooting anyway)
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.01.29 11:49:00 - [5] This works for me. Splats pretty-much all mission rats. Sometimes frigs require light drones but apart from that it's pew pew pew. If you want something more 'afk' then drop the guns down, fit all cap mods in the mids and a second LAR. [Dominix, L4 Serpentis] Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Large Armor Repairer II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Target Painter II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 350mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge L Drone Link Augmentor I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5
Tiffis	Posted - 2011.01.29 12:11:00 - [6] Yes Domi has more derps so it is faster.
Cambarus Malicious Destruction	Posted - 2011.01.29 15:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Tiffis Yes Domi has more derps so it is faster. I'm assuming this is sarcasm, so I will address it as such: The only advantage the ishtar has over the domi is higher base speed. While this can make a difference if you need to travel a long way during a mission, any time spent sitting on top of an acceleration gate while your drones kill things is no less a waste of time than slowboating towards a gate after having killed the last rat. Assuming you fit an AB for gated missions to your domi, you will pretty much always get to the next gate before all the rats are dead (though not by much). Until CCP introduces missions with only one or 2 rats and/or gates 100+km away you will almost always be better off in a domi. The only missions I can think of off the top of my head where the ishtar might excel is WC, and even then only if you blitz it, and even THEN only by a fairly small amount given the BSs you have to kill in the last room.
Zindela Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2011.01.29 20:45:00 - [8] Originally by: Wacktopia [Dominix, L4 Serpentis] This is a fine, fit, but I have a question. why are you fitting Flux Coils? Capacitor Power Relays are more effective, and don't nerf your overall capacitor capacity. In this case, the end result of both is you're cap stable with either mod, but I'm just confused as to your reasoning? How much does the painter help? It seems to me that this fit would be more effective. More DPS due to the second Sentry rig, and still cap stable. [Dominix, L4 Serpentis Import] Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Large Armor Repairer II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Drone Link Augmentor I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I [empty rig slot] Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5 ------------------- Originally by: CCP Oveur Guess what I'm wearing.
Companion Qube	Posted - 2011.01.29 21:57:00 - [9] As of this month anyone can stuff an MWD onto a mission running BS and move in a straight line at 1km/s in deadspace. "Faster travel to gates in a cruiser" no longer applies.
Veliria	Posted - 2011.01.30 13:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Companion Qube As of this month anyone can stuff an MWD onto a mission running BS and move in a straight line at 1km/s in deadspace. "Faster travel to gates in a cruiser" no longer applies. Fitting just an MWD for that when it takes out 25-19% of your capacitor is kinda bad if you aren't using the MWD for anything else. At the same time, anything you need to MWD to means you'll have to hunt down every single rat which takes forever.
Idicious Lightbane Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.01.30 15:14:00 - [11] Dominix for high-sec lvl 4's because of them much higher DPS potential. PvE Ishtar shines for running FW lvl4's in low-sec etc though
Rayaghuma Caldari Caldari Navy Logistic-Support Division	Posted - 2011.01.30 16:17:00 - [12] Originally by: Companion Qube As of this month anyone can stuff an MWD onto a mission running BS and move in a straight line at 1km/s in deadspace. "Faster travel to gates in a cruiser" no longer applies. MWD in Deadspace Are the anomalies preventing the use of MWDs removed recently by a patch?
Mastin Dragonfly 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2011.01.30 17:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Rayaghuma Originally by: Companion Qube As of this month anyone can stuff an MWD onto a mission running BS and move in a straight line at 1km/s in deadspace. "Faster travel to gates in a cruiser" no longer applies. MWD in Deadspace Are the anomalies preventing the use of MWDs removed recently by a patch? Yes
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.01.30 18:01:00 - [14] Edited by: Wacktopia on 30/01/2011 18:05:03 Originally by: Zindela Originally by: Wacktopia [Dominix, L4 Serpentis] This is a fine, fit, but I have a question. why are you fitting Flux Coils? Because I clicked without thinking in EFT :) Good spot. Edit: Hopefully you can tweak your fit to keep the painter. Mission rats are slow so the painter is a massive booster for both sentries and rails to hit.
Baneken Gallente School of the Unseen	Posted - 2011.01.30 19:38:00 - [15] vanilla sentry domi, notice how you need only one hardener with faction repper. [Dominix, L4] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Drone Link Augmentor I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Ogre II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Garde II x5 Hammerhead II x5 http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Mc'luvin	Posted - 2011.01.31 04:50:00 - [16] Edited by: Mc''luvin on 31/01/2011 04:51:16 [Ishtar, Ishtar] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II 10MN Afterburner II [empty high slot] Drone Link Augmentor I Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Ogre II x5 1189 passive def against guristas for me. I fly through, grab aggro, launch drones, and fly around salvaging while drones kill. saves time on comming back to salvage.. if dps gets too hard to handel just burn and orbit at 65k till a few rats die off.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.01.31 12:01:00 - [17] Edited by: Wacktopia on 31/01/2011 12:02:29 Originally by: Baneken vanilla sentry domi, notice how you need only one hardener with faction repper Notice how you used 'vanilla' in the same sentence as a 110M repper and a 40M EANM? Originally by: Mc'luvin fly around salvaging while drones kill. saves time on comming back to salvage.. Probably true before the Noctis but now you can just warp back in your Noctis and hoover the whole mission dry. Salvaging on the go in the way you describe is almost certainly slower now.
My Postman	Posted - 2011.01.31 15:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Liang Nuren Anyone that says the Ishtar does L4s faster than the Domi is doing it very wrong. -Liang What Liang said, very much. Recently i was fiddling around a little with the Ishtar, because i got a bit bored of my Domi. It all comes down to this (very fine) ships CPU when using two sentry damage rigs (and i have WU 5, AWU 4, Drone Rigging 4). When shield tanking it, you will suffer the lack of an AB and Omnidirectional. When armor tanking it, it comes better, but for the hack of it you have to use faction mods to be able to fit medium guns. Tl;Dr: Domi puts out more DPS AND can fit a better tank. Only drawback: Slower moving between gates, but when doing the job with sentries, you can¦t move much anyway.
Baneken Gallente School of the Unseen	Posted - 2011.01.31 16:32:00 - [19] Originally by: Wacktopia Originally by: Baneken vanilla sentry domi, notice how you need only one hardener with faction repper Notice how you used 'vanilla' in the same sentence as a 110M repper and a 40M EANM? It's pretty vanilla when you make 20m per hour from bounties alone, getting 7500-8000LP per mission doesn't hurt either, so yes it's quite vanilla once you allow your self to get stuck on a mission grind for an income. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html

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