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Inspired Angel
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:11:00 -
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I was thinking about something when I was on the test server. The general problem is the allocated skills when a mirror has taken place. Not to mention that the sp you had before never show up in total of what you had accrued from before(given that CCP doesn't reimburse them all but only the last 3 tests)
Well here goes my suggestion.
Based upon having to redo skills and trying to figure out what you already had before the mirror and modules to get ships working right trying to figure it all out again is a headache because most cases you forget whats needed to return you to the original state before the mirror. The reallocation of the sp allocated seem to get used up by mistakes in the process.
example: manuf a nyx. sp needed last mirror was not applied to manuf jobs because a friend joined my corp to start the job for me (not having necessary sp myself) this mirror I decided to apply sp towards this. I ran out of sp to even fly the damn thing with all the mods including bombers!! I basically ran out of my sp before being able to do before the new mirror. Its a shame when 3 mirrors ago i was flying a titan with super weapon and all and now i cant even fly a mother ship with bombers.
Each mirror my sp level (with ccp not reimbursing the sp i had before totally)is lower and lower. although i have participated in all the mass tests they have performed. Frankly it is getting to the point the reward of skill points, from mass-testing, is not worth it since every time a mirror happens this is the result. The reapplication of sp and not being able to do even what you were doing before.
Anyhow, I said all that to say this so:
Why not create a feature, not only on sisi(test server), but on tranq that is similar to neural remap. This would allow you to fix mistakes in applying sp so that you can get it right, after not realizing you were gonna run out of sp. Now I know your asking well why would that be applicable on tranq.
well.. for example.. when I first started eve... I had no clue about skill training until 6 months into it. after joining a corp.
at this time they told me about skill training.. and I started it. Well even then I didn't really know what was the just of it until much farther into the game time so I applied a lot of unnecessary skill points in several different directions. For example, instead of choosing one race or type of ship to train, I trained them all; not knowing future skills would branch off into a lot of long term skill building for each race. Realizing this I stopped training all races. so then I had sp that were badly used that could have gone to other necessary things and would have actually helped me better now if I had done things right earlier.
Now I could start a new character and start training them right, but this would never get me to the level I am at now in a short time.
so if we could get a skill reallocation tab. that if ccp wanted to limit it. allow you to do twice a year or maybe more, due to silly mistakes that seem to be smart at the time, but then are later-on seen to be useless, this ability would allow you to change those mistakes.
so pretty much allow you to delete a skill, create appliable skill points that can be reapplied towards wiser choices.
(same way ccp allocates sp to you for xmas or on sisi from a mass testing) the problem is in guesstimating the next level and how many sp needs to get you to level 5 for that skill when your at level 1, it only tells you how many sp needed to get to level 2. thus resulting in not being able to plan your sp out efficiently.
reapplication of sp all the time would lead into a nightmare of contractual shifts of char and ability leading to an unstable fighting and such. but a 2 or 4 time shift of stupid application of sp would allow us to fix irretrievable mistakes made unawares or simply callously.
any additions or suggestions or comments are welcome. open disccusion welcome.
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Magnus Zhada
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:13:00 -
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Without (being able to) reading the whole thing; no, you make your choices, you live with the consequences.
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Jenny Cameron
Caldari
Ordo Eventus
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:13:00 -
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Yes I also remade my main when I found out I screwed up her standings and remaps.
PS Also try to use more paragraphs and such.
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Voith
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Magnus Zhada
Without (being able to) reading the whole thing; no, you make your choices, you live with the consequences.
How many people have CCP induced mistakes? Where a ship goes from top of the line to **** in a single patch? People should be able to untrain one skill level per month.
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Badger Molester
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Inspired Angel
well.. for example.. when i first started eve... i had no clue about skill training until 6 months into it. after joining a corp.
at this time they told me about skill training.. and i started it.
You want us to believe you flew round in your noobship/low tier frigates for 6 months and never thought to ask how to get into other ships?
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Magnus Zhada
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Magnus Zhada on 29/01/2011 17:17:50
Originally by: Voith
Originally by: Magnus Zhada
Without (being able to) reading the whole thing; no, you make your choices, you live with the consequences.
How many people have CCP induced mistakes? Where a ship goes from top of the line to **** in a single patch? People should be able to untrain one skill level per month.
Why, because your OP ship all of a sudden isn't OP anymore? How about we can all retrain to minmatar because right now they're quite good. And when gallente (if) gets it's buff we'll retrain back to gall. Perhaps you want to train all ecm skills for today so you can fly a falcon, but tomorrow you want to be in an arazu, RETRAIN!!!!
No, you make your choices, you deal with your choices. If something gets changed get used to it.
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Voith
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Zhada
Edited by: Magnus Zhada on 29/01/2011 17:17:50
Originally by: Voith
Originally by: Magnus Zhada
Without (being able to) reading the whole thing; no, you make your choices, you live with the consequences.
How many people have CCP induced mistakes? Where a ship goes from top of the line to **** in a single patch? People should be able to untrain one skill level per month.
Why, because your OP ship all of a sudden isn't OP anymore? How about we can all retrain to minmatar because right now they're quite good. And when gallente (if) gets it's buff we'll retrain back to gall. Perhaps you want to train all ecm skills for today so you can fly a falcon, but tomorrow you want to be in an arazu, RETRAIN!!!!
No, you make your choices, you deal with your choices. If something gets changed get used to it.
Minmatar is good right now?
When the **** hasn't it been good.
Way to prove you have no clue and your opinions are invalid.
Thanks!
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laksmi2
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:26:00 -
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i have a very focused combat char of 130 m sp. the char has corrp management, mining and industry at level 1. i would gladly have those skills removed because they look just ugly.
i even petitioned ccp to remove them but they wont. give us the ability to remove 1 skillevel from 1 skill per year or something. i dont even want compensation for those 900 sp.
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Inspired Angel
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Badger Molester
Originally by: Inspired Angel
well.. for example.. when i first started eve... i had no clue about skill training until 6 months into it. after joining a corp.
at this time they told me about skill training.. and i started it.
You want us to believe you flew round in your noobship/low tier frigates for 6 months and never thought to ask how to get into other ships?
yes as i said when i first started i had no clue.. of course i got the next ships i could without skills. but they were just better frigates.. isnt that what being a noob all about.
;-)
this was just for an example case scenario.
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Magnus Zhada
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:27:00 -
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I see you're avoiding the logic, because that's all you can do really.
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nocaffeine
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:29:00 -
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on sisi yes, it could be beneficial to allow a limited ammount of sp to be redistrubited.
but definatly not on tq, sorry if you were a noob and made mistakes in your training but thats eve, 90% of us were noobs and made mistakes with our taining. its just something we have to live with.
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Ishkurs poop drones!
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Badger Molester
Originally by: Inspired Angel
well.. for example.. when i first started eve... i had no clue about skill training until 6 months into it. after joining a corp.
at this time they told me about skill training.. and i started it.
You want us to believe you flew round in your noobship/low tier frigates for 6 months and never thought to ask how to get into other ships?
Sorry, that kind of stupidity should not be rewarded.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:30:00 -
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There are no skillpoint mistakes, those are marks of your experience and history. If you want to do something else, train the skills for it and wait as everyone else.
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Inspired Angel
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Magnus Zhada
Edited by: Magnus Zhada on 29/01/2011 17:17:50
Originally by: Voith
Originally by: Magnus Zhada
Why, because your OP ship all of a sudden isn't OP anymore? How about we can all retrain to minmatar because right now they're quite good. And when gallente (if) gets it's buff we'll retrain back to gall. Perhaps you want to train all ecm skills for today so you can fly a falcon, but tomorrow you want to be in an arazu, RETRAIN!!!!
No, you make your choices, you deal with your choices. If something gets changed get used to it.
No this is really having to do with the test server but is also applicable to tranq for noobie mistakes made long time ago. or recently . not to be donw frequently but also allows for a contingency if you did a fast skill training application from allocated xmas gift by mistake or just stupidly.
i think no reapplication of skills should be granted freely to just go station it and reapply skillpoints to bring a better ship out and hit your enemy with.. nothing that fast should ever be applied. but voith has a valid point!!
Originally by: Voith
Originally by: Voith
How many people have CCP induced mistakes? Where a ship goes from top of the line to **** in a single patch? People should be able to untrain one skill level per month.
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Commander Amy Stewart
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:36:00 -
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Posting to confirm that remaps are the most dangerous tools in the hands of new players.
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.29 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Myra2007 on 29/01/2011 17:41:46
Originally by: Inspired Angel
yes as i said when i first started i had no clue.. of course i got the next ships i could without skills. but they were just better frigates.. isnt that what being a noob all about.
;-)
No, thats what being stupid is all about. However I reward you a seven out of ten which is to say well played.
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I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
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