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baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.01 09:21:00 - [1] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Quote: Vexor - solo ownage 1600 plate or cap injected duel MAR is winsauce Hi. I'm a nanocane. I'm better in every possible way. So a nano cane can get 2000m/s and gtfo as fast? I would love to see that fitting. Originally by: Merin Ryskin Quote: Thorax - triple MFS plate and DCU with full tackle and decent speed you will mess people up with a well flown thorax alternativly dual 150mm Rails with shield buffer and duel Overdrives with 24km point and you have a solo own mobile. Hi. I'm a nanocane. I'm better in every possible way. PS: railguns on a Thorax = you can't track anything. Thanks for admitting you don't actually pvp. Yea rails are barf worthy. However I get more DPS out of my rax than the average cane and its also faster with a better gtfo ability. With med ECM drones I could take a cane even with the drop in damage. Originally by: Merin Ryskin Quote: Ishtar - Next to the Vaga, this is THE BEST solo HAC in the game. even better than a sacrilege. The Ishtar is a terrible solo HAC because a good solo HAC needs to be able to GTFO when things start to go badly. Guess what happens to your expensive drones when you do that in an Ishtar. Don't use sentries? Originally by: Merin Ryskin Quote: Deimos - again this ship owns with either rails or blasters. Lol. Really, what else can you say to this? It can work as a gang ship. Nano it, slap on a shield buffer and you have a very fast and very hard hitting t2 thorax. Originally by: Merin Ryskin Quote: Myrmidon - ownage Hi. I'm a Dominix. I do everything better than a Myrmidon, as long as you zoom out so you can't see how ugly I am. Comparing different ship classes is never good Domi is much slower than a mym and you wont get very far going solo. The mym is just as good as the cane only with more drone options. Originally by: Merin Ryskin Quote: brutix - ownage Sure, it's a decent suicide ship with Neutron IIs, shield buffer tank, and a full rack of damage mods, but hardly enough to motivate anyone to train Gallente. Makes for a good DPS boat in gangs. Might be able to solo but I have yet to try it.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.01 13:07:00 - [2] Originally by: Pac SubCom Edited by: Pac SubCom on 01/02/2011 13:05:47 Even if you are somebody who can make blasters work, or is part of a group that makes blasters work, and his mention of rails is a strong indication that this is the case, then divulging your methods here is of no use. Better to await CCP's placebo buff that makes them happy. Only makes me better I suppose
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.02 10:58:00 - [3] [Thorax, Mad Max] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hammerhead II x5 This is my rax. It pumps a bit more DPS than your cane, moves a lot faster and aligns in 4.6 seconds. With this I have out run everything but cepters, out damaged just about every BC and some BS and it is great fun to fly. Why fly it over a cane? Because its easyer to get more of these out into 0.0, costs less to buy and can do the job of a cane while having the gtfo ability of a very fast cruiser. Fit ECM and I wil happily take on a cane.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.02 12:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Eighties Special [Hurricane, Shield Cane] Overdrive Injector System II Inertia Stabilizers II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Inertia Stabilizers II Inertia Stabilizers II Overdrive Injector System II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction 50W Infectious Power System Malfunction 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I Hobgoblin II x4 Hammerhead II x1 +1 for trying
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.02 17:57:00 - [5] Originally by: The Djego Originally by: baltec1 This is my rax. It pumps a bit more DPS than your cane, moves a lot faster and aligns in 4.6 seconds. With this I have out run everything but cepters, out damaged just about every BC and some BS and it is great fun to fly. Why fly it over a cane? Because its easyer to get more of these out into 0.0, costs less to buy and can do the job of a cane while having the gtfo ability of a very fast cruiser. Fit ECM and I will happily take on a cane. It don't pumps out more DPS than a cane, since the cane will switch to faction ammo to. The speed difference is 270m/s and it aligns 2.5s faster than a cane with one nano. Your turret DPS will be around 0 and you will lose range control 30s after you reach med neut range. At this point you will be down to 8k buffer, while the cane will still have around 35-40k and you die very quickly against the cane that starts to pull range again. Also there is a huge difference in gtfo ability within a fight or just trying to run away from one. Use ECM drones?
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.03 08:37:00 - [6] Is now a good time to bring up my idea for a nano shield buffer pulse apoc?
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.04 13:33:00 - [7] Originally by: The Djego Originally by: baltec1 Use ECM drones? Assuming you are not the only one that use them this days? Jam them first
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.08 14:00:00 - [8] Ahem
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.08 16:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Zilberfrid He is trying to prove that hammerheads are better damage dealers then blasters. At least, Hammerheads did more damage here. I had autocannons My point is while you lot are *****ing and moaning about gal ships and having them fight EFT battles I am out in the real eve and killing things with them. Yes its a loltastic curse but I didnt know that when I engaged him. Less EFT crafting people and more pvp.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.08 23:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Cambarus Given that the main complaint about gallente is that hybrids suck, I'd say you just made an argument for the opposing side there. I use autocannons because the fit is for range and speed and I would rather have capless guns so I can use the MWD for longer, much in the same way that I would use autocannons on a maller to save cap. Autocannons are also good at EM damage which is great for breaking ratters in my area. The reason I posted this is for all of the people insisting to just "buy a cane, everything else sucks". My Mega, Hyperion and thorax all use blasters and are all great.

baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.09 08:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Cambarus Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Cambarus Given that the main complaint about gallente is that hybrids suck, I'd say you just made an argument for the opposing side there. I use autocannons because the fit is for range and speed and I would rather have capless guns so I can use the MWD for longer, much in the same way that I would use autocannons on a maller to save cap. Autocannons are also good at EM damage which is great for breaking ratters in my area. The reason I posted this is for all of the people insisting to just "buy a cane, everything else sucks". My Mega, Hyperion and thorax all use blasters and are all great. Again, the only proof you've posted is that autocannons are better than blasters. The gist of your argument amounts to something like this: X: Hybrids suck, hybrid boats suck, they need to be fixed. ("buy a cane, everything else sucks") You: No, see? I can make a vexor work with autocannons too! (the irony here being that a cane WOULD be better for this) Thorax is decent, but is still outclassed by the rupture. Mega is provably worse than its amarrian counterpart. See any one of my dozens of posts on the subject for the reasoning, including a few that even factor in the use of webs that the mega has. Give the vexor laser bonuses and paint it gold and I would still use autocannons because of cap reasons. Does this mean lasers suck ass too? No. It means I use autos simply because they are capless. A cane is also much slower and less nimble than a vexor which means I can out run one of the most used ships in pvp. As for your mega complaints, I fly mine with a shild tank. Sounds daft right? Well crazy thing is it has the speed, the range and the tank to make blasters work while not being an armour plated sitting duck.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.09 10:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Kepakh Originally by: baltec1 My Mega, Hyperion and thorax all use blasters and are all great. You know, pretty much any setup is good for killing lol fitted ships but that does not make blaster boats good because as soon as your Thorax face properly fitted and piloted Rupture, it will pop. Your shield Mega will melt once facing properly fitted BS because it might have range, speed and damage but definitely has no EHP to compensate traded attributes. And sorry to tell you but neither your Vexor will be able to outrun a Cane... Comparing your performance against poorly fitted and flown ships might reflect your in-game achievements of killing poorly fitted ships of the ships but has nothing to do with balancing. Show me a cane that can do 1800m/s + and get an align time in the range of a slow frigate that doesnt gimp the rest of its fittings. Every cane I have met I have outrun and my hyperion and mega have more than proved themselves in game. Does everyone I encounter fly crap ships? If this is the case then I must be the best pilot in all of north eastern eve. Or perhaps you just suck at flying these ships.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.09 15:19:00 - [13] Edited by: baltec1 on 09/02/2011 15:20:29 Originally by: Kepakh Oh, I thought you meant 'outrun' as Cane won't be able to hit you and you somehow could take on that Cane.... Nevermind, I thought you were making some point. Only point being made here is just how bad you are with blasters and gal hulls. This requires another page tbh to get to the bottom of just how it is you cannot keep a target in range of a ranis
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.09 15:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Kepakh Originally by: baltec1 Only point being made here is just how bad you are with blasters and gal hulls. Use AC over blasters and kill poorly fitted and piloted ships -> blaster problem fixed. Yeah, we got your message already... Gotta love the selective reading going on around here
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.09 21:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Space Tarantula Haklar Edited by: Space Tarantula Haklar on 09/02/2011 17:26:27 Let's try some speculation Taranis works because besides being able to equep upper tiers guns (Neutrons) (granted sacrificing 1 fitting module slot ), can equip a MWD/AB and maintain good tanking ability as tank is mainly given by speed. Thorax, for example, can't really compete because fitting upper tiers guns (Heavy Neutrons), a MWD + 1 fitting module and you give away all tank: no real tank speed, no armor tank and no shield tank neither. If you downgrade your guns to IONs you can still get well over 500 dps out of a rax with around 1600m/s and a not too shabby shield buffer.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.09 21:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Space Tarantula Haklar Really ?... Me not so stupid, me knowing that, hehehe ... But it doesn't exactly invalidate my point neither TBH most ships have the problem not being able to fit a full rack of the biggest weapons and a good tank with MWD and tackle ect. But it would take the fun out of it if we could fit everything
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.18 19:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Predator989 Originally by: freshspree tbh, nothing beats a hyperion at close range in terms of dps. They could use a lil nudge in effective range though. Tracking on rails also needs a lil nudge. The hyp may do a lot of this so called dps, BUT the big issues of it = tracking and the balance of tank/gank. You don't buffer fit it armor because you waste the bonus, and if you try to ''tank'' fit it too much then you waste the gank factor. You can active shield tank it or buffer shield tank it effectively, but again.....that nerfs your choice of mids that could be used for other things like 2x webs for example. I mean really at this moment in time other than ''station'' games in small scale fits the hyp = worthless in my book. I'd rather fly a megathron over it any day, and I'd rather fly my vindicator over the mega since it seems to be the only ''good'' blaster boat sporting 2k dps and having almost 400k ehp with slaves in a gang. (and 24km 90% overheated webs don't forget that) I take my hyperion on shield BC roams. It has the range, speed, buffer, agility and dps to more than make it great at these roams. As for tracking, I have been shooting fighters and heavy drones out of the sky as well as cruisers so its not as gimped as many think. I am currently testing a mega with the same style of fit but it gets less buffer and speed but the tracking is rather nice to have. I wouldnt ever fly them solo but in a gang they are rather nice.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.22 22:52:00 - [18] So what people are now finding is that on paper the mega and hyperion blaster boats are not as bad as you first thought . Something I have been saying from the start as I fly these things in game.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.23 15:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Swynet Originally by: baltec1 So what people are now finding is that on paper the mega and hyperion blaster boats are not as bad as you first thought . Something I have been saying from the start as I fly these things in game. Yes on paper. On paper Minmatar are not "pownmobiles", on paper Drakes are BC's ... That's all about it? -on paper? They work for me in game. You see, unlike many rabbling in here I use EFT to see if something will fit and get a rough idea of what the ship can do. Thats all EFT is good for, to know what a ship can do you must fly it in game and practice with it. But I am all for you lot getting me even more power out of my favorate ships
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.23 16:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Swynet So do you accept my invitation in game to take a ride of 5 jumps deep low and show me how good you are in your mega or your Hyperion or you are just trolling and flying minmatar? Be sure you'll get GF, all people around there are -SS and i know a lot of them waiting some guy like you to show them how good you are, I even offer you a price: for each ship you destroy i'll pay you a Mega, so, what do you say? I travel in BC gangs into NC space and get plenty of kills (provided they are not frigates or other things that die so fast I cannot lock them.) so how much is the going rate for one of these?

baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.23 16:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Cambarus Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Swynet So do you accept my invitation in game to take a ride of 5 jumps deep low and show me how good you are in your mega or your Hyperion or you are just trolling and flying minmatar? Be sure you'll get GF, all people around there are -SS and i know a lot of them waiting some guy like you to show them how good you are, I even offer you a price: for each ship you destroy i'll pay you a Mega, so, what do you say? I travel in BC gangs into NC space and get plenty of kills (provided they are not frigates or other things that die so fast I cannot lock them.) so how much is the going rate for one of these? I see a fight where you outnumbered the guys you were shooting 4 to 1, had much bigger ships, and still lost a sabre. What exactly are you trying to prove? Because a km will track everyone who doesnt shoot and will tell you the saber tackled targets before the gang was on gate...
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.23 17:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Jame Jarl Retief Edited by: Jame Jarl Retief on 23/02/2011 16:52:12 Originally by: baltec1 Because this topic started on the gal ships not being bad and you lot whipping out eft and screaming "use the cane". But aren't you using the cane? I mean in the alliance killboard you linked, under your ships and weapons, Hurricane is your most used ship, followed by Hound. You used those two twice as much as you used any Gallente ship. Using the killboard starts from EVE Kill.net which look more complete still shows you using Amarr and Minmatar ships far, far, FAR more often than Gallente. Now, why is that, if Gallente are just fine and dandy? See, that's what kills me about the people saying Gallente/hybrids/whatever are just fine. I go and look at their combat history, and they don't fly Gallente, don't use hybrids/whatever. P.S. I'm not trying to get personal here, it's just an observation I noted a little while ago. I know there's alts and whatnot, but still for the most part I never see someone who mostly flies Gallente claim Gallente are fine. In fact, I have trouble finding people who fly Gallente at all with any degree of success outside of 10vs1 battles that could have been won with an Ibis armed with a civilian gatling. It lies. It also says I am an ecm expert even though I hardly ever use ecm boats. I trained up gal ships fully a few months back and have flown gal ships for quite some time. The vast bulk of my mimitar comes from the hound and I have a lot of amarr experience flying a retribution of all things. Not too sure why the cane is so high up as I dont fly it that much. I would have thought the caracal would have been much higher up too... I love that ship.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.23 18:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Jame Jarl Retief Ah, then EVE Kill.net board is more accurate, it shows Retribution as #1 with 132 kills and Caracal as #5 with 66 kills. And your leading Gallente is a Hyperion is #14 with 19 kills. And cane still shows 29 kills and comes in #9. Out of 806 kills listed 543 were with Amarr ships and Gallente kills are 31. See what I mean? Even if the data is half-right at best, it still makes Gallente your least played ships, behind even Caldari, and WAY behind Minmatar and Amarr. And this trend is not unique. Like I said in the top 20 most common ships, there's only 2 Gallente ships, where statistically there should be at least 5. And one of them is a T2 ship, while top 5 ships are all T1. There's a reason behind it, it doesn't just happen. I can't even blame it on small sample size, because the it lists about a million kills. Still begs the question, at least in my mind - if Gallente are just fine, why is it nobody flies them? My age plays against me. I have flown gal ships for only the past few months so the years of using other ships kinda shows up more. (christ the ret is really my top killing ship? LOL). Hopefully I will get a bit more time soon for BC Ops so I can take out something other than a solo bomber.

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