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Emma Hewitt
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.05 11:20:00 -
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EVE generally doesn't take a lot of bandwidth. Tested a 2.5-3 hour session yesterday and 15.71 MB bandwidth was used (PI, missioning with about 125+ in local at all times, transporting goods 5-10 jumps one-way, a little bit of forum browsing).
High Bandwidth usage is anything streaming (movies, youtube, music, radio, news etc). Downloading (updates for programs, games, patches, downloading music, games, movies)
For example: A 3 min music video on youtube used 35.05 MB bandwidth (not sure how exactly youtube videos and bandwidth works). This is equal to approximately 5-6 hours of EVE gameplay.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.02.05 11:47:00 -
[92]
 Originally by: Connan O' Brian
They like every other person that actually thinks about it, realize that giving ISP's the ability to block, tier, steer, and obstruct the internet how they see fit is probably a bad idea.
This is possibly the most naive post I have seen in 5 years. Congratulations.
Every single ISP/carrier ALREADY prioritises traffic. They always have, although the days of using rules on old routers (like Cisco 7400s) are gone except for the "we're running the business on a shoestring" operations.
These days, prioritising UDP over TCP is just the start of things and if you think ISPs/carriers don't deliberately route certain types of traffic on the "lowest-cost" route then here's a nice bridge for you  They are all BUSINESSES and as such they'll route and prioritise such that they MAXIMISE profit - if they did otherwise then (in the UK and USA at least) the board would be liable to civil action due to failing to put shareholders interests first.
There is NO "net neutrality", nor has there been in the last 15 years - prior to that peering points basically didn't exist so you'd have to always use the "dominant carrier", which is why so many people actively dislike using L3/Abovenet for anything at all 
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.02.05 11:50:00 -
[93]
Quote:
I fail to understand how in developed countries, Canada/UK/Belgium/USA....
I live in the ehm.... not really developed Italy and I download 1-2 GB per day with no limit, I am paying 7 euros for connectivity a month.
I also have an USB DSL for when I travel (capped at 5GB per month, 15 or so euros fee), EvE does not go above 3-4MB per day if you do stuff like mining or trading, never went above 25MB per day.
Basically if you play EvE and randomly browse, the browsers used 10 times as much bandwidth than EvE.
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Emma Hewitt
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.05 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:
I fail to understand how in developed countries, Canada/UK/Belgium/USA....
I live in the ehm.... not really developed Italy and I download 1-2 GB per day with no limit, I am paying 7 euros for connectivity a month.
I also have an USB DSL for when I travel (capped at 5GB per month, 15 or so euros fee), EvE does not go above 3-4MB per day if you do stuff like mining or trading, never went above 25MB per day.
Basically if you play EvE and randomly browse, the browsers used 10 times as much bandwidth than EvE.
Yes, this is true. Eve forums isn't to bad with no ads and very little pictures. Looked up a loadout (battleclinic) via google and it took 3-4 MB just to load the first link and first page of a battleclinic loadout. After doing some testing and reading this forum I am really shocked to find out a MMO game uses very little bandwidth.
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Ayieka
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Posted - 2011.02.05 13:36:00 -
[95]
all i know is that ive had eve running in the background while playing bad company online and didnt notice any lag increase, also i can play eve while people in the house are running torrents, so im pretty sure it doesn't need much bandwidth.
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2011.02.05 13:56:00 -
[96]
If this information helps Team Gridlock then make it so.
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Taz Devil
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Posted - 2011.02.05 15:24:00 -
[97]
Welcome to Australia
We've had download limits for the past decade, although we are going the opposite way now with some 1tb plans being released lately
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.05 16:54:00 -
[98]
Considering you can play EVE on 56k dialup it isn't very much data at all needed.
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Vhan
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Posted - 2011.02.05 18:02:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Taz Devil
Welcome to Australia
We've had download limits for the past decade, although we are going the opposite way now with some 1tb plans being released lately
We have download limits in some places in the United States. The communication companies have tried various tactics and excuses to meter our bandwidth. All of those excuses have been proven to be lies (Austin, Tx, USA cap fight won against a cable provider FAQ: Cap FAQ).
The folks in the US pay on average 9x as much as other countries for the bandwidth we are given, which is already massaged bandwidth. Metered usage stifles innovation and is pure greed.
In short, the US companies are gouging the sh!t out of us for just about all our services except heat, power, and water.
I easily use 5 gigs a day, which includes Eve Online and support sites that are needed to play the game (not enough information in-game to play it sufficiently, which is why the info and fan sites exist for it). Of course, I watch netflix space movies, while I'm playing. :)
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ALSO: A suggestion if you go over your limit and get charged 2$ per gigabyte... You can probably order two cable modems/DSL/whatever and shotgun them (bind the data streams into one machine). I did this to double my bandwidth at one of my previous houses, because the boxes were limited lower than the coax could handle. You'd split your usage between the two bills (in theory) giving you double the limit.
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Pearljammer 5657
Caldari
The Hull Miners Union
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.02.13 21:59:00 -
[100]
This is for all the Canadian Eve players. The Federal Government and Prime Minister has overturned the CRTC desicion and asked them to go back to the drawing board. One MP even said that there will never be internet usuage based fees under a Coservative Government.
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2011/02/02/17131626.html
Im extremely pleased that the people we have elected got this one right and looked out for its citizens. Netflix coming to Canada worried Telus and Shaw (Cable, ISP, Phone Companies) offer movies as well but at the standard $5.99 per movie. Netflix at $8 a month is a great deal, though the movies they provide are a few years older and new releases are limited IMO. There are more politics to it but whatever...
Fat Cat companies want to take more of our money and its BS. They need to adapt or die.
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Titus Phook
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.13 23:25:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Titus Phook on 13/02/2011 23:28:48
@Zombatar and any other UK users stuck with a stupid bandwidth cap/ low speeds. Try Be internet, uncapped and up to 24mb/s ADSL2 if you're close to the telephone exchange, they do have a fair use policy but it basically consists of "don't take the urine"
Worst thing I ever did was move to an area of town they don't cover.
The reason we get crappy speeds in the UK is that our telephone network is mainly copper wire thats getting close to 90 odd years old.
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Klandi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.02.14 00:11:00 -
[102]
To the OP and anyone else interested
Here's how to find out ....
1) Download an analyzer and install on your computer
2) Prepare a filter that only captures traffic going to and from the TQ server
3) Login to Eve and play for a while
Most analyzers will give you a readout of how much traffic is being sent/received as a bandwidth amount. There is your answer to the amount of bandwidth used.
IMPORTANT: Performing this action - if found out - will give CCP just cause to ban you as it is against the EULA
Hope this helps ... have a nice day
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Samuel Caldara
b.b.k
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.02.14 01:57:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Samuel Caldara on 14/02/2011 02:02:18
I could check my upload/download packet amount and give you an estimate.. But is it against the EULA? Can a GM comment on this? I don't want to be banned for trying to help someone...
-Sam
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Awesome Possum
Gallente Isk Relocation Services
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Posted - 2011.02.14 04:07:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Othran
Originally by: Connan O' Brian
They like every other person that actually thinks about it, realize that giving ISP's the ability to block, tier, steer, and obstruct the internet how they see fit is probably a bad idea.
This is possibly the most naive post I have seen in 5 years. Congratulations.
Every single ISP/carrier ALREADY prioritises traffic. They always have, although the days of using rules on old routers (like Cisco 7400s) are gone except for the "we're running the business on a shoestring" operations.
These days, prioritising UDP over TCP is just the start of things and if you think ISPs/carriers don't deliberately route certain types of traffic on the "lowest-cost" route then here's a nice bridge for you They are all BUSINESSES and as such they'll route and prioritise such that they MAXIMISE profit - if they did otherwise then (in the UK and USA at least) the board would be liable to civil action due to failing to put shareholders interests first.
There is NO "net neutrality", nor has there been in the last 15 years - prior to that peering points basically didn't exist so you'd have to always use the "dominant carrier", which is why so many people actively dislike using L3/Abovenet for anything at all
Please sign me up for whatever it is you're smoking, thank you.
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Ma'Kahn
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Posted - 2011.02.14 08:24:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Ma''Kahn on 14/02/2011 08:25:40
Don't know the exact figures but as far as I see it ranks somewhere between "not worth mentioning" and "does it send / receive.. at all?!".
25 gigs should be more than enough to handle Eve's monthly traffic. The other stuff, like browsing Eve related websites, TS3 and such is a different story.
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Klandi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.02.14 09:16:00 -
[106]
Samuel
Yep - that is the passage I am referring to and I have asked to do this type of stuff before and I have not been allowed to - but see what happens.
There is a trending mode on some analyzers that collects stats and that is really all that is required. I know Observer uses layer2 info to build a bandwidth graph - and even though it uses trending (where the header information is captured and not the payload), I think the customer facing department of CCP will still see that as "sniffing" (as it is) hence against the EULA
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Tornado Spawn
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Posted - 2011.02.14 09:33:00 -
[107]
I have more or less a good figure for you as i'am playing on a laptop with mobile broadband while abroad, and the software for the modem gives me the data usage.
If you only use EVE with out voice the avarage data usage per hour will be arround 2 - 3 MB.
If you also use voice comms, then it will go to about 25 MB/h if there is a lot of talking going on, like a fight with lots of commands. It's lower with just some idle corp/alliance chatting.
Hope this helps you.
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Jack Paladin
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.02.14 09:52:00 -
[108]
Sucks about you guys in the US being throttled. I am pretty sure it is only a matter of time before it happens here in the EU.
The moral of this story is ... Less **** and More EVE! You will be fine! Unless your connection is shared then your in a bit of a pickle.
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Sealiah
Minmatar
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
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Posted - 2011.02.14 10:13:00 -
[109]
Limited internet transfers? That still exists somewhere in the universe?
And more seriously - if it's only web browsing, 15gb would be enough, even on patch months for an average user. You will have to limit your self from music and movie downloading, but apart from that you should be fine.
If you don't count in occasional movie downloads I do, I guess my usage wouldn't exceed 10gb per month. Including movies... It looks far, far worse, hehe :P
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Richard Christy
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Posted - 2011.02.14 11:37:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Palovana
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Razputon
Dial-up, DSL, Cable, its all the same. They all come from the same companies and they all charge it the same way. It also sucks that I can now kiss Netflix, Steam or any similar service goodbye.
the idea got pretty well shot down in the states, I mean would Canada really go and do something that assbackwards? 
Comcast in the US has a 250GB cap. It's a realistic limit for normal surfing/gaming (obviously not running BitTorrent 24x7).
Still not enough to stream one Netflix movie per day (Comcast is trying to steer customers towards their own VoD offerings).
OP: you might want to see if a "business" level account which allows more GB/month is available, just tell them you need it for telecommuting.
FIOS 4tw.
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Pookie McPook
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Posted - 2011.02.14 15:13:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Titus Phook
The reason we get crappy speeds in the UK is that our telephone network is mainly copper wire thats getting close to 90 odd years old.
To be honest copper is a very good conductor and is not the problem. Back in the 70s BT (or its precursor) in its wisdom installed aluminium conductors (An element well known for its poor conductivity and tendency to crumble to dust)...the rest is history.
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Samuel Caldara
b.b.k
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.02.15 01:07:00 -
[112]
I was planning on just using iStat which monitors internet usage. With nothing else open no other data should be going back and forth thus just telling me about eve...
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Extreme Prejudice.
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Posted - 2011.02.15 01:46:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Pookie McPook
Originally by: Titus Phook
The reason we get crappy speeds in the UK is that our telephone network is mainly copper wire thats getting close to 90 odd years old.
To be honest copper is a very good conductor and is not the problem. Back in the 70s BT (or its precursor) in its wisdom installed aluminium conductors (An element well known for its poor conductivity and tendency to crumble to dust)...the rest is history.
BT still hasn't unpackaged fibre optic connections in the more remote parts of the UK. I live in the middle of nowhere so have a 20gb limit, no matter which provider I am with.
If I were in london or another major city, I could stream at insane speeds with no real limit.
One of the downsides of living in the countryside. Shesh we got nothing to do as is besides stare at sheep.
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DeadlySPade
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.02.15 05:44:00 -
[114]
As a canadian player i was watching this topic very closly and well.. the goverment for the moment has cancelled the plans for usage base billing.. and even if they didn't it wouldnt affect any current subscriber..
I sign up with bell canada 5 year ago for there high speed unlimited internet. which mean unlimited everything bandwidth speed etc... tho over the last 5 year they have slower raise the price, they will never be able to cancel the service i have with them because i am granfather into the contract..
So bottom line is even if they did bring in usage based billing as long as current user do not cancel their service, switch providers, or breach term of there original contract. The isp will not be able to start charging u per uasge inder the law change that was purposed..
The only reason the big companies wanted it brought in was not to start charging current user. It was so that the small companies offering unlimited bandwidth would have to adopt there bussiness model of usage based billing which all of the big isp already do.
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Ocih
Amarr
The Program
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.02.15 05:55:00 -
[115]
Also Cdn and beyond the some times large patch data it isnt a concern. Most packages are 25GB up to 75GB and even with the odd 2-4 GB patch file, thats nothing.
The game itself is all command file and log files. I doubt a multi account, chronic user ( I fit that description) would ever crack a GB a month just playing. MMOs are not high bandwidth use, contrary to what the guy on AM640 said. |
Edward Price
Caldari
Vengance Inc.
Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2011.02.15 07:47:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Edward Price on 15/02/2011 07:55:25
Edited by: Edward Price on 15/02/2011 07:54:41
Edited by: Edward Price on 15/02/2011 07:50:21
At least you chaps will be getting the first 15-25GB free. If you wish to see truly fascist broadband service, do some research on the tripe we have in South Africa. With only one fixed line operator (Telkom), you may have epic deals such an affordable 384Kbs "broadband" ADSL line. If you wish to splash out, you can have a 4Mbs line that, if you are lucky, may synch at the superfast speed of 10Mbs. 
(Did I mention, with a 10Mbs line, your max upstream rate will be 640Kbs?) 
After all this you are forced to pay an additional amount of monthly rental for POTS service, as well as pay another company for your actual interwebz access; where you will pay per GB of usage, from the word go. Granted, things has improved much over here. 2 years ago, the largest bandwidth bundle one could get was 4GB unshaped (Oh god don't even ask.) traffic. After the 4GB you are capped and have no more access. Now, the insane line service fees still apply, but bandwidth prices has dropped significantly. (From around 10USD per 1GB to about 4USD per 1GB now.)
Monthly prices at that time was:
"Fast" 384Kbs "broadband" - 20USD (give or take)
Mandatory POTS service (Yes, you had to pay extra for the telephone, with no opt out option) - 15USD
"Large" 3GB bundle of bandwidth - 40USD
I hope things change for the better for you Canucks.
[EDIT] Luckily Eve does have a very small footprint, nothing compared to say an FPS. You would be hard pressed to burn through 1GB a month playing Eve. (Us saffas know; for some of us that's all we may have.) The biggest bandwidth user will be comms.
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Phoehnix
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Posted - 2011.02.15 09:33:00 -
[117]
Looking at my bandwidth while flying through a system and jumping..
Flying: 0-2kbps (this is kbit, not KByte)
Jumping has a quick rise to 100-150kbps which also quickly falls back to 0
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Horring
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Posted - 2011.02.15 10:47:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Rasz Lin
network traffic in EVE depends entirely on what you do, if you stand still on empty grid it will be less than 0.1KB/s
new xero generic 3d plastic avatars mean every jump = downloading whole local avatar list from server.
Btw lol at the state of internet in America. Here in Europe Im getting unmetered 120/10 Mbit for <$50. 20/2 is $20. Can saturate both directions any time of the day (seeding torrents right now). No filters, no caps, no nanny internet censorship.
If im not mistaken America is quite large in comparison, so it's harder and more expensive to connect.
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Illwill Bill
Reign of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.02.15 11:02:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Illwill Bill on 15/02/2011 11:03:08
Originally by: Horring
If im not mistaken America is quite large in comparison, so it's harder and more expensive to connect.
That's not really the problem, tbh. While the US is twice as big as the EU, the states of America cooperates much more tightly than the countries in Europe does. Thus, building high-speed networks in the US is technically easier.
The main difference is that much of the broadband development in Europe has been done by state-owned companies, or at least with public funding. Therefore, it's not a fair comparison.
That being said, this doesn't change the fact that we have faster broadband. /me points and laughs.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Raeza
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2011.02.15 11:25:00 -
[120]
It's really not much, in between changing providers a while back I was using a pay-as-you-go mobile broadband dongle and to my surprise my GF would use far more allowance up browsing facebook for 15 minutes than I would playing eve for 4 hours.
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