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Johnny Guns
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Posted - 2011.02.03 04:43:00 -
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am i the only one who misses the ability to freeze the overview by holding down the CTRL key? is CCP aware that this ability was removed, and is CCP planning on restoring it?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.03 04:52:00 -
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It turned inside-out.
And exploded.
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n00n3r
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
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Posted - 2011.02.03 04:58:00 -
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it was working fine for me all day. Strange
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Frau Klaps
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.02.03 05:21:00 -
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CCP ruined keyboard shortcuts and the overview and input in general along with several other game breaking innovations.
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Hugo Myway
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Posted - 2011.02.03 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: Hugo Myway on 03/02/2011 05:33:53
Edited by: Hugo Myway on 03/02/2011 05:32:53
There've been other threads on it and there was an official aknowledgement of it (i believe) but...
.. this does need to be bumped for "squeaking wheel gets the grease" reasons.
This is a real playablity factor ... not the sort that gets the "omg they're messing with me" type outrage
but more
the expressed thought "pfft, i couldn't target the guys getting called primary, "
the resulting feeling ~(feeling) not a very satisfying night (/feeling)
the resulting action the following night: Playing the xbox or watching TV incrementally moving away
Some things make people angry, some indifferent ... the second can be as tough for a business as the first.
As people work differently, have different quickness in reaction speed, different vision qualities,
some-one at the younger end of the bell curve
and those with better vision
won't think its much a problem..
but for a fair number, the ~change~ (that should head of "dumbing down even rebuttals -its a change) make the game that much less interesting to play...
... so, as a customer service company, don't trust your own opinions if you can manage fine, go try to get some feedback from those who might be more effected (start with your corp-mates who play who are over 40 )
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Xercodo
Amarr
Daj'Juntar
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Posted - 2011.02.03 09:00:00 -
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Linkage
afaik it works only when the overview itself has focus...and i think its a toggle now instead of a press and hold.....i could be wrong tho...
its either that or it gets stuck in frozen/unfrozen if the overview loses focus
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2011.02.03 09:11:00 -
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It is indeed a bug, and the fix is well on its way to Tranquility.
Spitfire
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.02.03 09:32:00 -
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 Originally by: CCP Spitfire
It is indeed a bug, and the fix is well on its way to Tranquility.
Good to hear it. I hope it comes sooner rather than later, since I've gotten used to it and doing things the old fashioned way is very cumbersome and accident prone in comparison.
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2011.02.03 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
It is indeed a bug, and the fix is well on its way to Tranquility.
Good to hear it. I hope it comes sooner rather than later, since I've gotten used to it and doing things the old fashioned way is very cumbersome and accident prone in comparison.
Should be really *soon*; I'm just afraid to give an exact date because apparently I jinx things every time I do that. 
Spitfire
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2011.02.03 10:37:00 -
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ctrl + click to lock is a bit of a lucky dip if it will actually start to lock or not for me.
Somtimes ctrl + clicking in space before clicking on the tragte you want liocks makes it work, more often but still not 'reliable' like it was, missed a good number of kills already.
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Archesis
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:35:00 -
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Seems this new client patch just fixed it
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Cygnus Zhada
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Posted - 2011.02.03 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
It is indeed a bug, and the fix is well on its way to Tranquility.
Good to hear it. I hope it comes sooner rather than later, since I've gotten used to it and doing things the old fashioned way is very cumbersome and accident prone in comparison.
Should be really *soon*; I'm just afraid to give an exact date because apparently I jinx things every time I do that.
You just jinxed the jinx and because of that we'll end up in an infinite impossibility loop resulting in the fix never making it into TQ!
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.02.03 13:16:00 -
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CCP Spitfire,
I'd like to tell you that there's another bug.
I assigned CTRL+Q to quit the game (a default in the past afaik).
It works but only after you logged on. If the connection drops or in any case that drops you back to the login screen, you must use the factory keybinding (something much more tedious) and not yours.
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ivar R'dhak
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Posted - 2011.02.03 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
ctrl + click to lock is a bit of a lucky dip if it will actually start to lock or not for me.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I assigned CTRL+Q to quit the game (a default in the past afaik).
It works but only after you logged on.
Dito on the above two!
I routinely have to hit the fricken right-click menu to get something locked.
And yeah, stopped reassigning to the old ctrl-Q. Kinda got used now to the shift-alt-q. 
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2011.02.03 17:54:00 -
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While you're fixing the CTRL key, please recognize the 'down' status of the key when the Eve window gains focus.
It used to be I could be focused on another window (my 2nd eve client for instance), hit ctrl, and my first click was on the overview of the original Eve client, and I would instantly start targeting at the same time as giving client 1 the focus.
Now - I have to click on the main client 1 Eve window, release the ctrl-key if already pressed, re-press the ctrl-key, and then click on an overview target.
Somebody broke something (else) in the latest patch!
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2011.02.03 18:04:00 -
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I don't want to be rude but CCP should have a new company slogan:
"We fix stuff that works"
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Fennisair
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.02.03 19:40:00 -
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Are we going to get the same functionality for the new "Warp To" and "Jump/Dock/Activate Gate" shortcut keys?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.03 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
CCP Spitfire,
I'd like to tell you that there's another bug.
I assigned CTRL+Q to quit the game (a default in the past afaik).
It works but only after you logged on. If the connection drops or in any case that drops you back to the login screen, you must use the factory keybinding (something much more tedious) and not yours.
That's because each login (or maybe even each character ù haven't checked that thoroughly) has its own setup, including its own keybinds. Before you've logged in, there are no settings beyond what you can get in the ESC menuà
àand the ESC menu on the login screen unfortunately does not include keybinds, so you're stuck with the default keys. I wouldn't call it a bug, as such, but rather a thoroughly annoying oversight in how you can (or cannot) set up your client.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Calathea Sata
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Posted - 2011.02.03 19:53:00 -
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CCP break things -> CCP fix things -> CCP break things -> CCP fix things -> CCP break things -> CCP fix things -> CCP break things -> CCP fix things -> ......
WTF.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.02.03 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cozmik R5
I don't want to be rude but CCP should have a new company slogan:
"We fix stuff that works"
The old keyboard shortcut system was basically broken. It's improved in every way except for the bug with freezing the overview.
Now you can actually bind keys to things instead of clicking on every damn thing.
It's funny how many people complained about PI being a click-fest when the whole game was a click-fest.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.03 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
The old keyboard shortcut system was basically broken. It's improved in every way except for the bug with freezing the overview.
àand that quite a few shortcuts don't work unless you have the exact right thing in focus (which may or may not be connected to the shortcut's function). There is apparently no "fall-through" for key-presses ù or if there is, it's highly erratic ù which makes a large part of the whole point of having shortcutsà wellà pointless.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.02.03 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Kyra Felann
The old keyboard shortcut system was basically broken. It's improved in every way except for the bug with freezing the overview.
àand that quite a few shortcuts don't work unless you have the exact right thing in focus (which may or may not be connected to the shortcut's function). There is apparently no "fall-through" for key-presses ù or if there is, it's highly erratic ù which makes a large part of the whole point of having shortcutsà wellà pointless.
I've noticed a couple of instances of this happening, but hitting ALT+SPACE will focus on the overview. Doing this seems to make sure keys do what they're supposed. I agree that some tweaks are in order, but it's still far better than it was.
The only thing I really have to use the mouse for in space now is moving the camera around and access my cargo hold and the like. Maneuvering and combat can be done completely with the keyboard (or my G13 pad), which is what I've been wanting since I started playing in 2007.
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Originally by: CCP Ginger
Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.03 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
I've noticed a couple of instances of this happening, but hitting ALT+SPACE will focus on the overview. Doing this seems to make sure keys do what they're supposed. I agree that some tweaks are in order, but it's still far better than it was.
Oh definitely. Once it works, and when it works intermittently right now, it is and will be glorious.
It's just that interesting human condition making itself know, where something that is juuuuuust out of reach is far more annoying and aggravating than something that simply doesn't work at all. 
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.03 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Should be really *soon*; I'm just afraid to give an exact date because apparently I jinx things every time I do that.
Pax.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.02.03 20:54:00 -
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That's because each login (or maybe even each character ù haven't checked that thoroughly) has its own setup, including its own keybinds. Before you've logged in, there are no settings beyond what you can get in the ESC menuà
àand the ESC menu on the login screen unfortunately does not include keybinds, so you're stuck with the default keys. I wouldn't call it a bug, as such, but rather a thoroughly annoying oversight in how you can (or cannot) set up your client.
I know how it works, an oversight is still something that needs to be fixed.
The easiest way (not necessarily the best) would be to load the last played account keybindings at startup instead of after the next log in.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.02.03 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: War Kitten
While you're fixing the CTRL key, please recognize the 'down' status of the key when the Eve window gains focus.
It used to be I could be focused on another window (my 2nd eve client for instance), hit ctrl, and my first click was on the overview of the original Eve client, and I would instantly start targeting at the same time as giving client 1 the focus.
Now - I have to click on the main client 1 Eve window, release the ctrl-key if already pressed, re-press the ctrl-key, and then click on an overview target.
Somebody broke something (else) in the latest patch!
This plz, thnx.
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Arnar Jonsson
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Posted - 2011.02.06 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Arnar Jonsson on 06/02/2011 19:51:48
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CCP Optimal
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Posted - 2011.02.06 19:58:00 -
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As mentioned above, the bug with the overview not freezing properly when combat commands were triggered has now been solved.
The problem with the new, single key shortcuts (Q for approach, W for orbit, etc.) is that if focus is set to anything that accepts character input (a chat window for example), that window will utilize the character input event and the command will not get triggered. If you feel this is not acceptible, you can easily re-bind the commands to new shortcut key combinations that include modkeys (CTRL, ALT, SHIFT, MOUSE3/4/5) in which case window focus does not matter and the command will always be triggered.
Some of you have mentioned that CTRL + click sometimes does not seem to work 100% of the time. I'm not able to reproduce this problem, so any additional information would be very helpful (what do you have in focus before pressing CTRL, are you clicking the overview entry or the bracket while holding CTRL, etc.).
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.02.06 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: mkmin on 06/02/2011 20:15:03
Originally by: CCP Optimal
As mentioned above, the bug with the overview not freezing properly when combat commands were triggered has now been solved.
The problem with the new, single key shortcuts (Q for approach, W for orbit, etc.) is that if focus is set to anything that accepts character input (a chat window for example), that window will utilize the character input event and the command will not get triggered. If you feel this is not acceptible, you can easily re-bind the commands to new shortcut key combinations that include modkeys (CTRL, ALT, SHIFT, MOUSE3/4/5) in which case window focus does not matter and the command will always be triggered.
Some of you have mentioned that CTRL + click sometimes does not seem to work 100% of the time. I'm not able to reproduce this problem, so any additional information would be very helpful (what do you have in focus before pressing CTRL, are you clicking the overview entry or the bracket while holding CTRL, etc.).
The problem is that if the overview does not have focus, ctrl-clicking to lock does not work. Other things that might have focus are empty space, chat windows, P&P window, etc. Also, if you use ctrl-drone commands and continue holding down ctrl, it no longer works for locking a target (this worked perfectly fine under the old shortcuts.) I'm also finding that 1-key commands will randomly trigger if I'm alt-tabbed between different clients, although that might just be due to all the accidental double clicks because of ctrl-click now being luck based.
*edit - some of my language might be slightly trollish, but I'm just trying to communicate my user experience. It's making me wish I didn't get rid of my xbox.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2011.02.06 20:36:00 -
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the fact that the client at all needs focus is really annoying for those of us who run multiple clients. It used to be hold control then click all the primary targets on the overviews of all clients, now instead you need to drop ctrl focus on the next client, hit ctrl hit the target and release ctrl again, rince and repeat for each client.
Parrots, commence!
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