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Pete 0 Bear
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Posted - 2011.02.04 19:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Calathea Sata
If you're going to waste your free time fixing bugs instead of making up some ****ty Windows 7 in-my-eve then perhaps EVE wouldn't be in such a bad shape as it is today.
Yes, because other people should dictate what you spend your free time on. 
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Gravemind GER
Caldari
Community for Justice
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.04 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Calathea Sata
If you're going to waste your free time fixing bugs instead of making up some ****ty Windows 7 in-my-eve then perhaps EVE wouldn't be in such a bad shape as it is today.
you should go to WoW if you dont like it  . can i have your stuff? oh, and can i have your bitter tears?
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I Legionnaire
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.02.04 19:50:00 -
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/signed
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Calathea Sata
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Posted - 2011.02.04 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Gravemind GER
Originally by: Calathea Sata
If you're going to waste your free time fixing bugs instead of making up some ****ty Windows 7 in-my-eve then perhaps EVE wouldn't be in such a bad shape as it is today.
you should go to WoW if you dont like it . can i have your stuff? oh, and can i have your bitter tears?
Pathetic.
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Achrius
Caldari
Galactic Federation of Lolis
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Posted - 2011.02.04 20:08:00 -
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Signing this as some aesthetics wouldn't be bad.
Also if I may ask, is eve really in such a bad shape? I don't seem to be having any problems at all, eve seem to be one of the most stable MMO's out there. Either that or I'm not aware of them.
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Syphon Lodian
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.04 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Syphon Lodian on 04/02/2011 20:23:30
The neocom beta looked exactly like some Windows layout knockoff. It would completely and utterly ruin the game for some people, especially those people who work with a computer all day and are sick of Windows style work-machines.
It's important that they find a good style, with personality, and immersion. Something that fits into the EVE universe.
The proposed neocom that was scrapped, wasn't the answer. Also, don't cut down on horizontal space. Kind of important. 
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.02.04 20:22:00 -
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The new neocom was a good step towards a more customizable ui. It needed some work, but nothing major. It's too bad we now have to wait another several years to see anything new on this subject.
Oh well...
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.02.04 20:25:00 -
[38]
/signed
It needed tweaks and polish for sure, but it was a big step toward bringing the EVE UI kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
Just throwing it out is a big mistake, IMO.
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Mess Enger
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Posted - 2011.02.04 20:44:00 -
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/signed
Stop listening to the pompous high-pitched bitter trolls who live here in the forum crying, fearing and complaining about everything.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.02.04 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: yani dumyat
Edited by: yani dumyat on 04/02/2011 18:48:16
Players ask for excellence then when CCP temporarily pull a feature to give it some polish you moan about it.
it was a voluntary beta feature, obviously it would need more polish. and it sounded like they more than "temporarily" pulled it
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yani dumyat
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.02.04 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: yani dumyat
Edited by: yani dumyat on 04/02/2011 18:48:16
Players ask for excellence then when CCP temporarily pull a feature to give it some polish you moan about it.
it was a voluntary beta feature, obviously it would need more polish. and it sounded like they more than "temporarily" pulled it
I'll go learn to read, thought it was coming back. 
With all respect and kudos to CCP Optimal for doing it in his spare time I have to ask why he needed to do this? Why are CCP unwilling to spend any money on things like the UI which a lot of players appreciate, is a UI designer that expensive to hire?
I hope it's still being worked on somewhere and we'll see it again in a more polished form, like a vertical option and less annoying blinking stuff.
I'd be hesitant to add a /signed comment to this thread though, not because I dislike the neocom design but because if an individual is working in their free time then we get what we're given and I'm thankful for that individual's effort.
If the thread was asking for CCP to put some resources in to refurbishing the horrifically right clicky OS style UI then sure, supported. If you want to bring back the beta neocom then I'd rather see a 'send beer/presents to CCP Optimal' thread. Bet a ton of UI improvements would happen after someone books him a hooker.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.02.04 21:47:00 -
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i r disappoint 
I was quite looking forward to customizing the UI more than you can now.
Give the code to me and I'll fix it. I'll have to learn whatever it's written in first, but I'll fix it.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.02.04 21:51:00 -
[43]
Originally by: yani dumyat
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: yani dumyat
Edited by: yani dumyat on 04/02/2011 18:48:16
Players ask for excellence then when CCP temporarily pull a feature to give it some polish you moan about it.
it was a voluntary beta feature, obviously it would need more polish. and it sounded like they more than "temporarily" pulled it
I'll go learn to read, thought it was coming back.
With all respect and kudos to CCP Optimal for doing it in his spare time I have to ask why he needed to do this? Why are CCP unwilling to spend any money on things like the UI which a lot of players appreciate, is a UI designer that expensive to hire?
I hope it's still being worked on somewhere and we'll see it again in a more polished form, like a vertical option and less annoying blinking stuff.
I'd be hesitant to add a /signed comment to this thread though, not because I dislike the neocom design but because if an individual is working in their free time then we get what we're given and I'm thankful for that individual's effort.
If the thread was asking for CCP to put some resources in to refurbishing the horrifically right clicky OS style UI then sure, supported. If you want to bring back the beta neocom then I'd rather see a 'send beer/presents to CCP Optimal' thread. Bet a ton of UI improvements would happen after someone books him a hooker.
As far as I understand, they have formed a new UI team/hired a new UI guy only recently. I say let the UI people do their jobs, and create a neocom that's actually good instead of adding a broken one that they'll just have to throw away again later anyway.
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Ohanka
Caldari
The Lone Patrol
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.02.04 22:02:00 -
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Its not needed, the old one is fine. waste of time and money.
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Daedalus II
Helios Research
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Posted - 2011.02.04 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Syphon Lodian
Edited by: Syphon Lodian on 04/02/2011 20:23:30
The neocom beta looked exactly like some Windows layout knockoff. It would completely and utterly ruin the game for some people, especially those people who work with a computer all day and are sick of Windows style work-machines.
I'm working with Windows machines all day long and I don't have anything against the new neocom 
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.04 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: yani dumyat
I'd be hesitant to add a /signed comment to this thread though, not because I dislike the neocom design but because if an individual is working in their free time then we get what we're given and I'm thankful for that individual's effort.
If the thread was asking for CCP to put some resources in to refurbishing the horrifically right clicky OS style UI then sure, supported. If you want to bring back the beta neocom then I'd rather see a 'send beer/presents to CCP Optimal' thread. Bet a ton of UI improvements would happen after someone books him a hooker.
I'm pretty much of the same mind. The Neo¦com was an interesting attempt, but it had issues and would require some proper effort to be a good addition to the game. The UI should not be a hobby project.
I can't think of a good argument to keep that code around unless they're actually going to integrate it properly.
Originally by: Night Epoch
CCP believes feedback on the New Neocom Beta on SiSi was negative, apparently forgetting that the EVE community responds to everything negatively. Regardless, a lot of people really liked it.
Well, maybe someone hit on a critical spot for massive damage that showed that they'd have to give the whole thing some proper attention. Negative feedback should stop deployment, no matter how popular the addition is if (and this is the important bit) that feedback highlights some deep-seated problems that means it can't be used as a basis for future improvements.
I didn't pay much attention to the neocom feedback and testing beyond determining that I wouldn't use it in the state it was in, but given what it was (a hobby side-project) I don't find it hard to imagine that someone brought up a key piece of negative feedback that meant they'd have to rebuild the thing from scratch if they wanted to fix and expand on it in the future. That would mean any time polishing it would be wasted.
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Tagana Shavar
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Posted - 2011.02.04 22:17:00 -
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I'm reluctant to go /signed as I'm not a fan of petitions and I'm also certain there were good reasons to pull it, but I would like to state I was very much looking forward to checking it out as I thought it had potential. I was disappointed it didn't make the cut. So, fingers crossed something (even) better will come along in the not too distant future.
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Selinate
Amarr
Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.02.04 22:23:00 -
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**** the new neocom. Bring us real life Quafe!
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Feilamya
Pain Elemental
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Posted - 2011.02.04 22:40:00 -
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Feedback was negative for a reason: What's the point of having 3 buttons for the same thing, when one is enough?
Also, a customizable UI would make threads like this unnecessary. DAoC had this in 2004....
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2011.02.05 00:05:00 -
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I would sign if we knew for deffo if we could select between UI via the ESC menu like with the beta on Sisi.
The beta was good and all that but I found the present one better to use and have no qualms with it.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
my name actually is short for catherine
Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
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Slem Fyr
Caldari
Hollywood Talent Agency
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Posted - 2011.02.05 01:13:00 -
[51]
/signed
Tried it on singularity and thought it was the bees knees. It was the thing I was looking forward to in this patch.
Also, even if it did need to be re-coded from "scratch" because of some big fundamental coding flaw, allowing the feature in beta would allow the developers to gain much more feedback on the functionality and looks of it. Nobody says they had to release it before they had (completely) re-coded it, and nobody forces anyone to go and turn on some beta code if they like the old menu system so much.
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2011.02.05 01:16:00 -
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/signed - the EVE UI _is_ old and busted, a rework is desperately needed.
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mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.02.05 01:18:00 -
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I think the entire UI needs a major overhaul. Doing the neocom as a side project is to me a mistake. If the neocom is the first step in a larger revision of the entire UI, then I support it.
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Selinate
Amarr
Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.02.05 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Selinate on 05/02/2011 01:21:52
Originally by: mechtech
I think the entire UI needs a major overhaul. Doing the neocom as a side project is to me a mistake. If the neocom is the first step in a larger revision of the entire UI, then I support it.
The neocom is just fine as it is. It's not the neocom that contributes to the incredible cluster **** of a horrible UI that Eve has. If you minimize it, it's hardly noticeable, but it's when the 8 targets, the overview, the drone window, the fleet window, the chat window, and maybe a map or market or whatever the hell else the user has open get on that same screen that Eve's UI degrades into a terrible piece of crap.
New neocom? It just sits on the side and is quite handy, imo, and didn't need to be put on the bottom (as if that would help anything).
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Shoo Dae
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.05 02:22:00 -
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/signed
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Indecision is a terrible thing.
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DarkAegix
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Posted - 2011.02.05 02:40:00 -
[56]
/Signed
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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.02.05 04:45:00 -
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/signed till it's DEsigned
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Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
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Posted - 2011.02.05 05:07:00 -
[58]
/signed
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trjcquee
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Posted - 2011.02.05 05:09:00 -
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No.
It was a solution in search of a problem because the existing Neocom is NOT broken. Not nearly as much as many other things (e.g. drone control interface).
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The new shiny Neocom violates that rule and I'm glad CCP scrapped it. |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.02.05 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
The UI should not be a hobby project.
The best UIs in MMOs come from hobbiests, when the developers let the players mod the UI.
Carbonite for WoW was pretty good (amongst adding a few more mods like bartender etc)
Proffit UI is good for EQ2 (well until the original creator abandoned it).
CCP should open up the UI for modders honestly. We'd probably see some pretty good UI stuff from the talented programmers that play EVE.
And anyone who wants to cry about bots and modding the UI, stfu, they'll find a way to bot anyways :P
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