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Night Epoch Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:13:00 - [1] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: CCP Explorer See here. See Here. It has not yet been re-scheduled for another iteration, that's all I can say for now. This was a project done in free time and the feedback was negative so we removed the code. The New Neocom is dead, for now. Tell CCP to resurrect it! Yes, it was unpolished (it was a beta after all), but it was a step in the right direction. The EVE UI is old and busted, and the new Neocom would have been a nice step towards giving it a facelift. CCP believes feedback on the New Neocom Beta on SiSi was negative, apparently forgetting that the EVE community responds to everything negatively. Regardless, a lot of people really liked it. Sign below.
Great Notion	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:17:00 - [2] /signed
Derus Grobb Minmatar Selectus Pravus Lupus Transmission Lost	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:17:00 - [3] Signed I thought it was a good change, you could customise the buttons to suit your needs. ---
Quetazal Gallente Clann Fian	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:19:00 - [4] /signed for the shiny. I came, I saw, I downloaded.
Rixiu The Forgotten Navy	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:19:00 - [5] Not signed. The time needed to make a new neocom is better spent elsewhere on the UI. Not saying the current neocom is perfect though, fixing the few odd things about it would be awesome.
OC 2av2	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:20:00 - [6] /signed
OC 2av2	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Rixiu Not signed. The time needed to make a new neocom is better spent elsewhere on the UI. Not saying the current neocom is perfect though, fixing the few odd things about it would be awesome. /signed for this too
Magnus Orin Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:29:00 - [8] Perhaps projects done in the spare time of CCP employees should not be announced publicly unless they are actually stated for release. I'm wondering if this new "player beta testing on tranquility" project will see more of this, with pet projects touted as expansion features before hand but never to see the light of day after the fact. Kinda sad. I was looking forward to a UI update. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you.
Illwill Bill Noxious Intention	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:32:00 - [9] /signed Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
Josefius Gallente JOKAS Industries Apocalypse Now.	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:36:00 - [10] I thought the screenshots were ugly and I'm glad it's gone.
mkmin	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:36:00 - [11] Denied. Let the pre-beta demo quality release of the new neocom die a miserable death. Let the actual UI designer put together something that isn't game breakingly bad. Give us quality, not shiny for the sake of shiny regardless how bad it is.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:37:00 - [12] No thanks. Excel in space is enough. No need to add Windows in space on top of it. They got the contract changes in, which is what I was looking forward to. I do feel sorry for the Devs that put in their free time to change the often yelled at UI, but they should have tackled the core issues players have with the UI, instead of writing a MOD.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:45:00 - [13] I'm neutral on the new neocom, but the reason they scrapped it is pure BS. The UI in general is in desperate need of dev love and added customization options. Most of the negative responses that I read where given because you couldn't align it vertically, it resembled OS UIs, it was a waste of effort(like every feature is according to part of the playerbase) and other minor tweaking issues. All minor issues you could fix based on the feedback. I got the impression people were cautious and a bit worried about it, but they were still generally optimistic. The feedback was to ensure the feature would be better than ever and could be a fitting replacement for the old neocom. I just don't see where CCP got the idea that we seemed to hate the idea. Some negative feedback is to be expected and the actual feedback they got wasn't really that negative to begin with IIRC. CCP, if you are going to back down like this the UI is never going to get the improvements it needs. This feature was a decent start and it was optional, so you had the perfect opportunity to implement it on TQ and to develop and polish it further based on the feedback. /signed on UI facelift/reworking/development/CCP not being a bunch of spineless quitters
Gravemind GER Caldari Community for Justice Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:46:00 - [14] /signed but add a option to move it in all 4 window borders to freeze the whining and moaning about no vertical neocom. U SIR ARE A SPAI!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Rixiu Not signed. The time needed to make a new neocom is better spent elsewhere on the UI. Not saying the current neocom is perfect though, fixing the few odd things about it would be awesome. all the ui needs work if they already have it almost working might as well let us play with it rather than just throw it out and /signed
Kinkeh Witch	Posted - 2011.02.04 17:54:00 - [16] /signed I really liked it,I play eve on a laptop and the reduced amount of screen cluter I obtained purely by having the neocom along the base of the screen was awsome..
Mista Chafe	Posted - 2011.02.04 18:37:00 - [17] hahahahaha!!
Calathea Sata	Posted - 2011.02.04 18:38:00 - [18] CCP: hire the guy who did the CONCORD video for UI design.
yani dumyat Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.04 18:45:00 - [19] Players ask for excellence then when CCP temporarily pull a feature to give it some polish you moan about it. Seriously, pull yourself together.
RedemptionShip	Posted - 2011.02.04 18:47:00 - [20] wellale,,.aemhm m,,.i rleia leiekde itet,.,.anwela,.,.[i eytihekn uet,.,.saohueld rpeorebleey bereing i bek ouer i wi,.,.)] wel bae,.wel,.,.jues berin it mek :) :) :) :))) /sihngned hi
Calathea Sata	Posted - 2011.02.04 18:48:00 - [21] Originally by: yani dumyat Players ask for excellence then when CCP temporarily pull a feature to give it some polish you moan about it. Seriously, pull yourself together. Shut up, neocom or not, CCP still failed to deliver excellence.
Jebari	Posted - 2011.02.04 18:50:00 - [22] Why not install a flash based UI and open the source code for it? Then the players can do the UI overhaul.
xxI ReApZz	Posted - 2011.02.04 19:09:00 - [23] signed. I really thought this was a step forward. And why should people rage, when the new neocom was optional..... please put it back in so that you can benefit the community that actually liked it. All those haters can just disable it afterall.....
Karma Vortex Incorporated	Posted - 2011.02.04 19:11:00 - [24] /signed I would like to have a say in what does and doesn't show up on my neocon. I never use contracts, or fleets, or help, or corporation (one-man corp)... would be nice to move them all out of the way... and why are there right now TWO container-icons (services, and accessories.. could move them all into one easily.) wouldn't mind the same for the character sheet either... only use three or four regularly on there. It would be nice to move the rest out of the way. that said, if they'd said that someone was doing the new neocom on their own free time... I think they'd be getting a bit more positive feedback... and at least they could've made it optional.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2011.02.04 19:13:00 - [25] Edited by: Blane Xero on 04/02/2011 19:15:17 Posting in support of a movement declared by a thread started by a poster who quoted a reply by a Developer to one of my posts in which I quoted myself in order to make a point. I'd say, given the results, it was a point well made. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.02.04 19:22:00 - [26] I liked it Retro sig
Siigari Kitawa Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.02.04 19:35:00 - [27] I didn't liked it. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Gravemind GER Caldari Community for Justice Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.02.04 19:37:00 - [28] i feel sad for ccp optimal :( all these trolls are breaking his small software engineer heart.
Calathea Sata	Posted - 2011.02.04 19:39:00 - [29] If you're going to waste your free time fixing bugs instead of making up some ****ty Windows 7 in-my-eve then perhaps EVE wouldn't be in such a bad shape as it is today.
fukier The Unpodable Supermen	Posted - 2011.02.04 19:42:00 - [30] signed/ i am a sad panda that it was not included... damn mac users!!!! the onlything that the devs needed to do was make it moveable...
Pete 0 Bear	Posted - 2011.02.04 19:43:00 - [31] Originally by: Calathea Sata If you're going to waste your free time fixing bugs instead of making up some ****ty Windows 7 in-my-eve then perhaps EVE wouldn't be in such a bad shape as it is today. Yes, because other people should dictate what you spend your free time on.
Gravemind GER Caldari Community for Justice Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.02.04 19:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Calathea Sata If you're going to waste your free time fixing bugs instead of making up some **ty Windows 7 in-my-eve then perhaps EVE wouldn't be in such a bad shape as it is today. you should go to WoW if you dont like it . can i have your stuff? oh, and can i have your bitter tears? U SIR ARE A SPAI!**
I Legionnaire Origin. Black Legion.	Posted - 2011.02.04 19:50:00 - [33] /signed
Calathea Sata	Posted - 2011.02.04 19:56:00 - [34] Originally by: Gravemind GER Originally by: Calathea Sata If you're going to waste your free time fixing bugs instead of making up some **ty Windows 7 in-my-eve then perhaps EVE wouldn't be in such a bad shape as it is today. you should go to WoW if you dont like it . can i have your stuff**? oh, and can i have your bitter tears? Pathetic.
Achrius Caldari Galactic Federation of Lolis	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:08:00 - [35] Signing this as some aesthetics wouldn't be bad. Also if I may ask, is eve really in such a bad shape? I don't seem to be having any problems at all, eve seem to be one of the most stable MMO's out there. Either that or I'm not aware of them.
Syphon Lodian Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:20:00 - [36] Edited by: Syphon Lodian on 04/02/2011 20:23:30 The neocom beta looked exactly like some Windows layout knockoff. It would completely and utterly ruin the game for some people, especially those people who work with a computer all day and are sick of Windows style work-machines. It's important that they find a good style, with personality, and immersion. Something that fits into the EVE universe. The proposed neocom that was scrapped, wasn't the answer. Also, don't cut down on horizontal space. Kind of important.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:22:00 - [37] The new neocom was a good step towards a more customizable ui. It needed some work, but nothing major. It's too bad we now have to wait another several years to see anything new on this subject. Oh well... ...
Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:25:00 - [38] /signed It needed tweaks and polish for sure, but it was a big step toward bringing the EVE UI kicking and screaming into the 21st century. Just throwing it out is a big mistake, IMO. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW----- Bring back the NeoNeoCom!
Mess Enger	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:44:00 - [39] /signed Stop listening to the pompous high-pitched bitter trolls who live here in the forum crying, fearing and complaining about everything.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.02.04 20:48:00 - [40] Originally by: yani dumyat Edited by: yani dumyat on 04/02/2011 18:48:16 Players ask for excellence then when CCP temporarily pull a feature to give it some polish you moan about it. it was a voluntary beta feature, obviously it would need more polish. and it sounded like they more than "temporarily" pulled it
yani dumyat Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:41:00 - [41] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: yani dumyat Edited by: yani dumyat on 04/02/2011 18:48:16 Players ask for excellence then when CCP temporarily pull a feature to give it some polish you moan about it. it was a voluntary beta feature, obviously it would need more polish. and it sounded like they more than "temporarily" pulled it I'll go learn to read, thought it was coming back. With all respect and kudos to CCP Optimal for doing it in his spare time I have to ask why he needed to do this? Why are CCP unwilling to spend any money on things like the UI which a lot of players appreciate, is a UI designer that expensive to hire? I hope it's still being worked on somewhere and we'll see it again in a more polished form, like a vertical option and less annoying blinking stuff. I'd be hesitant to add a /signed comment to this thread though, not because I dislike the neocom design but because if an individual is working in their free time then we get what we're given and I'm thankful for that individual's effort. If the thread was asking for CCP to put some resources in to refurbishing the horrifically right clicky OS style UI then sure, supported. If you want to bring back the beta neocom then I'd rather see a 'send beer/presents to CCP Optimal' thread. Bet a ton of UI improvements would happen after someone books him a hooker.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:47:00 - [42] i r disappoint I was quite looking forward to customizing the UI more than you can now. Give the code to me and I'll fix it. I'll have to learn whatever it's written in first, but I'll fix it. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
mkmin	Posted - 2011.02.04 21:51:00 - [43] Originally by: yani dumyat Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: yani dumyat Edited by: yani dumyat on 04/02/2011 18:48:16 Players ask for excellence then when CCP temporarily pull a feature to give it some polish you moan about it. it was a voluntary beta feature, obviously it would need more polish. and it sounded like they more than "temporarily" pulled it I'll go learn to read, thought it was coming back. With all respect and kudos to CCP Optimal for doing it in his spare time I have to ask why he needed to do this? Why are CCP unwilling to spend any money on things like the UI which a lot of players appreciate, is a UI designer that expensive to hire? I hope it's still being worked on somewhere and we'll see it again in a more polished form, like a vertical option and less annoying blinking stuff. I'd be hesitant to add a /signed comment to this thread though, not because I dislike the neocom design but because if an individual is working in their free time then we get what we're given and I'm thankful for that individual's effort. If the thread was asking for CCP to put some resources in to refurbishing the horrifically right clicky OS style UI then sure, supported. If you want to bring back the beta neocom then I'd rather see a 'send beer/presents to CCP Optimal' thread. Bet a ton of UI improvements would happen after someone books him a hooker. As far as I understand, they have formed a new UI team/hired a new UI guy only recently. I say let the UI people do their jobs, and create a neocom that's actually good instead of adding a broken one that they'll just have to throw away again later anyway.
Ohanka Caldari The Lone Patrol Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.02.04 22:02:00 - [44] Its not needed, the old one is fine. waste of time and money.
Daedalus II Helios Research	Posted - 2011.02.04 22:05:00 - [45] Originally by: Syphon Lodian Edited by: Syphon Lodian on 04/02/2011 20:23:30 The neocom beta looked exactly like some Windows layout knockoff. It would completely and utterly ruin the game for some people, especially those people who work with a computer all day and are sick of Windows style work-machines. I'm working with Windows machines all day long and I don't have anything against the new neocom /signed ___________ Interested in incursions? Join Helios Research!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.04 22:06:00 - [46] Originally by: yani dumyat I'd be hesitant to add a /signed comment to this thread though, not because I dislike the neocom design but because if an individual is working in their free time then we get what we're given and I'm thankful for that individual's effort. If the thread was asking for CCP to put some resources in to refurbishing the horrifically right clicky OS style UI then sure, supported. If you want to bring back the beta neocom then I'd rather see a 'send beer/presents to CCP Optimal' thread. Bet a ton of UI improvements would happen after someone books him a hooker. I'm pretty much of the same mind. The Neo¦com was an interesting attempt, but it had issues and would require some proper effort to be a good addition to the game. The UI should not be a hobby project. I can't think of a good argument to keep that code around unless they're actually going to integrate it properly. Originally by: Night Epoch CCP believes feedback on the New Neocom Beta on SiSi was negative, apparently forgetting that the EVE community responds to everything negatively. Regardless, a lot of people really liked it. Well, maybe someone hit on a critical spot ~~for massive damage~~ that showed that they'd have to give the whole thing some proper attention. Negative feedback should stop deployment, no matter how popular the addition is if (and this is the important bit) that feedback highlights some deep-seated problems that means it can't be used as a basis for future improvements. I didn't pay much attention to the neocom feedback and testing beyond determining that I wouldn't use it in the state it was in, but given what it was (a hobby side-project) I don't find it hard to imagine that someone brought up a key piece of negative feedback that meant they'd have to rebuild the thing from scratch if they wanted to fix and expand on it in the future. That would mean any time polishing it would be wasted. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tagana Shavar	Posted - 2011.02.04 22:17:00 - [47] I'm reluctant to go /signed as I'm not a fan of petitions and I'm also certain there were good reasons to pull it, but I would like to state I was very much looking forward to checking it out as I thought it had potential. I was disappointed it didn't make the cut. So, fingers crossed something (even) better will come along in the not too distant future.
Selinate Amarr Red Water Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.04 22:23:00 - [48] **** the new neocom. Bring us real life Quafe!
Feilamya Pain Elemental	Posted - 2011.02.04 22:40:00 - [49] Feedback was negative for a reason: What's the point of having 3 buttons for the same thing, when one is enough? Also, a customizable UI would make threads like this unnecessary. DAoC had this in 2004....
Captain Megadeath	Posted - 2011.02.05 00:05:00 - [50] I would sign if we knew for deffo if we could select between UI via the ESC menu like with the beta on Sisi. The beta was good and all that but I found the present one better to use and have no qualms with it. Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
Slem Fyr Caldari Hollywood Talent Agency	Posted - 2011.02.05 01:13:00 - [51] /signed Tried it on singularity and thought it was the bees knees. It was the thing I was looking forward to in this patch. Also, even if it did need to be re-coded from "scratch" because of some big fundamental coding flaw, allowing the feature in beta would allow the developers to gain much more feedback on the functionality and looks of it. Nobody says they had to release it before they had (completely) re-coded it, and nobody forces anyone to go and turn on some beta code if they like the old menu system so much.
Companion Qube	Posted - 2011.02.05 01:16:00 - [52] /signed - the EVE UI _is_ old and busted, a rework is desperately needed.
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2011.02.05 01:18:00 - [53] I think the entire UI needs a major overhaul. Doing the neocom as a side project is to me a mistake. If the neocom is the first step in a larger revision of the entire UI, then I support it.
Selinate Amarr Red Water Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.05 01:21:00 - [54] Edited by: Selinate on 05/02/2011 01:21:52 Originally by: mechtech I think the entire UI needs a major overhaul. Doing the neocom as a side project is to me a mistake. If the neocom is the first step in a larger revision of the entire UI, then I support it. The neocom is just fine as it is. It's not the neocom that contributes to the incredible cluster **** of a horrible UI that Eve has. If you minimize it, it's hardly noticeable, but it's when the 8 targets, the overview, the drone window, the fleet window, the chat window, and maybe a map or market or whatever the hell else the user has open get on that same screen that Eve's UI degrades into a terrible piece of crap. New neocom? It just sits on the side and is quite handy, imo, and didn't need to be put on the bottom (as if that would help anything).
Shoo Dae Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.05 02:22:00 - [55] /signed -------------- Indecision is a terrible thing. ...or is it?
DarkAegix	Posted - 2011.02.05 02:40:00 - [56] /Signed
Nypheas Azurai	Posted - 2011.02.05 04:45:00 - [57] /signed till it's DEsigned
Omega Sunset Caldari Roughnecks	Posted - 2011.02.05 05:07:00 - [58] /signed Pilot's Journal
trjcquee	Posted - 2011.02.05 05:09:00 - [59] No. It was a solution in search of a problem because the existing Neocom is NOT broken. Not nearly as much as many other things (e.g. drone control interface). If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The new shiny Neocom violates that rule and I'm glad CCP scrapped it.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.02.05 05:30:00 - [60] Originally by: Tippia The UI should not be a hobby project. The best UIs in MMOs come from hobbiests, when the developers let the players mod the UI. Carbonite for WoW was pretty good (amongst adding a few more mods like bartender etc) Proffit UI is good for EQ2 (well until the original creator abandoned it). CCP should open up the UI for modders honestly. We'd probably see some pretty good UI stuff from the talented programmers that play EVE. And anyone who wants to cry about bots and modding the UI, stfu, they'll find a way to bot anyways :P - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.05 05:41:00 - [61] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Tippia The UI should not be a hobby project. The best UIs in MMOs come from hobbiests, when the developers let the players mod the UI. àand the reason that was at all possible was because the WoW UI was not a hobby project ù it was a very sturdy framework. Proper customisation requires a hellasolid ground or it will keel over at the slightest prod. We don't need more of that in the EVE UI. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Delphen Gruss Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.05 05:57:00 - [62] /signed I didn't mess with it to much, but what I did I liked. Bring this back
Xercodo Amarr Daj'Juntar	Posted - 2011.02.05 06:26:00 - [63] yes... -------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie
PTang	Posted - 2011.02.05 07:00:00 - [64] signed and then keep it optional for EVER. that way we can be on the road to being able to pick the UI we like best. Maybe even have a third option in future. And push the improvements the neo neocom had to the old one, so it's a matter of taste.
James Giovanni	Posted - 2011.02.05 07:03:00 - [65] Originally by: yani dumyat Edited by: yani dumyat on 04/02/2011 18:48:16 Players ask for excellence then when CCP temporarily pull a feature to give it some polish you moan about it. ~~Seriously, pull yourself together.~~ Edit, I forgot these are the internets, nothing is ever right here. Sorry but a dev stated it has not been temporarily pulled. it's been killed. which is bull****. signed
PTang	Posted - 2011.02.05 07:08:00 - [66] Originally by: Syphon Lodian Edited by: Syphon Lodian on 04/02/2011 20:23:30 The neocom beta looked exactly like some Windows layout knockoff. It would completely and utterly ruin the game for some people, It was OPTIONAL and also the bottom of the screen is already taken up BY TABS. The neo neocom docked those tabs to the neocom. Meaning MORE vertical screen space. And once it was given the option to go vertical it would be basically the same as current Neocom as far as looks. Are you saying the eve ui already looks like Windows 7? because the only thing that made it look that was way being on the bottom of the screen. And once it went vertical it would pulled all of those tabs that take up the bottom of eve, and docked them to the left side. Which would of been brilliant.
jade ranger	Posted - 2011.02.05 07:13:00 - [67] Originally by: trjcquee No. It was a solution in search of a problem because the existing Neocom is NOT broken. Not nearly as much as many other things (e.g. drone control interface). If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The new shiny Neocom violates that rule and I'm glad CCP scrapped it. If you were following the dev blog thread a dev said it would possible with the Neo neocom code to dock a drone combat control window right into the neocom. Meaning you could install apps right into it. think windows media player on the taskbar, but for drone combat. Current neocom will neveer do that. /signed I wanted the neo neocom :( it was better in every way. It gave me so much more screen space:(
Katarina reid	Posted - 2011.02.05 07:21:00 - [68] /signed
Sharon Anne	Posted - 2011.02.05 07:35:00 - [69] I thought it was cool, less clutter.
Ak'athra J'ador Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2011.02.05 07:36:00 - [70] /signed it wasn't negative, it was constructive criticism. NO on microtransactions!
Tavin Aikisen Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2011.02.05 07:43:00 - [71] Originally by: Calathea Sata CCP: hire the guy who did the CONCORD video for UI design. I agree. ---- ôRemember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home in peace.ö -Cold Wind
Marconus Orion Global Criminal Countdown	Posted - 2011.02.05 07:57:00 - [72] What will everyone's feeling be when you see the new Neocom that was supposedly scrapped for EVE appear on World of Darkness and/or DUST 514 when they are released?
Swynet	Posted - 2011.02.05 08:49:00 - [73] Oo because you guys had a new one?
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2011.02.05 08:55:00 - [74] Better, more meaningful UI changes for gameplay = Yes New Neocom = reinventing the wheel for almost purely bling factor. No. Given a simple choice between a better UI for New Contract Searches vs New Neocom, I'll take the New Contract Searches hands-down.
Feilamya Pain Elemental	Posted - 2011.02.05 10:33:00 - [75] Originally by: Tippia Proper customisation requires a hellasolid ground or it will keel over at the slightest prod. We don't need more of that in the EVE UI. Proper customisation doesn't require rocket science. DAoC had a simple, half-assed XML-based framework for it, and it was enough for players to design better UIs than the devs ever did. Scripting wasn't supported. Any why should it? To support the macros? Also, stop talking about WoW in feature discussions. There was a time when Eve players wouldn't have dared to admit they ever touched WoW. What the hell is this game coming to?
Eli Simon	Posted - 2011.02.05 21:03:00 - [76] /signed The ing ame UI needs a lot of love. The beta neocom was a baby step in the right direction.
Xervish Krin	Posted - 2011.02.05 21:46:00 - [77] Signed, I loved the beta Neocom.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.02.05 21:47:00 - [78] Originally by: mkmin As far as I understand, they have formed a new UI team/hired a new UI guy only recently. I say let the UI people do their jobs, and create a neocom that's actually good instead of adding a broken one that they'll just have to throw away again later anyway. The problem with this thinking is that it ignores the usual CCP practice of pulling resources from projects that players support to work on stuff that they perceive to be a revenue generator. The good thing about the new neocom is that it was already there and only needed some tweaking, as opposed to some 'new interface' that is likely to turn into just another CCP SoonÖ vaporware. ...
R'dier Erasers inc. Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.02.05 23:03:00 - [79] Not signed. After all these years of using the old neo com which does its job just fine, the new neo com was just a huge disappointment that didn't have anything that would have justified it as a worthy "upgrade". Do it properly or don't do it at all.
PTang	Posted - 2011.02.06 04:38:00 - [80] Originally by: R'dier Not signed. After all these years of using the old neo com which does its job just fine, the new neo com was just a huge disappointment that didn't have anything that would have justified it as a worthy "upgrade". Do it properly or don't do it at all. sigh
jelo Magnetti Caldari Northern Grit Shifters	Posted - 2011.02.06 04:45:00 - [81] /signed It was what I was most looking forward to in incursion.
Skuggis Systembolaget	Posted - 2011.02.06 04:53:00 - [82] /Signed. To be honest this was one of the main features about Incursion that I was excited about, sure it needed some more tweaks like making it movable for an example but heck, it beats the old one.
masternerdguy Gallente Meerkat Maner	Posted - 2011.02.06 04:59:00 - [83] New neocom is crap. It looks like Win 7 and was less intuitive.
Turrican 2	Posted - 2011.02.06 05:13:00 - [84] Edited by: Turrican 2 on 06/02/2011 05:13:29 not supported This petition should not be considered due to the ergonomic flaws of the new neocom approach as has been discussed and demonstrated in various threads. In a 16:9/16:10 layout with low vertical resolution it makes no sense to further reduce the visible area by introducing a horizontal neocom. Or are we all going back to 4:3 layouts again?
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.02.06 05:30:00 - [85] Edited by: Razin on 06/02/2011 05:35:10 Originally by: Turrican 2 Edited by: Turrican 2 on 06/02/2011 05:13:29 not supported This petition should not be considered due to the ergonomic flaws of the new neocom approach as has been discussed and demonstrated in various threads. In a 16:9/16:10 layout with low vertical resolution it makes no sense to further reduce the visible area by introducing a horizontal neocom. Or are we all going back to 4:3 layouts again? At 1920x1200 the new neocom at its smallest height took up 2.7% of the vertical resolution (if you chose not to hide it). I don't know if it scaled with different resolutions, but EVE shouldn't be held back by outdated hardware and tiny screens anyway. Edit: In addition the thing could be made transparent like the old neocom, so the perceived 'reduced visible area' argument is just so much bs from people who couldn't be bothered with trying something before forming an opinion. ...
Gravemind GER Caldari Community for Justice Majesta Empire	Posted - 2011.02.06 08:29:00 - [86] Edited by: Gravemind GER on 06/02/2011 08:31:35 Originally by: masternerdguy New neocom is crap. It looks like Win 7 and was less intuitive. so you are saying an opensuse kde taskbar looks like a win 7 taskbar too? you are a joke. bad troll -1.5/10 edit: oh, and i wont vote you for csm U SIR ARE A SPAI!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.06 08:39:00 - [87] Originally by: Razin At 1920x1200 the new neocom at its smallest height took up 2.7% of the vertical resolution (if you chose not to hide it). I don't know if it scaled with different resolutions, but EVE shouldn't be held back by outdated hardware and tiny screens anyway. Exacly. Had they put some thought into it, they would have known that modern monitor hardware tends to be widescreen, and made the thing vertical instead, thus and only wasting 1.6%. You'd think they'd know that EVE is pretty list heavy and that vertical space isn't something you want to intrude on. Chances are they made the old neocom vertical for that very reasonà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.06 10:43:00 - [88] Originally by: Ohanka Its not needed, the old one is fine. waste of time and money. I agree, being able to set the font to something readable is for chumps.
Hoya en Marland	Posted - 2011.02.06 10:51:00 - [89] /not signed Neocom is the least important part of UI which otherwise screams for complete overhaul. Besides, I don't like that Win7/MacOS hybrid layout.
Efraya Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.06 11:02:00 - [90] Signed. Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
Mocam	Posted - 2011.02.06 11:26:00 - [91] I tried it, I liked it. The only close to "negative" comment I believe I made was for it to be allowed to dock on any edge - top, bottom, left, right -- just like you can do with the windows task bar. Yes - please let it be completed. It was done decently and did add some value when using it.
San Severina Minmatar One Point 0	Posted - 2011.02.06 11:30:00 - [92] they need those resources for the extremely popular & wildly successful Spacebook project we all love and use daily -cough, cough*** __________________________________________________ No sympathy for the Devil! Always remember that....
Kerfira Kerfira Corp	Posted - 2011.02.06 11:35:00 - [93] Not signed... Not that the new NeoCom was that bad, except for not being vertical (BIG no-no!), but it'd just figure VERY low on the things in EVE (and the EVE UI) that needs attention. By and large, the current NeoCom works very well. It provides quick access to the most needed functions, and does so effectively. If CCP has any UI resources leftover, they'd do far better spending them on: - Contract UI - Trade UI - Invention UI - Production UI - Research UI - Overheating UI - Drone UI - Inventory UI - Assets UI - Journal UI - RP Store UI - Corp UI All of these are cumbersome to use (in varying degrees), doesn't provide very easy access to information, and some of them require excessive and repetitive work to do just simple things. They're all FAR better candidates for improvement than the NeoCom... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Thoraxe Rig Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.06 12:18:00 - [94] Originally by: Rixiu Not signed. The time needed to make a new neocom is better spent elsewhere on the UI. Not saying the current neocom is perfect though, fixing the few odd things about it would be awesome. I'm sure we can all ***** and whine for years about which part of the UI needs work done first. But it's a start and it's certainly better than nothing.
Terrible Damage	Posted - 2011.02.06 12:30:00 - [95] /signed The UI is one of my biggest gripes right now with it's partly unmovable objetcs, the inability to select your own font and the inability to scale it.
Kerfira Kerfira Corp	Posted - 2011.02.06 12:42:00 - [96] Edited by: Kerfira on 06/02/2011 12:43:06 Originally by: Thoraxe Rig But it's a start and it's certainly better than nothing. So essentially you're saying that CCP shouldn't prioritise their resources to fix bad problems before small (if even that) problems? That doesn't make any sense at all... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
PTang	Posted - 2011.02.06 19:41:00 - [97] Edited by: PTang on 06/02/2011 19:44:03 Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 06/02/2011 05:35:10 Originally by: Turrican 2 Edited by: Turrican 2 on 06/02/2011 05:13:29 not supported This petition should not be considered due to the ergonomic flaws of the new neocom approach as has been discussed and demonstrated in various threads. In a 16:9/16:10 layout with low vertical resolution it makes no sense to further reduce the visible area by introducing a horizontal neocom. Or are we all going back to 4:3 layouts again? At 1920x1200 the new neocom at its smallest height took up 2.7% of the vertical resolution (if you chose not to hide it). I don't know if it scaled with different resolutions, but EVE shouldn't be held back by outdated hardware and tiny screens anyway. Edit: In addition the thing could be made transparent like the old neocom, so the perceived 'reduced visible area' argument is just so much bs from people who couldn't be bothered with trying something before forming an opinion. also current Neocom takes up 1.5% of the bottom of the screen anyways. it's where all of the tabs go. Tippia why do you ignore the fact that the current neo com goes across the bottom of the screen? and that the new was not only took up 0.7% less screen space, but was promised to get vertical anyways. I mean you're arguing that going horizontal made it bad when they already said it would dockable to any side.
ApophisXP Sadistic Retribution Sadistic Empire	Posted - 2011.02.06 19:42:00 - [98] me want new neocom! me want it now! These posts represent my Personal views and not those of my Corporation nor my Alliance.
Sciencegeek deathdealer	Posted - 2011.02.06 20:09:00 - [99] Signed! I was really looking forward to this! Don't get rid of an idea just because the few people who post online don't like it! You have 300k players! What percent of them said they don't want it? -geek
James Giovanni	Posted - 2011.02.06 20:10:00 - [100] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 06/02/2011 11:38:31 Not signed... Not that the new NeoCom was that bad, except for not being vertical (BIG no-no!), but it'd just figure VERY low on the things in EVE (and the EVE UI) that needs attention. By and large, the current NeoCom works very well. It provides quick access to the most needed functions, and does so effectively. Kerfira, the neo neocom could go vertical. also, the neo neocom had the promise of a drone combat panel that would dock right into it
Internet White Knight	Posted - 2011.02.06 20:22:00 - [101] They never intended to put it live, they just wanted to make something worse so that people could see that the current UI isn't so bad and to shut up about it for once. Mission accomplished.
jade ranger	Posted - 2011.02.06 20:39:00 - [102] Hey look we've already got more posts than the official feedback thread on SiSi.
Kerfira Kerfira Corp	Posted - 2011.02.06 20:42:00 - [103] Edited by: Kerfira on 06/02/2011 20:42:09 Originally by: James Giovanni Originally by: Kerfira My post Kerfira, the neo neocom could go vertical. also, the neo neocom had the promise of a drone combat panel that would dock right into it You managed to miss the point completely... Not being vertical was a no-no, but the BIG problem with the new NeoCom was that it wasn't solving any problems! It was merely putting some new glossy features into the game replacing something that already works rather well. CCP is welcome to put new glossy features in any day, but they should allocate the resources they have for that so they replace features that DOESN'T work well! Nobody was complaining about the NeoCom before this, but people WERE complaining about the other parts of the UI. That tells me that spending effort on the NeoCom is not the right decision... Making shiny for shiny's sake is not a good business priority... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
PTang	Posted - 2011.02.06 20:42:00 - [104] Originally by: Internet White Knight They never intended to put it live, they just wanted to make something worse so that people could see that the current UI isn't so bad and to shut up about it for once. Mission accomplished. I don't see people shutting up only 20% of this thread thinks the old UI was better. in fact like jade pointed out, this thread is starting to get larger than the "negative" feedback thread.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.06 21:26:00 - [105] Originally by: PTang Tippia why do you ignore the fact that the current neo com goes across the bottom of the screen? Because mine doesn't (and when it does, it's not actually stealing vertical space from all those lists). And the fact that it does for some is still a severe case of bad design ù taking that flaw and making the rest of the neocom as flawed is the wrong way to go. Quote: I mean you're arguing that going horizontal made it bad when they already said it would dockable to any side. I'm arguing that going horizontal made it bad because "later" is not a good argument for not thinking about these things now. If they made that kind of beginner's mistake, it doesn't inspire confidence for the future. It shows they were not thinking, and it shows why it was a good thing that it was withdrawn until it could be given proper attention. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Kinta Huron Exotic Matter	Posted - 2011.02.06 21:33:00 - [106] /signed
PTang	Posted - 2011.02.07 00:31:00 - [107] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: PTang Tippia why do you ignore the fact that the current neo com goes across the bottom of the screen? Because mine doesn't (and when it does, it's not actually stealing vertical space from all those lists). And the fact that it does for some is still a severe case of bad design ù taking that flaw and making the rest of the neocom as flawed is the wrong way to go. Quote: I mean you're arguing that going horizontal made it bad when they already said it would dockable to any side. I'm arguing that going horizontal made it bad because "later" is not a good argument for not thinking about these things now. If they made that kind of beginner's mistake, it doesn't inspire confidence for the future. It shows they were not thinking, and it shows why it was a good thing that it was withdrawn until it could be given proper attention. ok but wait, how is withdrawing an optional interface help? I'm sure he could of kept working o it just fine while it could be tested on TQ. This thread is full of people in support of TQ beta testing. Instead we'll get some other Neocom dropped us one day, and they won't make it optional on TQ> that was the brilliance of the neo neocom. also your neocom does go across the bottom. it's where everything in eve goes when you minimize it. to the bottom. By pulling it it won't get attention. If it was TQ it would get the veritical option, and all of those tabs on the bottom would of have sucked into the vertical bar forever.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.07 00:54:00 - [108] Originally by: PTang ok but wait, how is withdrawing an optional interface help? Dead code (not to mention dead-end code) and mock-ups have no place in release version. Quote: also your neocom does go across the bottom. it's where everything in eve goes when you minimize it. And I don't minimise things for that very reason unless it's very temporarily, because the functionality offered by minimising is already solved in numerous other ways. And as mentioned, even when minimised, the tabs doesn't actually take away vertical space. Quote: If it was TQ it would get the veritical option, and all of those tabs on the bottom would of have sucked into the vertical bar forever. Yes, but it didn't, and again: that shows that the thing wasn't well thought-through. Like Kefira mentioned, it didn't actually solve anything ù it was more of a visual mock-up with some very basic functionality (which boiled down to duplicating and grouping the same standard functions in many places at once). In fact, as far a minimising things went, it rather made a few things worse. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Ytamii Arval Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.02.13 06:06:00 - [109] -1 No, no, no...and no. I suffered with it for two weeks on SISI, until I couldn't take it anymore and switched back. Returning to the 'classic' Neo felt like a major upgrade. The new one was: slow, clunky, added many extra clicks to accomplish common tasks. CCP made a great call on this one...get over it.
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.02.13 06:15:00 - [110] Originally by: Mocam The only close to "negative" comment I believe I made was for it to be allowed to dock on any edge - top, bottom, left, right -- just like you can do with the windows task bar. Yes - please let it be completed. It was done decently and did add some value when using it. This. /signed
PTang	Posted - 2011.02.13 06:25:00 - [111] Originally by: Ytamii Arval -1 No, no, no...and no. I suffered with it for two weeks on SISI, until I couldn't take it anymore and switched back. Returning to the 'classic' Neo felt like a major upgrade. The new one was: slow, clunky, added many extra clicks to accomplish common tasks. CCP made a great call on this one...get over it. how did it add more clicks... it got rid of them. also while I basically think you never touched it on SiSi anyways no one would use something they don't like for 2 weeks that's optional your basicly complaining that the beta build of a new feature was buggy... on the test server...
Mystic5hadow Koku Uchu Industries	Posted - 2011.02.13 06:30:00 - [112] /Signed I've been waiting on a new NeoCom since joining in '08. The Beta UI looked fantastic compared to what we have now.
Eleonora Skye	Posted - 2011.02.13 06:31:00 - [113] /signed. Was the only thing i was waiting for in Incursion. I don't PvE, and i don't care about sims.
Nypheas Azurai	Posted - 2011.02.13 07:40:00 - [114] /signed was waiting to go around posting screens and telling everyone EVE is an operating system. Now I can't do that.
Florestan Bronstein	Posted - 2011.02.13 08:16:00 - [115] not signed. The current Neocom does its job fine (in a very unintrusive way) - there are many other UI improvements that dev resources would be better spent on than revamping the Neocom.
Mina Sulva'r Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.13 08:28:00 - [116] Hey, does anyone have a YouTube link to what it looked like? Never got the chance to see it in action.
PTang	Posted - 2011.02.13 08:51:00 - [117] Originally by: Mina Sulva'r Hey, does anyone have a YouTube link to what it looked like? Never got the chance to see it in action. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRC4Tj3hMfo
Barbship Spacey	Posted - 2011.02.13 09:30:00 - [118] signed.
Koba Kyogen The Minutemen Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.02.13 10:36:00 - [119] Go eff yo'self. A bunch of us like it the way it is. Go play something "fresh" if this games UI is stale. KK Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.13 12:57:00 - [120] /signed ---
ErrorS Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.13 13:12:00 - [121] yes please, bring it back and stop playing with my emotions! "Look, this is cool, you want it? haha, too bad, we're just kidding" ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
Siigari Kitawa Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.02.13 13:34:00 - [122] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 13/02/2011 13:35:16 FIX THE FORUMS Not signed. CCP is too busy breaking old UI mechanics to be working on an overhaul. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1467260 www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
James Giovanni	Posted - 2011.02.13 19:30:00 - [123] bump over locked lag posts
Dante Marcellus Minmatar Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team	Posted - 2011.02.13 21:30:00 - [124] Edited by: Dante Marcellus on 13/02/2011 21:30:48 All I ever saw of this new UI was from a video presented on youtube before the release of stage 3. It looked cool but I also didn't see any of the problems. I don't know if I'd enjoy the Windows 7 style UI, but I'm definitely all for a new one, regardless. /signed. And if you're reading this, you've fallen into a signature trap. You owe me 1m ISK.
BearUkraine Gallente Light Style	Posted - 2011.02.14 00:14:00 - [125] +1 signed Waiting for new NeoCom. So cool UI.
Mister Short	Posted - 2011.02.14 01:17:00 - [126] SIGNED
Lilla Kharn Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.14 02:04:00 - [127] New forums coming, /signed for the UI. Thank you to those who spent their time to make it, but scrapping wasn't right. There are a bunch of us who appreciated the work done, it was a step in the right direction. Yes, the new neocom might have gotten some bad reviews by some people who loathe change and think it only benefits the new players, but we need a new neocom. The current one is old, and needs some touch up. I don't have good enuff photoshop skills to make what I think would be awesome but it would look awesome and I want the devs to make a new one. Thank you for all your hard work even though we sometimes don't agree with it. Again, /signed. ============================================= "Only the dead have seen the end of war" - Plato
William Loire	Posted - 2011.02.14 03:32:00 - [128] /signed The new Neocom was sexy and now I'm reading the negative backlash was because the feature was unfinished on Singularity? Huh?
Elrin Taal	Posted - 2011.02.15 13:31:00 - [129] Loved the look and expected feel of the new version, a much needed update please reconsider CCP!
krickettt Golden Orb Technology inc	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:16:00 - [130] /signed This doesn't look like negative feedback to me CCP.
Jefferson H Clay	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:39:00 - [131] Originally by: yani dumyat is a UI designer that expensive to hire? You're talking about a specialized area of graphics work. UI studies are themselves difficult and expensive to do, then you need a artist (or a team of them) who understand what that gibberish means. So yeah... they are fairly expensive to hire.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:41:00 - [132] Not signed, until ccp is confident they can deliver a new feature with everything they and we have in mind I wouldnt want it. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 20JAN11
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:51:00 - [133] Originally by: Nova Fox Not signed, until ccp is confident they can deliver a new feature with everything they and we have in mind I wouldnt want it. With this philosophy we'd never get any new features. ...
JonnyRandom	Posted - 2011.02.15 16:52:00 - [134] NO. That new neocom is disgusting. It looks like somehting from a freaking mac! Leave the neocom as it is. It's perfectly fine. It's what we've all loved for 8 years now and will continue to love. Remaking the neocom and making it look like that is just disrespectful to all the players that have stuck through this game for all this time.
Aura Brown	Posted - 2011.02.15 17:17:00 - [135] /signed Was looking forward to testing this. PS. People really need to shut up unless they are going to do something constructive. Non-Constructive talk/criticism is trolling.
Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.02.15 18:20:00 - [136] Originally by: JonnyRandom NO. That new neocom is disgusting. It looks like somehting from a freaking mac! Leave the neocom as it is. It's perfectly fine. It's what we've all loved for 8 years now and will continue to love. Remaking the neocom and making it look like that is just disrespectful to all the players that have stuck through this game for all this time. <sarcasm>How dare CCP think about improving or changing the game! They should keep the Windows 3.11-style UI because we're all used to it!</sarcasm> If CCP thought like you, the game would be exactly the same as it was when it launched. I'm glad that Luddites like you are in the minority. The fact is that UI design has evolved in the last 6-7 years. Being able to customize the NeoNeoCom was a good idea. Minimizing windows into the shortcuts for them instead of in a separate place was a good idea. Almost everything about it was good except it needed a vertical option and a bit of polish. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW----- Bring back the NeoNeoCom!
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.02.15 18:55:00 - [137] hrgggh, was wondering why I wasn't able to test it out :/ This is pretty fail CCP, I mean you where gonna make it optional anyway, you'd get a much better idea of the feedback if you actually let the bulk of the players have a play with it. Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Great Notion	Posted - 2011.02.15 20:34:00 - [138] Absolutely /signed It was a step in the right direction. Don't scrap positive progress just because of some "negative feedback".
eaterofcheese The Society of Odd Fellows	Posted - 2011.02.15 20:34:00 - [139] /signed -- mmmm cheese...
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.02.15 20:37:00 - [140] It was neat even though it looked like a EVE skin for Win 7
Val Amora	Posted - 2011.02.15 20:56:00 - [141] eve UI is garbage. /signed
Airu Naari The Noxious	Posted - 2011.02.16 13:27:00 - [142] /signed want the new NeoCom
PryMary	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:16:00 - [143] 5 pages of people that want it, and yet CCP still doesn't get that this facelift is without-a-doubt needed and wanted by the people that pay their wages! OI do as we say!! /signed
Skyreth StarFleet Enterprises -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.02.23 13:24:00 - [144] Originally by: PryMary 5 pages of people that want it, and yet CCP still doesn't get that this facelift is without-a-doubt needed and wanted by the people that pay their wages! OI do as we say!! /signed There are a lot of negative posts here in this thread too. Some people are still stuck in the 1980s it seems. Anyways, signed. The UI costomisation ability itself earns a signing. As for people complaining CCP don't do enough or that they should spend their time fixing other issues...someone did this in their OWN TIME for us. A little gratitude would be good, spoiled little brats. --------------------------------- You think your lag is bad? It took Jesus 3 days to respawn!
Jerry Navigator	Posted - 2011.02.23 13:56:00 - [145] signed
Requada	Posted - 2011.03.28 00:12:00 - [146] Signing in
ACESsiggy Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.28 00:59:00 - [147] From what I've seen in pictures and have read online .... it looked pretty cool.
Agallis Zinthros Amarr Nulli Tertius	Posted - 2011.03.28 01:26:00 - [148] /signed ui overhaul needs to happen It's not piracy, its surprise PVP.
Memorya	Posted - 2011.03.28 11:01:00 - [149] /signed ------------------------ English is my 5th. Language.
Oyarsa Glundandra	Posted - 2011.03.28 11:08:00 - [150] /signed. I was looking forward to this.
Oyarsa Glundandra	Posted - 2011.03.28 11:10:00 - [151] Also, can we get race specific locking visuals? squares and lines are outdated. Make some moving circles or something. I'm sure theres at least one dev out there that would have fun spending a day doing it.
Kawanshi	Posted - 2011.03.28 11:24:00 - [152] /signed
Scoobee Caldari Aqua Teen Hunger Force	Posted - 2011.04.04 07:04:00 - [153] This needs more attention. SIGNED MAKE SOME NOISE THIS NEOCOM NEEDS TO COME BACK! ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< Yeah well you are about to not have a mouth, I mean it, I'll rip it off!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.04 08:24:00 - [154] just came back to see this very much wanted update gone. that's not fun. : / Also what are people saying about it taking up more space? I did the math. It takes 30% MORE Horizontal space.due to it being on the bottom instead of the side, which was confirmed to be optional anyways right? However it took up 50% LESS vertical space. This means everyone upset that it took up more space is full of ****. Or doesn't understand math. also current eve throws tabs onto the bottom anyways, and suddenly you have two buttons on the screen to open the same window, whats up with that? the Neo neocom fixed that issue completely and just well, looked better.
Siiee Recycled Heroes	Posted - 2011.04.04 08:38:00 - [155] Originally by: MotherMoon However it took up 50% LESS vertical space. Do people seriously play with the current neocom maximised?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.04 08:59:00 - [156] Originally by: Siiee Originally by: MotherMoon However it took up 50% LESS vertical space. Do people seriously play with the current neocom maximised? on my HUGE screen? Sometimes I keep it open just so I can click things easily. The neo neocom lets me SCALE the damn thing. And at maxish size where I was comfy with the way it looked, it took up a lot less space. I should of explained better, i want the neo neocom, or I want the current neocom to have that sexy scale function.
Axon Atom	Posted - 2011.04.04 09:07:00 - [157] Signed, I for one liked it it needed to go vertical, and I could of done without the blinking. but those not good reasons to throw it out, that's simple code to change. I liked everything else about it, obvious step in the right direction.
Mary Christmas Christmas Inc	Posted - 2011.04.04 09:31:00 - [158] /signed
Taliya Valkorva Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.04 11:11:00 - [159] Absolutely yes!
Aderata Nonkin Amarr	Posted - 2011.04.04 12:09:00 - [160] I was one of many thousands who brought up the negative aspects and glaring flaws of the new neocom to CCP. I'm glad they listened to this voice of reason and retracted their decision to introduce this flawed mechanic into EVE. Doesn't mean it's scrapped forever. Hopefully they'll go back and look it through before seriously thinking of adding it in. People are too quick jumping to conclusions based on inadequate facts. It was the right decision to do. æIf you are not big enough to lose, then you are not big enough to win.Æ
Kinuko	Posted - 2011.04.04 12:17:00 - [161] /signed
Virtue Maulerant	Posted - 2011.04.04 12:54:00 - [162] The issue is much broader,the entirety of the UI is horrible and needs renewal it is ancient and performs awfully.I also absolutely hate the momentary freeze when you open a market order window etc. The whole UI needs to be revamped not just the NeoCom!
Delkana Fox Caldari L4 Directorate	Posted - 2011.04.04 14:05:00 - [163] Originally by: Oyarsa Glundandra Also, can we get race specific locking visuals? squares and lines are outdated. Make some moving circles or something. I'm sure theres at least one dev out there that would have fun spending a day doing it. If it were up to me I would take this one step further and enable race specific ship control interface as well to deepen the impression of actually being in a different ship. and /signed
Farrisen Caldari Cerbian Cerbian Syndicate	Posted - 2011.04.04 15:27:00 - [164] /signed Originally by: Tyburn Stannis CCP is in Iceland, not on Gallifrey. Originally by: CCP Spitfire It's because of falcon.
Mica Swanhaven	Posted - 2011.04.04 17:29:00 - [165] Edited by: Mica Swanhaven on 04/04/2011 17:30:11 Originally by: Aderata Nonkin I was one of many thousands who brought up the negative aspects and glaring flaws of the new neocom to CCP. I'm glad they listened to this voice of reason and retracted their decision to introduce this flawed mechanic into EVE. Doesn't mean it's scrapped forever. Hopefully they'll go back and look it through before seriously thinking of adding it in. People are too quick jumping to conclusions based on inadequate facts. It was the right decision to do. by 1000s of people, do you mean that's laughably small 3 page thread? Don't listen to the vocal minority CCP! they aren't as big they pretend to be!
Killitt	Posted - 2011.04.04 17:58:00 - [166] I wouldn't mind an overview that didn't look like a 1996 version of excel.
Karli Loki	Posted - 2011.04.05 12:32:00 - [167] /sign
K'irikiri	Posted - 2011.05.01 09:54:00 - [168] /sighed
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.05.01 10:31:00 - [169] save it!
Kara Sharalien Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.05.01 10:55:00 - [170] How can I be expected to vote to save the new neocomm when I have no idea what it looks like? Why does the OP not have a link to a screenshot? Someone want to link me?
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.05.01 11:09:00 - [171] Originally by: trjcquee No. It was a solution in search of a problem because the existing Neocom is NOT broken. Not nearly as much as many other things (e.g. drone control interface). If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The new shiny Neocom violates that rule and I'm glad CCP scrapped it. This.
Aeronwen Carys Empire of Dust	Posted - 2011.05.01 11:17:00 - [172] Here is one to get you started, this is the neo neocom at its largest selectable size neo neocom I'll find some more.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.05.01 11:51:00 - [173] Originally by: HeIIfire11 Originally by: trjcquee No. It was a solution in search of a problem because the existing Neocom is NOT broken. Not nearly as much as many other things (e.g. drone control interface). If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The new shiny Neocom violates that rule and I'm glad CCP scrapped it. This. read comments on dev blog. drone control was brought up as something the neo neocom could fix as it let you customize it and drag and drop in functional UI.
Mike Voltage Minmatar Yellow Ducks United	Posted - 2011.05.01 17:08:00 - [174] /signed save new neocom ui pls "My God -- It's Full of Stars!"
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.05.01 17:14:00 - [175] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: HeIIfire11 Originally by: trjcquee No. It was a solution in search of a problem because the existing Neocom is NOT broken. Not nearly as much as many other things (e.g. drone control interface). If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The new shiny Neocom violates that rule and I'm glad CCP scrapped it. This. read comments on dev blog. drone control was brought up as something the neo neocom could fix as it let you customize it and drag and drop in functional UI. Still don't like it to be honest. It's too much "windows 7" and there's enough "windows" in eve already because of the fact that you have to use several other programs and sites to play eve as it is. Too much windows and not enough "game" in my opinion. I can't think of any other game where I have to alt tab and use something else to play. Giving it a windows 7 look just makes it less game like.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.05.01 18:16:00 - [176] so then you don't like the look? oh cares about that, it's a moddable UI! they can just change the look.
Darth Tradess	Posted - 2011.05.01 18:26:00 - [177] /signed
Sciencegeek deathdealer	Posted - 2011.05.01 20:15:00 - [178] /signed
Ruthless Erection	Posted - 2011.05.01 20:26:00 - [179] /signed. Look at how people responded to Windows 7 and it's new features & style of doing things. I love the new NeoCom, hell if CCP gave me the source code they have for it now, i'd perfect it myself and pay for a custom made client with that code.
Axon Atom	Posted - 2011.05.01 20:32:00 - [180] I was looking forward to a neocom jukebox app where you could have a compact version of player controls right on the neocom. Also I was hoping with this change they might allow for some custom made player plugins, apple style, where they have to be approved.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.01 20:36:00 - [181] It was made obsolete before it even got released, and it's not coming back. Hopefully, they revamp the Neocom as part of the UI refactoring, and hopefully, they make it an improvement rather than just "something different". ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.05.01 20:42:00 - [182] Originally by: Tippia It was made obsolete before it even got released, and it's not coming back. Hopefully, they revamp the Neocom as part of the UI refactoring, and hopefully, they make it an improvement rather than just "something different". yeah becuase moddable UI where the your windows don't tab into the bottom, and you can remove any icons you don't use is not useful being able to see your current skill training and a dev comment on being able to plug in other useful UI elements is just "something different" admit it, your just afraid of anything that looks different. I'm trying to remember were you on that huge 20 page bandwagon of people saying the trinity graphics we're worse than the old ones?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.01 20:54:00 - [183] Originally by: MotherMoon yeah becuase moddable UI where the your windows don't tab into the bottom, and you can remove any icons you don't use is not useful The modding ability (which wasn't really "modding" as much as "duplication and grouping") was also a major hindrance and a step backwards on a number of points, and it mainly just did the same old things in a different way. Quote: being able to see your current skill training and a dev comment on being able to plug in other useful UI elements is just "something different" Except that nothing different was actually in the build, and that the promises made then are still being made in relation to the new UI back-end. So: hopefully, they'll make it an improvement rather than just "something different". Quote: admit it, your just afraid of anything that looks different. Admit it, you didn't actually read the post, or you'd notice that the exact opposite was said. No. I'm just against something that was obsolete from the get-go; that doesn't really solve anything; that embraced a lot of poor design choices; and that was lacking the basic functionality that would have made it worth-while to evaluate. It wasn't ready for prime-time and it was built on a foundation that no longer matters. It's not coming back. Hopefully, they revamp the Neocom as part of the UI refactoring, and hopefully, they make it an improvement rather than just "something different". ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Bollox Reader Pera Support Group	Posted - 2011.05.01 21:56:00 - [184] Tippia, give me an example of something they could do that would not be obsolete when they release it a year after they start planning the overhaul. Incremental, imperfect change is preferable to stasis. And CCP is not going to please everyone. Hell, I prefer an IU that mimics Windows, because I use it all day and like something that meshes with what I already am familiar with. So what to you seems like bad design, to me seems good.
WittyName Here	Posted - 2011.05.01 22:01:00 - [185] Supported
Aston Martin DB5	Posted - 2011.05.01 22:08:00 - [186] Edited by: Aston Martin DB5 on 01/05/2011 22:08:46 Heard they scratched it b/c they received negative feedback from the community .............
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.01 22:20:00 - [187] Originally by: Bollox Reader Tippia, give me an example of something they could do that would not be obsolete when they release it a year after they start planning the overhaul. It's not about that ù it's about how they were building the Neo²Com on a foundation that was about to be removed. Killing it early was the right thing to do. Quote: Incremental, imperfect change is preferable to stasis. Incremental, imperfect changes are also a waste of time if they're done in parallel with a complete rewrite. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Axon Atom	Posted - 2011.06.01 10:52:00 - [188] Edited by: Axon Atom on 01/06/2011 10:53:34 BRING IT BACK joke UI but cool Having station services on top and neocom on bottom would make captains quarters look much better.
Veronica Velmont	Posted - 2011.07.06 19:06:00 - [189] Please bring it back!! I dont care if its buggy just allow me to have the option to use it
Darq Vixen	Posted - 2011.07.06 19:23:00 - [190] /signed
Dark Assassin15 Failed Diplomacy B A N E	Posted - 2011.07.06 20:19:00 - [191] Originally by: Veronica Velmont Please bring it back!! I dont care if its buggy just allow me to have the option to use it yea just like u did with CQ / WIS / TitanBridge nerf / Probing / old hanger view / NEX store / Incursions / nano nerf / PI did i miss something ? ---

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