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Mocam
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Posted - 2011.02.06 11:26:00 -
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I tried it, I liked it.
The only close to "negative" comment I believe I made was for it to be allowed to dock on any edge - top, bottom, left, right -- just like you can do with the windows task bar.
Yes - please let it be completed. It was done decently and did add some value when using it.
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San Severina
Minmatar
One Point 0
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Posted - 2011.02.06 11:30:00 -
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they need those resources for the extremely popular & wildly successful Spacebook project we all love and use daily -*cough, cough****
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No sympathy for the Devil! Always remember that....
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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.06 11:35:00 -
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Not signed...
Not that the new NeoCom was that bad, except for not being vertical (BIG no-no!), but it'd just figure VERY low on the things in EVE (and the EVE UI) that needs attention.
By and large, the current NeoCom works very well. It provides quick access to the most needed functions, and does so effectively.
If CCP has any UI resources leftover, they'd do far better spending them on:
- Contract UI
- Trade UI
- Invention UI
- Production UI
- Research UI
- Overheating UI
- Drone UI
- Inventory UI
- Assets UI
- Journal UI
- RP Store UI
- Corp UI
All of these are cumbersome to use (in varying degrees), doesn't provide very easy access to information, and some of them require excessive and repetitive work to do just simple things.
They're all FAR better candidates for improvement than the NeoCom...
 Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Thoraxe Rig
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.06 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rixiu
Not signed. The time needed to make a new neocom is better spent elsewhere on the UI. Not saying the current neocom is perfect though, fixing the few odd things about it would be awesome.
I'm sure we can all ***** and whine for years about which part of the UI needs work done first. But it's a start and it's certainly better than nothing. 
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Terrible Damage
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Posted - 2011.02.06 12:30:00 -
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/signed
The UI is one of my biggest gripes right now with it's partly unmovable objetcs, the inability to select your own font and the inability to scale it.
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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.06 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 06/02/2011 12:43:06
Originally by: Thoraxe Rig
But it's a start and it's certainly better than nothing.
So essentially you're saying that CCP shouldn't prioritise their resources to fix bad problems before small (if even that) problems?
That doesn't make any sense at all...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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PTang
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Posted - 2011.02.06 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: PTang on 06/02/2011 19:44:03
Originally by: Razin
Edited by: Razin on 06/02/2011 05:35:10
Originally by: Turrican 2
Edited by: Turrican 2 on 06/02/2011 05:13:29
not supported
This petition should not be considered due to the ergonomic flaws of the new neocom approach as has been discussed and demonstrated in various threads. In a 16:9/16:10 layout with low vertical resolution it makes no sense to further reduce the visible area by introducing a horizontal neocom. Or are we all going back to 4:3 layouts again?
At 1920x1200 the new neocom at its smallest height took up 2.7% of the vertical resolution (if you chose not to hide it). I don't know if it scaled with different resolutions, but EVE shouldn't be held back by outdated hardware and tiny screens anyway.
Edit: In addition the thing could be made transparent like the old neocom, so the perceived 'reduced visible area' argument is just so much bs from people who couldn't be bothered with trying something before forming an opinion.
also current Neocom takes up 1.5% of the bottom of the screen anyways. it's where all of the tabs go.
Tippia why do you ignore the fact that the current neo com goes across the bottom of the screen? and that the new was not only took up 0.7% less screen space, but was promised to get vertical anyways. I mean you're arguing that going horizontal made it bad when they already said it would dockable to any side.
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ApophisXP
Sadistic Retribution
Sadistic Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.06 19:42:00 -
[98]
me want new neocom! me want it now!
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Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2011.02.06 20:09:00 -
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Signed! I was really looking forward to this! Don't get rid of an idea just because the few people who post online don't like it! You have 300k players! What percent of them said they don't want it?
-geek
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James Giovanni
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Posted - 2011.02.06 20:10:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Kerfira
Edited by: Kerfira on 06/02/2011 11:38:31
Not signed...
Not that the new NeoCom was that bad, except for not being vertical (BIG no-no!), but it'd just figure VERY low on the things in EVE (and the EVE UI) that needs attention.
By and large, the current NeoCom works very well. It provides quick access to the most needed functions, and does so effectively.
Kerfira, the neo neocom could go vertical.
also, the neo neocom had the promise of a drone combat panel that would dock right into it
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Internet White Knight
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Posted - 2011.02.06 20:22:00 -
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They never intended to put it live, they just wanted to make something worse so that people could see that the current UI isn't so bad and to shut up about it for once. Mission accomplished. |
jade ranger
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Posted - 2011.02.06 20:39:00 -
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Hey look we've already got more posts than the official feedback thread on SiSi.
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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.06 20:42:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Kerfira on 06/02/2011 20:42:09
Originally by: James Giovanni
Originally by: Kerfira
My post
Kerfira, the neo neocom could go vertical.
also, the neo neocom had the promise of a drone combat panel that would dock right into it
You managed to miss the point completely... 
Not being vertical was a no-no, but the BIG problem with the new NeoCom was that it wasn't solving any problems! It was merely putting some new glossy features into the game replacing something that already works rather well.
CCP is welcome to put new glossy features in any day, but they should allocate the resources they have for that so they replace features that DOESN'T work well!
Nobody was complaining about the NeoCom before this, but people WERE complaining about the other parts of the UI. That tells me that spending effort on the NeoCom is not the right decision...
Making shiny for shiny's sake is not a good business priority...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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PTang
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Posted - 2011.02.06 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Internet White Knight
They never intended to put it live, they just wanted to make something worse so that people could see that the current UI isn't so bad and to shut up about it for once. Mission accomplished.
I don't see people shutting up only 20% of this thread thinks the old UI was better. in fact like jade pointed out, this thread is starting to get larger than the "negative" feedback thread.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.06 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: PTang
Tippia why do you ignore the fact that the current neo com goes across the bottom of the screen?
Because mine doesn't (and when it does, it's not actually stealing vertical space from all those lists). And the fact that it does for some is still a severe case of bad design ù taking that flaw and making the rest of the neocom as flawed is the wrong way to go.
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I mean you're arguing that going horizontal made it bad when they already said it would dockable to any side.
I'm arguing that going horizontal made it bad because "later" is not a good argument for not thinking about these things now. If they made that kind of beginner's mistake, it doesn't inspire confidence for the future.
It shows they were not thinking, and it shows why it was a good thing that it was withdrawn until it could be given proper attention.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Kinta Huron
Exotic Matter
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Posted - 2011.02.06 21:33:00 -
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/signed
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PTang
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Posted - 2011.02.07 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: PTang
Tippia why do you ignore the fact that the current neo com goes across the bottom of the screen?
Because mine doesn't (and when it does, it's not actually stealing vertical space from all those lists). And the fact that it does for some is still a severe case of bad design ù taking that flaw and making the rest of the neocom as flawed is the wrong way to go.
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I mean you're arguing that going horizontal made it bad when they already said it would dockable to any side.
I'm arguing that going horizontal made it bad because "later" is not a good argument for not thinking about these things now. If they made that kind of beginner's mistake, it doesn't inspire confidence for the future.
It shows they were not thinking, and it shows why it was a good thing that it was withdrawn until it could be given proper attention.
ok but wait, how is withdrawing an optional interface help? I'm sure he could of kept working o it just fine while it could be tested on TQ. This thread is full of people in support of TQ beta testing. Instead we'll get some other Neocom dropped us one day, and they won't make it optional on TQ> that was the brilliance of the neo neocom.
also your neocom does go across the bottom. it's where everything in eve goes when you minimize it. to the bottom. By pulling it it won't get attention. If it was TQ it would get the veritical option, and all of those tabs on the bottom would of have sucked into the vertical bar forever.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.07 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: PTang
ok but wait, how is withdrawing an optional interface help?
Dead code (not to mention dead-end code) and mock-ups have no place in release version.
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also your neocom does go across the bottom. it's where everything in eve goes when you minimize it.
And I don't minimise things for that very reason unless it's very temporarily, because the functionality offered by minimising is already solved in numerous other ways. And as mentioned, even when minimised, the tabs doesn't actually take away vertical space.
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If it was TQ it would get the veritical option, and all of those tabs on the bottom would of have sucked into the vertical bar forever.
Yes, but it didn't, and again: that shows that the thing wasn't well thought-through. Like Kefira mentioned, it didn't actually solve anything ù it was more of a visual mock-up with some very basic functionality (which boiled down to duplicating and grouping the same standard functions in many places at once). In fact, as far a minimising things went, it rather made a few things worse.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Ytamii Arval
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.02.13 06:06:00 -
[109]
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No, no, no...and no. I suffered with it for two weeks on SISI, until I couldn't take it anymore and switched back. Returning to the 'classic' Neo felt like a major upgrade.
The new one was: slow, clunky, added many extra clicks to accomplish common tasks. CCP made a great call on this one...get over it.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.13 06:15:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Mocam
The only close to "negative" comment I believe I made was for it to be allowed to dock on any edge - top, bottom, left, right -- just like you can do with the windows task bar.
Yes - please let it be completed. It was done decently and did add some value when using it.
This.
/signed
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PTang
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Posted - 2011.02.13 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ytamii Arval
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No, no, no...and no. I suffered with it for two weeks on SISI, until I couldn't take it anymore and switched back. Returning to the 'classic' Neo felt like a major upgrade.
The new one was: slow, clunky, added many extra clicks to accomplish common tasks. CCP made a great call on this one...get over it.
how did it add more clicks... it got rid of them.
also while I basically think you never touched it on SiSi anyways *no one would use something they don't like for 2 weeks that's optional* your basicly complaining that the beta build of a new feature was buggy... on the test server...
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Mystic5hadow
Koku Uchu Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.13 06:30:00 -
[112]
/Signed
I've been waiting on a new NeoCom since joining in '08. The Beta UI looked fantastic compared to what we have now.
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Eleonora Skye
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Posted - 2011.02.13 06:31:00 -
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/signed. Was the only thing i was waiting for in Incursion. I don't PvE, and i don't care about sims.
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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.02.13 07:40:00 -
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/signed
was waiting to go around posting screens and telling everyone EVE is an operating system. Now I can't do that.
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Florestan Bronstein
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Posted - 2011.02.13 08:16:00 -
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not signed.
The current Neocom does its job fine (in a very unintrusive way) - there are many other UI improvements that dev resources would be better spent on than revamping the Neocom.
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Mina Sulva'r
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.13 08:28:00 -
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Hey, does anyone have a YouTube link to what it looked like? Never got the chance to see it in action.
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PTang
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Posted - 2011.02.13 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mina Sulva'r
Hey, does anyone have a YouTube link to what it looked like? Never got the chance to see it in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRC4Tj3hMfo
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Barbship Spacey
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Posted - 2011.02.13 09:30:00 -
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signed.
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Koba Kyogen
The Minutemen
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.02.13 10:36:00 -
[119]
Go eff yo'self.
A bunch of us like it the way it is.
Go play something "fresh" if this games UI is stale.
KK
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed. delaying startup again.
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Dark Assassin15
Failed Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.02.13 12:57:00 -
[120]
/signed
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