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Carlata Corona
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Posted - 2011.02.06 07:59:00 -
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i very much enjoy playing eve and have met some great people here. i do, however, have
some issues with violence in "high sec". high security to me infers being safe
from attacks by other players. on numerous ocassions i have been witness to attacks on
unarmed, defenseless miners and haulers just out minding their own business. with this
senseless hulk-killing contest coming up, these attacks are becoming much more frequent.
the player(s) behind this contest and participating in it need to be dealt with in a very
severe way.<br><br>as you know, i haven't been playing this game for long,
and i understand that this violence is currently part of this game. in order to make
this game more enjoyable for MORE people, i have a recommendation for you. make the
penalties for such actions stiff enough to discourage players from committing violent
acts against unarmed ships in high security areas. let those interested in that side of
the game go to low security or no security areas and do whatever they want. i would say
at least a one week suspension from the game would not be too stiff a
penalty.<br><br>i know that there are 10s of thousands of other players with
these same concerns, and many long time players who feel ccp won't do anything to make
this game better for industrial types. i challenge you to prove them wrong! make this a
game where ALL facets of the game can be equally enjoyable for
everyone.<br><br>i hope you actually read this petition and act favorably
upon it.<br><br>sincerely,<br>carlata corona
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D'Katoza
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Posted - 2011.02.06 08:52:00 -
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Honestly, it's all part of the game. If you own a ship, there will be someone out there willing to pop it. Risk and danger is part of this game. As a miner/industrialist myself, if the dangers in highsec were taken away, it would take something away from eve itself. It's really not hard to chuck a few armour plates on your mining ship or chosen hauler, which will give you the time to warp away - negating the object of desire of the ganker. Fitting your ship with no defences of any kind is foolhardy, risky, and makes you a yummy target to the suicide gankers. They get 1 shot before thier ass gets kicked by CONCORD, if you can resist it - it makes a big loss for them. Then they wont be so willing to try again. 
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Zaboth Garadath
Amarr
Ore Extraction Corporation
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Posted - 2011.02.06 09:08:00 -
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aaaaaarg!
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.02.06 09:11:00 -
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Your post... it makes my eyes bleed. Paragraphs are your friend.
That said... your troll attempt falls flat. This topic has been beaten to death. Go for something more original next time.
On the off-chance that this is [yet another] serious whine about high-sec "security"...
forget everything you know about other MMOs with regards to "security" and "griefing." They do not apply here. In EvE, no place is safe against those who are truly determined to kill you and/or make a profit. In high-sec, you are SAFER than in low-sec. In low-sec you are [hypothetically speaking] SAFER than in null-sec. In null-sec there are no rules except those you can enforce by force.
To get to the heart of your... "idea"... it goes against the non-consensual and "sandbox" aspect of EvE. Everyone is free to do what they will... be it Industry, or PvP. There are just "penalties" for doing what you do.
Example 1: As a pure industrialist, your skills will allow you to essentially "make" ISK. However, you will be weak in the realm of combat and against players who specialize in it.
Example 2: As a pure PvPer, your skills will allow you to kill other ships effectively. However, your ability to make ISK will be [hypothetically] less than that of a "pure" industrialist.
In a nutshell... if people are willing to pay the penalties for their actions, let them do it.
This is not to say you are powerless against combat types. If you are a successful industrialist, use your ISK to hire Mercenaries to exact a little revenge. If you have friends who are competent in the ways of PvP, have them pay your enemies a little "visit." If you simply wish to avoid ship to ship combat in general, keep your head low and try not the attract too much attention (i.e. don't carry around extremely valuable stuff in a ship that is slow and/or easily gankable).
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Vultre9
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.02.06 09:11:00 -
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Honestly it is safe, if just like real life tho u need to know what to do and what not to do...
Always be at least partially aligned to somthing and when somebody that seems like they could have less than good intentions warps in take action by gtfo'ing. If im mining in my soft lil Retreiver and a couple dessies with the same corp tag warp in, i get out and save my ship and while i wait for the 'heat' to cool off i take a break, play somthing else, worse somes to worse i scrap my mining and go off to new things.
It really isnt that big of a deal, sui-gankers gave miners a VERY nice warning since they said they were starting Hulkaggedon on Feb. 1 when it was still like Jan.
Even if u do get ganked, it isnt the end of the world. The only true loss is one that u dont learn from.
One suggestion is to scan (yes scanning in high sec oh my!) for 'hidden' asteroid belts that usually contain low-sec ores, just doing that should keep u 99% safe.
God Luck on ur mining woes :)
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.02.06 10:34:00 -
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There is not supposed to be any completely safe place in EvE.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~ |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.02.06 10:50:00 -
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Safety is relative. Just as a guy with a gun can run amok in a department store, so can a guy with a Tempest kill you on Jita 4-4.
The penalties for doing so are too low though (ie. there are none but a few ISK and standings). ISK is readily available and standings can be gained in 100% safety in bore-sec.
Solution:
Move all sec.gain activity to low-sec.
Let the high-sec and weekend "pirates" come mingle with the really, really rotten apples if they want to return to high-sec after the umpteenth suicide gank .. 
Perfect balancing with none of the draconian measures otherwise suggested to "fix" suicides
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Admiral Leviathan
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Posted - 2011.02.06 17:10:00 -
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high-sec needs nerfing, sorry, not supported.
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.02.06 17:38:00 -
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High security means safer, not safe.
 Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
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Posted - 2011.02.06 17:55:00 -
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First of all, why are there html tags in your post?
Secondly, hi sec is way too safe.
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Nora Skuld
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Posted - 2011.02.06 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
High security means safer, not safe.
The reality is that you are indeed safe, 99% of the time. The whole hi-sec experience is misguiding. Hi-sec missionning can lead someone to believe that if his ship can take a whole pocket of NPCs, it means his ship is a good ship. In hi-sec, the more SP you have and the more expensive your ships are, the more successful you will be. Outside hi-sec, this approach can only lead to failure.
It's unfair to give crap to people who doesn't know better. Go tell to a hi-sec bear that he should cut down his ISK/hour rate in the super rare case he gets suicide ganked.
I'd rather ask CCP to change how you play in hi-sec.
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Wurzel Gummidge
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Posted - 2011.02.06 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Carlata Corona
i very much enjoy playing eve and have met some great people here. i do, however, have
some issues with violence in "high sec". high security to me infers being safe
from attacks by other players. on numerous ocassions i have been witness to attacks on
unarmed, defenseless miners and haulers just out minding their own business. with this
senseless hulk-killing contest coming up, these attacks are becoming much more frequent.
the player(s) behind this contest and participating in it need to be dealt with in a very
severe way.<br><br>as you know, i haven't been playing this game for long,
and i understand that this violence is currently part of this game. in order to make
this game more enjoyable for MORE people, i have a recommendation for you. make the
penalties for such actions stiff enough to discourage players from committing violent
acts against unarmed ships in high security areas. let those interested in that side of
the game go to low security or no security areas and do whatever they want. i would say
at least a one week suspension from the game would not be too stiff a
penalty.<br><br>i know that there are 10s of thousands of other players with
these same concerns, and many long time players who feel ccp won't do anything to make
this game better for industrial types. i challenge you to prove them wrong! make this a
game where ALL facets of the game can be equally enjoyable for
everyone.<br><br>i hope you actually read this petition and act favorably
upon it.<br><br>sincerely,<br>carlata corona
Not even worth discussion, bloated sense of entitlement, ignorance of how the game really is. You don't speak for all industrial types, since those with half a brain know how to get around such events as Hulkageddon and are already preparing for it. You only speak for the whining, lazy types who think they shouldn't have to adapt their way of thinking to suit the situation. There are numerous things to do that allow you to circumvent becoming a target for the Hulkageddon gankers, but you're too lazy or ignorant to even try to figure out what they are and it's those pilots that are the intended target of Hulkageddon.
Welcome to EVE, if you don't like it, the door is that way.
I can't read and I can't write, but that doesn't really matter,
Cos I come from Trowbridge and I can drive a tractor |
Mike Voidstar
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Posted - 2011.02.07 09:39:00 -
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Hi. Welcome to EVE.
First, I hope you posted that eye-searing wall-of-text with an ALT. There are a few people that will look you up in game and make it a point to come blow you out of space for a good chuckle because you posted something like this.
Second, you have to understand that one of the core concepts of the game is that no-one is safe from pvp at any time outside of a space station dock. There is at least one exception to prove the rule, but for the most part if you are out in space, you are a potential target.
There's a significant portion of EVE that enjoys spending their time and making their money shooting rocks that cannot defend themselves. There's a somewhat smaller, but no less significant portion of EVE that enjoys spending their time and making their money by shooting players that cannot defend themselves.
One of the key aspects of EVE is managing your risk. Don't fly what you can't afford to watch blow up, don't fly where you are being hunted without preparing to defend yourself in some way.
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Unholy Converter
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Posted - 2011.02.07 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Unholy Converter on 07/02/2011 10:04:39
Edited by: Unholy Converter on 07/02/2011 10:02:30
Quote:
i very much enjoy playing eve and have met some great people here. i do, however, have
some issues with violence in "high sec". high security to me infers being safe
from attacks by other players. on numerous ocassions i have been witness to attacks on
unarmed, defenseless miners and haulers just out minding their own business. with this
senseless hulk-killing contest coming up, these attacks are becoming much more frequent.
the player(s) behind this contest and participating in it need to be dealt with in a very
severe way.<br><br>as you know, i haven't been playing this game for long,
and i understand that this violence is currently part of this game. in order to make
this game more enjoyable for MORE people, i have a recommendation for you. make the
penalties for such actions stiff enough to discourage players from committing violent
acts against unarmed ships in high security areas. let those interested in that side of
the game go to low security or no security areas and do whatever they want. i would say
at least a one week suspension from the game would not be too stiff a
penalty.<br><br>i know that there are 10s of thousands of other players with
these same concerns, and many long time players who feel ccp won't do anything to make
this game better for industrial types. i challenge you to prove them wrong! make this a
game where ALL facets of the game can be equally enjoyable for
everyone.<br><br>i hope you actually read this petition and act favorably
upon it.<
We regret to inform you that CONCORD has retired its overbearing mother pilots due to incessant nagging and menopause. Please note CONCORD has opened a small portal called "Hello Kitty Online" where the facts of EVE life are no longer applicable and you can live your life in a stress free bubble environment,also note that CONCORD cannot protect you from unexpected psychological trauma should you stray from HKO.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.02.07 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Carlata Corona
BlahBlahBlah...
i haven't been playing this game for long
BlahBlah!
So, lets get this straight, you haven't been playing long, but you want to change the fundemental rules of the entire game?
Look, if its not the right game for you, then find another one. Demanding week long suspensions for people who pirate is.... well quite frankly, a terribad idea!
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Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
"I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!"
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.07 17:14:00 -
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Stations are safe as long as you don't do any trading while docked, you might get scammed. 
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.02.07 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Wurzel Gummidge
Not even worth discussion, bloated sense of entitlement, ignorance of how the game really is....
Hahahahaha, you just described 90%+ of all threads discussing the dreaded topic of balance
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.07 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Carlata Corona
high security to me infers being safe from attacks by other players.
And that's where you need to adjust your expectations.
It's high security, not complete security. "High" in and of itself is a relative measure, as someone mentioned, and the security in highsec is most certainly higher than in low-sec or nullsec. Thus it is correctly named.
Quote:
i know that there are 10s of thousands of other players with these same concerns, and many long time players who feel ccp won't do anything to make this game better for industrial types.
Now, you do realise that it would be better for the industrial types if more ships blew up, right?
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.02.07 22:39:00 -
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This game would not be the same if I couldn't lose my ship at any moment. Holding onto your assests in Eve is an art form. Learn it, Love it!!
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.07 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: NinjaSpud
This game would not be the same if I couldn't lose my ship at any moment. Holding onto your assests in Eve is an art form. Learn it, Love it!!
Hallelujah Brother!
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reddot23
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Posted - 2011.02.07 23:06:00 -
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well its the sound of grifters trying to make a point for ccp the sound you make is = 0 money over time his post + more money over time grifters days are # enjoy it why it lasts
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.08 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: reddot23
well its the sound of grifters trying to make a point for ccp the sound you make is = 0 money over time his post + more money over time grifters days are # enjoy it why it lasts
We have for nearly 8 years, thank you very much.
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