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alexreborn The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.07 01:54:00 - [1] Good Afternoon Fellow Pod Pilots, How many of you out there have been blessed by a name starting with an A? Do you ever jump into a new system and say to yourself "Damn, now everyone knows who the new local is". Well every day I jump into a new system and low and behold my name always appears at the top of local list. This handicap has plagued pod pilots that begin with the first few letters of the alphabet for many years and we have grown tired of it. We suggest that local should not be an alphabetical list of names, but it should be completely randomized. Are there some negative aspects to this? Yes, it will be hard to find names of friends in local when there are many names to sift through. However, pod pilots with letters at the start of the alphabet will not be discriminated against when jumping into systems. To further on this, the over view should not allow listing people in space alphabetically either. However, one thing at a time û this will be a future argument. LetÆs make EVE fair and fun for everyone. We shouldnÆt have to come up with names that begin with Z to get around this. Regards, Your Pod Pilot Brother Alexreborn
alexreborn The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.07 02:54:00 - [2] My Brothers, No need to cut each others throats. Clearly the current system in place is beneficial to some, otherwise such out cry would not exist. There is clearly going to be mixed emotions over what I am suggesting because those who stand to lose the in game benefit will clearly voice their objections - as they already have. Thanks by the way for being so vocal, as you have done exactly what I wanted you to do - prove my point for me. Clearly, something needs to be done. Just remember, at the end of the day I am not asking for the game to be redone. All I am pointing out is that local is unbalanced and favours people with names that begin with letters further in the alphabet then others. You must surely realize this regardless of your trivial arguments on these forums.
alexreborn The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.07 02:57:00 - [3] Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik Originally by: Brock Nelson That's alrite, it makes it easier for us to spot war targets like yourself right away without having to scroll through the list. Say what? Uhmm, sorry to be the first one to say this to you, but your name starts with "B" Trying to hide a half of your face won't help As for the suggestion, I say let it stay sorted by name - but in a descending order. Let the "Z" guys feel for a bit how it's like I dont seek vengeance, but perhaps something like this will help people realize what it is like to be born with such a handicapp.
alexreborn The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.07 03:00:00 - [4] The current system offers intel that is biased and unbalanced.
alexreborn The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.07 03:06:00 - [5] Edited by: alexreborn on 07/02/2011 03:06:47 Hi Xylengra, I would like to point out an error in your assumption. The reason is this: If everyone named themselves with X at the start, eventually we would run into the same problem. It would still be alphabetical. here let me explain. If I named my self Xalengra, and you named your self Xylengra, I would be above you all of the time. Which means in a long enough list, it would still create an intel bias. I also find that the uniqueness of character names would slowly deminish and eventually dissapear as more and more pod pilots discover that an easy way to get around this local unbalance is to name themselves with letters further in the alphabet. Originally by: Xylengra So, you chose poorly and now want to not have to deal with the consequences of your choices. You were breast fed, weren't you?
alexreborn The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.07 03:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Brock Nelson That's alrite, it makes it easier for us to spot war targets like yourself right away without having to scroll through the list. OH the irony.
alexreborn The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.07 03:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Brock Nelson Just what kind of "intel bias" does being you being ahead of my name create? Hi Brock, it appears many pilots in this game dont seem to understand what this thread is about and yet keep posting to try and derail the thread. Let me explain in full the intel bias. here is a hypothetical situation: You jump into a 0.0 system where everyone is blue to each other except for you. There are 50 people in local. The only people visible on your screen are the first 10-15 people in local. To see the other 30+ you must scroll local. This means if a person with an A jumps in, his name is at the top of the Local channel. What this means is that the people who are lazily ratting or misisoning or whatever they are doing get instant intel that you have enterd channel. This means that they dont really have to watch local too much and scroll up and down and check names as carefully. But as I said this bias only affects people with the first few letters of the alphabet. Making the game unfair for those with these letters because we cant properly surprise people the same was as say someone with a Z at the begining of their name who would be at the bottom of local. This means that a ratter/missioner, or gang will have to pay more attention to local then if its the other way around.
alexreborn The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.07 03:22:00 - [8] Edited by: alexreborn on 07/02/2011 03:23:12 I enjoy your continuous attempt at derailing this thread. It shows how mature you are.
alexreborn The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.07 21:15:00 - [9] Edited by: alexreborn on 07/02/2011 21:21:09 It's actually pretty sad that most people have to resort to insulting other players intelligence and position, to defend their argument Regardless of the non-sense posted within this thread, I really dont understand the counter argument being made... In particular the "OMG YOU CHOSE YOUR NAME AND NOW YOU SHOULD LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCS STFUUUUU" ya, HI, what exactly does that mean? That means exactly what I've been saying: That CLEARLY there is an advantage to having a name that doesn't begin with the early letters of the alphabet. The EXACT ARGUMENT that I am trying to make is that "THERE SHOULD BE NO DISADAVANTAGE OR PUNISHMENT OR CONSEQUENCE TO PLAYERS REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY DECIDE THEIR NAME TO BE," it's actually quite hilarious that those WHO continue to post to try and insult me are just proving my point more concretely. Which is actually fantastic because it is what I set out do. The fact is, the local system needs to be fixed.IT is not perfect. It creates an unbalanced way of retaining intelligence. For a game that is suppose to be as brutal as eve, having such an issue, to give players this tiny advantage over others, is not fair to the player base. CCP should strive for excellence. This is but one small adjustment that will make everyone happy. P.S. Please come up with a concrete argument to refute my arguments made so far. KTHNX.
alexreborn The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.08 00:05:00 - [10] Edited by: alexreborn on 08/02/2011 00:06:36 You nailed it on the head. That's exactly it, my technique for survival is not appearing in local list. I am so glad that so many people on these forums know how to tell me how not to play this game, or how to improve in this game. Thanks for the solid advice. Actually, I don't see how CCP could turn it into a half assed mess because it already is a half assed mess. If anything, whatever they turn it into would be an improvement. It's actually not difficult to do. All they have to do is insert a random command in how name placement appears. Problem Solved. Originally by: KaarBaak Originally by: Magnus Orin local was never intended as an intel tool and thus will never be balanced as such ^^This. If CCP starts futzing with local, they will end up making it into some kind of half-arsed mess. 1) If your technique for surviving is centered around not being at the top of the local list, you need to work on your Eve skills. B) If you're relying on local as your primary source of intel, you need to work on your Eve skills. KB
alexreborn The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.08 00:57:00 - [11] Edited by: alexreborn on 08/02/2011 00:58:46 I like that you have taken time to write something coherent. I want to state; don't think that because I have an A in my name, and that because I am here argueing about this game mechanic that I haven't figured out how to utilize it to my advantage. EVE is not meant to be fair in terms of how powerful your charachters become: THAT IS there are RICH and POOR and POWERFUL and WEAK, HOWEVER, that has nothing to do with game imbalances. The one thing EVE must be fair on and must be properly balanced is in HOW the players interact with each other. That means market systems must behave as intended. That means combat must work as intended. A game BUG has nothing to do with the cold dark universe of EVE and as such must be fixed. Situations in which the game is bugged and gives advantage to SOME but not others is a flaw in the game itself. Originally by: iP0D Edited by: iP0D on 08/02/2011 00:43:43 You engaged on a PVP game knowing there was at least some angle of shooting targets together with others and against others as it is a multiplayer environment and made a character starting with an "A". Alright, plenty people have learned that lesson, they have adapted. There are many ways to do just that, and yes this is part of the EVE experience. As for the discussion on CCP, I'd suggest to use the feedback instrument that is not simply just available but which in its 5th term has demonstrated both the methods, the best practices and the effort to get CCP to many a table. Still, CCP has a lot to prove in this year, there will be very little room for addressing structural changes. Not in the least composing a vision which balances both "spaceships" and "incarna" as well as "sales" with "retention". Yes, the upcoming elections for CSM 6 will likely be just about shouting and popular things to say, but take a little time to look around on blogs of CSM members as current, and you will quickly see what really gives results with CCP - tedious as progress is even for CSM 5 (the causes for which lie with CCP however). I would not get too high expectations in those regards for changes on the detail level, there will be a struggle for attention, so to speak. At best we'll see lots and lots of focus on Incarna, and a severe struggle to address just the most crippling "big picture" issues (which only come down to what sells and what keeps, as for that looking at the QEN's is a good idea on seeing which areas of the game are less equal than others). but look, you can make a big deal out of your situation .. or take it as part of the EVE challenge. A character starting with an "A" yeah, oops. I had that once too. I still use that character. But as bait and distraction. The key argument is one with which you may not agree. EVE is specifically designed to not be fair. It's a cold and dark place, and even though you have immense freedom, there is always something or someone out to get you, and verything you do has consequences. Sometimes those are simple as they are part of the learning curve, sometimes they are tough and require stepping outside of the in game environment, and yes sometimes those are ambiguous. Welcome to EVE.
alexreborn The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.08 01:00:00 - [12] Originally by: 1001 010 0013 Meatbags complaining about letters. We shall flense the flesh from your bones then you will have no need for names. I want you to know I am there, I shall always rise to the top, in local and in dominance. On topic I feel your pain. And revel in it. Love this post, +100
alexreborn The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.08 03:00:00 - [13] Edited by: alexreborn on 08/02/2011 03:02:34 This is interesting. It is almost akin to: If CCP claims something is unbalanced, then they are 100% correct. However, if the player base claims that something is unbalanced or broken: It is meant to be unfair. What would be your argument in a case in which you go to buy something on the market, the price says 1 million isk, and you click buy, BUT a game bug withdraws 1 billion isk from your wallet? And letÆs say that by random chance this event happens to 1 out of 100 players every two weeks. Is this then also part of the ôcold, hard reality that is eve?ö We can create thousand examples, like the one above, in which something in game creates game play issues or unbalances, and then simply claim ôWELL TOUGH, EVE IS UNFAIR.ö In fact, this argument can be used in EVERY situation that has ever existed EVE then. This type of argument and attaching it to your argument to defend your position does not strengthen your argument. If CCP used this type of argument in defense of bugs that they found, and flawed game play mechanics they would certainly lose their customer base, and would have no hopes of further growth. Unfortunately that is the ôcold, harsh reality that is life.ö It seems that no matter what I put on the table, the same argument keeps appearing in some form. I understand that you are all in love with this game, and hang off the sentences that CCP releases with dear life. I understand your devotion. I understand the anger and frustration that so many of you have in regards to what I am asking. The simple thing is, you donÆt want to lose any benefit you have created for yourself (OUT OF SHEER LUCK). The fact is, you should not have to create an ALT with a name begining with M to have an advantage over players that begin their names with A.
alexreborn The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.08 03:54:00 - [14] I was all mad and stuff. So I went and did a level 5 to cool off and got a vindicator BPC. So now I am happy and pleased with EVE. CCP musta just paid me off.

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