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Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.02.08 22:00:00 - [1] I've had this thought for awhile and it seems to me that it might be worth getting a feel for what the playerbase thinks about it: Make all offensive modules high slot only. This has two major effects that I can see: It forces everyone to consider sacrificing damage to be able to use EW, tackle, and other offensive modules. It allows EW ships to fit a real tank without sacrificing their viability. The reasoning for this thought is that I don't think everyone should be able to eat their cake and have it to. EvE is about tradeoffs, and if you suddenly had to choose between damage, tackle, EW, etc... what would you do? Would it make certain EW ships OP? I'm not sure. The Falcon doesn't have that many high slots, neither does the Scorp. Would tacklers be hurt? Maybe. But then again damage is not usually why a tackler is there in the first place. What do you think and why? Trolls will be reported promptly. ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2011.02.08 22:01:00 - [2] Originally by: Val'Dore Trolls will be reported promptly. As will people who continually post terrible threads. btw, Rook.
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.02.08 22:07:00 - [3] Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: Val'Dore Trolls will be reported promptly. As will people who continually post terrible threads. btw, Rook. What about the Rook? ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2011.02.08 22:10:00 - [4] You tell me, it's your awful idea. Unless, of course, you really haven't thought this through. Hint: Rook would fit ECM making it a non-cloaky Falcon, or missiles making it a bad Cerberus.
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.02.08 23:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Gypsio III You tell me, it's your awful idea. Unless, of course, you really haven't thought this through. Hint: Rook would fit ECM making it a non-cloaky Falcon, or missiles making it a bad Cerberus. I'm not seeing the problem. ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
Khamiz Catholic School for Boys	Posted - 2011.02.08 23:53:00 - [6] The whole H/M/L system is a bit odd anyway ... why does a module with 1 MW need a high-power-slot, when a 2000 MW module will feel happy in a low-power one ? Maybe it would be better to rethink the whole slot-idea from scratch than moving single mods/modgroups around. The way T3 ships a designed kinda points in that direction already. Pro: redesigning slots to off/def/engineering etc. would make ship design a lot more intuitive and logical Contra: it could cost quite some diversity - with shield/ewar and armor/weaponupgrades sharing places you have to think and balance to get a good fitting While the OP looks like a good idea on the first read, thinking about it reveales that it would lead to / require a complete revamp and rebalance of the entire ship system. And the more I write, the more I think it would lead to a disaster similar to SOE's various NGE-endeavours with Starwars Galaxies.
NinjaSpud	Posted - 2011.02.09 00:16:00 - [7] Correct me if im wrong, but wont this allow everyone to be able to have his cake and eat it to? What would it change? there are allready ships out there designed to just tackle, or just EW, or just have DPS This would allow frigs to tackle, tank, and have damage mods this would allow battleships to...tackle, tank and have damage mods battleships with low mid slots (amar) would be obsolite, as all the ones with high mid slots (caldari) would be able to run a full active/passive tank with open low slots for damage mods This would set the balance off in favor of a few... sorry, not supported
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.02.09 00:21:00 - [8] Originally by: NinjaSpud Correct me if im wrong, but wont this allow everyone to be able to have his cake and eat it to? No. Think about it a little longer. Quote: This would allow frigs to tackle, tank, and have damage mods this would allow battleships to...tackle, tank and have damage mods Can you cite specific examples of this? Like how would an Abaddon do that without losing damage? The geddon would be able to disrupt without losing any dps, but it would have the issues of how to deal with frigs. Quote: battleships with low mid slots (amar) would be obsolite, as all the ones with high mid slots (caldari) would be able to run a full active/passive tank with open low slots for damage mods What exactly is your point? Amarr ships would still be able to tank. Quote: This would set the balance off in favor of a few... [Citation Needed] ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.02.09 00:25:00 - [9] Well Marauders would be the king of PVP ships with this change, just saying.
Misanthra	Posted - 2011.02.09 00:43:00 - [10] Just admit it....you don't hate e-war. You just hate jammers. gallente sensor damps, one fitting. Minny paints and webs....1 fitting since at least 2 out of 5 drakes/cerbs in fleet is painting something so why bring it. Amarr tracking disrupts....guess how many fittings that is. HInt: 1. Caldari is 4 jammers. Most ships this is 2 lost highs (1 point, 1 ew) that keeps 3 races with some dps. Caldari is 5 lost highs (4 racial jammers, 1 point)...and dps goes to crap. What did caldari do to you? Current patch is incursion and the year is 2011....ccp patched "because of falcon" waaaaaay back dude. And your tanking concerns....Armor tank + scorpion = mids all free for jammers. slot layout screams some plates, eanm. EFT it if you don't believe it. Armor tankers...tank is already in lows. Again non issue.
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.02.09 05:29:00 - [11] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Well Marauders would be the king of PVP ships with this change, just saying. Maybe more ships should be like Marauders and Blood Raider/Sansha ships. ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.02.09 05:33:00 - [12] Originally by: Misanthra Just admit it....you don't hate e-war. I don't hate anything. Quote: You just hate jammers. Not specifically. Quote: gallente sensor damps, one fitting. A single RSD is not that effective. Quote: Most ships this is 2 lost highs (1 point, 1 ew) that keeps 3 races with some dps. Many ships have utility highs or the equivalent. But not all ships do. Quote: Caldari is 5 lost highs (4 racial jammers, 1 point)...and dps goes to crap. DPS was already crap to begin with. Honestly, Racial jammers shouldn't exist and multispecs should be as powerful as racial jammers. That would go a long way to alleviating your concerns. Quote: What did caldari do to you? Current patch is incursion and the year is 2011....ccp patched "because of falcon" waaaaaay back dude. This has nothing to do with the Falcon... or did I miss a memo that said that was the only ship anyone ever flies? ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
Misanthra	Posted - 2011.02.09 07:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Val'Dore DPS was already crap to begin with. Honestly, Racial jammers shouldn't exist and multispecs should be as powerful as racial jammers. That would go a long way to alleviating your concerns. Some dps better than none. Better multispec not happening, its a balance issue. Say you fit 2 jammers for amarr, more than 2 amarr have have a better chance to burn through the non-racials you have left. Sucks for the jammer, good for the other side. Been on both sides of that fence and see the reason for it. Otherwsie you'd have 5 falcons or scorps jamming 30ish ships with equal ease. Gate camps and turkey shoot fleet ops all fun and games till you pack up and head back home and hit someone elses ambushes lol.
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.02.09 08:45:00 - [14] Originally by: Misanthra Originally by: Val'Dore DPS was already crap to begin with. Honestly, Racial jammers shouldn't exist and multispecs should be as powerful as racial jammers. That would go a long way to alleviating your concerns. Some dps better than none. Better multispec not happening, its a balance issue. Say you fit 2 jammers for amarr, more than 2 amarr have have a better chance to burn through the non-racials you have left. Sucks for the jammer, good for the other side. Been on both sides of that fence and see the reason for it. Otherwsie you'd have 5 falcons or scorps jamming 30ish ships with equal ease. Gate camps and turkey shoot fleet ops all fun and games till you pack up and head back home and hit someone elses ambushes lol. Regardless, you haven't really countered the argument, only said what the other guy said, which is exactly what I said is supposed to happen. Giving up damage for EW is perfectly reasonable. ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2011.02.09 12:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Val'Dore Originally by: Gypsio III You tell me, it's your awful idea. Unless, of course, you really haven't thought this through. Hint: Rook would fit ECM making it a non-cloaky Falcon, or missiles making it a bad Cerberus. I'm not seeing the problem. Try engaging your brain?
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.02.09 19:03:00 - [16] Originally by: Gypsio III Originally by: Val'Dore Originally by: Gypsio III You tell me, it's your awful idea. Unless, of course, you really haven't thought this through. Hint: Rook would fit ECM making it a non-cloaky Falcon, or missiles making it a bad Cerberus. I'm not seeing the problem. Try engaging your brain? Are you supporting the idea? Because your supposed 'argument' is exactly what I am suggesting will happen. Maybe you should engage your brain. ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~

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