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Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.02.15 00:47:00 - [31] Originally by: Aiwha Aren't CCP staffers the ones who are masterminding the incursions? The early ones, yes they were. And those events were hugely successful. Which is why I have to LOL at those responding to the OP like a Xerox stuck on stupid mode repeating the mantra "Sandbox! Sandbox! Sandbox! We don't want it!" when obviously a significant portion of the Eve playerbase flocks to these live events when they happen. Some of the most memorable events in Eve were instigated by GMs. CCP made a big annoucement several months ago heralding the return of the live event team (this became Sansha invasions). Now that incursions are automated, it'd be nice to see them branch out.
Baconbit Argonauts of BAcon	Posted - 2011.02.15 02:02:00 - [32] "ZOMG I CAN HAZ BE PAYED TO PLAY?" Man I lol'd And if you can convince CCP to try something new (except more servers) then more power to ya. They haven't done anything thats bummed me out yet
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.15 03:23:00 - [33] Playmates are naked chicks.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2011.02.15 03:24:00 - [34] if by 'playmates' we mean 'hot well-endowed scantily clad young women', i'm totally in favor of this _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like.
Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.02.15 07:24:00 - [35] Originally by: Professor Tarantula It's not a bad idea. The problem with the sandbox counter argument is you're all so terribly boring and similar. If the few people who know how to RP properly and enjoy doing it were provided positions as regular 'actors' i think it would flesh out the game world nicely. This. The "it's a sandbox" knee-jerk reaction is pretty silly. This wouldn't limit what you can do, but it might add further depth to the setting. The game needs more immersion, IMO. What I like about this game is that you're free to play any role you want in a living, virtual world. The cohesive setting is a major part of that. The EVE universe is not populated with just a few hundred thousand capsuleers--there should be things happening without players' involvement also. By all means, you should be free to do what you want and to affect the world, but the world shouldn't be completely empty and static other than the players. If the game was a pure sandbox with no setting or immersion, it'd be pretty boring, IMO. It's the combination of a sandbox and a virtual world with a cohesive setting that makes EVE so compelling. I know many people think of EVE as just a online griefing tool, but it shouldn't be limited to that. As to whether this should be a priority or if it would be a worthwhile expenditure on CCP's part, I don't know. It's a nice idea, though. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW----- Bring back the NeoNeoCom!
Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.02.15 07:29:00 - [36] Edited by: Kyra Felann on 15/02/2011 07:29:47 Originally by: Professor Tarantula It's not a bad idea. The problem with the sandbox counter argument is you're all so terribly boring and similar. If the few people who know how to RP properly and enjoy doing it were provided positions as regular 'actors' i think it would flesh out the game world nicely. This. The "it's a sandbox" knee-jerk reaction is pretty silly. This wouldn't limit what you can do, but it might add further depth to the setting. The game needs more immersion, IMO. What I like about this game is that you're free to play any role you want in a living, virtual world. The cohesive setting is a major part of that. The EVE universe is not populated with just a few hundred thousand capsuleers--there should be things happening without players' involvement also. By all means, you should be free to do what you want and to affect the world, but the world shouldn't be completely empty and static other than the players. If the game was a pure sandbox with no setting or immersion, it'd be pretty boring, IMO. It's the combination of a sandbox and a virtual world with a cohesive setting that makes EVE so compelling. I know many people think of EVE as just a online griefing tool, but it shouldn't be limited to that. I think it'd be a neat idea if different NPC factions had real people "in charge" of them and could have them do stuff instead of just sitting there passively generating NPC goodie-bags to be farmed. There would have to be limitations to what they could do, of course. As to whether this should be a priority or if it would be a worthwhile expenditure on CCP's part, I don't know. It's a nice idea, though. EDIT: Oh, and about the term "playmates": -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW----- Bring back the NeoNeoCom!
Winters Chill Amarr Diesect	Posted - 2011.02.15 10:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Gwendion You seem to be missing the point of Eve and what draws most of us here. Eve is a Sandbox. There is no story. There is no writer driven theme to push us in a direction. Things like Faction Warfare and Incursions are received poorly by the majority of players for this reason. Actually I disagree, both of those features where/have been received poorly by the players because in both cases the risk verses reward was is so poorly out of synch with the rest of the game. The players in eve go where the isk is; So they can buy ships; so they can pvp. (eg: stealth bombing lvl 4 farmers in FW) This is why wormhole space fits in so neatly, because the isk/reward balance is just about right. When faction warfare was released I distinctly remember in the feedback thread one dev said when questioned about (the lack of) rewards, glibly stated that "lol well the reward is playing this awesome new feature in our awesome game" (paraphrased). And if you don't think there is huge isk reward for taking and holding null sec then your doing it wrong. Anyway what you said was spoken out of blind fanaticism or a burning need to defend your employer, I'm not sure which.
Darteis Elosia Gallente PHOENIX 2ND C.A.G. DEM0N HUNTERS	Posted - 2011.02.15 11:13:00 - [38] I figured this post was about playboy playmates in eve. OP you fail so hard.
DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2011.02.15 11:37:00 - [39] As I was reading this thread, I saw the statement about raising the monthly fee to support the idea. That right there killed the whole idea as far as I'm concerned. R.I.P.
Arrakis Shai Caldari Deja Vu Holding	Posted - 2011.02.15 13:06:00 - [40] Edited by: Arrakis Shai on 15/02/2011 13:10:47 Originally by: Ai Shun Originally by: Jenny Spitfire No no no. You have misinterpreted my idea. If there are no good guys in low sec or no attackers in 0.0 then PlayMates provide the seeds by being the good guys or attackers to get the ball going. If there are no pirates in low sec then PlayMates act as pirates for the anti-pirates. I come back to your statement: Originally by: Jenny Spitfire The problem is sometimes players do not wish to do something because they do not wish to lose or die. If players have CHOSEN not to do something; you want to FORCE them to do something. Because you think it will be fun. Players can create their own seeds. This is the one game where, no matter your experience or level of input, you can make your own fun. It does not need another Jenny Spitfire brainfart. I think your misinterpreting the intention behind Jenny's suggestion a bit here, by the sound of it you dont want anyone interfering with 'your game' that's fine, then IF this was ever implemented, just dont interact with them, and they'll never affect your sandbox. However, do you remember the kid in the sandbox that taught you to build your first sandcastle? Some players especially those who've not been in game for very long will find it difficult to experience the different aspects of EVE. Often the first corp that will take you in as a newbie will define what your career path will be until you train up a few skills. So say your first corp is a mining/indy corp; once those skills are trained and you've been in game for a while, the only activity you know is mining and indy. You login every day going through the motions, because that's the only part of the game you've been exposed to. But what you were really looking for in game was to move to 0.0 space and be a pirate. The problem is, now everyone checks your api on application and you get relegated to mining/indy duty in any corp you look into. This is where the CCP actors could work, say part of their cycle of activities is to play a roving band of pirates looking for members to fill their ranks. Via a little role play (and by that i don't mean hard core RP, their just playing the role of 'average' pilots) they become the short term acquaintance in game that taught you how to tackle properly, or set you on the track towards your first pvp kill etc. Effectively taking on the role of being the kid showing you how to make your first sandcastle. Then as time wears on, they discreetly make an exit and let you get on with it. EDIT: my orsum grammah nd spellin
voodoo Evolution IT Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.15 13:19:00 - [41] what a let down.. I thought this was about hawt playboy playmates. .
Mr LaForge	Posted - 2011.02.15 13:27:00 - [42] Clicked thread link expecting awesome. Left very disappointed.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.15 13:55:00 - [43] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson As I was reading this thread, I saw the statement about raising the monthly fee to support the idea. That right there killed the whole idea as far as I'm concerned. R.I.P. It took you that long?
Amaya Thorn	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:14:00 - [44] Can we... can we just stop using the word PlayMates?
Aderata Nonkin	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:15:00 - [45] Yeah, good idea. Then we could finally have Hunkageddon in the late summer. Peace through supreme firepower
Eyup Mi'duck	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:19:00 - [46] Oh Jenny you're SUCH a larf these days. Try joining Eve-uni, or any other corp for that matter. You'll find plenty of 'playmates' there.
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:28:00 - [47] Edited by: Patient 2428190 on 15/02/2011 14:28:44 I, too, can't find a single person to play this multiplayer game with so I need CCP to hire somebody to play with me.. By any chance, are you owned by masternerdguy now?
MrManjuice	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:37:00 - [48] Stay away from playmates, did you not read that 80 people come down with some respiratory illness after a party at the playboy mansion.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:42:00 - [49] I dont think centerfold models are the ideal people to improve the game unless we can look at them. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:54:00 - [50] Doh, I read "adding playmates to EVE" and the very first thing I thought was about bunny ears...
Eternus8lux8lucis Minmatar Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters	Posted - 2011.02.15 16:03:00 - [51] All Im hearing after being in this game so long is I cannot find targets so I want CCP to hire people to BE targets for me and my friends as well as I shall apply for such a job because then I shall be paid to go and find and hunt people for free without paying for my ship or gear or even my sub. Basically I shall PvP to my hearts content without the grind that everyone else has to do. Then I shall call it an improvement over what eve is because it shall benefit me and those like me. Lately Ive been reading the forums and the whine or "tears" as I prefer to call it form the PvP side. MOAAARR targets!! MOAAAARRR killmails!!! MOAAAAARRR PVP!!!! Normally this only amuses me vaguely but Ive been thinking and pondering about it. The thing is that after enough years in this game I find it caters more to the 0.0 oldtimer crowd. Those 4, 5, 6 and even 7+ year old players. They know the mechanics and have their manu/highsec/L4 alts running about doing the virtual grind. They empty their low sec or 0.0 moon goo and sell it to buy their shinies. Doing just enough to keep them into the PvP style theyr pirate/0.0 alt is accustomed too. Now this catering isnt much of an issue but the reality inherent is that all these toons have had years of experience hiding their "other" alts. Years protecting them. Making sure their "others" arent in harms way. Making sure noone can gank them or kill them so their isk streams are viable, protected and secure. And with each advancement within the game these alts become more and more secure, harder to gank. And soon you have people SCREAMING on the boards for MOOOOOAAAARR TARGETS!!!! So nublets, actual NEW players, are targeted. Or those less secure alts or whoever you CAN find. Yet for the most part it is a steady decrease in cannon fodder for those who wish to be pure PvPers. The thing is that anyone with half a brain sees the connection. Seeing the Red vs Blue games being played against the middle. Where a blue toon has a red or neutral alt to gank or in a pirate corp. These then hunt the other "blues" in secret. Its old hat in this game. And soon....yet again everythings made secure. CCP does its best to change the game when it gets this way. But must cater to its mantra of sandbox and piracy. To the older players that they are and that spend hundreds and thousands of dollars. Not just in fanfest but in buying GTCs for plexs but in keeping the CCP machine rolling. Yet they cannot, nor ever will. Because nearly ALL the viable targets become older and secure their assets and alts continually. They try to draw players to 0.0, to low sec, try to get piracy into high sec with Incursions. The ability to get instapopped by NPCs and the loot drops and tears are epic. Yeeessss bring new shiny faction/officer fit to get popped so I can stealz your lootz!! Oh happy days at last. Wrong. Why are there not pirates in the Caribbean anymore? Why was there just a Somali pirate deported to be charged in Britain in the news lately? Why isnt the West "wild" anymore? The answer is simple. People crave stability. Regular patterns and safety. Its why theres streetlights at intersections and to light those dark roads. So your kids can go to the corner store without getting mugged, rapped or killed. Its why the pirates of old are hunted down and eventually exterminated. And why the west was settled and isnt wild anymore. This occurs in eve along the same lines. Yet what will happen? Less and less PvP. Because everyone is looking for safety for themselves but still to take from others. And the older you get the less you will be able to take from them. Theyll learn the game mechanics too well. So for the hardcore PvPers out there Im sorry but stability is your enemy. The human nature for growth, safety and security will always kill everything you do. Ask yourself this if you doubt me? When you have to grind for your new shiny PvP ship do you want to be hunted and harassed at every turn? *********************************************** Where do we go from here? When theres no up and no down anymore...onward....eve Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.02.15 17:11:00 - [52] So... player piloted NPCs? ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.02.15 17:12:00 - [53] Came looking for Playboy Bunnies...left disapointed... - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Ingvar Angst Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross	Posted - 2011.02.15 17:25:00 - [54] The only thing that could potentially salvage this would be for the character creator to allow bunny ears.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.15 20:48:00 - [55] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson As I was reading this thread, I saw the statement about raising the monthly fee to support the idea. That right there killed the whole idea as far as I'm concerned. R.I.P. Hi. The fee is irrelevant to this thread. It is related to a different issue in http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1462406&page=2#54 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1462406&page=4#107 where we discussed about we being exceptionally lucky to pay 14.99 that is a discounted price if we take a year on year view of inflation over the numbers of years that Eve has been running. This thread assumes CCP already has the fund to provide more services to the playerbase. --------- The making of the new Jenny Spitfire
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.15 20:54:00 - [56] Originally by: Val'Dore So... player piloted NPCs? In a nutshell, yes but only a small part of the idea implies it. It is about CCP providing in-house players to fill in gaps in the Eve. That is when there are no pirates, they become pirates. When there are no anti-pirates in low sec, they become rangers or Concord roaming in low sec. In 0.0, they can become roaming NPC factions to play with 0.0 entities. PlayMates can also provide more events in Eve because it is their job to play the game to bring life to events on a day to day basis. --------- The making of the new Jenny Spitfire
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.15 21:02:00 - [57] Originally by: Eyup Mi'duck Oh Jenny you're SUCH a larf these days. Try joining Eve-uni, or any other corp for that matter. You'll find plenty of 'playmates' there. Eve-uni does not make events like Minmatar uprising and they lead a kill squad into Amarr space to raid or to provide role-playing to bring life as to why they are raiding. Eve-uni also does not fill in the gaps of piracy when there is low piracy activity or be anti-pirates. I believe they also do not cover every areas in Eve because they are based in one area. PlayMates are paid employees and it is their job to make sure all areas of the map are utilised or try to encourage activities there. There can be groups of PlayMates roaming different areas at any time. Originally by: Patient 2428190 Edited by: Patient 2428190 on 15/02/2011 14:28:44 I, too, can't find a single person to play this multiplayer game with so I need CCP to hire somebody to play with me.. By any chance, are you owned by masternerdguy now? I can assure you that I am not MNG. I only started playing Eve about half a year ago. Besides, MNG knows a lot about computers and all the geeky stuff from his posts. I, on the other hand only know banking. I am a banker. I am sure you can see the difference between MNG and me. --------- The making of the new Jenny Spitfire
xVALERIAx Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.15 21:34:00 - [58] i see the OP's point, however i don't personally want them, and would be pretty annoyed if i had to pay extra real money for something i will never use. perhaps those wishing for such a service be taxed ingame and the isk funds the playmates, they would have a new flag(like standing crosses in chat) for players who are/aren't paying the tax and know who not to play with. maybe free subs for the official playmates in lieu of 'a wage' to play.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.15 21:38:00 - [59] Originally by: xVALERIAx i see the OP's point, however i don't personally want them, and would be pretty annoyed if i had to pay extra real money for something i will never use. perhaps those wishing for such a service be taxed ingame and the isk funds the playmates, they would have a new flag(like standing crosses in chat) for players who are/aren't paying the tax and know who not to play with. maybe free subs for the official playmates in lieu of 'a wage' to play. If it is to be done, it can be done with 14.99 membership fee if it attracts more players to the game. More players mean more money so it pays for itself. So you do not need complex system like service tax and flagging to let those who pay benefit from it. PlayMates is for all and it needs to be for everyone to be successful. --------- The making of the new Jenny Spitfire
egegergergsdgedgege	Posted - 2011.02.15 22:31:00 - [60] Im a playmate! \o/

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