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Brynhilda
Amarr Gun Metal Hit Sqaud
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Posted - 2011.02.15 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kerien Shien Edited by: Kerien Shien on 15/02/2011 19:30:25 Few years ago, i faced the same thing. Exept i was flying my first battleship, with expensive meta 4 guns, doing a lvl 4 mission took me about 2 hours..
Then someone warps in, steals from me with a puny frigate!
Well, everyone can guess how that ended. Got ****d so badly i will always remember it, and that was how i learned eve's rule number 1.
After a weeks emoragequit, i managed to swallow my pride and started the game again. Now pvp is actualy fun, and pve is just a nesessary evil. But each time I undock, I still think "can i afford to lose this", if i cant, i dont undock with it. Be it how safe and secure.
My point being, better face the cold, hard, and empty space sooner than later. They actualy have a tutorial mission where you are supposed to die..
I don't think it really teaches you anything...they give you a throwaway frigate that explodes.
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Daphne Q
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Posted - 2011.02.15 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Brynhilda
Originally by: Ingvar Angst
Originally by: Brynhilda I've pirated against n00bs quite a few times and there is no greater joy in learning that n00bs learned from their mistakes and thank me.
You need to be more flexible. Sure, you lost a 30m Battlecruiser but it could be far more worse.
I was talking with someone that was with a corp-mate doing a level 4... he had the npcs fully engaged when his corp-mate turned around and blew him away. Said he lost a 1.5 billion isk ship due to that corp-killing.
I can only imagine other horror stories out there.
I can only wonder why he needed help in a Level 4 mission while piloting a 1.5b ship.
Maybe he didn't need help. Maybe the attacker asked for help to lure him into a trap?
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.02.15 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: Misanth on 15/02/2011 21:48:15 Didn't read the thread, just want to lol over the title. OP make it sound like the solution to noobs is through piracy.
Edit; owkay, read the OP now and it's tad obvious troll. Less amusing title, now. -
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Mighty Dread
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.16 00:18:00 -
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In an effort to add something constructive to this thread.
To the OP: Consider adding a web/scram to your setup. If you find yourself in a situation where you feel you can competently take on the player who is red flagged to you then hopefully you'll be able to hold them in place (web/scram) as you deal out justice as oppose to having them leave and come back to fight you in an equal or better ship than you (note that chances are they'll have the benefit of higher skill points and a superior fitted ship.) Of course they can steal from you in a Battleship armed to the teeth if they wanted to. In that case you are best to run your missions in another locale or during a time when there are less players logged in. Add the thieves to your contact list and give them a low standing (if they are in a Corp or Alliance might as well add them too.) Keep an eye out for when they log in and out. Continue working on your skills, learn all the tactics of pirates/thieves, consider joining a corp for added protection. Finally consider enrolling in EVE University and learn hands on what it takes to survive and prosper in EVE.
Thieves and/or pirates are part of what make EVE interesting. Unfortunately the game mechanics are a little lopsided in their favor. As it stands now any pirate/thief who targets new players enjoys low risk for relatively good rewards. Hopefully in the future the game mechanics will be improved so that new players like yourself don't end up being easy fodder for more seasoned players.
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Doddy
Excidium.
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Posted - 2011.02.16 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Logan Starrange I understand the idea that predators won't care much for complaint.... My disappointment was that the game seems to allow a player to refit ship after starting a fight. If he had not refit to pvp I might have escaped.
Instead it seems he refit and came back at me, salvaged my wreak and set me back 9 days in a high sec starter area.
Not a fun gameplay experience in any MMO.
If the game hadn't kept him red-flagged after he had refit... It would have been a new encounter and he would have had concord to deal with for piracy.
If you are trully a new player and it was trully in a new player area it is not allowed. I suspect you are not a new player though.
Also battlecruiser are terrible for running level 1s.
You can't "outclass by ship type". Even if you were in a bs and he was in a frig he would kill you if you haven't fit your ship right.
No.1 rule in eve is never fly anything you can't afford to loose, so if it trully put you back you broke this rule.
Player swapping ships and coming back is a good mechanic, and is also useful for you (after he killed you you could have got into a pvp fit ship and killed him, etc).
You say he started a fight, but he didn't. You made the choice to fire on a 3 year old char, therefore you put yourself at risk. You should never agress anyone in a pe ship. If him stealing your loot annoyed you you should have gone and got in a frig with a scram and tried to kill him, which would have been more likely and risked less.
Finally i will reiterate that if you trully are a new player (under 1 month) and it was in a new player starter system you should petition, as this is the one instance ccp will actually take your side
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Doddy
Excidium.
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Posted - 2011.02.16 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Buzz Narrenschiff
The way EVE is now works excellent for this harsh, cold world. You lose your cheap frigate and easy to replace t1 gear because you don't know can mechanics....well, now you know them, and the loss isn't a momentous setback.
The problem is that new players don't realise that:
a) bigger ships are not necessarily better, often they are worse (this guy running level 1s in a bc) b) more expensive mods are not actually as much better as the price implies. t1 and low meta will get you through anything a new player might encounter. Sell any good mods you come across to buy skills. c) bigger ships and better mods are both pointless without training support skills d) With insurance losing a t1/low meta fitted cruiser costs practiacally nothing (les than a new player gets day 1 running the career agents - everything should be insured. e) Never fly anything you can't afford to replace post insurance. f) The tutorial/career missions are there for a reason, do them (lots of skills/isk/ships/mods/implants for free).
So they as quickly as possible get into bcs or even bs which they can't afford to lose or equip, which are less efficient for running lvl 1s and 2s or belt ratting, which they don't have the support skills to fit or run properly and which they don't bother insuring. CCP needs to be more clear about all these things in the tutorial etc. They even put in a mission where u suicide a ship but didn't tell you to insure it first!!
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Olleybear
Minmatar I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2011.02.16 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Olleybear on 16/02/2011 01:30:42 Sorry about your loss OP. I can understand where your coming from on you wanting protection because your are new, even though I do not agree with it.
Eve is designed to be a cold, harsh game where the players are free to do pretty much as they please. Its a game with consequences. You learn, or you die because you didn't learn.
Just like in RL with the "noob" homeowners applying for a mortgage and letting the bank scam them with an adjustable rate mortgage when interest rates are low, ones own lack of knowledge about how something works is preyed upon. This happens out in RL all the time.
Because Eve is as harsh as it is, IF you can learn and adapt to it, it can help make you a self reliant person in game and perhaps out of game.
I'm not exactly a fast learner. I still have my share of facepalm moments, even as a 5 or 6 year old player. I've learned to be self reliant and to work inside of the game mechanics regardless. If I can excel in this game, so can you.
Good Luck
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fgft Athonille
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Posted - 2011.02.16 01:56:00 -
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hagilur belts, if you wait long enough and there isn't anybody else in system, you spawn some terrible police drakes and their falcon alts if you wantt to pcratice priarcy on noobs
however, tehy may just shout at you ni local while they stay docked up now. ymmv
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Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
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Posted - 2011.02.16 04:55:00 -
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My rule of thumb is this: if I'm going to pvp, than that is what I do and nothing else. If PvE, than avoid any confrontation however possible... especially since at least one of my ships has no offensive capabilities, only evasion. 15 minute timer is there for a reason, not sure why exactly... ;) but it's there! And as far as pvp goes, screw solo. Hope that helps.
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Largo LaGrande
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Posted - 2011.02.16 05:50:00 -
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Edited by: Largo LaGrande on 16/02/2011 05:51:10
Originally by: Logan Starrange It seems he either refit for PvP or jumped ships and came back, froze me in place and took me apart.
^This
Froze you in place huh?? What he use to do that ? Mobile Large Freeze Ray?
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Chinwe Rhei
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.02.16 06:17:00 -
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To the OP: it's called a "Warp Disruptor", it's a module that you can equip on your ship so that they don't fly off and come back in a PvP fit. You can also use the "Stasis Webifier", the module they used to freeze you in place so you move much slower.
As you can see the devs did think of your situation - both of you could've left and refitted your ship as long as neither had a Warp Disruptor (or the shorter ranged Warp Scrambler) equipped.
Your own suggestion is very misguided as the more experienced players would use it to their advantage.
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Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.16 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Logan Starrange If you were a dev and believed this way. Yes.... I would label you a fool. Any Dev that believes the game should be stacked against new players.....Yes.... I would label them a fool.
Eve isn't stacked against new players, it is stacked against STUPID players. Eve is unforgiving. You pay for your mistakes, and you have to learn from them to survive. Plenty of new players have little-to-no trouble at all with this. Those who refuse to learn from their mistakes, such as yourself, cry a lot in-game and on the forums until eventually they realize Eve just isn't their kind of game and go play something else. Eve is a niche game; it's not meant for everyone. The devs are perfectly fine with this, as are the players. If you don't like it, go play something else.
Quote: A game only survives by replacing and increasing its player base. Make that game un-fun or unfairly stacked against that new player base and the game will die.
Eve has been this way for 8 years and it is doing fine. The player base has been steadily increasing since its release in 2003. You fail to realize that the current players enjoy Eve BECAUSE it is unforgiving. We don't want WoW in space. If you do, go find a new game to play instead of trying to change ours.
Quote: I don't believe the games intention was for players to sit and poach upon new players. I simply state that this is an area in which players do. In fact I believe that the designers would correct it if they knew it made for bad game play.
No, the game mechanics intention is to give the players a choice to fight or not to fight. What you fail to realize is that YOU CHOSE TO FIGHT. The other guy did not fire first, you did. You started a fight and lost. Get over it. Next time you will know not to pick fights with people. ______
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Vandiilo
Gallente Full Metal Jacket LLC
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Posted - 2011.02.16 07:44:00 -
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When someone shows up in my mission, I know for a fact that they want me to fire on them. I simply turn my wrecks blue and ignore them. (I don't loot or salvage anyways) When you get some SP under your belt and a good ship, you'll find that you can make some great income by blitzing missions and that salvaging and looting is for the pooper scoopers.
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Forum Troll Trolling
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Posted - 2011.02.16 08:04:00 -
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welcome to highsec! the place of risk free PVP and ganking for the pirates that abuse mechanics. also, the majority of pirates and PVP players in highsec LIVE to grief new players, for example http://eve-search.com/thread/1465250/page/1#17 also, for future use, dont fly anything bigger than a cruiser for lvl 1 missions, dont fly anything bigger than a battlecruiser for lvl 2 missions. lvl 1 is designed for frigates, lvl 2s are for cruisers, lvl 3s are for battlecruisers, and lvl 4s are for battleships drones are your secondary weapon and are used to kill everything you dont/cant kill with your ship weapons you WILL need this for lvl 3's and up as you will live or die by this website http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=missionreports
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Zora'e
Amarr Nocturnal Dementia
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Posted - 2011.02.16 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: Zora''e on 16/02/2011 09:21:43
Originally by: Doddy
If you are trully a new player and it was trully in a new player area it is not allowed. I suspect you are not a new player though.
Finally i will reiterate that if you trully are a new player (under 1 month) and it was in a new player starter system you should petition, as this is the one instance ccp will actually take your side
Wrong. In New player areas it is not legal to can bait, however it is legal to steal from the new players wrecks and wait for them to click past that warning message that tells them the possible consequences of their action of them shooting at you, before you blow their ship into atoms.
You need to understand CCP's term grief play better before you give out bad advice. -
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My Postman
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Posted - 2011.02.16 10:49:00 -
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As a mission runner you will face the odd ninja, sooner or later. Here a few things you can do, without getting into troubles.
1. When ninja shows up and you have some NPC¦s left, warp out to swap aggro to the ninja. Rinse and repeat.
2. When there are NPC¦s left, shoot one trigger, the additional spawn might aggro the ninja, this comes handy in missions where NPC¦s scramble.
3. When there are no NPC¦s left, start shooting the wrecks to destroy them. If you can¦t have the salvage the ninja should¦nt either.
4. All of the above, don¦t ever talk to the ninja. Never ever. There is only one thing ninjas love more than your salvage, and this is your tears.
This is for more advanced, and can bring you into troubles.
1. Bring an alt in a cloaked ship (i use an arazu) into the encounter. The alt has to be in the same corp as your main.
2. Pray that the ninja starts LOOTING, to come flashy red to you and your alt.
3. Kill the ninja.
4. Now GTFO with your main and your alt and enjoy epic ninja tears in local. Stay docked for at least one hour, there are game mechanics allowing the ninja to extend the aggro timer by shooting your wrecks.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.02.17 09:01:00 -
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This is how most people learn the whole "if someone's in your mission and red, it's a trap" thing.
But, more generally... what made you think that if he escaped after starting combat, he couldn't come back? Even in WoW if you set your pvp flag to on by shooting at someone, they can go grab their pvp gear (or a friend) and come nuke you before. If someone backs their king out of your trap in a game of chess, the rules don't ban you from putting you into check with another piece on the next turn. If mitsurugi rolls away from your kick and dodges you for 30 seconds in soul calibur, the game doesn't prevent him from swapping to iajatsu stance and power-sweeping you in the face.
There's no reason for Eve to lock people out of swapping ships/move sets during a combat flagged period if you let them get away from you (i.e. you don't use a warp suppressor of some kind on them). Literally no other MMO (and few other games) do that, it's in no way a standard idea.
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Fulmar Muse
The Clean Up Crew Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.02.17 11:44:00 -
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happens all the time OP, usually somewhere in that 1st few months, u get hit.. hard....
....... SMASH!!! :D
ull get used to it.. although yer CEO won't, guessing won't read this thread for a while now either... so for the future... HELLO OP!.. LOOK HOW SILLY U LOOKED! :)
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