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Logan Starrange	Posted - 2011.02.15 12:33:00 - [1] OK...so my first cruiser went down in a mission that sent me to a low sec area....I wore that with good grace.... I didn't understand the implications and it set me back a week. I skilled a Battlecruiser and kept running level 1 missions until I could aford the upgrade and stayed in high sec doing missions. Pretty standard learning curve I expect with new players. So I am mission running in my BC in high sec and other players are poaching my kills... I scan one... when he turns red on me.... I outclass him by ship type and fire upon him..... he leaves the encounter area and I continue to farm my zone. It seems he either refit for PvP or jumped ships and came back, froze me in place and took me apart. Now I don't mind the learning curve. But it is not fun for a struggling new player to be deliberately poached upon in high sec areas and lose 9 days progress because someone with 3 years of skills can change out a ship and re-enter the area in pvp mode. If such senior players poach on new players and the gameplay allows it.... Soon there will be no new players....and a fun game will die
Kitty McKitty Gallente Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.02.15 12:41:00 - [2] Don't give them an opportunity to fire on you and you will be fine. Don't take any cans/wrecks that don't belong to you and watch out for them tampering with your cans (think this is fixed or soon to be). Even if they turn red to you don't shoot at them. Don't even respond to them in local because they construe calling them morons for picking on noobs as 'tears'. ~~~
Logan Starrange	Posted - 2011.02.15 12:53:00 - [3] I understand the idea that predators won't care much for complaint.... My disappointment was that the game seems to allow a player to refit ship after starting a fight. If he had not refit to pvp I might have escaped. Instead it seems he refit and came back at me, salvaged my wreak and set me back 9 days in a high sec starter area. Not a fun gameplay experience in any MMO. If the game hadn't kept him red-flagged after he had refit... It would have been a new encounter and he would have had concord to deal with for piracy.
My Postman	Posted - 2011.02.15 13:02:00 - [4] What Kitty said + don¦t do L1¦s in Battlecruisers. L1: Frigs, Destroyers, Assault Frigs, Cruisers. L2: Assault Frigs, Cruisers, Battlecruisers, HAC¦s L3: Battlecruisers, HAC¦s, Battleships. L4: HAC¦s, T3, Battleships, Marauders. Hope this helps.
Chuckles McLaughy	Posted - 2011.02.15 13:07:00 - [5] In EVE, concord is not there to protect you. They are there to deal consequences to certain actions. In EVE, the only one that is there to protect you is yourself. Aggression timers generally run 15 minutes. This means exactly what it implies. For 15 minutes after aggression begins, the parties involved can shoot at one another, change ships and shoot at one another, dock up and taunt one another etc. Once again, you and only you are responsible for your safety. If you shoot at someone after they steal something from you, the fault is yours and yours alone for instituting armed conflict. Basic rules for eve carebears. Don't shoot at a player even if they are red, Don't steal anything from another player (and always make sure the can you put things into, is actually yours and not a flipped can). Anything else, makes you a target. p.s. Oh I forgot, undocking also makes you a target, if someone wants you bad enough (for any, or no reason).
Ildryn	Posted - 2011.02.15 13:11:00 - [6] Originally by: Logan Starrange OK...so my first cruiser went down in a mission that sent me to a low sec area....I wore that with good grace.... I didn't understand the implications and it set me back a week. I skilled a Battlecruiser and kept running level 1 missions until I could aford the upgrade and stayed in high sec doing missions. Pretty standard learning curve I expect with new players. So I am mission running in my BC in high sec and other players are poaching my kills... I scan one... when he turns red on me.... I outclass him by ship type and fire upon him..... he leaves the encounter area and I continue to farm my zone. It seems he either refit for PvP or jumped ships and came back, froze me in place and took me apart. Now I don't mind the learning curve. But it is not fun for a struggling new player to be deliberately poached upon in high sec areas and lose 9 days progress because someone with 3 years of skills can change out a ship and re-enter the area in pvp mode. If such senior players poach on new players and the gameplay allows it.... Soon there will be no new players....and a fun game will die Outclassed him huh? lol You failed rule #1, #2 Never fly what you can't afford to lose/replace. Don't trust anyone to be your idea of fair.
hellsknights Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.02.15 13:57:00 - [7] Simple enough in EvE you never need to engage anything you chose not to. If you dont steal anything or fire upon another character he cant shoot at you unless hes trying to gank you. Learn your lesson and repeat, now thats EvE. YAaAaaaaAaaRRrRrRrrR
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.02.15 13:58:00 - [8] Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 15/02/2011 13:59:51 Am i right you at least 16 days in game ("set me back a week" and "lost 9 day progress")? And you still haven't any ideas about SP clones???? i'm sorry to say it but you seriously need to look around. And at least after 1 death you HAD TO guess "something is wrong" and went reading forums of spam HELP channels.... and please don't cry about lerning curve for new players. Eve lost learning skills (one of strategic parts of this game which i never complained of) because of "new players don't want to spent time to learn, they want to start flying carriers after 1 hour of game"
Bal'Ayle	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:00:00 - [9] outclassing by ship type is a bad way to fight in pvp, you need to learn that bigger guns miss smaller ships so even if he is in a frigate he can completely evade your every attack depending on what you are fitting. as for pvp you engaged him and waited around for him to come back. thats just plain ignorant, how do you know for instance he wasn't coming back in a battleship or a better fit BC? once somone steals from you, there are only three things to do. 1 fight back and kill them 2 destroy everything you dont want stopping them from looting your things 3 leave the area and come back later (not advisable if there are mission specific items as they will be stolen and sold back to you)
Amaya Thorn	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:05:00 - [10] Originally by: Miss Rabblt and please don't cry about lerning curve for new players. Eve lost learning skills (one of strategic parts of this game which i never complained of) because of "new players don't want to spent time to learn, they want to start flying carriers after 1 hour of game" ololol are you being serious?

Brego Tralowski Gallente Outpost 99	Posted - 2011.02.15 15:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Logan Starrange OK...so my first cruiser went down in a mission that sent me to a low sec area....I wore that with good grace.... I didn't understand the implications and it set me back a week. I skilled a Battlecruiser and kept running level 1 missions until I could aford the upgrade and stayed in high sec doing missions. Pretty standard learning curve I expect with new players. So I am mission running in my BC in high sec and other players are poaching my kills... I scan one... when he turns red on me.... I outclass him by ship type and fire upon him..... he leaves the encounter area and I continue to farm my zone. It seems he either refit for PvP or jumped ships and came back, froze me in place and took me apart. Now I don't mind the learning curve. But it is not fun for a struggling new player to be deliberately poached upon in high sec areas and lose 9 days progress because someone with 3 years of skills can change out a ship and re-enter the area in pvp mode. If such senior players poach on new players and the gameplay allows it.... Soon there will be no new players....and a fun game will die Get yourself a clone, with enough SP cover so if you get blown up/podded you don't loose any SP you have been skilling up in the past week. ALWAYS keep your clone updated, they are cheap enough to have . ----------------------------------------------- Swords Horses and Heavy Metal, the only way to fly.
Logan Starrange	Posted - 2011.02.15 15:32:00 - [12] I have seen it on other forums in other games...... Fools trolling to say that someone is crying In fact I made it clear that I lost a ship in a pvp zone by accident and wore it in good grace. My complaint is that people of 3 years experience can patrol a high sec player starter area, start a fight, change to a pvp spec that outmatches the 1 1/2 month old player and rejoin the fight. There is no fairness in that. Any fool that thinks it is just part of the game for a new player to be set back by 20% of their time spent in game by that is simply trolling. My point was that a player should not be able to provoke a fight in a pve spec, run away and change to pvp, then return. It is simply not fun for a player to work so hard for ship and equipment gains to have a 3yr geared player beef up and take it away. Sure....If you have been playing for years and know the tricks....you can get through.... But new players, the lifeblood of any game.....are set back 9 days in reasonable attempts to keep their loot, having a player of 3 years change to a pvp spec after deliberately provoking them to allow for combat. Sorry that us new players don't know all the rules yet. Perhaps if you help us rather than laughing at us you might have a chance at keeping your game alive.
Syndryna	Posted - 2011.02.15 15:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Logan Starrange There is no fairness in that. This is Eve. Everything's fair. Originally by: Logan Starrange Any fool that thinks it is just part of the game for a new player to be set back by 20% of their time spent in game by that is simply trolling. Then you're labeling all the Dev's fools, because this game is specifically designed this way. It means HTFU or GTFO.
Gavjack Bunk Gallente PCG Enterprises Huzzah Federation	Posted - 2011.02.15 15:48:00 - [14] Technical point, noob is not the same as newb. You sounds like you're coping better than most people. Great success so far. At some point in the future you can go back there and protect the newbies if you like.
Logan Starrange	Posted - 2011.02.15 15:52:00 - [15] To those that replied genuinely, I thank you. Much of what you speak of I learned through that encounter. It is the ability to change ship or equpitment in high sec areas that I was bothered by. I am sure I will keep my current ship longer. I am sure that one day I will punish the pirate or those like him. My dismay is that noob players can be preyed upon within the game rules. I feel simply that in high sec, or at least certain systems, a player should be restricted from modifying his ship if he/she is going to return to battle. In low sec areas the idea that "All is fair in love and war" applies.
Syndryna	Posted - 2011.02.15 15:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Logan Starrange My dismay is that noob players can be preyed upon within the game rules. I feel simply that in high sec, or at least certain systems, a player should be restricted from modifying his ship if he/she is going to return to battle. In low sec areas the idea that "All is fair in love and war" applies. Truly this would be an awful idea. Every time you undock you're not safe. Remember that always and you'll stop losing ships.
Logan Starrange	Posted - 2011.02.15 16:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Syndryna Originally by: Logan Starrange There is no fairness in that. This is Eve. Everything's fair. Originally by: Logan Starrange Any fool that thinks it is just part of the game for a new player to be set back by 20% of their time spent in game by that is simply trolling. Then you're labeling all the Dev's fools, because this game is specifically designed this way. It means HTFU or GTFO. If you were a dev and believed this way. Yes.... I would label you a fool. Any Dev that believes the game should be stacked against new players.....Yes.... I would label them a fool. A game only survives by replacing and increasing its player base. Make that game un-fun or unfairly stacked against that new player base and the game will die. I don't believe the games intention was for players to sit and poach upon new players. I simply state that this is an area in which players do. In fact I believe that the designers would correct it if they knew it made for bad game play. But YES.... I label you a FOOL. ...Have a nice day:P
Enik3 High Flyers RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.02.15 16:11:00 - [18] As you've learned, there are people in Eve that like to prey on other people's mistakes. Not everyone would be content with that game play, but it's a dynamic environment and to each his own. The fact is that PVP is almost completely avoidable in highsec. If you get can-flipped or someone ninja salvages your loot, and you don't want to risk your ship, then just swallow your pride and go about your business. If you fire on that person then you'd best be prepared to lose. And for every noob that rage quits there are nine others that are fascinated by the challenge. I don't think Eve's subscription numbers are at risk.
Mighty Dread Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.15 16:24:00 - [19] I certainly understand your frustration. In essence it's a situation where the only person who stands to lose is you the new player. So it's either accept being robbed or accept being robbed and blown up. The advice under current mechanics will be to choose the former. However that doesn't mean the game mechanics are fair to the new player. It seems to insinuate that new players are just there to be fodder for the more experienced ones. Simple fix would be to not allow aggroed thief to dock or otherwise change ships during countdown aggression timer. That way there is no steal in small ship and return once aggroed in larger more powerful ship.
Syndryna	Posted - 2011.02.15 16:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Logan Starrange If you were a dev and believed this way. Yes.... I would label you a fool. Any Dev that believes the game should be stacked against new players.....Yes.... I would label them a fool. A game only survives by replacing and increasing its player base. Make that game un-fun or unfairly stacked against that new player base and the game will die. I don't believe the games intention was for players to sit and poach upon new players. I simply state that this is an area in which players do. In fact I believe that the designers would correct it if they knew it made for bad game play. But YES.... I label you a FOOL. ...Have a nice day:P Then you're just another noob idiot. This is specifically the way the game is designed. On purpose. Feel free to go look at Dev posts if you disbelieve. This isn't Hello Kitty Online. Go back to it if you can't handle the game. But this game has survived for several years already and is as strong as ever. So essentially you have 2 choices. Go back to HKO, or HTFU and stop whining on the forums.

War Kitten	Posted - 2011.02.15 16:41:00 - [21] Sorry, but all of Eve is a "pvp zone". There are no safe areas, there are just some areas with more consequences than others. Also, you started the fight, not the other guy. He only gave you an invitation that you readily accepted when he stole from your wrecks. Had you ignored him, you would still have your ship. Pro-tip for any pvp game: Read up on all the rules and mechanics before you engage in it. Otherwise you just learn the hard way. And yeah, the game is not noob-friendly. It rewards intelligence, research and thought. Welcome to Eve.
Buzz Narrenschiff	Posted - 2011.02.15 16:59:00 - [22] Edited by: Buzz Narrenschiff on 15/02/2011 17:03:05 Here's the problem with "noob protection" measures. They wear off. Lets say we have these nice strict coded in rules for...only the noob systems. No canflipping, no combat, no evil bad guys, etc. Eventually, you will class yourself "out" of noobzone protection, by whatever metric CCP uses to decide. Now, you're in the big evil EVE world, AND you have bad habits you for from living in noob protection land. Add into that, since you've accumulated some sort of wealth and assets in Noobland, your first "hit" will be that much more painful. The way EVE is now works excellent for this harsh, cold world. You lose your cheap frigate and easy to replace t1 gear because you don't know can mechanics....well, now you know them, and the loss isn't a momentous setback. Now, you lose a half-faction fit BC you saved for in the hypothetical "safe noobland" for the same reasons... ps: get this whole "PvP spec" thinking out of your head. That's WoW talk. The only thing approaching "spec" in EVE is your training plan. Jumping in a new ship is not changing spec.
Brynhilda Amarr Gun Metal Hit Sqaud	Posted - 2011.02.15 17:02:00 - [23] I've pirated against n00bs quite a few times and there is no greater joy in learning that n00bs learned from their mistakes and thank me. You need to be more flexible. Sure, you lost a 30m Battlecruiser but it could be far more worse.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross	Posted - 2011.02.15 17:14:00 - [24] Originally by: Brynhilda I've pirated against n00bs quite a few times and there is no greater joy in learning that n00bs learned from their mistakes and thank me. You need to be more flexible. Sure, you lost a 30m Battlecruiser but it could be far more worse. I was talking with someone that was with a corp-mate doing a level 4... he had the npcs fully engaged when his corp-mate turned around and blew him away. Said he lost a 1.5 billion isk ship due to that corp-killing. I can only imagine other horror stories out there.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.02.15 17:40:00 - [25] Check this article out: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Criminal_Flagging_System You will get a better understanding of how the mechanics of being able to shoot people in highsec works, probably help you stay out of messy situations later. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Syndryna	Posted - 2011.02.15 18:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Ingvar Angst Originally by: Brynhilda I've pirated against n00bs quite a few times and there is no greater joy in learning that n00bs learned from their mistakes and thank me. You need to be more flexible. Sure, you lost a 30m Battlecruiser but it could be far more worse. I was talking with someone that was with a corp-mate doing a level 4... he had the npcs fully engaged when his corp-mate turned around and blew him away. Said he lost a 1.5 billion isk ship due to that corp-killing. I can only imagine other horror stories out there. Might want a better corp recruiting process then.
BKM Industries Mercenaries 4 Hire Not Another Scary Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.15 18:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Logan Starrange I understand the idea that predators won't care much for complaint.... My disappointment was that the game seems to allow a player to refit ship after starting a fight. If he had not refit to pvp I might have escaped. Instead it seems he refit and came back at me, salvaged my wreak and set me back 9 days in a high sec starter area. Not a fun gameplay experience in any MMO. If the game hadn't kept him red-flagged after he had refit... It would have been a new encounter and he would have had concord to deal with for piracy. Once you shoot at him he had 15min to attack you. Seeing you let him get away you should have either docked and waited out the timer or expect a fit. On a side note never use a pve ship for pvp. I love it when people come into my L4's when I do them I just go change ship and track them down. Granted they all run like hell when they see I reshiped. ~ 3rd party service
Borun Tal Minmatar Space Pods Inc	Posted - 2011.02.15 19:04:00 - [28] So you learned the hard way. Suck it up and don't make the same mistakes again.
Brynhilda Amarr Gun Metal Hit Sqaud	Posted - 2011.02.15 19:20:00 - [29] Originally by: Ingvar Angst Originally by: Brynhilda I've pirated against n00bs quite a few times and there is no greater joy in learning that n00bs learned from their mistakes and thank me. You need to be more flexible. Sure, you lost a 30m Battlecruiser but it could be far more worse. I was talking with someone that was with a corp-mate doing a level 4... he had the npcs fully engaged when his corp-mate turned around and blew him away. Said he lost a 1.5 billion isk ship due to that corp-killing. I can only imagine other horror stories out there. I can only wonder why he needed help in a Level 4 mission while piloting a 1.5b ship.
Kerien Shien	Posted - 2011.02.15 19:28:00 - [30] Edited by: Kerien Shien on 15/02/2011 19:30:25 Few years ago, i faced the same thing. Exept i was flying my first battleship, with expensive meta 4 guns, doing a lvl 4 mission took me about 2 hours.. Then someone warps in, steals from me with a puny frigate! Well, everyone can guess how that ended. Got ****d so badly i will always remember it, and that was how i learned eve's rule number 1. After a weeks emoragequit, i managed to swallow my pride and started the game again. Now pvp is actualy fun, and pve is just a nesessary evil. But each time I undock, I still think "can i afford to lose this", if i cant, i dont undock with it. Be it how safe and secure. My point being, better face the cold, hard, and empty space sooner than later. They actualy have a tutorial mission where you are supposed to die..

Brynhilda Amarr Gun Metal Hit Sqaud	Posted - 2011.02.15 19:39:00 - [31] Originally by: Kerien Shien Edited by: Kerien Shien on 15/02/2011 19:30:25 Few years ago, i faced the same thing. Exept i was flying my first battleship, with expensive meta 4 guns, doing a lvl 4 mission took me about 2 hours.. Then someone warps in, steals from me with a puny frigate! Well, everyone can guess how that ended. Got ****d so badly i will always remember it, and that was how i learned eve's rule number 1. After a weeks emoragequit, i managed to swallow my pride and started the game again. Now pvp is actualy fun, and pve is just a nesessary evil. But each time I undock, I still think "can i afford to lose this", if i cant, i dont undock with it. Be it how safe and secure. My point being, better face the cold, hard, and empty space sooner than later. They actualy have a tutorial mission where you are supposed to die.. I don't think it really teaches you anything...they give you a throwaway frigate that explodes.
Daphne Q	Posted - 2011.02.15 19:58:00 - [32] Originally by: Brynhilda Originally by: Ingvar Angst Originally by: Brynhilda I've pirated against n00bs quite a few times and there is no greater joy in learning that n00bs learned from their mistakes and thank me. You need to be more flexible. Sure, you lost a 30m Battlecruiser but it could be far more worse. I was talking with someone that was with a corp-mate doing a level 4... he had the npcs fully engaged when his corp-mate turned around and blew him away. Said he lost a 1.5 billion isk ship due to that corp-killing. I can only imagine other horror stories out there. I can only wonder why he needed help in a Level 4 mission while piloting a 1.5b ship. Maybe he didn't need help. Maybe the attacker asked for help to lure him into a trap?
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.02.15 21:46:00 - [33] Edited by: Misanth on 15/02/2011 21:48:15 Didn't read the thread, just want to lol over the title. OP make it sound like the solution to noobs is through piracy. Edit; owkay, read the OP now and it's tad obvious troll. Less amusing title, now. -
Mighty Dread Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.16 00:18:00 - [34] In an effort to add something constructive to this thread. To the OP: Consider adding a web/scram to your setup. If you find yourself in a situation where you feel you can competently take on the player who is red flagged to you then hopefully you'll be able to hold them in place (web/scram) as you deal out justice as oppose to having them leave and come back to fight you in an equal or better ship than you (note that chances are they'll have the benefit of higher skill points and a superior fitted ship.) Of course they can steal from you in a Battleship armed to the teeth if they wanted to. In that case you are best to run your missions in another locale or during a time when there are less players logged in. Add the thieves to your contact list and give them a low standing (if they are in a Corp or Alliance might as well add them too.) Keep an eye out for when they log in and out. Continue working on your skills, learn all the tactics of pirates/thieves, consider joining a corp for added protection. Finally consider enrolling in EVE University and learn hands on what it takes to survive and prosper in EVE. Thieves and/or pirates are part of what make EVE interesting. Unfortunately the game mechanics are a little lopsided in their favor. As it stands now any pirate/thief who targets new players enjoys low risk for relatively good rewards. Hopefully in the future the game mechanics will be improved so that new players like yourself don't end up being easy fodder for more seasoned players.
Doddy Excidium.	Posted - 2011.02.16 00:31:00 - [35] Originally by: Logan Starrange I understand the idea that predators won't care much for complaint.... My disappointment was that the game seems to allow a player to refit ship after starting a fight. If he had not refit to pvp I might have escaped. Instead it seems he refit and came back at me, salvaged my wreak and set me back 9 days in a high sec starter area. Not a fun gameplay experience in any MMO. If the game hadn't kept him red-flagged after he had refit... It would have been a new encounter and he would have had concord to deal with for piracy. If you are trully a new player and it was trully in a new player area it is not allowed. I suspect you are not a new player though. Also battlecruiser are terrible for running level 1s. You can't "outclass by ship type". Even if you were in a bs and he was in a frig he would kill you if you haven't fit your ship right. No.1 rule in eve is never fly anything you can't afford to loose, so if it trully put you back you broke this rule. Player swapping ships and coming back is a good mechanic, and is also useful for you (after he killed you you could have got into a pvp fit ship and killed him, etc). You say he started a fight, but he didn't. You made the choice to fire on a 3 year old char, therefore you put yourself at risk. You should never agress anyone in a pe ship. If him stealing your loot annoyed you you should have gone and got in a frig with a scram and tried to kill him, which would have been more likely and risked less. Finally i will reiterate that if you trully are a new player (under 1 month) and it was in a new player starter system you should petition, as this is the one instance ccp will actually take your side
Doddy Excidium.	Posted - 2011.02.16 00:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Buzz Narrenschiff The way EVE is now works excellent for this harsh, cold world. You lose your cheap frigate and easy to replace t1 gear because you don't know can mechanics....well, now you know them, and the loss isn't a momentous setback. The problem is that new players don't realise that: a) bigger ships are not necessarily better, often they are worse (this guy running level 1s in a bc) b) more expensive mods are not actually as much better as the price implies. t1 and low meta will get you through anything a new player might encounter. Sell any good mods you come across to buy skills. c) bigger ships and better mods are both pointless without training support skills d) With insurance losing a t1/low meta fitted cruiser costs practiacally nothing (les than a new player gets day 1 running the career agents - everything should be insured. e) Never fly anything you can't afford to replace post insurance. f) The tutorial/career missions are there for a reason, do them (lots of skills/isk/ships/mods/implants for free). So they as quickly as possible get into bcs or even bs which they can't afford to lose or equip, which are less efficient for running lvl 1s and 2s or belt ratting, which they don't have the support skills to fit or run properly and which they don't bother insuring. CCP needs to be more clear about all these things in the tutorial etc. They even put in a mission where u suicide a ship but didn't tell you to insure it first!!
Olleybear Minmatar I R' Carebear	Posted - 2011.02.16 01:20:00 - [37] Edited by: Olleybear on 16/02/2011 01:30:42 Sorry about your loss OP. I can understand where your coming from on you wanting protection because your are new, even though I do not agree with it. Eve is designed to be a cold, harsh game where the players are free to do pretty much as they please. Its a game with consequences. You learn, or you die because you didn't learn. Just like in RL with the "noob" homeowners applying for a mortgage and letting the bank scam them with an adjustable rate mortgage when interest rates are low, ones own lack of knowledge about how something works is preyed upon. This happens out in RL all the time. Because Eve is as harsh as it is, IF you can learn and adapt to it, it can help make you a self reliant person in game and perhaps out of game. I'm not exactly a fast learner. I still have my share of facepalm moments, even as a 5 or 6 year old player. I've learned to be self reliant and to work inside of the game mechanics regardless. If I can excel in this game, so can you. Good Luck
fgft Athonille	Posted - 2011.02.16 01:56:00 - [38] hagilur belts, if you wait long enough and there isn't anybody else in system, you spawn some terrible police drakes and their falcon alts if you wantt to pcratice priarcy on noobs however, tehy may just shout at you ni local while they stay docked up now. ymmv
Omega Sunset Caldari Roughnecks	Posted - 2011.02.16 04:55:00 - [39] My rule of thumb is this: if I'm going to pvp, than that is what I do and nothing else. If PvE, than avoid any confrontation however possible... especially since at least one of my ships has no offensive capabilities, only evasion. 15 minute timer is there for a reason, not sure why exactly... ;) but it's there! And as far as pvp goes, screw solo. Hope that helps. Pilot's Journal
Largo LaGrande	Posted - 2011.02.16 05:50:00 - [40] Edited by: Largo LaGrande on 16/02/2011 05:51:10 Originally by: Logan Starrange It seems he either refit for PvP or jumped ships and came back, froze me in place and took me apart. ^This Froze you in place huh?? What he use to do that ? Mobile Large Freeze Ray?

Chinwe Rhei Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.02.16 06:17:00 - [41] To the OP: it's called a "Warp Disruptor", it's a module that you can equip on your ship so that they don't fly off and come back in a PvP fit. You can also use the "Stasis Webifier", the module they used to freeze you in place so you move much slower. As you can see the devs did think of your situation - both of you could've left and refitted your ship as long as neither had a Warp Disruptor (or the shorter ranged Warp Scrambler) equipped. Your own suggestion is very misguided as the more experienced players would use it to their advantage.
Brusanan Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2011.02.16 07:13:00 - [42] Originally by: Logan Starrange If you were a dev and believed this way. Yes.... I would label you a fool. Any Dev that believes the game should be stacked against new players.....Yes.... I would label them a fool. Eve isn't stacked against new players, it is stacked against STUPID players. Eve is unforgiving. You pay for your mistakes, and you have to learn from them to survive. Plenty of new players have little-to-no trouble at all with this. Those who refuse to learn from their mistakes, such as yourself, cry a lot in-game and on the forums until eventually they realize Eve just isn't their kind of game and go play something else. Eve is a niche game; it's not meant for everyone. The devs are perfectly fine with this, as are the players. If you don't like it, go play something else. Quote: A game only survives by replacing and increasing its player base. Make that game un-fun or unfairly stacked against that new player base and the game will die. Eve has been this way for 8 years and it is doing fine. The player base has been steadily increasing since its release in 2003. You fail to realize that the current players enjoy Eve BECAUSE it is unforgiving. We don't want WoW in space. If you do, go find a new game to play instead of trying to change ours. Quote: I don't believe the games intention was for players to sit and poach upon new players. I simply state that this is an area in which players do. In fact I believe that the designers would correct it if they knew it made for bad game play. No, the game mechanics intention is to give the players a choice to fight or not to fight. What you fail to realize is that YOU CHOSE TO FIGHT. The other guy did not fire first, you did. You started a fight and lost. Get over it. Next time you will know not to pick fights with people. ______
Vandiilo Gallente Full Metal Jacket LLC	Posted - 2011.02.16 07:44:00 - [43] When someone shows up in my mission, I know for a fact that they want me to fire on them. I simply turn my wrecks blue and ignore them. (I don't loot or salvage anyways) When you get some SP under your belt and a good ship, you'll find that you can make some great income by blitzing missions and that salvaging and looting is for the pooper scoopers.
Forum Troll Trolling	Posted - 2011.02.16 08:04:00 - [44] welcome to highsec! the place of risk free PVP and ganking for the pirates that abuse mechanics. also, the majority of pirates and PVP players in highsec LIVE to grief new players, for example http://eve-search.com/thread/1465250/page/1#17 also, for future use, dont fly anything bigger than a cruiser for lvl 1 missions, dont fly anything bigger than a battlecruiser for lvl 2 missions. lvl 1 is designed for frigates, lvl 2s are for cruisers, lvl 3s are for battlecruisers, and lvl 4s are for battleships drones are your secondary weapon and are used to kill everything you dont/cant kill with your ship weapons you WILL need this for lvl 3's and up as you will live or die by this website http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=missionreports
Zora'e Amarr Nocturnal Dementia	Posted - 2011.02.16 09:14:00 - [45] Edited by: Zora''e on 16/02/2011 09:21:43 Originally by: Doddy If you are trully a new player and it was trully in a new player area it is not allowed. I suspect you are not a new player though. Finally i will reiterate that if you trully are a new player (under 1 month) and it was in a new player starter system you should petition, as this is the one instance ccp will actually take your side Wrong. In New player areas it is not legal to can bait, however it is legal to steal from the new players wrecks and wait for them to click past that warning message that tells them the possible consequences of their action of them shooting at you, before you blow their ship into atoms. You need to understand CCP's term grief play better before you give out bad advice. -
My Postman	Posted - 2011.02.16 10:49:00 - [46] As a mission runner you will face the odd ninja, sooner or later. Here a few things you can do, without getting into troubles. 1. When ninja shows up and you have some NPC¦s left, warp out to swap aggro to the ninja. Rinse and repeat. 2. When there are NPC¦s left, shoot one trigger, the additional spawn might aggro the ninja, this comes handy in missions where NPC¦s scramble. 3. When there are no NPC¦s left, start shooting the wrecks to destroy them. If you can¦t have the salvage the ninja should¦nt either. 4. All of the above, don¦t ever talk to the ninja. Never ever. There is only one thing ninjas love more than your salvage, and this is your tears. This is for more advanced, and can bring you into troubles. 1. Bring an alt in a cloaked ship (i use an arazu) into the encounter. The alt has to be in the same corp as your main. 2. Pray that the ninja starts LOOTING, to come flashy red to you and your alt. 3. Kill the ninja. 4. Now GTFO with your main and your alt and enjoy epic ninja tears in local. Stay docked for at least one hour, there are game mechanics allowing the ninja to extend the aggro timer by shooting your wrecks.
Lost Greybeard	Posted - 2011.02.17 09:01:00 - [47] This is how most people learn the whole "if someone's in your mission and red, it's a trap" thing. But, more generally... what made you think that if he escaped after starting combat, he couldn't come back? Even in WoW if you set your pvp flag to on by shooting at someone, they can go grab their pvp gear (or a friend) and come nuke you before. If someone backs their king out of your trap in a game of chess, the rules don't ban you from putting you into check with another piece on the next turn. If mitsurugi rolls away from your kick and dodges you for 30 seconds in soul calibur, the game doesn't prevent him from swapping to iajatsu stance and power-sweeping you in the face. There's no reason for Eve to lock people out of swapping ships/move sets during a combat flagged period if you let them get away from you (i.e. you don't use a warp suppressor of some kind on them). Literally no other MMO (and few other games) do that, it's in no way a standard idea. (Guild Wars is not an MMO.) --- If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous
Fulmar Muse The Clean Up Crew Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.02.17 11:44:00 - [48] happens all the time OP, usually somewhere in that 1st few months, u get hit.. hard.... ....... SMASH!!! :D ull get used to it.. although yer CEO won't, guessing won't read this thread for a while now either... so for the future... HELLO OP!.. LOOK HOW SILLY U LOOKED! :) Drinking your reading, yum :)


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