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Airu Naari The Noxious	Posted - 2011.02.15 18:57:00 - [1] I'm sure someone's already encountered one since the patch! :D Anxious to find out how much dps they tank and dish out etc.
Aessoroz Nohbdy.	Posted - 2011.02.15 18:58:00 - [2] Probably gave em sleeper AI and resists
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.02.15 19:04:00 - [3] I wish they'd pod you ... well not YOU, but maybe you if you got popped. If you need to douche, please do it at home.
Airu Naari The Noxious	Posted - 2011.02.15 19:07:00 - [4] Originally by: Apollo Gabriel I wish they'd pod you ... well not YOU, but maybe you if you got popped. :) Don't think NPCs will ever pod, but you never know!
Palovana Caldari Inner Fire Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.15 19:13:00 - [5] Originally by: Airu Naari I'm sure someone's already encountered one since the patch! :D Anxious to find out how much dps they tank and dish out etc. My guess is enough so that the rat-bots can't solo 'em, a good change if you ask me.
Ephemeron BeerTia Maniacs	Posted - 2011.02.15 19:28:00 - [6] would be nice if they added warp scrambling and changed damage types. Then 100s of Tengu farmers could die in their first encounters. I'll try find an officer this week
Elzon1 Caldari Shadow Boys Corp White Angels.	Posted - 2011.02.15 20:05:00 - [7] Edited by: Elzon1 on 15/02/2011 20:06:04 It would be nice if faction spawns got a boost as well since they occur fairly often and typically have a much higher value than regular spawns. As it stands now faction spawns simply mean moar money without much of an increased difficulty. I should need a logistics ship to rep me in my maelstrom when I encounter one of these spawns. This should be especially true of officer spawns I don't know where, I don't know when... but something awful is going to happen xD
Gaius BaItar Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.02.15 20:19:00 - [8] Just found one in my tengu. I hardly scratched his shields with fury heavy missiles. Damage received was bad enough that I had to warp out. I changed ships, back in a golem. Slowly, I finally got him, but had to warp out once and wait for my shields to boost back up. That's how hard they are now.
Kiandoshia	Posted - 2011.02.15 20:24:00 - [9] Makes sense, seeing as they are supposed to be capsuleers too..
Captain Brickwalle	Posted - 2011.02.15 20:31:00 - [10] CCP said they adjusted difficulty to reflect prices, but this will only make them more expensive.

Jireel	Posted - 2011.02.15 20:33:00 - [11] Edited by: Jireel on 15/02/2011 20:34:07 I'm disappointed, I thought they'd make them only fleet-doable Damn, they should have at least the same characteristics as a faction BS with a full fit of their own modules.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.02.15 20:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Gaius BaItar Just found one in my tengu. I hardly scratched his shields with fury heavy missiles. Damage received was bad enough that I had to warp out. I changed ships, back in a golem. Slowly, I finally got him, but had to warp out once and wait for my shields to boost back up. That's how hard they are now. Screenshots, please. Your story doesn't really sound believable. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Imiarr Timshae Caldari Funny Men In Funny Hats	Posted - 2011.02.15 20:43:00 - [13] Rabble rabble? I can no longer kill a 32m BS which drops 2bil + mods in a Rupture? Sounds legit. ----- Originally by: GM Horse Remember kids, both meth and macro use are Really Quite Bad Things. Originally by: CCP Shadow Tragic smelting accidents.
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.02.15 20:53:00 - [14] The true shocker (one in the stink and two in the pink, you know) here is that solo ratters might have to bat phone a friend or alt in a logi or other RR ship. This tragedy where solo, post-DT ninja ratters might not be able to scoop up all the officer and faction loot is of epic proportions. People will write sonnets, plays and lament the passing of an era of easy ISK.
Airu Naari The Noxious	Posted - 2011.02.15 20:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara The true shocker (one in the stink and two in the pink, you know) here is that solo ratters might have to bat phone a friend or alt in a logi or other RR ship. This tragedy where solo, post-DT ninja ratters might not be able to scoop up all the officer and faction loot is of epic proportions. People will write sonnets, plays and lament the passing of an era of easy ISK. The passing of an era of easy ISK that I never was a part of :D Ah well! No sonnet from me, but a sigh and a cup of 'man the fk up' :S I guess...
Lt Angus Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.02.15 21:47:00 - [16] took me 3 years to find 1 and they want to make it harder How I'd Fix Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Magnus Orin Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.02.15 22:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Lt Angus took me 3 years to find 1 and they want to make it harder How do these changes in anyway make it harder to find officers? If anything it will make it easier to find them as less people will be able to kill them, or kill them solo. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you.
Jamaican Herbsman I Love You Mary Jane	Posted - 2011.02.15 22:35:00 - [18] Originally by: Lt Angus took me 3 years to find 1 and they want to make it harder Don't feel bad. Many pilots, including me, haven't found even one officer spawn. And I've ratted (not chaining) like +2 hours a day in -1.0 truesec system for months. The system was usually empty thanks to my timezone, so there were no competition either. My dear corpmate however has had like 4. All he has to do is to warp to a belt. I may sound bitter but that's because I am.
Airu Naari The Noxious	Posted - 2011.02.16 02:06:00 - [19] Originally by: Magnus Orin Originally by: Lt Angus took me 3 years to find 1 and they want to make it harder How do these changes in anyway make it harder to find officers? If anything it will make it easier to find them as less people will be able to kill them, or kill them solo. I'm sure the overall experience will be harder.. that was the point maybe. Occupants of certain nullsec regions won't have a problem bringing their logi alt to help or whatever is necessary, I am sure. However, they are still (according to the Golem pilot that posted earlier) soloable.
Ephemeron BeerTia Maniacs	Posted - 2011.02.16 02:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Gaius BaItar Just found one in my tengu. I hardly scratched his shields with fury heavy missiles. Damage received was bad enough that I had to warp out. I changed ships, back in a golem. Slowly, I finally got him, but had to warp out once and wait for my shields to boost back up. That's how hard they are now. God dammit, no warp scrambling on new officers. CCP wimped out again. That could have been a dead Tengu. It could have been 100s of dead Tengus

Ephemeron BeerTia Maniacs	Posted - 2011.02.16 02:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Jireel Edited by: Jireel on 15/02/2011 20:34:07 I'm disappointed, I thought they'd make them only fleet-doable Damn, they should have at least the same characteristics as a faction BS with a full fit of their own modules. Actually that would be a bad idea, as it would only solidify 0.0 alliance control over their territory. It would discourage small scale, encourage blobbing. Ratting in 0.0 is one of the few things that small independent entities can do against local alliance wishes. Of course if it's too easy, then even the bots can do it, which is bad. So there needs to be a balance of difficulty, the new difficulty seems ok.
Salmeria Tovarsky Pharmaceuticals	Posted - 2011.02.16 02:51:00 - [22] Found a kaikka spawn and it was tanking two ishtars and a maelstrom with ease. Dropped some ok loot but nothing really that great.
Kitty McKitty Gallente Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.02.16 03:45:00 - [23] You can still solo them. ~~~
Internet White Knight	Posted - 2011.02.16 03:52:00 - [24] Funny how nobody's willing to back up their statements with anything remotely resembling proof. I'm inclined to agree with kitty's guess, but solo them with what is the question?
Professor Villinghopper	Posted - 2011.02.16 04:24:00 - [25] Dropped a Lev on one earlier, died as soon as I locked it, still seems pretty easy to me.
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.02.16 05:05:00 - [26] Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 16/02/2011 05:05:56 Originally by: Gaius BaItar Just found one in my tengu. I hardly scratched his shields with fury heavy missiles. Damage received was bad enough that I had to warp out. I changed ships, back in a golem. Slowly, I finally got him, but had to warp out once and wait for my shields to boost back up. That's how hard they are now. More time consuming != more difficult Until they add tackle to officer spawns, this is no more risky/difficult than a lvl 1 mish. Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2011.02.16 05:26:00 - [27] If officers are supposed to be pod pilots as well I want to see CCP piloting said officers in ships that would be set up for PVP with all of their mods they drop available and when you kill one you get a KM and their ship follows normal PVP drop rates. Also now that we have incursions officers should pop in high sec and low sec, take a small fleet to drop and warp out if you are not pointing them when they get to low health. Why should the leaders of pirate factions be easy to drop? SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN
Kitty McKitty Gallente Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.02.16 06:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Schalac If officers are supposed to be pod pilots as well I want to see CCP piloting said officers in ships that would be set up for PVP with all of their mods they drop available and when you kill one you get a KM and their ship follows normal PVP drop rates. Also now that we have incursions officers should pop in high sec and low sec, take a small fleet to drop and warp out if you are not pointing them when they get to low health. Why should the leaders of pirate factions be easy to drop? Maybe you should challenge them all to a 1v1? ~~~
m3rb3aSt Minmatar Tovarsky Pharmaceuticals Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.16 06:15:00 - [29] Edited by: m3rb3aSt on 16/02/2011 06:26:27 Edited by: m3rb3aSt on 16/02/2011 06:24:11 No actual player can fit a ship that tanks like an officer. We have a raven, tengu, two ishtars, and a drake shooting it and we are barely scratching its shields. And this is for a kaikka spawn which is one of the weakest ones. They went from being about as tough as a 1.85m sp BS to being tough enough to warrent dropping a carrier on them.
Aessoroz Nohbdy.	Posted - 2011.02.16 07:12:00 - [30] Edited by: Aessoroz on 16/02/2011 07:13:05 Edited by: Aessoroz on 16/02/2011 07:12:04 Originally by: m3rb3aSt Edited by: m3rb3aSt on 16/02/2011 06:26:27 Edited by: m3rb3aSt on 16/02/2011 06:24:11 No actual player can fit a ship that tanks like an officer. We have a raven, tengu, two ishtars, and a drake shooting it and we are barely scratching its shields. And this is for a kaikka spawn which is one of the weakest ones. They went from being about as tough as a 1.85m sp BS to being tough enough to warrent dropping a carrier on them. Gotta discourage them bots somehow. Would be hilarious to see the spawn rate of officiers increase >:) Also give them long points.

CheekyBitOnTheSide	Posted - 2011.02.16 07:22:00 - [31] Edited by: CheekyBitOnTheSide on 16/02/2011 07:22:50 Now I want to find one :P. However are they as tough as the ones in complexes? such as Terrorist Overlord Inzi Kika If you've ever had a chance to fight one the results are not pretty alot of the times you have to go and bump them to slow them down as most of the ewar they (and officers) are immune to however I've never tried to neut them, then again neut work on supercaps so maybe. Personally I welcome the new change and think they should as someone said above apply it to all faction spawns and while they are at it fix the dam loot tables. Getting 1000 faction iron charges and a tag is getting old fast. edit Also it'll cut down on marco ratters pretty quick (unless they are in the drone regions no faction spawns there)
ButteSauce	Posted - 2011.02.16 07:34:00 - [32] the problem is that all the macros will just ignore any belt with an officer and then alert the bot owner that its there so they can go back with a few ships and kill it. it wont do anything to stop bots... unless you give em a point!
James Tiberius Kirk	Posted - 2011.02.16 07:35:00 - [33] CCP, sleeper AI and stats on ALL rats please.
Ganthrithor Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.16 09:42:00 - [34] Edited by: Ganthrithor on 16/02/2011 09:43:54 Originally by: James Tiberius Kirk CCP, sleeper AI and stats on ALL rats please. Gallente players get out, amirite? e: also its gonna be p funny when you find an officer but then the spawn warps out in the time it takes you to round up the four other people necessary to kill it. What a stupid change, officers should be soloable by a well-fit BS / T3. Belt ratting is not a group activity.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.02.16 09:53:00 - [35] Originally by: Ephemeron God dammit, no warp scrambling on new officers. CCP wimped out again. That could have been a dead Tengu. It could have been 100s of dead Tengus Originally by: Ephemeron Ratting in 0.0 is one of the few things that small independent entities can do against local alliance wishes. Of course if it's too easy, then even the bots can do it, which is bad. So there needs to be a balance of difficulty, the new difficulty seems ok. That. -
S'totan Minmatar Chicks on Speed Warped Aggression	Posted - 2011.02.16 11:21:00 - [36] In 4+ years of 0.0 playing I have yet to find an officer spawn. Here's to hoping that when I do I might actually be able to kill it.
Tennin Sylph	Posted - 2011.02.16 11:31:00 - [37] Originally by: S'totan In 4+ years of 0.0 playing I have yet to find an officer spawn. Here's to hoping that when I do I might actually be able to kill it. Hope you've got a supercap ready to drop on it when you find one.
monkfish1234 Caldari Attempted Ninjury 0ccupational Hazzard	Posted - 2011.02.16 12:27:00 - [38] officer rats are still pretty easy as long as your in a ship that can tank triple bs from belts. I killed kaikka in a myrm a few days ago, bigger issue was having the dps to kill it rather than tanking it's damage, but 5 hammerhead 2's got me there in the end. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels.StevieSG
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.02.16 12:53:00 - [39] Originally by: monkfish1234 officer rats are still pretty easy as long as your in a ship that can tank triple bs from belts. I killed kaikka in a myrm a few days ago, bigger issue was having the dps to kill it rather than tanking it's damage, but 5 hammerhead 2's got me there in the end. Except the minor fact that you met an officer before they were "improved".
XXSketchxx Gallente Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.02.16 12:57:00 - [40] Standard belt ratting fits now require a cyno, to hot drop unsuspecting officer rats.

Caldari Citizen20090217	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:14:00 - [41] Originally by: XXSketchxx Standard belt ratting fits now require a cyno, to hot drop unsuspecting officer rats. Well, people said they wanted pve to be more like pvp. Now it is.
Ephemeron BeerTia Maniacs	Posted - 2011.02.16 19:06:00 - [42] Originally by: m3rb3aSt No actual player can fit a ship that tanks like an officer. We have a raven, tengu, two ishtars, and a drake shooting it and we are barely scratching its shields. And this is for a kaikka spawn which is one of the weakest ones. They went from being about as tough as a 1.85m sp BS to being tough enough to warrent dropping a carrier on them. If that is true, which I kind of doubt that it is, then it's a very bad change. It means that income from officers is shifted from small entities to large sov holding entities. From individuals to groups. The local alliances already completely dominate moon goo money, and partially dominate high end exploration sites. If officer hunting is taken away from the little guy, it reduces incentive for new guys to enter 0.0 I'm hoping that CCP isn't dumb enough to make that mistake, tho it wouldn't surprise me anyway, I have yet to see for myself
fanaka VMF-214 Blacksheep	Posted - 2011.02.16 19:08:00 - [43] If you live a nomadic existence in the more hostile regions of space (as some of us do), your chance to make some isk off a decent drop has reduced substantially - "if" the changes are as drastic as some people have stated. I have had 4 officer spawns in over 4 years of playing and only one was worth what I consider "big money" - and that was peanuts compared to what the plex farmers rake in weekly. For the most part belt ratting is as boring as mining and I would rather slice my ********* off with a rusty razor than dedicate my entire ingame time to it, but it is something I can do for a steady stream of crappy isk and go emergency afk if I have something that needs attending to in rl (as most of us with kids etc often have to do) If this is an anti-botting measure, which it certainly looks like, I would suggest that scrambling frigates in each belt would probably be a better counter measure to the botters and let the local real player population slowly kill off their activities rather than the usual CCP pneumatic drill/peanut response to an issue......
Airu Naari The Noxious	Posted - 2011.02.16 19:18:00 - [44] Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: m3rb3aSt No actual player can fit a ship that tanks like an officer. We have a raven, tengu, two ishtars, and a drake shooting it and we are barely scratching its shields. And this is for a kaikka spawn which is one of the weakest ones. They went from being about as tough as a 1.85m sp BS to being tough enough to warrent dropping a carrier on them. If that is true, which I kind of doubt that it is, then it's a very bad change. It means that income from officers is shifted from small entities to large sov holding entities. From individuals to groups. The local alliances already completely dominate moon goo money, and partially dominate high end exploration sites. If officer hunting is taken away from the little guy, it reduces incentive for new guys to enter 0.0 I'm hoping that CCP isn't dumb enough to make that mistake, tho it wouldn't surprise me anyway, I have yet to see for myself Please, keep us informed, I will believe you :) BTW, I am bitter as while doing all various stuff in the game (mostly carebearing) I trained a manticore alt with awesome skills for torps and navigatio and all that, need 3 more days til I was about to use it - and this... my last fkin skill to raise was cloaking IV, all others are V for it, does ~ 550 dps overheated. Pretty nice for a 50m sig radius ship that flies at ~800M/S. Was going to kill rats in guristas space with it, now I will maybe only kill dread guristas :D Was looking forward to officers.
CmdrDoughnut	Posted - 2011.02.16 20:24:00 - [45] Met an officer a few hours ago, it nearly fried a solo guy, so we got into our carriers and dropped 3 of those on top of him, still took a while to go down. Gave up 3bil in loot too. They hit very hard now, and have an unholy tank, but with heavily tanked ships and a few thousand dps one will go down in under a minute or two. This was one of the easier officers too.
Ephemeron BeerTia Maniacs	Posted - 2011.02.16 20:38:00 - [46] Originally by: CmdrDoughnut Met an officer a few hours ago, it nearly fried a solo guy, so we got into our carriers and dropped 3 of those on top of him, still took a while to go down. Gave up 3bil in loot too. They hit very hard now, and have an unholy tank, but with heavily tanked ships and a few thousand dps one will go down in under a minute or two. This was one of the easier officers too. This is starting to look very disappointing. Another nail in the coffin of solo play and small gang PvP Officer hunting was my main source of income. Over the years I got about 50 of them. If I can never kill another officer again, this game becomes more pointless to me. I don't, and never will, have carriers or 5+ gangs at my disposal. I really hate CCP, they always **** things up All the things I loved about this game are killed off one after another
Medianaa	Posted - 2011.02.16 20:51:00 - [47] I suppose CCP will be changing the name of this game from EVE Online to Capital Ships Online with this change (along with previous supcap changes).
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.02.16 21:05:00 - [48] errr you guys realise that 3 gank BS will do just as well as 3 carriers? They just using capships to reduce chance of poppage Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Airu Naari The Noxious	Posted - 2011.02.16 21:08:00 - [49] Edited by: Airu Naari on 16/02/2011 21:17:43 Edited by: Airu Naari on 16/02/2011 21:10:36 The whole point behind doing this is making people train for caps, trade cap chars, where CCP profits. Capss cost more ISK, thus makes people trade their toons/PLEX/devote their life even more to this game. With those transactions for char trading and PLEX purchase for market sale they win big $$$. It's always about money. There is no casual EVE online anymore (well there IS, but it's even suckier :D). When I was playing back in 2005. it was much different. But, who am I to say something is wrong or right, I just know what suits me and what doesn't. I'll have to adapt.. pfft.. edit: I realize my post probably sounds a big too gay and whiney, but IDC!
Wombat942	Posted - 2011.02.16 22:21:00 - [50] I could definitely see a big increase towards the DPS that officers do but the tank that they have is absurd. Its like the equivalent of a deadspace fit marauder that doesn't run out of cap ever and is immune to most EWAR...

Rex Nixon	Posted - 2011.02.16 22:47:00 - [51] what's weird is that one dude said he managed to kill it with a golem, others said 2 ishtars and maelstrom couldn't kill it, then we have 3 carriers (ok just for safety sake) .. but fraps it ffs! anyway... CCP work on this a bit more, re think what you did!
Ganthrithor Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.16 23:08:00 - [52] Originally by: Ephemeron This is starting to look very disappointing. Another nail in the coffin of solo play and small gang PvP Officer hunting was my main source of income. Over the years I got about 50 of them. If I can never kill another officer again, this game becomes more pointless to me. I don't, and never will, have carriers or 5+ gangs at my disposal. I really hate CCP, they always ** things up All the things I loved about this game are killed off one after another I feel your pain. I, too, have spent much of my eve career deployed to one hostile region or another. Sneaking off to some side system to rat is pretty much the only way to make any money while deployed, and the chance of getting an officer was the only thing that made ratting somewhat worthwhile. What this is is a buff to the super rich who can afford to drop caps / supercaps on the new officers (already our forum is full of "officer killing services" run by the megarich who are offering to kill officers for a "mere" 50% of the drop value) and a buff to anomaly running (better money than belt ratting, scales better, and still has a chance to escalate to a 10/10) and L4 mission botting (probably the best way to make money in EVE). CCP are simultaneously nerfing the income available to nomads, *king over newer players who can't afford an army of carrier alts or fly ships capable of tanking anomalies, and buffing the two methods of NPCing that are hardest to disrupt with roaming gangs. All in all, a fantastic idea.
Gaius BaItar Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.02.17 00:10:00 - [53] So, you believe me now Imagine getting scrammed by such a behemoth. Good thing is, I always stay at range when ratting, I wouldn't know if officers scram or not. But they sure hurt like hell. Anyways, it's more fun now.
Fkn Arson 0ne Percent.	Posted - 2011.02.17 00:20:00 - [54] Edited by: Fkn Arson on 17/02/2011 00:20:03 Originally by: Ephemeron This is starting to look very disappointing. Another nail in the coffin of solo play and small gang PvP. What?
Ephemeron BeerTia Maniacs	Posted - 2011.02.17 00:26:00 - [55] Originally by: Fkn Arson Edited by: Fkn Arson on 17/02/2011 00:20:03 Originally by: Ephemeron This is starting to look very disappointing. Another nail in the coffin of solo play and small gang PvP. What? Because I hunt officers in pvp setups, I'm able to engage people as I roam around. It means I can look for things to kill while at same time funding my activity with rare loot. Other people do it too, it's a whole way of life for some roamers.
Gaius BaItar Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.02.17 00:30:00 - [56] ^^ Same here. It's common practice for pvp oriented people.
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.02.17 01:17:00 - [57] Mebbe I wasn't clear. Just because you can use caps to hunt officers, doesn't mean you should and certainly doesn't mean you need to. By the logic of the knuckleheads in this thread, a titan will oneshot an officer, therefore you cannot hunt officer spawns without a titan. Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Airu Naari The Noxious	Posted - 2011.02.17 02:13:00 - [58] I feel your pain. I, too, have spent much of my eve career deployed to one hostile region or another. Sneaking off to some side system to rat is pretty much the only way to make any money while deployed, and the chance of getting an officer was the only thing that made ratting somewhat worthwhile. What this is is a buff to the super rich who can afford to drop caps / supercaps on the new officers (already our forum is full of "officer killing services" run by the megarich who are offering to kill officers for a "mere" 50% of the drop value) and a buff to anomaly running (better money than belt ratting, scales better, and still has a chance to escalate to a 10/10) and L4 mission botting (probably the best way to make money in EVE). CCP are simultaneously nerfing the income available to nomads, *king over newer players who can't afford an army of carrier alts or fly ships capable of tanking anomalies, and buffing the two methods of NPCing that are hardest to disrupt with roaming gangs. All in all, a fantastic idea. e: before someone posts about it, anomaly running is hard to do much about because it generally takes place in systems that are densely populated with hostiles (station systems where if you go for a ratter you have very little time to kill him before 20 of his friends show up). This makes it difficult to kill anything unless you are able to drop them with a blackops bridge / drop gang or titan bridge onto them (usually impossible due to jammers). There are a few reasons for this: if you are running around solo, you don't have the DPS to kill a ratter before people bail him out. If you have a gang big enough to kill the ratter quickly, its hard to get near the anomaly running system without being reported in intel. If you try and AFK a medium-sized group in the ratting system, people are usually unwilling to rat due to the large number of hostiles in local. L4 mission running, of course, is by far the safest and most reliable way to make isk (you can do it in the safety of highsec on a neutral character at basically zero risk as long as you don't roll around in some ****ed officer fit marauder). e2: the really funny part is that they're doing this while basically requiring players to grind up isk for supercapitals if they want to stay in 0.0, since normal caps are now nothing but flying coffins that get the privilege of shooting undefended sov structures and dying the second a hotdrop happens and subcaps are literally useless in the kind of lag that occurs during modern fleet fights since weapons refuse to cycle properly and DDs / fighters become the only usable weapons systems. Dear players: please proceed to grind up between 20 and 60 billion isk for your supercaps. By the way, we're taking all the profit out of moon mining (with the exception of Tech, which is 100% nationalized) and reactions and nerfing ratting. Have fun playing our super enjoyable game. Love, CCP. I love how you think and how you've written this. I used to play from 2005-mid2008 quite actively, then I gave my char to a friend that later sold it blabla. SO i decided to get back into the game and trained up a few chars, made money, sold the chars ot buy better ones and so on, but I don't like where the game is going... I mean there's already so many things that can kill my fun like those highsec pirates that blow nightmares up on a regular basis when they go on a spree, to lag if you want to participate in something big, I mean there is TONS of stuff, and now, after 8 years CCP decided to make such changes. It's just one thing, but for me it means a lot... if they reverted it, that would be something, maybe we should make a petition.
mkmin	Posted - 2011.02.17 03:40:00 - [59] First, since when has an online petition ever actually affected everything. Second, Officer loot is worth how many billions? Officers should be as hard to kill as the kind of ship that would fit it's modules, i.e., carriers, super carriers, titans. Third, I guess your bots broke?
Airu Naari The Noxious	Posted - 2011.02.17 03:42:00 - [60] Originally by: mkmin First, since when has an online petition ever actually affected everything. Second, Officer loot is worth how many billions? Officers should be as hard to kill as the kind of ship that would fit it's modules, i.e., carriers, super carriers, titans. Third, I guess your bots broke? It doesn't even have to change anything, it could serve to see how many people actually want it back to how it was for years. And no, I don't even know where to get those bots, I only got one officer a long long time ago, Draclira. In a Dominix, now I am back to the game and thought I could try hunt some but it doesn't matter. Same as the petition, explaining is useless.

achura zakone	Posted - 2011.02.17 11:20:00 - [61] first day after the patch one corp mate was ratting in a vaga. found brokara and died in 3 seconds. he was pointed and neuted. took 2 mach's and vaga and a drake to take her down. second vaga had to warp away in hull after second hit. i dont want to imagine how chelm is tanking and hitting. for those guys complaining that they found 1 officer in 4 years.... you're doing it wrong. i got brokara twice in a week and in the same day with this new patch my corp mates got brokara and selynne. another guy even got 2 officer spawns 2 hours away from each other in the same system and the funny part is that system has only one belt - guys in venal knows prolly which one.
monkfish1234 Caldari Attempted Ninjury 0ccupational Hazzard	Posted - 2011.02.17 12:20:00 - [62] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: monkfish1234 officer rats are still pretty easy as long as your in a ship that can tank triple bs from belts. I killed kaikka in a myrm a few days ago, bigger issue was having the dps to kill it rather than tanking it's damage, but 5 hammerhead 2's got me there in the end. Except the minor fact that you met an officer before they were "improved". unless they were improved in incursion 1.2 the no it was after the supposed improvement. and yes he was still easy to kill. here is the ship i was in. ------------------------------------------------ Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels.StevieSG
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.02.17 12:33:00 - [63] Heh, weak tank on this ship yeah but still. -
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.17 12:55:00 - [64] A question: the guys that have fought the 2new" officers have checked the kind of damage they do and the resistance holes or they have kept to the principle "they are of faction X, so they do A and B damage and are weak against A damage"? The easiest and more logic way to boost them would have been to give them more or less uniform resistances and variable damage in the form of missiles or variable ammunitions for autocannons.
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2011.02.17 13:11:00 - [65] Originally by: monkfish1234 unless they were improved in incursion 1.2 Yes.
Saarinn	Posted - 2011.02.17 16:00:00 - [66] Just took down brokara but lost a cane and an ishtar in the process. he neuts up to 50k now, switches targets about every 30 seconds or so. were able to finally finish him with an ishtar and 2 rr tengus. Best thing to do would be keep range it seems, my sleeper tank tengu went down to 50% shield since brokara turned my hardeners off with his neut. But was able to get the other tengu close enough to rep. I did notice that he had a hell of a shield tank not so much armor and then structure took a while.
KWyz	Posted - 2011.02.17 16:38:00 - [67] I do believe the people that complain about not being able to solo an officer spawn anymore, i'm sure there's plenty of REAL persons who actually rat for the love of it( I used to play Diablo 2, where one of my favourite activities was fishing for items - the same thing bots did). So please don't take offense when I imagine this scenario: some NPC with his ship fit like DHB Wildcat in his days of glory videos, laughing maniacally as he pops ratters one after the other, until the only way to take him down is hotdropping caps on his ass. Double the fun if the NPC is actually actively controlled by a GM and loves to ** up someone's so-called lucky day. I believe that this buff immediately affects botting ravens, probably to the point that the bot ends up with a script telling him to steer clear of the system with the officer in(even though logic dictates it'll just be replaced with a script where the bot sends an SMS to its owner, telling him to bring a gang :( ). If their spawn rate is increased, there's a chance this will encourage ratters to group more often, possibly encouraging small gangs? I know sometimes 0.0 feels like everyone and their distant cousin of their ant's nephew with a lovely singing voice is piloting a supercap while frothing at the mouth for kills, but i doubt many people would risk anything bigger than a carrier for such a spawn. And sincer this is Hotdrop Online, whoever brings a carrier brings the plague with him. But yeah, solo hostile ratters are pretty much **ed.And i'm not so sure I dislike that.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2011.02.17 16:42:00 - [68] i wouldnt say the risk is anywhere near the reward from the accounts so far, but its certinly better than a very slightly tougher belt rat like it has been for 7 years. good job ccp about time
Ingvar Angst Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross	Posted - 2011.02.17 17:50:00 - [69] When we see rats that passively targets ships with mining lasers active and jam their mining lasers from a distance as well as rats that carry smart bombs specifically designed to kill drones, then I'll giggle.
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.02.17 18:05:00 - [70] Originally by: Copine Callmeknau Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 16/02/2011 05:05:56 Originally by: Gaius BaItar Just found one in my tengu. I hardly scratched his shields with fury heavy missiles. Damage received was bad enough that I had to warp out. I changed ships, back in a golem. Slowly, I finally got him, but had to warp out once and wait for my shields to boost back up. That's how hard they are now. More time consuming != more difficult Until they add tackle to officer spawns, this is no more risky/difficult than a lvl 1 mish. QFT Warning Signature Detected If you need to douche, please do it at home.

Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.02.17 18:07:00 - [71] Originally by: Ganthrithor Edited by: Ganthrithor on 16/02/2011 09:43:54 Originally by: James Tiberius Kirk CCP, sleeper AI and stats on ALL rats please. Gallente players get out, amirite? e: also its gonna be p funny when you find an officer but then the spawn warps out in the time it takes you to round up the four other people necessary to killaving it. What a stupid change, officers should be soloable by a well-fit BS / T3. Belt ratting is not a group activity. Having done solo sleeper sites in C3s while using drones, I say balderdash. Drones ships can do sites, you just have to micromanage the drones, and you know what? you lose some, just as you expend hybrid ammo, or shoot missiles. It is the cost of doing business. Can you launch a flight of heavies and do fine solo? No not really, but find me a solo fight where you can. In a fleet of two ships, you can much easier launch those heavies with a lot less trouble. Warning Signature Detected If you need to douche, please do it at home.
Ephemeron BeerTia Maniacs	Posted - 2011.02.17 19:04:00 - [72] so it seems to be true. I will never be able to kill another officer spawn again. After years of officer hunting, making billions in loot and spending it on faction fitted bs and t3 ships to be used for solo PvP, it's all over. I can never be what I was again. Now I got the option of joining some big alliance and becoming an obedient soldier or continuing poor and meaningless existence as obsolete solo pvper. I tried enjoying this game despite all the **** CCP does to it, but they just don't stop. Maybe it's time to move on
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2011.02.17 19:46:00 - [73] Originally by: Ephemeron so it seems to be true. I will never be able to kill another officer spawn again. After years of officer hunting, making billions in loot and spending it on faction fitted bs and t3 ships to be used for solo PvP, it's all over. I can never be what I was again. Now I got the option of joining some big alliance and becoming an obedient soldier or continuing poor and meaningless existence as obsolete solo pvper. I tried enjoying this game despite all the **** CCP does to it, but they just don't stop. Maybe it's time to move on Stop playing to earn money, and start playing to hurt people. Eve gets way more fun.
Airu Naari The Noxious	Posted - 2011.02.17 19:47:00 - [74] Edited by: Airu Naari on 17/02/2011 19:47:22 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Originally by: Ephemeron so it seems to be true. I will never be able to kill another officer spawn again. After years of officer hunting, making billions in loot and spending it on faction fitted bs and t3 ships to be used for solo PvP, it's all over. I can never be what I was again. Now I got the option of joining some big alliance and becoming an obedient soldier or continuing poor and meaningless existence as obsolete solo pvper. I tried enjoying this game despite all the **** CCP does to it, but they just don't stop. Maybe it's time to move on Stop playing to earn money, and start playing to hurt people. Eve gets way more fun. I think he was playing to make money so he would be able to hurt people with style, with faction/deadspace modules fitted on his pvp vessels :D
36 Degrees Pee. Pee	Posted - 2011.02.19 12:15:00 - [75] Edited by: 36 Degrees on 19/02/2011 12:36:45 [ 2011.02.19 12:02:49 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Scourge Fury Heavy Missile hits Guristas Obliterator, doing 1013.8 damage. [ 2011.02.19 12:02:30 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Juggernaut Torpedo belonging to Guristas hits you, doing 12.0 damage. [ 2011.02.19 11:58:48 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Scourge Fury Heavy Missile hits Kaikka Peunato, doing 223.4 damage. [ 2011.02.19 12:05:23 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Dread Guristas Wrath Cruise Missile belonging to Guristas hits you, doing 155.6 damage. Summary Could tank Kaikka ok from 60km away (tengu 92%kin 80%therm resists)Could hardly make the slightest dent in his shield. EDIT:- Realised I had some EM missiles on me so went back to test them, 12:34:35 Combat Your group of Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile hits Kaikka Peunato, doing 378.0 damage. So EM doing more damage but still hardly denting his shields
Eribisius	Posted - 2011.02.19 16:04:00 - [76] Originally by: Kitty McKitty You can still solo them. WTF is up with your neck? No seriously, was there some genetic tampering or what? Or are you the love child of Mr. Fantastic and one of those bendable, flexible, poseable chinese acrobats? Seriously, it's starting to creep me the f*ck out!
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2011.02.19 16:37:00 - [77] Edited by: Pan Crastus on 19/02/2011 16:37:15 Originally by: Lt Angus took me 3 years to find 1 and they want to make it harder I've been playing on/off since 2003 on 2 chars and the closest I got to killing one was someone in the same alliance getting killed by roamers in the system I was in with an officer on the killmail ... How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Illectroculus Defined Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation	Posted - 2011.02.19 21:07:00 - [78] Well I can say I wholeheartedly approve. Now we just need the similar changes to all faction belt rats, give em sleeper AI, make them work with the other rats in their spawn and either give them scrams, or make them smart enough to warp out when they're in structure. In the past I've been lucky enough to go AFK while mining and return to find that my drones have killed a Shadow Serpentis frigate and now have a fancy pirate implant that's worth more than all the ore I would mine. This shouldn't happen, at the very least it should leave before it dies, and if it's got enough firepower it should kill my drones and then me. Vote Illectro for CSM6! Supporting the New Generation of Eve Players
Scuttle Bunny Amarr	Posted - 2011.03.04 18:03:00 - [79] any stats on them yet, wud a single tengu given enuf time be able to break their tanks? on to the next comment -----------------------------------------------------------------> ....where's the down arrow?? --------------------->>>>>
Femaref Armageddon Day WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2011.03.04 18:12:00 - [80] Originally by: Scuttle Bunny any stats on them yet, wud a single tengu given enuf time be able to break their tanks? No. Encountered Tobias yesterday - 4900 damage @ 70km on cynabal mwd on no transversal, 4300 damage @ 70 mwd off high transversal, 3500 damage @ 170km mwd off high transversal. Took U'K two sleipnirs and a scimitar to kill it, the scimitar had to warp once which forced one of the sleipnirs to warp as well - total time 10 minutes. have fun with your solo tengu.

Scuttle Bunny Amarr	Posted - 2011.03.04 18:26:00 - [81] oh, that sucks, damn u ccp on to the next comment -----------------------------------------------------------------> ....where's the down arrow?? --------------------->>>>>
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2011.03.04 18:35:00 - [82] Bots cant kill officers now. FU CCP
FlameGlow Gypsy Band	Posted - 2011.03.04 18:56:00 - [83] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Bots cant kill officers now. FU CCP they'll just fit cynos on all them ravens and have a carrier bot on standby
Femaref Armageddon Day WE FORM VOLTRON	Posted - 2011.03.04 19:06:00 - [84] Originally by: FlameGlow Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Bots cant kill officers now. FU CCP they'll just fit cynos on all them ravens and have a carrier bot on standby You are laughing, I see that as a real possibility.
Jason Edwards Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.03.04 23:05:00 - [85] Ya so I got tuvan. Tuvan killed a raven, 2 drakes, and a cane before hitting my like 2000dps passive shield ishtar. Then consider the loot tables... tuvan has only 3 good modules out of the like 20 tuvan modules. Because frankly X-type stuff is better. Moreover, NO TUVAN MODULES EVEN DROPPED. So they have tons of dps where you pretty much have to have 1 of like 3 passive shield tanking ships in order not to die or a capital ship. So 9/10 legit ratters are newbs who cant do the good anoms. 1/10 are the ratters who ratted for the chance of officers. So literally here's what has happened. The 9/10 legit ratters are just going to avoid the **** out of officers. The 1/10 those looking for officers cant solo anymore really... so they have all gone to exploring for complexes. Bots took some time to adapt. Apparently they autodetect and avoid officers and like convo or evemail the owner of the bot. Who is rich from botting and they drop a nyx on the officer. In the end. Supply is going dry and when the giant supplies clean up. Eventually the only people really making any isk from officers will be bots. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe.
Ephemeron Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.03.04 23:39:00 - [86] I had 2 officers since the patch and talked to someone who had Estamel The Estamel was killed with stealth bomber + Ishtar combo. I killed my officers with Damnation + Kronos combo, which was overkill Basically, officers can be killed with 2 people, especially if 1 of them is buffer tanking battlecruiser or less. The trick is to get right on top of it first, as at close range with some traverse, the officer damage is reduced significantly. Cap injector is pretty much a must if you got active tank and weapons. Officer does about 1200 damage and uses 3 heavy neuts, with long range web. Officer tank is maybe 500, so with 800 dps it can be broken (with 2 ships that 400 dps each, which is reasonable). Officers don't warp scramble, so as long as you stay aligned you can always escape safely. Only stupid people will lose a ship to an officer
Jason Edwards Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.03.05 00:01:00 - [87] Edited by: Jason Edwards on 05/03/2011 00:02:27 Originally by: monkfish1234 unless they were improved in incursion 1.2 the no it was after the supposed improvement. and yes he was still easy to kill. here is the ship i was in. Looking at that... you havent met a new officer. Every single race officer would have easily ****d that myrm. If you were in sansha space, you wouldnt be able to do any dps to the officer. If you were in bloods space, you wouldnt be able to tank. If you were in guristas space, you wouldnt be able to lock long enough to break the tank before you died. serps get into range and ur dead with so much dps they have. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe.
Airu Naari The Noxious	Posted - 2011.03.05 01:23:00 - [88] Originally by: Ephemeron I had 2 officers since the patch and talked to someone who had Estamel The Estamel was killed with stealth bomber + Ishtar combo. I killed my officers with Damnation + Kronos combo, which was overkill Basically, officers can be killed with 2 people, especially if 1 of them is buffer tanking battlecruiser or less. The trick is to get right on top of it first, as at close range with some traverse, the officer damage is reduced significantly. Cap injector is pretty much a must if you got active tank and weapons. Officer does about 1200 damage and uses 3 heavy neuts, with long range web. Officer tank is maybe 500, so with 800 dps it can be broken (with 2 ships that 400 dps each, which is reasonable). Officers don't warp scramble, so as long as you stay aligned you can always escape safely. Only stupid people will lose a ship to an officer Glad to hear you're still rollin ^^ I unfortunately only saw Kaikka, but couldn't kill him in my SB, and didn't have anyone to report it cause all of my RL friends stopped playing. So probably one of the VIRII/Morsus Mihi guys got him /cry
Five 0ne	Posted - 2011.03.05 13:00:00 - [89] Edited by: Five 0ne on 05/03/2011 13:01:40 Edited by: Five 0ne on 05/03/2011 13:01:13 so here i was ratting in my legion, when all of a sudden i land on Brokara and 4 BS escorts , my first officer, ooh goodie let`s take a screenshot or two... 10 seconds later i realise i`m at 0 cap, so had to bail fast. tried several attempts to get her, but i barely scratched her shields by the time i had to warp out. this is the damage she does , 85% EM resist, 83% thermal resist : >Brokara Ryver lightly hits you, doing 546.5 damage. >Brokara Ryver hits you, doing 764.8 damage. >Brokara Ryver aims well at you, inflicting 907.8 damage. >Paradise Cruise Missile belonging to True Power hits you, doing 10.8 damage. her neut range is at least 30km,web at least 12km range i`m wondering, are all the officers the same in terms of dps done/dps tanked/neut range? or are there "harder" ones than this? would appreciate if anyone else who encountered one would check the logs
Kogh Ayon	Posted - 2011.03.05 20:33:00 - [90] The factional spawn is still too easy. Making them harder will be nice also.

Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.03.05 22:28:00 - [91] Originally by: Ephemeron This is starting to look very disappointing. Another nail in the coffin of solo play and small gang PvP Officer hunting was my main source of income. Over the years I got about 50 of them. If I can never kill another officer again, this game becomes more pointless to me. I don't, and never will, have carriers or 5+ gangs at my disposal. I really hate CCP, they always **** things up All the things I loved about this game are killed off one after another 50! Dude... You've had more officer spawns than the rest of the entire EVE population put together! You've had your fair share! However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
benjam14 Minmatar DevilDog Brigade	Posted - 2011.04.27 05:54:00 - [92] I soloed one with a dram ^_^ [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=benjam14][/url]
Virtue Maulerant	Posted - 2011.04.27 07:33:00 - [93] If people are saying the truth,this is unbelieveable.Half the fleet going boom?Seriously.. Not to mention the new gurista jamming mechanics,you will be jammed 24/7 without substantial back up arrays. Fix officers and guristas ECM please.
Dekiri	Posted - 2011.04.27 12:42:00 - [94] Can the people who "never in their eve career have seen" an officer spawn please learn about spawn probabilities in regions ?=) I can't really stand it anymore tbh.. There are places in eve where officers are almost common... My dad can beat up your dad!
Shasz Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression	Posted - 2011.04.27 14:56:00 - [95] Necro whine thread lives! FWIW, the officers I've seen since "the change" do seem to have sleeper AI (change targets, like to pick off drones and smaller ships) and sleeper-like omni-shield tanks, they neut, they do quite a bit more damage, and I have no idea if they point you or not - I don't get that close for very long. They are soloable if you can think outside the box of "warp in, turn on tank, spam missiles". ___________________________________
VoiceInTheDesert Inroads	Posted - 2011.04.27 15:01:00 - [96] I ran into one of the lower level ones and the tank on him wasn't very good (taken down by a flight of heavy IIs, but he did switch targets between me and my logi alt). Hopefully, the higher level ones are tougher, cause what I fought would be no problem for a bot raven.


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